[HN Gopher] Thoughts on Cloudflare
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Thoughts on Cloudflare
Author : lladnar
Score : 197 points
Date : 2025-09-27 14:55 UTC (1 days ago)
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| Avamander wrote:
| > Cloudflare has become a highly attractive target for state-
| sponsored attacks, suffering from recurring breaches. Their sheer
| scale, considering that they are serving a substantial portion of
| the internet, means that an outage or compromise could have
| widespread, costly consequences.
|
| I'm unsure how much of these can actually be called "attacks"
| rather than "complying with local laws" that lets them operate in
| a lot of countries. Including hostile ones.
|
| They really don't segment customer data sufficiently to mittigate
| this either. CloudFlare even officially says that they don't
| actually enforce even Regional Services and you have to do that
| yourself as a customer. Rest of customers get even fewer
| guarantees than that.
|
| Have fun, three-letter agencies.
|
| https://developers.cloudflare.com/data-localization/limitati...
|
| > Regional Services operates on your hostname's IPs. We recommend
| using DNSSEC and/or DNS over HTTPS to ensure that DNS responses
| are secure and correct.
|
| This of course is funny considering how CloudFlare has used the
| same DNSSEC key signing key for 10 years. It also doesn't mention
| BGP hijacks or similar MITM attacks, because there's also not
| much anyone besides CloudFlare can do against that.
| WhyNotHugo wrote:
| "complying with local laws" isn't always a good thing. Here's
| some behaviours that you need to report in some countries in
| order to comply with local laws:
|
| * someone is a homosexual * someone had sex out of wedlock *
| someone is a communist * someone is right-wing * someone is a
| Muslim * someone is _not_ a Muslim * someone spoke ill of the
| current ruler * someone hosted a messaging service, and didn't
| ask users for a copy of their id
| rwmj wrote:
| Here in the real world companies have 3 choices: (1) comply
| with local laws, (2) don't operate at all in the country, or
| (3) operate in the country but ensure they have no staff
| there and never visit. Anything else is going to involve
| fines and/or prison for your executives and employees.
|
| I once interviewed at a UK gambling company that was doing
| option #3, and during the interview it was made clear that
| I'd never be able to visit the US because they were operating
| there illegally. (I declined the offer.) Some time later, it
| was in the news that one of their executives had been
| arrested and imprisoned in the US when he visited on holiday.
| (https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/another-uk-
| bettin...)
| jasonvorhe wrote:
| In which countries do you have to report someone for any of
| that? Genuinely curious. Can't think of a single country
| where any of these criteria would be a reportable offense.
| its-kostya wrote:
| Author did a surprisingly good job hanging on to all the receipts
| to support his claim "cloudflare bad." But his alternatives are
| all CDN providers - which is not even the side of the business
| that makes cloudflare unique and makes them money. The piece,
| thorough as it may be, does not offer alternatives to products
| that cover the exciting parts of their business and I was looking
| forward to seeing what those were - for example tailscale or
| Pangolin (Open source alternative to Cloudflare Tunnels) or
| equivalents for serverless/edge compute. This makes it feel as if
| the author does not _really_ understand cloudflare's
| role/position and that this article is just a collection of links
| that report of the company's (valid) imperfections. For example,
| their workers platform, DDoS protection, and software-defined
| network functions (WAN, firewall, Zero-trust, etc) have made my
| life as a developer in my last few roles very productive and
| successful. And migrating away from those services was just as
| easy as signing up.
|
| It might sound like I am defending cloudflare, but I am not. I
| share the author's concern about them becoming a monopoly that
| MITM's a lot of the Internet. But the author provides no evidence
| of to this claim. My experience has been the opposite: cloudflare
| interoperated with legacy systems and other cloud providers
| without locking us in or using anti-competitive tactics. Their
| presence often improved integration even when other vendors
| didn't reciprocate. When people flock to a service because it's
| genuinely useful rather than "can't leave Hotel California",
| that's not a monopoly -- it's market preference.
|
| That said, there is a real risk if innovation stalls or
| leadership becomes greedy. Companies that stop innovating
| sometimes resort to aggressive or extractive practices to stay
| relevant. It seems to be the trend once companies get too big to
| die - innovation stalls and their flywheel slows and they become
| desperate (or greedy) to stay relevant. I would monitor for those
| signs before I sound any alarm.
| anonymousiam wrote:
| The Internet runs at the will of the government(s). Every
| government (national, regional, local) has regulations that
| must be obeyed. Depending upon where you live, some of those
| regulations may be kept secret from those most affected. An
| entity like Cloudflare is a juicy target that can be used
| cooperatively, or abused uncooperatively by those enforcing the
| regulations.
|
| So Cloudflare has solved one problem (DDoS), while creating
| several new ones, which most people feel is a fair trade, but
| it's not a prefect world and there is no perfect solution.
| Canada wrote:
| They already do this for Chinese traffic. They send traffic
| from China to Alibaba controlled infrastructure.
|
| Think about the consequences of that. Anyone who connects to
| your site from China is MITM by Alibaba.
|
| And I would not be surprised if they were abusing their
| middlebox position to do all kinds of surveillance based on
| secret "warrants" in other places.
| gruez wrote:
| >Think about the consequences of that. Anyone who connects
| to your site from China is MITM by Alibaba.
|
| Source? AFAIK their China product is entirely separate and
| you need to specifically sign up for it. AWS/Azure have
| similar arrangements in China but you wouldn't say the
| Cloudfront users are getting MITMed by the CCP.
| Canada wrote:
| I noticed this years ago while in China. I saw someone at
| a bar with a laptop out using my web site. I went and
| chatted him up, and I noticed a different TLS
| certificate, I don't recall if he moused over the lock
| icon or if his browser, or back then when browsers showed
| the issuer in the address bar. Freaked me out.
|
| Apparently it's JD Cloud now. Or maybe it was the, and I
| don't recall correctly.
|
| Our company did not do any configuration to enable this
| behavior. This was in 2017.
|
| AWS was a completely separate entity in China at the
| time. Fully backdoored of course. Opening an account
| there required a local company.
|
| With Cloudflare, they were straight up MITM our site
| which had nothing to do with China at all.
| Wowfunhappy wrote:
| Isn't anyone who connects from China getting MITM'd by the
| great firewall anyway?
| Canada wrote:
| No, it just blocks you.
| o1o1o1 wrote:
| Exactly this - CDN is the one thing I don't use Cloudflare for.
|
| As a web developer, I love how effortless it is to spin up a
| static site for free using their Pages or Workers features.
| Sure, I could rent a small server or even host projects on a
| home setup, but often I just want something simple, fast, and
| hassle-free - and Cloudflare delivers that at zero cost.
|
| Has this convenience led me to spend money with them?
| Absolutely. These days I even rely on Cloudflare for DNS
| management, simply because their interface and overall
| experience are far better than what I was using before I found
| them.
|
| That said, I'm not here to defend the company uncritically. I
| recognize the valid concerns and criticisms that exist. But no
| platform is without flaws, and in some situations I simply
| can't -- or don't want to -- prioritize the idealistic view.
| Sometimes I just want to experiment and build, and Cloudflare
| makes that easy.
| csomar wrote:
| I am using Cloudflare as a back-end and only using workers (can
| disable all their security, performance, caching, and whatever
| stuff they offer; which is really just a worker). The product
| (workers) is differentiated and I don't think there is any
| company/service out there that is offering an equivalent.
|
| I do not think that's the author complaint, though. I
| frequently get these cloudflare captachas and it is why I
| disabled their firewall (it's pure garbage) for my own sites.
| Cloudflare does not have any monopoly over the services you
| mentioned (workers, tunnels, images, etc.) but they do have a
| kind-of-monopoly over DNS/CDN.
| goatsi wrote:
| It's pretty disappointing that the author (writing in 2025) says
| "perhaps to maintain its status as the world's largest botnet
| operator," and links to a Spamhaus report from Q1 of 2020.[0]
|
| If you check the most recent version of the report from Spamhaus
| (Jan to June 2025)[1], Cloudflare is nowhere to be seen, and
| Digital Ocean, who they recommend as a Cloudflare alternative is
| listed as third largest botnet host in the world.
|
| Looking back through the historical reports this isn't a new
| phenomenon, in Q4 of 2022 Digital Ocean was ranked #2 and
| Cloudflare was down at #17.
|
| [0]https://www.spamhaus.org/resource-hub/botnet-c-c/botnet-
| thre...
|
| [1]https://www.spamhaus.org/resource-hub/botnet-c-c/botnet-
| thre...
| simultsop wrote:
| It is sad. The post could be a paragraph of basically ending
| with negative attributes of oligo and mono polies. Which are
| what should be evaded.
|
| Other than that, alternatives do not go far as cloudflare does.
| If you experience a heavy DDOS, either you bankrupt with a
| large invoice or you suffer heavy outage.
|
| I do not understand why this primary service misses to be
| listed. Nobody in the planet offers DDOS free, especially to
| news agencies at their difficult times.
| darkwater wrote:
| Yes, I agree. The anti-monopolistic spirit of the post is good
| but when you read sentences like that or recommending "major
| cloud services" as an alternative, well, it starts to smell
| like a hit piece.
| ksec wrote:
| If it wasn't on HN, being upvoted by some, I wouldn't have
| clicked on the link judging from the domain name. Turns out it is
| unicode issues. I wonder if HN will ever fix it.
| dymk wrote:
| not (exactly) a unicode encoding issue, it's IDNA encoding.
| it's unicode encoded as ascii.
| dangus wrote:
| So it's an issue with HN being a trash website.
|
| A trash website that I like a lot, but still a trash website.
|
| Maybe in 20 years we'll be able to use emojis on here.
| Insanity wrote:
| I actually don't want emojis on here. I prefer the current
| "early 2000s" look. I don't see it being a good thing for
| discussions if they are littered with emojis.
|
| And we still have good old ASCII :-)
| dangus wrote:
| So when we all die and everyone on HN in the future grew
| up in a different era where all the symbols available on
| your keyboard are expected to be supported, will they
| want that early 2000s look where shit doesn't work or is
| that just an arbitrary decision based on nothing?
|
| Is YC a nostalgia-fueled organization or are they
| supposed to be investing in new technology?
| numpad0 wrote:
| Not really, it's just yet another inconclusive indication
| that absolutely nobody wants unicode for machine evaluated
| strings.
| bombcar wrote:
| We can use emojis, just higher class ones.
| throwaway-0001 wrote:
| Test [?]
| tfsh wrote:
| This is a punny code, and I'm fine - if not happy - that HN
| doesn't choose to render their underlying unicode symbols.
| It's very easy to spoof URLs this way, e.g. using a symbol
| from another language to craft a look-alike URL that can
| match a reputable site.
|
| Browsers like now Chrome try and alert you if the URL
| visually looks spoofed (because they do support unicode
| symbols in the omnibox), but I'm yet to see how well this
| holds up in production.
|
| And I hope in even 20 years we still can't use emojis here,
| our language isn't so pitiful that we must regress to
| brightly coloured symbols.
| dangus wrote:
| Basically what you're saying is that other people
| (including all major browsers) have solved the problem
| rather than spitting out the underlying punycode which is
| human-unreadable and is at the expense of domains in
| languages that don't use the Latin alphabet.
|
| I imagine this issue is easily solved by everyone else
| but it's just kind of accepted on one of the most popular
| tech industry message boards run by one of the most
| successful incubators/investment firms of all time who
| certainly has the money to make the experience less
| ancient.
| tfsh wrote:
| The author has a post about this; https://xn--
| gckvb8fzb.com/never-click-on-a-link-that-looks-l...
| isodev wrote:
| One shouldn't judge a domain by its codepage ;-)
| naet wrote:
| I once had to migrate a good number of web properties off of
| Cloudflare for a client. They were an agency that had used it as
| a go-to for many years and many clients, until the CEO of the
| company stated publicly that they would no longer use cloudflare
| as a political thing (there had been a news story that Cloudflare
| was providing ddos protection for some Nazi websites and refused
| to take them down, or something similar enough).
|
| My takeaway was basically that people use Cloudflare a lot
| because it is a strong service with a ton to offer at a very low
| price point. It's a bit like gmail - just very convenient and
| offers a lot for free or very cheap. Switching at that scale made
| a significant increase in their monthly bill.
|
| I do applaud people who go out of their way to create
| alternatives to major services like cloudflare, gmail, chrome,
| etc. As an individual it can be hard to do though, or at least
| not always the path of least resistance.
| phantomathkg wrote:
| Maybe it is me, but I wouldn't take whatever advice provided by
| someone who is only known by pseudonym.
| devmor wrote:
| What a silly thing to say in an era where anonymity is under
| constant attack by forces that want to harm us all.
| noman-land wrote:
| What's your name?
| isodev wrote:
| Very good post. Cloudflare is continuously adding services to
| their cloud offerings (the latest being Email delivery) in a
| familiar pattern of "let's make it impossible to switch".
| reassess_blind wrote:
| I don't see a problem with a company continuing to make useful
| products. Email delivery was a pretty logical next step for
| Cloudflare.
| kuschkufan wrote:
| relevant username
| kaoD wrote:
| Non-sequitur. Op comment is not criticizing that they offer
| another product, but that they offer another proprietary
| product that furthers locks you into their ecosystem.
| afiori wrote:
| The problem is that globally the concepts of monopolies being
| bad and antitrust regulations being good have in practice
| left the current zeitgeist
| kaoD wrote:
| I'm currently on my Nth run of:
|
| - I want to deploy a tiny service for personal use
|
| - That has occasional requests (think ~10 a day)
|
| - Needs to respond to a few daily events: a CRON job here and
| there, read an email, webhooks... Think a simpler Zapier
|
| In principle this would be perfect for any of the _many_ cloud
| function providers.
|
| But AFAIK all of them have this vendor lock-in built into their
| business model and I just refuse to cave in.
|
| Is there anything that I can do to not lock myself into an
| edge-computing ecosystem (or whatever this is called in the
| provider of choice) and still get the benefits? Is there any
| provider that supports any standard that is not tied
| specifically to their offering?
| rfv6723 wrote:
| Write a dockerfile and pay for a PaaS service.
| isodev wrote:
| BunnyCDN's edge functions are more-or-less standard Deno
| handlers [0], if that can count as "standard". But generally
| edge functions means the runtime is given by the provider and
| so we don't really have a standard for that.
|
| You could try to implement your logic in a WASI-compatible
| web assembly script - then things like I/O etc are abstracted
| and "standardised" (and then you can write it in whatever
| language makes you happy, though Rust will be the happy path
| in terms of ecosystem).
|
| If you're into self-hosting, you can try Coolify - they take
| care of the Docker stuff and support all kinds services
| https://coolify.io/docs/services/overview (including plain
| Docker/compose deployments). So with this you could probably
| find a way to own it completely.
|
| [0] https://bunny.net/edge-scripting/
| sergsoares wrote:
| Some Cloud functions like lambda support OCI container as a
| runtime target for example.
|
| I understand that feeling but can be hard a provider that
| fill all that requirements without a expensive cost.
|
| Integrate with the edge computing is part of the price you
| pay for all the conveniences like automatic builds, Cron and
| public reachable endpoints (and some of them almost free).
|
| A minimal VPS with linux is always an alternative.
| miyuru wrote:
| I use cloudflare on my sites because my servers does not have
| IPv4.
|
| If the all the ISPs can get the their networking knowledge up-to-
| date I can remove it.
|
| I have set the protection level to the lowest setting to not
| trigger unnecessary capatchs.
| ancarda wrote:
| We're slowly making progress. We're almost at 50% IPv6
| worldwide traffic to Google:
| https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
|
| Depending on what country you're in and what your traffic
| patterns look like, it might be higher. Some countries are >70%
| IPv6 traffic to Google.
|
| Do you ever check your access logs to see when you're ready to
| go IPv6 only?
| Canada wrote:
| What we really need is more IPV6 deployment so normal people can
| have plenty of routable addresses and we can go back to hosting
| more things on the edges like we used to, on computers we
| physically control.
|
| There are plenty of applications where the bandwidth of PON fiber
| commonly deployed to homes is more than sufficient, and the extra
| latency is irrelevant.
|
| Sure, it may be susceptible to DDoS attack, but if tens of
| millions of people were running personal and business systems
| from home it's debatable this would be less resistant than having
| a few centralized companies own us all.
| itake wrote:
| Running a server from "home" (or an office) I think is too
| expensive for most businesses. Paying for battery backups,
| duplicate internet providers, diy NOC, is just too much,
| especially for small side projects where the goal is publish
| blogs or write code, not side-hustle SRE
| mystifyingpoi wrote:
| What if I told you, that you don't need battery backups, that
| one ISP is enough, that you don't need 24/7 network team to
| plug a cable from your tower server to a router, in order to
| host a mid-size SAAS from the office tower server?
|
| Get real guys.
| itake wrote:
| It's not for me, but my paying customers. I guess I could
| ask them if they are ok if the service goes down when
| Florida has a hurricane
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Get real guys._
|
| I had a PHB who didn't like that our web site went offline
| for 30 seconds each week.
|
| I explained to her that the alternative would require
| $200,000 and six new employees.
|
| She hasn't brought it up since.
|
| Very few web sites are "mission critical." Even Facebook
| could go offline for a few seconds a week and nobody would
| care or notice.
| Canada wrote:
| I'm imagining a future where the software is local first and
| does a lot of operations peer to peer rather than trying to
| host large scale centralized web apps that dominate today.
|
| We really don't need huge data centers hosting our notes and
| discussion forms and spreadsheets in order to make these
| things collaborative.
|
| It would be A LOT easier to make that work if the internet
| was end to end by default again.
| skybrian wrote:
| You're basically asking people to go defenseless under the
| theory that "they can't catch all of us," like a school of
| fish.
|
| I don't think that works. Internet attacks can be automated.
| Businesses need real defenses.
| Canada wrote:
| Yeah, I agree with your characterization of what I'm
| suggesting.
|
| Right now, we are like a school of fish who are already
| living inside the nets of a handful of hyperscalers who don't
| have much reason to treat us well.
|
| We might as well take our chances in the open ocean.
|
| With the exception of DDoS attacks we can protect ourselves
| through continuous improvement of our software and protocols.
| The sooner we take responsibility for doing that the better
| off we will be.
|
| And even the DDoS attacks we can mitigate with replication
| and secret backend links via second ISP/mobile.
| skybrian wrote:
| > We might as well take our chances in the open ocean.
|
| Seems like it depends on what vendor you use and what
| services you're buying from them? It's an assumption that's
| hard to prove.
| drake99 wrote:
| xn--gckvb8fzb.com whats this ?
| blacktulip wrote:
| mariusu.com
| MattJ100 wrote:
| It's the ASCII encoding of a Unicode domain name:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_nam...
| lloeki wrote:
| Tangential nitpick: I wish HN would display the punycode IDN in
| the submission URL as the intended mariusu.com
|
| I mean, I understand the opportunity for abuse, but if it
| displays fine as UTF8 in comments in the previous sentence it
| might make sense to display it correctly over there in the
| submission.
| bluelightning2k wrote:
| I really like using Cloudflare. I think durable objects are a
| great innovation for example.
| NathanFlurry wrote:
| I've been building an open-source alternative at
| https://github.com/rivet-dev-engine
|
| It's the only bit of the Cloudflare stack (afaik) that did not
| have an open-source alternative for the JS ecosystem. I built
| heavily with DO on another OSS project, but realized it was
| incredibly problematic that our customers couldn't truly self-
| host.
| scottydelta wrote:
| GitHub link says 404
| nromiun wrote:
| I actually looked at all the alternatives listed by the author.
| Here is the problem: none of them are competitive with
| Cloudflare. With Cloudflare you don't even need to provide a
| credit card, just setup with your website and it is "free" for
| lifetime.
|
| They might pressure you to switch to paid plans if you start
| getting PBs of traffic, but until that point they will deliver
| your content for free. It is a huge advantage. Specially when you
| consider the egress pricing of major cloud providers.
| deadbabe wrote:
| Cloudflare isn't perfect but people do have other options, and
| yet they come back to Cloudflare. Without Cloudflare it is more
| likely the internet would be a shittier less secure place. I
| think there are worse companies to worry about out there.
|
| Will their power only grow? Yup.
| Illniyar wrote:
| Load of bull. Every article linked in this is either wrong or
| mischaracterized.
|
| Cloudflare does not facilitate phising - it just made proxying
| and tunneling easier.
|
| The breaches and bypasses mentioned are anything but - they are
| linking to a successful mitigation of an attack as if the
| attacker got away with something of value.
|
| This entire article reeks of trying to fit the evidence to an
| agenda.
|
| Considering they couldn't find actual evidence of problems and
| had to resort to mischaracterization this is actually a great
| reason to use Cloudflare.
| TkTech wrote:
| I've reported blatant phishing attacks targeting seniors dozens
| of times to cloudflare (and so far it's always been cloudflare)
| and never once have they replied with anything except "we could
| not determine this was phishi g". They absolutely facilitate
| phishing through inaction.
| Thorrez wrote:
| I reported a phishing site to them in 2013. They responded
| "Access to the submitted phishing URL(s) has been
| restricted."
| peanut-walrus wrote:
| Not my experience at all. We've reported hundreds if not
| thousands of sites and with few exceptions they have taken
| them down swiftly. Definitely one of the best cloud operators
| when it comes to this.
| TkTech wrote:
| As recently as August 8th, I reported a phishing site
| targeting seniors into installing a pre-configured Atera
| client (who _also_ failed to respond in a reasonable time)
| by pretending to be an event invite. It was blatant and
| obvious phishing. This was the response:
|
| ---
|
| Hello,
|
| Cloudflare received your Phishing report regarding: ----
|
| We are unable to process your report for the following
| reason(s):
|
| We were unable to confirm phishing at the URL(s) provided.
|
| Please be aware Cloudflare offers network service solutions
| including pass-through security services, a content
| distribution network (CDN) and registrar services. Due to
| the pass-through nature of our services, our IP addresses
| appear in WHOIS and DNS records for websites using
| Cloudflare. Cloudflare cannot remove material from the
| Internet that is hosted by others.
|
| Please reply to this message, keeping the report
| identification number in the subject line intact, with the
| required information.
|
| To respond to this issue, please reply to
| abusereply@cloudflare.com.
|
| Thanks, The Cloudflare Team.
|
| ---
|
| This is the typical response for me from Cloudflare - it
| took 2 more weeks before it was finally taken down. If I
| had to hazard a guess, your high volume of reports gets you
| into a very different support bucket than the occasional
| reporter.
| twisteriffic wrote:
| My most recent experience was terrible for two reasons:
|
| 1. They didn't take down an obvious banking scam site that
| was hiding behind their service
|
| 2. They forwarded my "report phishing content" submission,
| including contact information, to the scammer, resulting in
| a roughly 100x increase in the amount of spam I receive and
| ensuring that I won't ever use their reporting function
| again
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| I dislike how Cloudflare wants to do everything the Cloudflare
| way. A lot of their services are legit good and insanely cheap
| though, and containers have the potential to be a game changer
| that takes them from occasionally useful to the backbone of your
| cloud.
| jockm wrote:
| Help me understand your point better. How do you want the
| services to work? Is there some standard you are advocating
| for, or for them to mimic existing services, or what?
| doublerabbit wrote:
| By not harshly penalizing those who legitimately use VPN's,
| proxies?
|
| I'm using FreeBSD - This is on the hit list
|
| I'm using Waterfox - This is on the hit list
|
| I'm using my colocated server for a VPN from a reputable
| provider - This is on the hit list
|
| I eliminate the last two and suffer with my ADSL. My ADSL
| isn't a standard domestic provider so I'm hit with that too
| for using an alternative provider. I am still being penalized
| for using FreeBSD.
|
| Every page I encounter that uses Cloudflare ends up with a
| captcha. Why isn't there a way to verify myself that I am an
| actual legit person? I've clicked the captcha enough times,
| why does it have to be every single time?
|
| Why can't I whitelist my IP?
|
| If this is truly the only way to restrict bad actors, then
| it's pathetic. Am I'm going to be hit for using Xorg and not
| Wayland in the future? Their "bot" protection technology is
| years out of date.
|
| I don't like that Cloudflare has total control on how I can
| see the internet. I don't need any of their services, I don't
| want any of their services and others may praise them but to
| me not required.
|
| This may of worked five years ago, but like cookie banners,
| it doesn't work now. Yet they wish to spin up new modern
| services and neglect the old that actually made Cloudflare
| and not some power-hungry MiTM service. That's what it feels
| like but not that they will listen. I hate the fact that any
| point they can just go full anal and force you to X.
|
| The internet is suppose to have some sort of freedom, it's
| less than freedom. Using the internet now is like an animal
| in a cage. Heck, I would even register an account with
| Cloudflare if it allowed me to verify legitimacy.
| jbrooks84 wrote:
| I truly think all the post they do on stopping an even larger
| DDOS, is them just paying a DDOS service or making the DDOS
| themselves
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