[HN Gopher] Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW
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Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW
Author : debrisapron
Score : 65 points
Date : 2025-09-26 17:17 UTC (5 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (suno.com)
| thesparks wrote:
| v5 is really good. I can't believe how much progress Suno has
| made in such a short time.
| Jordan-117 wrote:
| I don't understand why their vocals are still so bad, though.
| They always have this tinny, synthy vibe that's very
| noticeable.
| jjangkke wrote:
| it doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of Suno 5's output and
| enough for me to pay for it now.
|
| Suno 6 should solve those issues.
| recursive wrote:
| I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up
| against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features.
| Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part"
| button sounds like a lot.
| lomase wrote:
| The people using Sunno AI don't care about writing or mixing
| music.
|
| They don't need the same feature list.
| recursive wrote:
| The video seems to be trying to convince me that this is
| totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe
| that's how their target users imagine themselves?
| themotherhucker wrote:
| As an actual musician who doesn't have any troubles
| creating my own melodies and timbres (both generated and
| 'manually' created), its very obviously not targeted at
| someone like me.
|
| It seems similar to a Garage Band type of software, aiming
| to entice people with little audio production experience
| and give them an interesting sounding snippet they can play
| back to friends.
|
| For example, the only actual audio editing they displayed
| was slicing and re-pitching (you can't even choose the
| time-stretch algorithm), which is conceptually very simple
| to understand.
|
| There's no ability to actually edit dynamics or do very
| accurate frequency adjustments that I can see from the
| demos, so it's basically useless for anything I would want
| to do.
| lomase wrote:
| As much as I think making AI music is the pinacle of
| lazynes and instant gratification, in my opinion they are
| actual musicians.
|
| What I mean is that in a DAW you have a lots of tools that
| don't make sense in AI context.
|
| Like for example, people who use agentic workflows don't
| need a Visual Studio license.
| recursive wrote:
| Well, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or
| commission. Most code is written for an employer or
| contract. Code written as art is an edge case.
|
| For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic
| expression, like... what's the point?
| lomase wrote:
| If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to
| them... I think they are artist
|
| I used to release music that people listend to, but not
| anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for
| myself. Am I still an artist?
| recursive wrote:
| In my book, you are definitely an artist. Perhaps the
| purest kind, not that it's a competition.
|
| If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to
| some, they should do it. I just have a hard time
| understanding that.
| input_sh wrote:
| I can tell you exactly how any professional is gonna evaluate
| this DAW: press Ctrl+F, type "VST", see 0 results, close the
| page.
| meowface wrote:
| If they do add VST support I could see them becoming a
| legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.
| input_sh wrote:
| They're never gonna let you upload and run your own
| executable files to their infrastructure.
|
| That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-
| browser is just a toy.
| polishdude20 wrote:
| You can get a vst to run locally and still work with the
| browser.
| input_sh wrote:
| Okay, but why would you? What's the advantage of that?
| VSTs are resource hogs (when you have like 10+ running at
| once), not DAWs.
|
| I somehow doubt a full-blown browser connected to more
| than a couple of VSTs would be less of a resource hog
| than doing the same in a DAW. On your computer. That you
| own. In your house. Without like additional 50ms of
| latency for the data to travel to the server and back.
| recursive wrote:
| I just assumed all the audio data would be local even in
| a "browser DAW", so VST calls wouldn't go through a
| network.
| recursive wrote:
| Didn't realize this was in a browser. That tells me all I
| need to know.
| lioeters wrote:
| Coming soon: Suno Desktop (Electron version). "Look ma,
| no browser!"
| 80hd wrote:
| I wasn't expecting to, but I got chills listening to some Suno
| creations from artists who are clearly very talented at using
| this new medium.
|
| Much like those of us hammering away at LLMs who eventually get
| incredible results through persistence, people are doing the same
| with these other AI tools, creating in an entirely new way.
|
| I'm sure Suno are working hard on this and these AI tools can
| only come together as fast as we can figure out the UX for all
| this stuff, but I'm holding out for when I can guide the music
| with specific melodies using voice or midi.
|
| For "conventional" musicians, we (or at least I) would love to
| have that level of control. Often we know exactly what it should
| sound like, but might not have session musicians or expensive
| VSTs (or patience) on hand to get exactly the sound we want.
| Currently we make do with what we have - but this tech could
| allow many to take their existing productions to the next level.
| patapong wrote:
| That sounds really interesting. Would you mind sharing some
| examples of such creations?
| lomase wrote:
| They will not.
| meowface wrote:
| They probably won't. And if they do probably everyone will
| ridicule the songs. But maybe they will link the songs and
| maybe at least half the repliers will say the songs
| actually are good. I like rooting for the underdog.
| lomase wrote:
| Suno with its $125 million VC funding is everything but
| an underdog my friend.
| meowface wrote:
| By underdog I meant the above HN commenter wanting to
| prove to us that the AI-created songs he likes are
| actually considered good by others.
| lomase wrote:
| I actually have listen to all the links people posted.
| They are not that bad.
|
| But when they say it can replace Pop music I can only
| laugh. It is the most boring early 2000 RnB ever created
| and it souns thin.
|
| Any Aphex Twin model out there?
| bogtap82 wrote:
| I'm not the person you responded to, but these are some
| examples from someone I know that had accompanying music
| videos (actual video production) made for them:
|
| Sunscreen: https://youtu.be/VBaWtOHPTZw
|
| Purple Sunset Over Lake 2: https://youtu.be/lD7rSxPncs4
| nadermx wrote:
| These are terrible
| bogtap82 wrote:
| Thanks, I'll let them know.
| architectonic wrote:
| I enjoy this AI generated album https://open.spotify.com/albu
| m/6C6PJzxkHctvk1ibKM2zMx?si=YgL...
| pants2 wrote:
| I'll share something! I really enjoy this artist @kant, it's
| rap which isn't everyone's cup of tea but here's one of his
| more approachable songs.
|
| https://suno.com/song/07ab552c-1a76-43f4-a619-21a74e774dbd
| cdrini wrote:
| Not OP, but on the off chance you haven't seen this, I found
| the suno explorer thing quite nice. Hitting random a few
| times, I'll usually stumble onto something interesting. This
| was the first demo I heard where some of the AI tunes gave me
| goosebumps close to what human music does.
|
| https://suno.com/explore/
| nibblenum wrote:
| i wonder what https://www.renoise.com/ would be like like this
| pacifika wrote:
| Well it has lua scripting so it just needs someone determined
| chrisvenum wrote:
| While I like using AI for assisting with repetitive programming,
| I can't help but feel sorry for my producer and illustrator
| friends who are now having to compete with generated tools.
|
| Is it snobby of me to look down upon art that is created using
| these tools as lesser because the human did not make every tiny
| decision going into a peice? That a persons taste and talent is
| no longer fully used to produce something and for someone reason
| to me what is what makes the art impressive and meaningful?
|
| Something about art with imperfections still feels exciting,
| maybe even more so than if I see something that is perfect but if
| I see an AI gen picture with 6 fingers, I just write it all off
| as slop.
|
| I am happy to allow my generated code to come from "training
| data" but I see the use of AI in art, writing and music as using
| stolen artists hard work.
|
| I feel like as time goes on, I feel even more conflicted about it
| all.
| nh23423fefe wrote:
| You as a human chose to write this very common opinion and even
| include writing errors like the following
|
| > That a persons taste and talent is no longer fully used to
| produce something and for _someone reason to me what is what_
| makes the art impressive and meaningful?
|
| Human output isn't sacred. yes this is snobbery, a useless
| feeling of superiority.
| jjangkke wrote:
| Applying your logic, did you feel bad for seamstresses when
| industrial revolution took off? did you feel bad for hardware
| manufacturers in America when they were outsourced to China?
| Art is also a form of labor and whoever can produce quality at
| quantity wins. Idealizing art in some sort of religious
| idolation is just plain silly. We haven't had the Picassos or
| Mozarts or Oscar Peterson for quite some time now yet the world
| is just fine. People play playlists in front of millions of
| live crowd and get accolade for it vs real instruments. Times
| change, technology change and art changes.
|
| You either adapt or go hungry just like everybody else and art
| shouldn't be exempt from the mechanics of supply and demand.
| a456463 wrote:
| I hear this but this is not the industrial revolution buddy.
| chrisvenum wrote:
| I almost agree with you that this is about quality, but I
| still feel that the context in which art comes from
| influences how I perceive it.
|
| Take, for example, a track by Fontaines D.C., a band from
| Ireland that writes extensively about the lived social and
| political experience. Knowing where they are from and the
| general themes of their work makes their tracks feel
| authentic, and you can appreciate the worldview they have and
| the time spent producing the art, even if it does not align
| with your own tastes.
|
| Trying to create something of the same themes and quality
| from a prompt of "make me an Irish pop rock track about
| growing up in the country" suddenly misses any authenticity.
|
| Maybe this is what I am trying to get at, but like I said, I
| feel some conflict about this, as I personally value these
| tools for productivity
| chrisvenum wrote:
| Saying that, maybe a DAW experience makes what can be
| created more personal
| raincole wrote:
| > Is it snobby of me
|
| Yes. But aesthetic taste and snobbery usually go hand in hand.
| acureau wrote:
| I feel the same, including code. I cannot justify it. I can
| easily counter my own arguments. Still, the further we automate
| human thought and creativity the worse it makes me feel. I am
| disappointed that so many are content with mediocre imitation.
| jjangkke wrote:
| What's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good
| to listen to in place of professionally produced songs. For
| example, my favorite genre is new jack swing and there is a very
| limited number of this genre as it was briefly popular during the
| 90s. Now I have an endless supply of it and you can't tell that
| its AI produced anymore. Sure to an expert they might be able to
| detect it but for consumers its just as good as spotify playlist.
|
| This is the first time I'm actually paying for generated AI
| content because the value I get is immense. I really think we are
| headed towards and over supply of content where there will be
| more stuff to read, watch, listen with very real value in all of
| them.
|
| This spells out the inevitable change in the labor market for
| content creators. There will always be value for human created
| content and some will make more money but it will always have the
| AI generated content generation competing with it to the point
| where it will be hard to stay ahead and eventually people will
| stop caring.
|
| Case in point, I see some comments being snarkish towards Suno
| but for as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and
| years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today and
| now especially when there is virtually no difference in quality.
|
| Truly an amazing accomplishment from Suno team, and probably the
| first time I've subbed to a music service after decades of
| downloading mp3s, hunting down new songs to listen to on Youtube.
| Suno 'steamified" this process and while I will use youtube to
| discover new genre, I am spending now most of my time in Suno,
| listening to endless amount of the exact sound I am looking for.
| lomase wrote:
| What's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good
| to listen to in place of professionally produced songs.
|
| This is a big big lie.
| neom wrote:
| Rather than call it a lie, I think it would be more fair to
| say in this instance it's a matter of taste/perspective.
| Personally, I enjoy listening to Suno songs.
| lomase wrote:
| Personally I enjoy listening and smelling my own farts.
| tummler wrote:
| What a dystopian and depressing outlook on the valuation and
| enjoyment of art. Truly hope you're an anomaly.
| a456463 wrote:
| Couldn't agree more. Instead of seeking out people making
| that art, we are now leaving "art" or human expressive
| emotion to random noise and paying for it.
| meowface wrote:
| I simultaneously feel repulsed by AI music and "art" and yet
| am totally open to being captivated by AI music if I really
| feel something is musically better than almost any human-made
| music I've heard.
|
| I just haven't heard anything that isn't "slopful" yet. If I
| do, I will still feel weird about it, but I'm a big believer
| in the value of "aesthetic objects in themselves", so I am
| eager to find something I do actually like.
|
| Even just knowing something was drawn or composed by an AI
| will negatively taint my opinion from the start, but I'm
| still open.
| lomase wrote:
| I do love generative music. I don't care if you get your
| notes from a markov chain a shif register a LLM or your
| brain.
|
| The problem with AI music is that is just sounds like shit.
| meowface wrote:
| Right. That's pretty much my stance.
|
| I don't totally discount the position that the human
| "soul" is what makes art art and all that, but I still do
| think something can be very enjoyable and good without
| being created by a sentient entity, in theory.
| smt88 wrote:
| I've had some fun with Suno 5, but the songs absolutely don't
| replace well-made human music. They're much more formulaic and
| over-produced. They're usually forgettable. People I play them
| for can always tell they're AI produced.
| zubzubi wrote:
| I find it depends how you generate it. Asking Suno to make
| covers of uploaded recordings tends to give much, much better
| results than asking it to cook a song from scratch. There are
| still quite a few tells that it's AI-made but it's not bad at
| all, at least in my experience so far.
| XenophileJKO wrote:
| Currently for me, in the type of music I have enjoyed from
| v4.5+. V5 of their model is a regression.
|
| I was very impressed with v4.5+ that I could get quite good
| songs evocative of Devo, Yeah Yeah Yeah's, Metric, etc.
|
| Version 5 is currently harder (or I haven't figured out a
| way) to generate this kind of chopped/produced sound. It
| doesn't follow complex style definitions and tends to
| generate songs that are too slow and "smoothed" over.
| tbeseda wrote:
| > as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and
| years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today
|
| a quantity over quality argument with regard to art is wild.
| wilg wrote:
| people just start liking things if there is a lot of it
| CollinEMac wrote:
| > I really think we are headed towards and over supply of
| content where there will be more stuff to read, watch, listen
| with very real value in all of them.
|
| We're already here with human created content.
| pandaxtc wrote:
| > as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and
| years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today
| and now especially when there is virtually no difference in
| quality
|
| as a fellow consumer I care a lot actually
| sandoze wrote:
| Before AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg.
| Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization
| if you will. I can't help but wonder what gets lost when using
| tools like this.
| jckahn wrote:
| Culture
| cdrini wrote:
| It's unclear to me whether it will result in more homogeneity,
| as a result of prompts being a coarse medium that results in
| the AI choosing what it's seen to fill in the rest, or less
| homogeneity, as a result of more people with non-mainstream
| tastes being able to create music aligned with their niche that
| otherwise wouldn't exist due time/money restrictions. I think
| the latter seems a bit more likely, but time will tell.
| jsheard wrote:
| There's not really any need to speculate when this has
| already played out in other mediums - would you say that the
| proliferation of LLMs has led to an explosion of novel and
| interesting works of fiction, or just an explosion of cookie-
| cutter slop ebooks?
| cdrini wrote:
| I would say too soon to tell. There has been an uptick in
| ebook slop, but I'm not sure if it's impacted the
| homogeneity of literature, because I don't think anyone is
| reading ai ebooks. It's not enough for it to exist to
| impact culture, it has to be being consumed.
|
| Music is a uniquely interesting case, since music has a
| much lower barrier of entry to consume.
| sandoze wrote:
| My thought to who you replied to exactly. Am I going to
| invest several days to read an AI slop novel? No. But I
| will take several minutes to read a blog post and likely
| have read many that were AI generated or assisted.
| tummler wrote:
| Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens
| to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs,
| and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their
| workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful,
| instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this.
| So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this.
|
| It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can press a button and
| magically get exactly what they want with perfect accuracy and
| quality. 2. So robust and powerful it enables new kinds of music
| production and super-charges human producers.
|
| This is neither. And I don't buy Suno's argument that they're
| solving a real problem here. Creative people don't hate the
| process of creating art-- it's the process itself and the
| personal expression that make it worthwhile. And
| listeners/consumers can tell the difference between art created
| with intent and soul, and a pale imitation of that.
| raincole wrote:
| All you said is very reasonable.
|
| But then you look at image gen. The established one, namely
| Adobe, are surprisingly not winning the AI race.
|
| Then you look at code gen. The established IDEs are doing even
| worse.
|
| I don't rule out the possibility of music being truly special,
| but the idea of "established tools can just easily integrate AI
| right" isn't universally true.
| tummler wrote:
| The innovator's dilemma is real. IMO none of the big DAWs are
| well-positioned to capitalize on AI, but that doesn't mean
| they couldn't.
|
| I'd argue music generation is different from image or code
| generation. It's closer to being purely art. Take image
| generation for example. Most of the disruption is coming from
| competition with graphic design, marketing,
| creative/production processes, etc. The art world isn't up in
| arms about AI "art" competing with human art.
| leobuskin wrote:
| It does mean. The switch from writing "applicable" software
| to creating cutting edge AI is almost impossible. The
| parent comment makes great examples, we can add to that
| list JetBrains (amazing IDEs, zero ability to catch up with
| ML), for example. It's a very different fast-paced
| scientific driven domain.
| danielvaughn wrote:
| Agreed. The problem with being an incumbent in this era is
| that much of the existing UI/UX assumptions are based on the
| idea of manual manipulation. We're so early that foundational
| assumptions are still up for debate, and for large companies
| like Adobe, there's just no way they'd be able to move at the
| required pace to keep up. Heck I'm at a company that's less
| than 2 years old, with less than 20 people, solely devoted to
| AI, and it's still hard for us to keep up.
|
| What Adobe and others ought to be doing is setting up
| internal labs that have free reign to explore whatever ideas
| they want, with no barriers or formality. I doubt any of them
| will do that.
| jsheard wrote:
| > It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can press a button
| and magically get exactly what they want with perfect accuracy
| and quality. 2. So robust and powerful it enables new kinds of
| music production and super-charges human producers.
|
| Don't forget the secret third option - facilitate a tidal wave
| of empty-calorie content which saturates every avenue for
| discovery and "wins" purely by drowning everything else out
| through sheer volume. We're at the point where some genAI
| companies are all but admitting that's their goal.
|
| https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/ai-podcas...
| Gigachad wrote:
| That seems to be the purpose. It doesn't have to sound that
| good to the listener. It's just made to extract dollars from
| Spotify when you flood the platform with so much slop that
| some of it starts getting played by users who just let the
| machine pick the next song.
| zubzubi wrote:
| Yes I'm already doing this manually with Reason. I'll compose
| something that's quite bare bones, export the audio and run it
| through Suno, asking it to cover and improvise with a specific
| style, then when I have something I like, I split that into
| stems, import some or all of these to Reason and then
| reconstruct and enhance the sound using instruments in Reason,
| mostly by replaying the parts I like on keyboard and tweaking
| it in the piano roll. Often I get additional inspiration just
| by doing that. Eventually I delete all the tracks that came
| from Suno stems when I've finished this process.
|
| That way I get new musical ideas from Suno but without any
| trace of Suno in the final output. Suno's output, even with the
| v5 model, is never quite what I want anyway so this way makes
| most sense to me. Also it means there's no Suno audio
| watermarking in the final product.
| tummler wrote:
| This is similar to what I do. There are all kinds of useful
| ways to incorporate AI into the music production process. It
| should be treated like a collaborative partner, or any other
| tool/plugin.
|
| It shouldn't be a magic button that does everything for you,
| removing the human element. A human consciously making
| decisions with intent, informed by life experience, to share
| a particular perspective, is what makes art art.
| wartywhoa23 wrote:
| Degenerative art in full swing.
| bitbuilder wrote:
| As someone who's both a software engineer and music producer its
| been really interesting to watch the parallel progression of the
| AI advancements in both areas, as well as my own sentiments
| towards those advancements.
|
| I've always been pretty bullish about using LLMs to help with
| coding. My comment history here should verify that. I just
| thought it was insanley cool tech, and I found I was
| rediscovering the joy of programming when I could delegate out
| all the tedious crap I could never get myself to do. Side
| projects that had languished for years were finally getting
| somewhere near "done". I also found in many cases it was actually
| smarter than me, finding cleaner and more elegant solutions to
| problems than I ever would have. And that was great!
|
| The first time I played with Suno though, it was all so
| different. I felt deflated. What was the point in making music if
| a robot could do it better? Yes, the first models were crap, but
| the writing was on the wall. Music is all about pattern
| recognition and repetition after all, why wouldn't the robots be
| great at it? I suddenly knew how all those visual artists felt
| once the image models started rapidly improving.
|
| So it's been interesting try to disect why I thought coding
| models were great, and creative models... well, depressing.
|
| Part of it in my case was because being that guy who made cool
| music was always part of my identity, a part of me I was proud
| of. Coding, not so much. Don't get me wrong, I've had some pretty
| big career achievements that I'm very proud of, and I love
| coding. But at the end of day, the lines of code written were
| just a means to an end to making something cool.
|
| Which brings me to the other reason I think I was so much more
| positive about LLMs: the application I was bringing to life with
| the help of an LLM still very much felt like "mine". Yes, maybe
| the tedium of writing a bunch of boilerplate was being delegated,
| but the idea, the architecture, the UX, were still all mine. So I
| was building something I could still feel proud of.
|
| But typing a prompt into a box and getting a song back? Nah,
| that's not really mine. It's no different than shouting an idea
| to a musical improv musician and getting a song back. Maybe you
| gave them a cool idea, but the song isn't yours.
|
| Which brings me full circle back to this new Suno DAW
| announcement: this is absolutely incredible. I've only skimmed
| the announcement so far, but I feel like this brings AI song
| generation firmly back into the court of how I'm using LLMs to
| code: letting AI take care of the boring shit, and letting me
| focus on the composition.
|
| I've only really ever produced electronic music of various
| varieties, and I have so many uncompleted songs whithering on the
| vine because I wasted a week of time flipping endlessly through
| patches, tweaking them, trying to find "that sound" in my head
| that I could never bring to life, then eventually getting sick of
| the song and saying fuck it.
|
| And in my experiments with Suno, I found it was actually crazy
| good at matching a "sound" I described, I just wished I had a way
| to compose my own song based on the sounds it generated. And now
| here it is.
| BrokenCogs wrote:
| It's human nature to want to feel like we've accomplished
| something. AI generaters like Suno, where all you have to do is
| type in a prompt and you get the final result, take that sense
| of accomplishment away from us.
|
| However, if we start working on a project where we're assisted
| by AI, for example, we're making a game where the sprites are
| generated by AI or the background music is generated by AI, but
| the overall game is still directed by humans, that sense of
| accomplishment stays.
|
| But at some point we're going to reach the stage where the
| entire game can be generated in high quality, at the same level
| as humans. What then?
| ewuhic wrote:
| What is the current SOTA for open source or open weights music
| generation model?
| jononor wrote:
| How is the stem support these days? In particular I would like to
| create some songs with vocals (my lyrics), then be able to remove
| the vocal track and replace it with my own.
| lomase wrote:
| I don't know if Suno does it, but it should be doable.
|
| For voice removal I use Ultimate Vocal Track Remover, is on
| Github.
| jasongrishkoff wrote:
| I've been working on an AI detector for the last few months.
| Updated it to handle Suno V5 on Wednesday - looks like it's very
| similar to V4.5. Am curious to see how this Studio version
| impacts the model I've trained.
|
| If you want to test it, here's the link:
| https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker
| BrokenCogs wrote:
| If only I could use it before logging in.
| jasongrishkoff wrote:
| After login it's free. But my site has been targeted by a lot
| of spam/abuse over the last decade, and login is something
| I've needed to set up to avoid that :(
| lomase wrote:
| We just can't have nice things anymore.
| mrandish wrote:
| This is an excellent example of where AI-assisted pro music
| production needs to go. Five months ago there was an HN post on
| Suno's prompt-based music authoring and I asked for exactly this.
|
| > "I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a
| complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious
| money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a
| granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing
| individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track
| song project." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43873781
|
| It's clearly early beta and some key elements still aren't there
| - like optionally getting dry tracks (no effects) and MIDI output
| for generated solo instrument tracks - but Suno is absolutely
| headed in the right direction. So... congrats to the team. I'm
| excited! Although I recently retired and no longer have a studio,
| big budget or session players - I also no longer have the client,
| the client's "wife with _great_ ideas " and a hard deadline. But
| I've still got passion, experience and a good ear along with more
| time to explore creatively interesting directions. Vibe coding is
| fun but extrapolating forward from the Suno Studio demo video,
| it's clear Vibe Producing has the potential to be _amazing_.
|
| ASKS: I'd also love to see the ability to collaboratively evolve
| one aspect of a generated instrument track while holding most
| other aspects constant. This is how we'd work in the studio with
| session players. Stuff like "That's almost it... but give me a
| few variations with a trill at the end like _this clip_ but
| played with the sultry sound of the trumpet in _this clip_. "
|
| CONCERNS: My concerns are similar to the gaps experienced devs
| report with coding AIs being like "a junior developer with a bad
| memory and a parakeet's focus." If Suno Studio's AI is granular
| enough to collaboratively evolve its generated tracks over
| several iterations without losing sight of what's good about
| them, then it'll be productively useful. The only other
| significant concern is Suno Studio being it's own web-based DAW.
| A real DAW like Cubase or Bitwig is Hard. A browser-based tool is
| going to quickly run into thorny challenges around sample-
| accurate, jitter-free audio I/O, multi-track disk buffering,
| real-time effects, sub-mixes, ASIO plugins, etc. And none of that
| intractable mess of heavy-lifting is required for Suno to deliver
| their core value prop.
|
| STRATEGY: If I was having a beer with Suno Studio's PM Henry
| Phipps, I'd be encouraging him to either partner with or buy a
| mature, cross-platform DAW that's already solved those problems.
| The "buy" strategy has obvious benefits in quickly side stepping
| all the challenges of browser-based pro audio tools as well as
| securing an installed base of experienced producers used to
| paying real money for real tools. The partnering strategy seems
| cheaper and easier but, in my experience, doing it well is
| harder. I'd suggest working with one leading DAW but developing
| an open API to enable seamless workflows between traditional DAWs
| and AI services. Such an API would let Suno focus on what Suno
| does best while letting DAW makers avoid having to become
| competitively competent in neural nets, licensing tagged training
| data and running cloud GPU services profitably. No DAW developer
| has the capital (or access to capital) to seriously compete in
| those domains. Whether through acquisition or partnership, the
| long-term silver-lining for Suno may be gaining deep experience
| in digital media production tooling, workflows and customer
| mindsets.
| samfriedman wrote:
| Nice, I commented looking for this last year:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40588038
|
| Looks like the "covers" need some better instrument isolation,
| but this is really huge for the music industry.
| fortranfiend wrote:
| Well there's now a polka about diarrhea after eating spicy food.
| And a rock ballad duet about macaroni and cheese with a female
| singer and a screamo male part.
|
| Yup totally won't mess with their algorithms.
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