[HN Gopher] Pop OS 24.04 LTS Beta
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Pop OS 24.04 LTS Beta
Author : agluszak
Score : 374 points
Date : 2025-09-26 09:20 UTC (13 hours ago)
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| BoredPositron wrote:
| On the one hand, I appreciate the modern stack; on the other
| hand, the proportions and margins are completely off, making
| everything look genuinely bizarre. The switches, for instance,
| are humongous, and the radius on the rounded corners is excessive
| just take a look at the dock. Everything is touching corners or
| has double the amount of whitespace it needs. I hope they start
| polishining with a designer now.
| willi59549879 wrote:
| Some of the whitespace can be configured in the settings. I am
| not sure if the problems you mention can be adjusted there
| though.
| animegolem wrote:
| I like the function but it does all feel just a bit off and
| half backed. Im relatively hopeful it'll get there.
| athoneycutt wrote:
| There has been a UI/UX designer since day one.
| BoredPositron wrote:
| :/
| cosmic_cheese wrote:
| I feel you. It's not the worst I've seen by a long shot but
| it's still not "right" and as a result would find it irritating
| to use.
| jjice wrote:
| Would love to hear people's experiences with PopOS. I remember
| when it was new and Cosmic looked really neat, but I'm weary to
| try a new OS that has fewer users, purely because bugs will be
| reported and fixed less, so I've been an Ubuntu (and probably a
| Debian, soon) user.
| panick21_ wrote:
| I have been using PopOS for a long time. Its kind of like
| Ubuntu with some of the dumb Ubuntu stuff removed. Their
| PopShell for Gnome was just far, better then normal Gnome.
|
| I have been following Cosmic and using it quite a bit. For
| alpha it was great. I have been daily driving it off and on and
| its mostly pretty good. I would say I prefer it over vanilla
| Gnome.
|
| So its my plan to keep using it, I have no intention of going
| to Ubuntu again.
| myself248 wrote:
| I've been on Pop for about 5 years, through several major
| upgrade cycles, and it's nearly flawless. The bundled Pop!Shop
| app store is the notable turd in the pool, but it's optional.
| It has a system restore partition (that I've never had to use),
| boot-the-previous-kernel (that I've used once), full-disk
| encryption by default, so many little things that I appreciate.
| Everything Just Works, on both my old Thinkpad and my new
| Framework.
|
| When I have had trouble (e.g. stuck updates, other apt woes,
| Bluetooth weirdness), System76's help pages have been great. If
| they don't cover it, I just search +Ubuntu and the advice I
| find almost always works.
|
| I have no idea what WM or DE or anything I'm running, it's just
| here and it stays out of the way so there's no situation where
| I would be confronted by having to know its name. That's a bit
| annoying (I did finally find out that "Files" is actually
| "Nautilus", which helped when searching to understand some
| behaviors) in that it limits my ability to meaningfully search
| for, or change, these details, but I think if it was a big
| deal, I'd figure it out. It's just fine.
|
| That I can run an OS for 5 years and not know my WM or DE, is
| pretty cool, IMHO.
| snowzach wrote:
| FWIW, I have been running regular Pop using the Cosmic Store
| for a while now. It's nice and snappy.
| tracker1 wrote:
| Seconded, the Cosmic Store is a massive improvement... I do
| wish they'd make flathub vs packages slightly more obvious
| of a selector though.
| pqb wrote:
| > The bundled Pop!Shop app store is the notable turd in the
| pool, but it's optional.
|
| I agree. It's the second most irritating thing. I am glad
| that I have written my tiny `update` bash script, which takes
| care of installing all updates (apt, flatpack, brew, etc.)
| without touching "app store".
|
| I believe the bundled Pop!_Shop originates from Elementary OS
| and suffers from issues with proper background job
| processing. I find all those "store" apps for GNOME to be
| poorly written, often displaying incorrect numbers of
| updates, and generally slow.
| WJW wrote:
| Haven't tried the latest stuff yet but I've been on PopOS for a
| few years now and it's pretty seamless.
| DrewADesign wrote:
| They've got a decent live USB version that runs their installer
| if you want to try it out short-term, though obviously that
| doesn't really give you a real sense of the day-to-day. One
| thing that really impressed me about the live distro was that
| it worked out of the box with the propriety nvidia drivers.
| MattPalmer1086 wrote:
| I switched from Ubuntu shortly after they started using snap
| everywhere (so around 20.04?).
|
| I really like it, everything mostly just works well without any
| hassles.
|
| I'm keen to try out Cosmic, although I would have preferred
| that they had a Gnome based 24.04 release last year rather than
| making everything wait for it.
|
| But I'm still a happy user. Just hope they stick to the 2 year
| LTS cadence in future.
| pqb wrote:
| I have been using Pop!_OS on my old Intel-based Dell laptop for
| over 5 years. Now, I'm alternating between my M1-powered Mac
| and Pop!_OS as my daily driver. Before, I used Ubuntu for over
| 10 years and tested various distributions.
|
| Pop!_OS is probably the best Ubuntu/Debian derivative I've
| used. It's buttery smooth for everything I need it to be. I
| haven't encountered any bugs or major problems that are
| strictly related to Pop!_OS. It feels like Ubuntu, without slow
| Snaps (Pop!_OS is Flatpak-centered), Canonical ads (Ubuntu Pro,
| MicroK8s...), and with a slightly modified GNOME desktop
| environment.
|
| If I had to find the worst thing about Pop!_OS, it's a
| negligible issue stemming from muscle memory after using macOS.
| The Super+Left/Right Arrow keys on Pop!_OS are used to switch
| between applications, while on macOS they are meant to move the
| text cursor to the start or end of a word. I haven't found the
| option to disable it yet.
| A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote:
| It was, for me, one of the best experiences for linux desktop.
| In a very practical way, it was popos that got me off of
| windows at home. There are some issues, but they seem to mostly
| revolve about me getting opinionated over what something
| 'should' look like ( so I occasionally try other distros ).
|
| It is less bloated than ubuntu ( but still has heavily embedded
| stuff that is hard to remove like accessibility -- the amount
| of times kid pressed key combination to turn on voicing each
| key was super annoying ). Store is slow af. But all of those
| are smaller things.
|
| edit: note about the store
| lproven wrote:
| > I'm weary to try a new OS that has fewer users
|
| "Weary" means "very tired". I think you mean "wary" -- nervous,
| hesitant, scared.
|
| "I am wary _of trying_ a new OS... "
| littlecranky67 wrote:
| I recently installed Pop OS stable on my ancient 2014 MacbookPro.
| It was a mostly flawless experience - I needed to manually
| install the closed-source wl WiFi driver after installing while
| on USB-Ethernet, but after that everything worked. Trackpad (with
| 2finger scroll enabled by default), Display (with HiDPI), SD Card
| reader etc. I like the gnome based UI, I am not sure about the
| new Cosmic thingy though. Hope the GNOME-based UI will still be
| available in the new release.
| willi59549879 wrote:
| I guess the gnome version will be available until cosmic moves
| out of beta. That might still take some time.
| avinassh wrote:
| I have an old 2019 MBP, now I am tempted to try Pop on it. Does
| the external displays work?
| littlecranky67 wrote:
| PopOS (just as Ubuntu) comes with a live-linux for its
| install media -i.e. you can try with the very same installer
| usb-stick if the system works for you. In generall I'd say
| the older a system, the better the likelihood of linux compat
| (if it is not WAY to old).
|
| On that 2014 MBP Retina, I have attached a 4K TV via HDMI. It
| works in dual-screen, even though I use it with the lid
| closed in single-screen mode (4k TV only), but only 30Hz are
| supported (I can run 1080@60). Limitation of the Intel
| onboard GPU I assume.
|
| You probably have your reasons why you do not want macOS on
| that system anymore - for me the 2014 MBP fell long out of
| macOS support and while I had Sonoma with Opencore Legacy
| Patcher running on it, the OS was just unbearably slow, plus
| some audio issues (along the fact that with opencore legacy
| patcher your security is also at risk). So that was a no
| brainer, because macOS just wasn't an option anymore.
|
| Another word of warning: I had the very same 2019 Intel MBP
| and it died just a couple of weeks after it fell out of Apple
| Care. Just turned of right while using, never came back. That
| series is notorious for having thermal issues, and a friend
| of mine had the same model dying the same way just a couple
| of weeks after. Maybe you want to sell it while it still has
| macOS support (higher prices on the 2nd hand market) and get
| a different laptop if you are after Linux.
| buccal wrote:
| You can try using DP adapter/cable: https://web.archive.org
| /web/20160708162656/https://support.a...
| foxbarrington wrote:
| I just tried to put omarchy/arch on my 16" mbp. Everything
| worked (eventually... speakers and keyboard backlight needed
| special stuff) except for suspend or hibernate. After about a
| week, I gave up and put Monterey on it.
| kedean wrote:
| As of just a couple years ago, I was able to run the latest Pop
| on even a late 2011 MBP. It's the only distribution I found
| that cleanly handled the wifi stack, display, and power
| management, although it took some tweaking for power management
| in particular to work right.
| sprogg77 wrote:
| Hello! I have a mid-2014 Macbook Pro and I couldn't get my wifi
| working with PopOS. Do you have a webpage, or set of commands
| you could share?
| system7rocks wrote:
| It's usually something like this. But I guess for Ubuntu?
|
| https://wiki.debian.org/wl
|
| Just note: anytime the kernel is updated, you need rerun
| these commands and rebuild the drivers for the new kernel.
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| I'm glad to see some innovation in the Linux desktop space but
| pop os just looks kind of cheesy
| willi59549879 wrote:
| I hope it will make the space more interesting. Also with other
| projects using cosmic as a base to build on top.
| ako wrote:
| Old news? The version number is 24.04, seems like a year old?
| Page doesn't have a date, news should always have a date...
| SteveLauC wrote:
| Should be new. They released some showcase videos a few hours
| ago [1]
|
| [1]:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMJpPasSN0M&list=PL0bXfFQsIC...
| panick21_ wrote:
| They have delayed 24.04 to wait for Cosmic to be ready. They
| push new kernels to the older release as well.
| alecsm wrote:
| The version number is 24.04 because it's based on the latest
| Ubuntu LTS.
| ako wrote:
| Interesting that a normal, justified question receives this
| many downvotes...
| alecsm wrote:
| I'm actually excited to try Cosmic DE.
|
| It still has some of that Gnome Shell feeling that I like but
| with many features I want that we'll never see in Gnome, like
| having the top bar on all screens. Right now if you have a full
| screen app on your main screen you can't even see what time it
| is.
|
| If they added independent workspaces per monitor I'll switch to
| it as soon as it gets out of beta.
|
| Edit.
|
| I just watched their workspace showcase video. We have
| independent workspaces per monitor [1]. Is this real life?
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3rGXNNUoW8&list=PL0bXfFQsIC...
| mwcz wrote:
| I'll probably be switching over too, from sway, once Cosmic is
| out of beta. I love tiling, and the only thing I miss while
| using sway is the lack of a single integrated settings
| application. It's possible to couple together individual apps
| to manage Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and Monitors and everything else,
| but a single settings app is much better than babysitting a
| dozen separate ones.
| baobun wrote:
| FWIW you can run i3 as WM inside, say, XFCE, if you're not
| married to wayland. i3 and sway are almost identical
| otherwise.
| flexd wrote:
| I use Regolith Desktop packages to run Sway with Gnome. It's
| basically i3/Sway + Gnome settings, and works really well. I
| get the benefit of a sane DE (Sway) and somewhat easier
| settings and defaults
|
| https://regolith-desktop.com/
| fhchl wrote:
| I highly recommend regolith as well, even though the Sway
| session has never worked without issues for me yet. X11 is
| very stable.
| mwcz wrote:
| Very cool. I'm on Fedora and not likely to switch, but it
| looks like there's a lot of improvements I could crib from
| regolith.
| TrueSlacker0 wrote:
| "Right now if you have a full screen app on your main screen
| you can't even see what time it is."
|
| This drives me crazy. I'm in a flow, distraction free via the
| full screen and break it to see what date or time it is. Even
| on a multi monitor setup. Which usually ends up meaning I get
| pulled out of that flow because I see a new notification on
| some other app or because I grabbed my phone to check that
| info.
| teddyh wrote:
| Addiction issue.
| lukan wrote:
| But very widespread.
|
| Do you never check your phone and realize you are now
| suddenly doing something completely unrelated?
|
| Phones are focus breaking by design. It takes effort,
| silencing them.
| tracker1 wrote:
| I live by timers/alarms on my phone... if I don't set an
| alarm/timer, I'll never break focus for meetings etc.
| teddyh wrote:
| > _But very widespread._
|
| Yes. Does that invalidate the fact?
|
| > _Do you never check your phone and realize you are now
| suddenly doing something completely unrelated?_
|
| How is this relevant? But, no, as it happens, I don't.
|
| > _Phones are focus breaking by design. It takes effort,
| silencing them._
|
| Maybe your phone. Those who get an addictive phone may
| get addicted, and it does take effort to break an
| addiction.
| messe wrote:
| That's not on you to say, and pretty fucking tone deaf to
| boot.
| teddyh wrote:
| If someone cannot look at their phone to find out the
| time without becoming distracted and losing their focus,
| that's not a phone problem.
| wtetzner wrote:
| Maybe, but why should you have to pull out a separate
| device to check the time?
| wtetzner wrote:
| Even if you don't get pulled into something else, having to
| stop what you're doing to check the time sounds like a bad
| UI.
| komali2 wrote:
| Getting a desk clock was a weirdly useful change for me,
| maybe try that?
| Maken wrote:
| Which has the added bonus of working even in fullscreen
| games.
| abrouwers wrote:
| I appreciate your dedication. Never once in my career have I
| been at "I'm so locked in, I can't spare a single second of
| time to look at another monitor" level of concentration :D
| antnisp wrote:
| It is not about the time spent looking at the time, it is
| about being unable to ignore shiny stuff when you get out
| of fullscreen.
| alecsm wrote:
| The point is, there's no clock in any other monitor because
| the top bar is only on the main one.
|
| To me it's not about a couple seconds that takes me to look
| at my phone. It's the inability to have it on all my
| monitors just like all other DE. And it's not only the
| time. You can't access your notifications, your app
| indicator icons or anything you add to that top bar through
| extensions.
| abrouwers wrote:
| Sure - I get the point, but also have never found the top
| bar on another monitor to be super prohibitive to my
| production. It's rare that I don't have a spare moment to
| move the mouse to check notifications (in fact, if they
| were close to my full-screen work environment, I might be
| tempted to check them MORE frequently).
| luqtas wrote:
| you can literally press Meta/Win key and have Gnome's
| overview... want something better move to XFCE :P
| eek2121 wrote:
| FWIW on KDE this is easily doable. I have my taskbars set up
| with per monitor taskbars as well.I can do pretty much
| anything while playing a game, watching a movie, etc.
| close04 wrote:
| I accidentally upgraded to the alpha (identical laptops, picked
| the wrong one and jumped into it) and it's been _very_ rough
| and not just around the edges. Can 't wait to go to beta,
| hopefully this addresses most of the issues. At least even the
| alpha was rock solid in terms of stability, so definitely fine
| for daily use but I didn't enjoy the user experience.
| tormeh wrote:
| It used to be really bad this spring, but now it's somewhat
| buggy but fundamentally fine. Somewhere around March games
| would just randomly lose focus, start stuttering, or you
| couldn't use fullscreen while having a secondary monitor
| connected, that sort of thing. Now it's mostly fine. Steam
| Remote Play still has issues, but this is really a niche use
| case.
| tracker1 wrote:
| I've been running the 6.16 kernel via mainline for a couple
| months and that has taken care of most of my issues with
| games, running ta current gen AMD gpu. Can't speak for how
| much of the stability increase has been the kernel vs the
| DE though, just been getting more solid along the way. I
| just switched about 5-6 months ago though.
| yuters wrote:
| Most things can be solved with Gnome Shell extensions, but I
| have to admit that having to install 5-6 extensions for basic
| DE features, like managing where notifications show up, makes
| it easier to switch to something else.
| ChocolateGod wrote:
| Problem is exacerbated when your GNOME Shell gets updated and
| takes out all your extensions.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| Or your extensions take out GNOME
| alecsm wrote:
| Most things, yes. The things I mentioned, no.
| tracker1 wrote:
| Even then, Gnome updates regularly require massive updates to
| those extensions... Pop used to just do that in the box, but
| felt just having an entirely separate DE they control would
| be a better long run experience.
| cbolton wrote:
| I'm using niri with quickshell now and it has a similar feel,
| as quickshell implements many features in a unified way as in
| Gnome Shell.
|
| In niri you can have the bar on all monitors, and you can also
| configure a window to fill the available space and have it
| "think" it's full screen while the top bar is still visible
| (see the toggle-windowed-fullscreen setting).
| gorgoiler wrote:
| Did you follow or do you have a guide or instructions for how
| you configured your setup?
| seaal wrote:
| Checkout DankMaterialShell[0], it's still in somewhat early
| stages of development but it supports both Niri and
| Hyprland. I just switched over to it from waybar in my
| Omarchy setup and have been loving it.
|
| [0]: https://github.com/AvengeMedia/DankMaterialShell
| cbolton wrote:
| For niri I followed closely the build and "manual
| installation" and "example systemd setup" instructions on
| the website. If you do that don't forget to edit
| niri.service to set the correct path for the executable.
|
| For Quickshell I basically followed the website
| instructions but here are my notes from when I installed on
| Debian Trixie: git clone
| https://git.outfoxxed.me/quickshell/quickshell
| sudo apt install cmake qt6-base-dev qt6-declarative-dev
| qt6-shadertools-dev spirv-tools pkg-config libcli11-dev
| qt6-wayland-private-dev qt6-svg-dev ninja-build qt6-svg-
| plugins libjemalloc-dev wayland-protocols libdrm-dev
| libqtqmlmodels-dev 'qt6-*-private-dev' libpam0g-dev
| Do not install ddcutil: it prevents detection of the
| external monitor except if the monitor is turned off and on
| again. cmake -GNinja -B build
| -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo -DCRASH_REPORTER=OFF
| ignore warnings `The qml plugin 'xxx' is a dependency of
| 'quickshell'...` cmake --build build
| cmake --install build
|
| For the Quickshell config I used Noctalia. This means
| installing some dependencies like fonts-roboto, then
| cloning the noctalia repository as a directory in
| ~/.config/quickshell/, and finally editing the quickshell
| systemd service to start it with the noctalia config
| (command "qs -c noctalia-shell").
| bardsore wrote:
| I tried niri this spring and had several issues trying to get
| copy-pasting between Wayland and X (Xwayland) working. Think
| I had some other problems as well that were a dealbreaker
| that I can't recall at the moment. Anyway, have you had an
| issues like this? I assume Gnome does a lot of work to make
| it seamless, maybe Quickshell does something similar?
| cbolton wrote:
| As far as I remember I just had to install wl-clipboard and
| xwayland-satellite. It was working fine then even before I
| moved from Waybar to Quickshell.
| j1elo wrote:
| > [in Gnome] if you have a full screen app on your main screen
| you can't even see what time it is.
|
| I know in FOSS there's a ton of enthusiastic and just non
| professional work (nor there should be expectations of it), but
| still... I'd hope the user-facing interface for an OS (or any
| UI, really) should be designed by people with a background on
| design, which doesn't seem to be the case at all with this
| idea. It's another example of why most of us developers should
| not be even touching the world of laying stuff out visually :)
| deaddodo wrote:
| The truth is that the GNOME community probably has the most
| designers and UX-focused members in its community.
|
| The problem isn't lack of designers.
| ChocolateGod wrote:
| For all the hate it receives, Libadwaita is one of the
| nicest designed toolkits currently in-use that has more
| than a dozen applications using it.
|
| Having an entire CSS engine at their disposal certainly
| does help the designers design without needing to know
| programming.
| j1elo wrote:
| That surprises me. What kind of decision process ends up
| choosing to hide the primary clock in a desktop OS. It's
| funny imagine the meeting, people voting "yes" to this. Not
| even in the tiny screens (by comparison) of phones this has
| been done (probably proposed somewhere sometime, but
| thankfully denied).
| deaddodo wrote:
| The problem isn't enough designers, it's too many.
|
| There are conflicting design goals throughout the UI. All
| could be good/great with a cohesive system, but there is
| none.
|
| To answer your question, the same people that wanted the
| system to be a Tier 1 mobile/tablet UI.
| alex_duf wrote:
| I don't understand, on Gnome when you maximize a window (drag
| to top) you can still see the time.
|
| Now if you're talking about complete fullscreen, like when
| watching a video, I' don't understand the use case. Either you
| want fullscreen or you don't?
| card_zero wrote:
| Baffled me too but I get it now, they want fullscreen on the
| first monitor and a clock on the second.
| alex_duf wrote:
| Ah thanks, I was so confused
| Dusseldorf wrote:
| I agree GP was talking about the multi monitor scenario,
| but I also run into trouble with just one monitor. If I'm
| playing a full screen game and want to know what time it
| is, there's no way to focus the task bar without closing
| the game entirely. On Windows, hitting the start button
| while in a fullscreen app will give focus to the taskbar so
| you can glance at the time and immediately return to the
| game.
| wltr wrote:
| Yeah, I lost so many Warcraft III games on Battle.net,
| when I accidentally pressed that pesky button, while
| having a pretty decent computer with 256 MB RAM. I ended
| up facing a separate keyboard without the key (and some
| others too).
|
| Thankfully, these days when I want to play a bit (with a
| computer, sigh) on my Sway setup, yeah, it doesn't react
| to that button.
|
| Saying all that, yeah, I never considered that -- having
| your game being lost to buggy and slow Windows -- a
| feature. I wouldn't want that even today, having 125
| times more RAM than 20 years ago.
| iknowstuff wrote:
| This is now solved because games don't default to
| exclusive fullscreen anymore, so the windows compositor
| still runs on top of the game, so popping up the start
| menu is instant without any weird resolution/hdr changes
| deaddodo wrote:
| Just because someone wants a single app to have a full screen
| (video, game, an IDE, etc), doesn't mean they aren't using
| their other screens/desktops for work.
| elygre wrote:
| Even with a single screen I sometimes want a video in full
| screen, while keeping an app window (email, excel, whatever)
| in a window in front of it.
| alex_duf wrote:
| right click -> "always on top". That's available by default
| mort96 wrote:
| Well, that only works for GTK 3 or 4 apps. Thanks to CSDs
| and GNOME's refusal to implement SSDs, every app that's
| not either running in XWayland or a GTK3/4 app has its
| own decorations without the context menu with the always
| on top option.
|
| There was some way of enabling always on top on non-
| GTK3/4 apps too, but I don't remember it off the top of
| my head.
| amlib wrote:
| You can use the alt+space shortcut to access the window
| context menu on any window, even if they are not a
| gtk/gnome app. At least on my system qt and kde apps
| still get some kind of ssd decoration that behaves
| somewhat like the gnome apps, plus access to the window
| context menu, though I agree things should be better than
| this and work more universally...
| SteveLauC wrote:
| Really impressive work from the Pop!_OS team. They broke away
| from GNOME and decided to build their own DE, now it's finally
| here
| ChocolateGod wrote:
| Maybe it's just media bias, but I have seen interest and work
| for GNOME really drop off the last couple of years. You could
| see something cool being worked on every couple weeks (at least
| reported on).
|
| I remember this goal to change the window management to be more
| like a tiling WM (similar to Niri) that seems to have faded
| away. I recently moved from GNOME to KDE, one reason being KDE
| adopting Wayland protocols quicker and constant performance
| issues with GNOME.
| PixelForg wrote:
| > I remember this goal to change the window management to be
| more like a tiling WM (similar to Niri) that seems to have
| faded away.
|
| Are you talking about this article?
|
| https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/tag/tiling/
| ChocolateGod wrote:
| Yes it was shown off at their GUADEC.
| amanzi wrote:
| I think they bit off more than they could chew with this project,
| but happy they are making progress. I actually prefer Gnome, so I
| didn't care much for this project anyway. I've switched back to
| regular Debian 13 and am super happy with it.
| kokada wrote:
| Yes, I didn't even know they didn't had a version based on the
| last LTS (that was release more than 1 year ago). Especially
| considering that they have a strong focus for developers, and
| developers in general wants the new-ish libraries otherwise
| things starts to break or just in general compatibility issue
| with newer programs or libraries that you may depend for work.
|
| It does seems to me that it would be better to invest one more
| release cycle in Gnome before switching all efforts to their
| Cosmic DE. But good luck for the team nonetheless.
| adgjlsfhk1 wrote:
| One of the big differences between PopOs and Ubuntu is that
| they tend to keep more up to date versions of the kernel and
| drivers which significantly mitigates the impact of this.
| PopOS 24.04 is currently on kernel 6.16.
| swiftcoder wrote:
| I don't know about that - quite a few of us developers value
| stability over all else.
|
| I can build newer tools/libraries from source if needed, but
| upgrading and discovering half my workflow is broken on a
| newer OS is an absolute dealbreaker. I'll wait to adopt new
| OS for some time after they are released, let the early
| adopters flush out all the bugs.
| weatherlight wrote:
| I've been using Alpha(as my main driver!) for a year now, there's
| been a few hiccups here and there but its been very good. I
| prefer this to Gnome.
|
| It's my main driver for software development, it was initially a
| dual boot system with windows, but I found that I could use Steam
| with very little configuration and could do all my gaming in
| linux(Cosmic DE/PopOS, I have a Nvidia GPU) as well. Works out of
| the box with Bigwig Studio and my Soundcard (Ultralite mk5)
|
| I use a mix of the Cosmic store and nix for packages and
| programs.
|
| I don't need to use windows ever again for anything and it makes
| me very happy.
| francislavoie wrote:
| They took too long so I moved off of PopOS 22.04 over to Ubuntu
| 25.04. I had tons of audio stability issues among many other
| things that I wanted fixed as well. I also have a lot of Gnome
| extensions I depend on right now, so I'm not ready to run a
| completely new DE without a healthy extension ecosystem to fix
| the quirks. I love the idea of a Rust DE and all that, but I
| can't really risk it for my daily driver machine.
| noisy_boy wrote:
| Same - I got tired of waiting and moved to KDE on Fedora. Zero
| complaints and regrets. People said that Fedora is too bleeding
| edge and things break but fingers crossed, it has been an
| awesome experience.
| ajcp wrote:
| I've been running Fedora for years on my XPS 13 and am very
| pleased. Had zero issues except the integrated webcam doesn't
| work, but honestly that's a feature to me.
| andrewflnr wrote:
| Weird. I'm also running Fedora on an xps 13 and my camera
| is fine. In case it makes a difference, is yours the
| Ubuntu-specific version?
| ajcp wrote:
| Yup! I bought the Ubuntu specific version and flashed
| Fedora on it day 1. From everything I've read this was
| fairly common behavior.
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| I had to blacklist newer kernel series that broke AMD
| graphics. But overall quite like it.
| hodgehog11 wrote:
| Exact same story; Fedora has been so much more wonderful than
| I expected. Made me realise just how far the Linux desktop
| has really come these past years while Pop OS languished.
| I've tried the alpha, and while bugs were few, Cosmic doesn't
| look or feel like home to me. The slightly off positioning of
| items on the taskbar, the high contrast borders... It's
| speedy, but it's not for me.
| troyvit wrote:
| I might try Fedora now that kde-neon is going the immutable
| route via kde linux. That said one of my most stable times
| with KDE was installing it over Pop!_OS. It was rock solid.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| There is a Fedora Cosmic spin available as well for anyone
| who likes Fedora but still wants a nice Cosmic experience out
| of the box
| mythz wrote:
| Was looking forward to this for a long time as I think Linux
| could do with a clean break from the Legacy built around
| Gnome/KDE/X11. But it's taking so long to get to release my main
| concern is now that a small company doesn't have the dev
| resources to take on maintaining a DE by themselves and haven't
| been successful in attracting a dev community to help pick up the
| slack.
|
| I'm now leaning towards the Hyprland/Omarchy approach of starting
| with a curated blank slate that can be easily themed, customized
| and extended to suit where I wouldn't have to rely on big drop
| releases of a single organization for any missing/preferred
| functionality.
|
| Even at its young age Omarchy has some how managed to attract
| 134/782 open/closed PRs [1] vs 6/90 for CosmicDE (since 2022) [2]
| which IMO speaks to the approachability and hackability of a
| scriptable DE and the community being built up around each.
|
| Edit: as the Cosmic DE repo is made up of many submodules, they
| all have a lot more PRs/activity combined.
|
| [1] https://github.com/basecamp/omarchy/pulls
|
| [2] https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch/pulls
| BoredPositron wrote:
| Omarchy is mainly composed of configuration files which makes
| it a lot easier to interact with.
| mythz wrote:
| Exactly, much more hackable/approachable/sharable to be able
| to easily cobble features together.
| Jgrubb wrote:
| "configuration as convention"?
| mwcz wrote:
| The number of PRs for Cosmic you shared is very misleading. The
| parent repo is full of submodules, so if you want to present
| the number of PRs to Cosmic as a whole, you need to count the
| PRs for each repo. For example, the software library app alone
| has more than double (3/182) the number you presented (6/90).
| mythz wrote:
| ok that makes more sense, was looking for their main/largest
| repo with the most stars, but yeah given it's made up of
| multiple sub modules its PRs are highly under represented.
| jorams wrote:
| > Omarchy has some how managed to attract 134/782 open/closed
| PRs [1] vs 6/90 for CosmicDE (since 2022) [2]
|
| You're linking to the PRs on one of many Cosmic repositories,
| the top-level wrapper repository. The total number of PRs on
| all Cosmic repositories it includes is far larger than Omarchy.
| sroerick wrote:
| I agree with this.
|
| However, I have a Starlabs convertible tablet, which I have
| just not gotten comfortable with on Arch.
|
| I've considered going the sxmo route, but the volume buttons
| aren't that good. So I'm thinking maybe KDE plasma? Maybe the
| hardware is just not good enough for me to be happy.
|
| There really isn't a solid arch config, to my knowledge, on
| tablets. I'd love to have the scriptability of Omarchy on
| something that worked well with an OSK and touchscreen. It may
| be hard to do this, however, as elements like "Activate OSK
| when text box selected" might be reliant on DE properties. Im
| not sure
| pelagicAustral wrote:
| This is fine, but Hyprland/Omarchy is a different paradigm than
| you average Gnome/KDE distro... As much as I would love to love
| Omarchy, it is just not my cup of tea, I just like to operate
| on windows floating everywhere, and get pissed that I can't
| find what I'm after and Super+Tab two full rounds before
| landing where I want to be, I just like that, I thrive in this
| chaos... I settled for Bluefin which is by far the best
| developer experience I have ever had in my life, it is just the
| perfect distro for coming from either Windows or macOS...
| pjmlp wrote:
| A UNIX graphical system without a proper developer stack, with
| frameworks for all layers, means everyone does their little
| thing, the people that can't be bothered just ship Electron or
| something just as bad, and for all user purposes to manage
| windows, and a couple of xterms, one could just be using FVWM
| from 1994.
|
| Which is how I look to most of these new desktops.
| thw_9a83c wrote:
| > with frameworks for all layers
|
| Not only that. Those frameworks are constantly changing. Old
| APIs are left behind while new, incompatible APIs are
| introduced swiftly. Fortunately, the Linux desktop is now
| perfectly usable despite all this, because most software runs
| in a terminal, the Electron engine, or in the web browser.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Which is basically why nowadays, my devices don't run
| GNU/Linux.
|
| I am old enough that when I reached university, there were
| still green and ambar terminals to a DG/UX server used as
| timesharing system by all students.
|
| Electron, the only application I tolerate on my private
| computers is VSCode, mostly because some plugins aren't
| available anywhere else.
|
| Browser, I can have anywhere.
|
| If it is to have the same experience as early 1990's UNIX,
| I can just as well ssh into a server box, VM or container.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Isn't this what Gnome/Libadwaita is trying to solve? They've
| been putting quite a bit of effort into it, and gnome
| builder, flatpak & related tech to have a proper developer
| stack for making GUI apps, and a community (gnome circle) to
| show them off.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Yes, both GNOME and KDE, but unfortunately never took off
| as many of us expected in the 2000's, and nowadays
| apparently tiling managers without such frameworks is what
| is cool.
| t43562 wrote:
| At one time Gnome ejected a portion of its user base in
| order to become something that would work on tablets and
| phones as well as desktops - at least that seemed like the
| rationale. At that time it looked like there might be a
| market for linux devices with a UI and I don't know for
| sure but I think some money was spent to achieve this which
| is why objections by users were of so little importance.
|
| Nowadays phones seem like a duopoly that cannot be
| challenged and tablets aren't very important anymore. Linux
| doesn't matter on the desktop because browsers are the UI
| and the apps run in the cloud. The whole GNOME/KDE/whatever
| effort is a bit moot.
| Y_Y wrote:
| > curated blank slate
| cosmic_cheese wrote:
| On approachability, I think with COSMIC the use of Rust is
| going to negatively impact it in that area. I don't think a
| scripting language needs to be used, but something more C-like
| in syntax is a must. Rust is intimidating looking to those who
| don't know it which is likely to bottleneck contributions.
| MeetingsBrowser wrote:
| Rust is the "most loved" language for almost a decade now.
|
| The syntax may be verbose in some cases, but that ignores the
| hype surrounding Rust. I don't think they will be hurting for
| contributors.
| cosmic_cheese wrote:
| Rust certainly has an enthusiastic following, and I'm sure
| there will be contributors from within that circle, but
| that hype has little impact beyond that crowd. The chances
| that your random user who gets an itch to contribute has
| adequate Rust skills is not high.
| t43562 wrote:
| One tends to love things that make life easy. If you spend
| all your time debugging memory errors or concurrency
| problems then rust might seem wonderful for saving you from
| those problems.
|
| I'm still learning it but it doesn't really seem very
| joyous when trying to accomplish simple things. I'm feeling
| nostalgic for C actually. I don't end up doing a lot of
| concurrency and memory handling is a discipline that can be
| greatly aided by running valgrind on my unit tests.
|
| I find Python joyous and I don't love Javascript but I'd
| much rather write UI code in that than any compiled
| language.
| cosmic_cheese wrote:
| I think that writing UIs in a compiled language can be a
| pleasant experience, but it requires that the language in
| question be designed to put an explicit heavy emphasis on
| ergonomics and devs landing on the happy path by default.
| Rust doesn't really fit that profile and prioritizes
| safety above all.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Or at the very least, an easier way to extend the desktop
| with extensions.
|
| What made gnome extensions so successful (despite gnome
| breaking them every new release) is it's just JavaScript &
| CSS. You can learn & make a gnome shell extension in an
| afternoon. No need to learn C, GObject, etc.
|
| For COSMIC, even the panel applets are full rust programs
| cosmic_cheese wrote:
| Unfortunately Gnome extensions suffer from breaking
| frequently due to how they work.
|
| The best design for extensions specifically is with a
| capable, well-defined, stable public API that can be hooked
| into by a scripting language. The extension APIs should be
| exposed with both official bindings for popular languages
| as well as plain C headers, so other language bindings can
| be easily written and extension authors can use Python or
| Lua or Ruby or whatever it is they like to write.
| array_key_first wrote:
| The reality is that hyprland is not a desktop environment and,
| even with a few dozen extra packages installed, it doesn't
| cover even a quarter of the use cases something like KDE does.
|
| For many people that's fine, but you're comparing apples and
| oranges.
| mythz wrote:
| The fact they are different is the point, and my preference
| is leaning towards the Hyprland/Omarchy approach of starting
| from an empty base that you script and stitch different
| features together (from a wider community of authors) to
| build my preferred DE instead of relying on a big release
| drops from a single vendor to provide most of a DE's
| features.
|
| There's going to be room in Linux Desktops for multiple DE's,
| and everyone's going to have their own preference, mine's
| just leaning towards the Hyprland ecosystem.
| ollien wrote:
| This might be what finally gets me to ditch my i3+xfce setup.
| Anyone done a similar transition?
| Garvi wrote:
| I was using Manjaro i3 X11 for 3 years. A few months back I
| switched to Arch Hyprland Wayland and so far I am very happy
| with it. I use it for programming, video editing and gaming. No
| major inconveniences.
| dadoomer wrote:
| I was running i3 on Arch before. Then, I moved to Gnome Shell
| and have been daily driving COSMIC for a couple months. I think
| you will like it. At least on Alpha there were a couple rough
| edges here and there, but no deal breakers for me.
| gempir wrote:
| I've been using the cosmic-de on arch for a few months now.
| Started with the alpha and then switched to their git main
| branch.
|
| I absolutely loved it. It is such a breath of fresh air. I
| previously used to run i3 and a bunch of other tooling around it
| I can't even remember. Setup always had some weird edge case or
| was weird to use. Gnome always felt very bloated and laggy.
|
| I then tried sway because I wanted to see if Wayland was any
| better performance and was not very impressed, although it just
| might be a configuration issue, the out of the box experience was
| just not good. And I wasn't in the tinkering mood anymore.
|
| I installed cosmic and everything just worked. It felt snappy, no
| weird lags, nice but not too slow animations, even a build in
| window manager that was close enough to i3 that I no longer need
| sway or i3.
|
| Notification, Display Management, Login, Autolaunching apps,
| Window Management etc. everything finally feels like a full
| operating system the way I have never experienced linux before.
| Maybe Ubuntu or Mint came close, but those came with their own
| troubles.
| writebetterc wrote:
| Why should we care about the COSMIC Desktop Environment?
|
| Edit: I've now gotten 2 downvotes in 4 minutes. I do not
| understand what's so controversial about this comment. Why should
| we care about having a third DE? Does this matter to users at
| all? I've watched several videos show casing it, and there seems
| to be no point to it except organizational (Pop OS wants to break
| free from GNOME).
| spicyusername wrote:
| Pro-tip: These are inside thoughts, no need to comment, just
| have the thought and move along.
| writebetterc wrote:
| Sorry, I don't see it that way.
| maleldil wrote:
| Which is why you were downvoted.
| charcircuit wrote:
| Not being able to question large investments is not a healthy
| perspective. And as this is the first public release with
| Cosmic, I think it's completely fair for people to question
| it.
| timeon wrote:
| Sure but there was not much in that question.
| jamesnorden wrote:
| Who is "we". But to answer your question, it was created
| because System76 didn't find an existing DE that met their
| needs even after extensive changes to them.
| graynk wrote:
| Because there are a number of existing frustrations with GNOME
| that can not be fixed in GNOME, because GNOME Foundation has
| their own specific vision, which not a lot of people like.
|
| KDE is good but has its own flaws, and it's a different
| workflow
| array_key_first wrote:
| IMO KDE is not a different workflow. You can easily recreate
| all of gnome in KDE.
|
| So, just use KDE.
| BaardFigur wrote:
| Tried KDE. I very much prefer Gnome with extensions
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Can KDE do dynamic workspaces now? That was one of the
| nicer things about GNOME last time I used it
| phkahler wrote:
| Your comment could have been posted under almost ANY story on
| HN. "Why should we care about .... ?" In other words, it's a
| very low value comment as far as discussion goes. If you don't
| care about it move on, nobody said you had to care.
| plasticsurgery wrote:
| Perfectly valid question. I remember Ubuntu getting lost down a
| rabbit hole of their touch screen desktop wm that had soo many
| warts. I guess if you don't have the power to steer a project
| you fork or try something else. Then realise you neither have
| the UI chops or technical finesse to pull something off.
| Windows has been atrocious UI wise since Win 8, failed to pull
| anything off cohesively and just left a mess. Much like Ubuntu,
| but with what you would expect a well funded dedicated UI team.
|
| UIs generally sick in Linux with the exception of the shell.
| And even that could be sexed up hugely.
|
| The best thing about AI tools for me is that they make up for
| shortcomings in the UI and have become a very important go-
| between for me.
| palata wrote:
| I had to check, so for the record: Pop OS is an Ubuntu-based
| Linux distro.
| monooso wrote:
| Just to be clear, the news here is that Pop OS now uses the
| Cosmic DE (which just reached beta).
|
| Unlike the previous Pop OS DE, Cosmic DE is not tied to a
| particular distro. For example, there's an official Fedora Spin
| [1].
|
| [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/spins/cosmic
| ok123456 wrote:
| No snaps by default. So it fixes Canonical's folly.
| spicyusername wrote:
| Tiling support is such a killer feature.
| qludes wrote:
| Don't both gnome and kde also have tiling support?
| specproc wrote:
| Gnome via extensions, but not natively. I've never really
| clicked with any of them. Not sure about KDE.
| qludes wrote:
| Plasma has at least basic tiling support for different
| workspaces and reasonable default hotkeys to arrange your
| windows.
|
| https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.4.0/
| specproc wrote:
| Nice. I'm sat on Gnome like a basic again, as I got tired
| of fucking around with dotfiles and deciding what sort of
| login manager defines me as a person.
|
| Had been thinking of giving KDE another whirl, but now
| Cosmic seems roadworthy, and I could go back to hyprland
| with this Omarchy thing everyone seems so hyped about.
|
| All these choices, such a great time to be a linux user.
| sieep wrote:
| Pop is great & i love what system76 is doing, but the bugs in
| cosmic have had me holding off. I will certainly try again soon.
| OnionBlender wrote:
| Which bugs in particular? I was thinking of installing it on
| another drive.
| tracker1 wrote:
| Can't speak for GP, but in the 5-6 months or so I've been
| using it, most of my issues have been with keyboard
| navigation breaking or not working in some of the apps. It's
| gotten better with regular updates though and has been pretty
| solid. Other stability issues seem to have been deeper as
| since switching to a mainline kernel install (6.16.x) I
| haven't noticed any deep issues.
|
| Pop has kept kernel updates well ahead of Ubuntu though, I
| just switched sooner than they seem to have.
| sieep wrote:
| it doesn't seem to handle multiple monitors very gracefully
| yet, at least when I used it & on my setup. Felt a little bit
| slower than gnome and less stable across the board.
|
| For example, the top-bar UI doesn't render certain app icons
| properly, which was driving me crazy. Maybe it's a
| settings/config thing. My opinion is if cosmic isn't a drop-
| in replacement for gnome with extra bells and whistles, im
| not going to use it.
|
| For all I know, it could be a lot better than gnome at this
| point. But for a daily driver that I'm working in, I need the
| stability of gnome over the 'cool factor' of cosmic.
|
| I really liked the direction it is heading and will be using
| it eventually. Worth installing and trying out!
| curioussquirrel wrote:
| I've moved over to hyprland but Cosmic is a pretty good upgrade
| from Gnome already in my opinion. Great to see so many viable
| desktop environments!
| oguz-ismail wrote:
| > 24.04 LTS Beta
|
| It's almost 2026. Yeesh
| smallerfish wrote:
| Yeah the version numbering is a mistake. They should version
| based on their release, not the underlying base.
| honeybadger1 wrote:
| Cosmic is coming along so well, worked with their PM team when it
| was pre-alpha on validations and the project still excites me.
| mirekrusin wrote:
| Shame there is no ARM64 ISO.
| TylerLives wrote:
| I've had issues with Nvidia drivers on a fresh install. Couldn't
| get my PC to boot, similar to what is described here -
| https://youtu.be/ICXjcnhW5qc
| moondev wrote:
| The killer feature of Pop for me is nvidia drivers baked into the
| live ISO. Live boot to nvidia-smi without touching the disk is
| really handy.
| akdev1l wrote:
| Universal Blue has this too
| qwertox wrote:
| > Dragging and Dropping files from Wayland apps to X11 apps is
| not currently supported.
|
| I assume that this is a Wayland/X11 limitation.
|
| How is Linux supposed to beat Windows if the desktop is so
| broken? Microsoft breaking their Windows 11 desktop more and more
| seems to be the only hope.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| Works in KDE just fine
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| Which implies that it's one of those things that DEs need to
| provide. So to answer OP's question, the answer is: With lots
| of custom, non-standard code. And who knows, if the world
| continues in this X11/Wayland duopoly, maybe one interop API
| will become standardized.
| array_key_first wrote:
| The desktop is literally not broken at all.
|
| This is already standardized, there's already multiple
| implementations, and it works in all major desktop
| environments.
|
| This is a brand new DE that just got out of alpha.
|
| Its not gonna implement all protocols, because duh. Let's not
| be melodramatic.
|
| This happens literally every time something new happens on
| Linux. "Oh it's so fucked and broken and Linux sucks!!"
|
| Okay, it's new. There are mature options. Use a mature option.
| This is how things have always worked for all ecosystems.
| pathartl wrote:
| The fragmentation is a huge reason the desktop experience is
| broken. The only UI that's actually consistent across all
| distros and works pretty damn well is the TUI.
| reppap wrote:
| I've been daily driving Gnome on Fedora for years and
| literally nothing about it is broken. We're having very
| different experiences.
| doubled112 wrote:
| In GNOME, can you drag and drop from the archive manager
| into your file manager yet?
| ok123456 wrote:
| This is solved by using X11.
| dxxvi wrote:
| It's Sep 2025. Why is the 24.04 LTS still at Beta?
| al_borland wrote:
| I think it's related to what is mentioned in this blog post.
|
| https://blog.system76.com/post/closing-in-on-a-cosmic-alpha
|
| > The official release of COSMIC DE will debut on Pop!_OS 24.04
| LTS, which will be based on Ubuntu 24.04 LTS. Running and
| testing on 24.04 gets us closer to a final, polished release.
|
| It seems it's because Cosmic development is being based on
| Ubuntu 24.04, so it's more about that base than the date of the
| Pop_OS release.
| SSLy wrote:
| Do you think that they'll rebase for the soon coming 26.04?
| adgjlsfhk1 wrote:
| probably.
| sheerun wrote:
| This was long awaited thing, very good!
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| Pop was my last Distro before I went to Endeavour (Arch), it
| wasn't anything against Pop, I just ran into a weird issue where
| I needed a more up to date GBLIC for some software I was trying
| to run (to add insult to injury, it was a Ubuntu package too). I
| am really excited by the work they do, if I'm ever shopping for a
| Non-Mac Laptop in the near future I'm strongly leaning towards
| buying a System76 laptop since I love what they do.
|
| Their desktop environment was nice, though I always run back to
| KDE, even now I'm on KDE on Endeavour, I gave Budgie a try again
| which is another one I really enjoyed for Ubuntu but KDE has
| enough bells and whistles that I always miss, especially its
| window management stuff. I did try OpenBox and company but too
| much manual setup required. I want OOTB experiences that just
| work without hassle.
|
| I am interested that they've been working on a Text Editor, I saw
| it on their GitHub, and hopefully it will be nicely polished.
|
| One thing I loved about ElementaryOS (Ubuntu based as well) was
| the built-in custom Text Editor they made, it was nice and fast,
| and did everything I wanted, and looked gorgeous. I'm hoping they
| do similar with their Text Editor.
| jamesponddotco wrote:
| No secure boot support? Still?
| dmart wrote:
| Wow, reordering workspaces with the mouse! This is a small thing
| that has been driving me insane on GNOME coming from macOS.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| if you're on the alpha, does it update to the beta when you apt
| update?
| junga wrote:
| Yes it does. We could argue if it's update or upgrade, but I
| think it's clear what you mean.
| adverbly wrote:
| So excited for this! I'm on 22.04 but I've been watching this
| closely.
|
| I love stable things so I might still wait for this to get out of
| beta, but I love that it's making progress! Maybe in time for
| 2026.04 LTS?
|
| Excited to desktop swap again!
| tracker1 wrote:
| I've been running the alpha for about 6 months at this point...
| it's been relatively solid, but there's been a few rough edges
| (mostly around keyboard navigation in the apps). Most of what I
| expect to work is now working without issue. I've also been
| running a mainline 6.16 kernel, for better gpu support (RX
| 9070XT).
|
| I've got no idea on where Accessibility lands right now though...
| At least in terms of screen readers. As I've been having vision
| issues even beyond using very large monitors I've had to rely on
| zoom features in apps/browsers. It's generally been a better
| experience than some of the rougher edges of Windows at work. I
| need to figure out if/how to scale RDP sessions.
| coastalpuma wrote:
| I think this is amazing work and I'm looking forward to trying it
| out and maybe adopting long term, but I can't help but think
| they're selling themselves short with the default theme.
| Personally find the electric blue pretty grating. Would be nice
| to see more examples of "calm" theming with more neutral tones,
| or even a preset alternative default for that.
| kylecazar wrote:
| Long time Pop user -- I've been eagerly following Cosmic's
| development for over a year. I resisted the temptation of the
| alphas, and know how I'll be spending my evening.
|
| Congrats to the devs. It's a significant achievement.
| exabrial wrote:
| My next laptop will be a system76 no matter what... But
| pleeeeeease come out with a high-perf ARM model!!
| dmix wrote:
| Linux is always so much further ahead of Apple on window
| management.
| CharlesW wrote:
| Reading through this thread, I've never been happier with macOS
| as my daily driver. I don't think or worry about my OS at all,
| other than being reminded on HN how terrible it is.
| dev1ycan wrote:
| I'm not a UI/UX designer but I feel like in general, Linux
| community need to put a LOT more focus into the GUI frameworks.
|
| What is the fundamental thing that makes a Windows version feel
| like a new Windows version? It's not a different control panel or
| basica taskbar animations (although it helps), it's mundane
| things like how the borders of the buttons look, animations,
| transitions, loading bars so on and so on...
|
| It all boils down to Winforms/UWP/WinUI and others for Windows
| and GTK/QT for Linux...
|
| To this day Winform in windows gives me a sense of peace,
| something about the way the UI looks just looks "solid"... even
| when a lot of it is outdated, UWP was terrible while WinUI 3 is
| sleek and modern, although it does feel less robust I just can't
| pinpoint the reason exactly.
|
| For Linux I don't know exactly what it is but I am almost sure
| GTK/QT are responsible, I have yet to use a linux distro that
| manages to give me the "feel" of solidness that let's say the
| Windows 7 UI gave me, it's not really about how smooth your
| animations is, it's that when I open a file explorer or the
| control panel it just doesn't feel "there".
|
| I how can it be that so many decades keep passing and Linux still
| feels like a pre alpha UI compared to Windows versions of the
| early 2000s? I just took a look at a youtube video of the beta
| and I keep seeing distros focus on the wrong things, also can we
| at LEAST bring back the chrome/aero/real button feel of the
| "start menu" buttons? the PopOS start menu button looks very
| unserious... I guess it's just me though.
|
| I understand that there's a lack of funding but it wouldn't
| surprise me if a really good UI framework design came around
| Linux would suddenly start seeing much higher adoption.
| outlore wrote:
| First time Linux explorer here; does anyone know how Fedora
| Atomic Cosmic fares against Pop OS?
| acomjean wrote:
| I can't say much about fedora But pop os is not bleeding edge
| or glitzy. It's kind of a workhorse distribution. I like
| Pop!os, despite its strange name.
|
| I've used it pre installed at work/ home and installed on a
| work machine to get the nvidia card working after being unable
| with the original Ubuntu OS. Pop is basically Ubuntu so
| software that works on Ubuntu works on pop. It's pretty bullet
| proof.
|
| The "pop shop" (oddly named installer program where you don't
| spend money) has a lot of the open source applications with one
| click install.
|
| I think both Fedora and Popos can be run via usb stick if you
| want to try them out.
| wwweston wrote:
| Anyone have this (or another linux distro) working with an nvidia
| rtx 5060?
| Uehreka wrote:
| I've been using Pop OS for several years and really like it.
| However while I think it's cool that they're doing some
| innovative DE stuff, the fact that it has come at such a huge
| cost to the stability of the OS is extremely frustrating.
|
| I've been stuck on 22.04 for almost the entire 24.04 cycle at
| this point, and I occasionally have weird display issues or other
| bugs that I know are not going to get fixed.
|
| At this point my hope is that Cosmic may be stable enough to
| release as 26.04, since from what I've been hearing it sounds
| like the beta still has a lot of rough edges.
|
| I think I would be a lot less salty if they'd just explicitly
| called a mulligan on 24.04 back in early or mid 2024. I could've
| made an informed decision to switch to an Ubuntu flavor with
| slightly rockier Nvidia drivers support while I waited until
| 26.04 to rejoin Pop OS. But instead they just kept drip feeding
| PR updates saying that it was "coming soon!", even though it was
| probably clear to folks working on it that they were over a year
| away.
|
| Edit: To explain why I think it was clear to folks working on the
| project: I recently went back to look at the Alpha announcements
| from late last year. I wasn't going to run an Alpha, so I didn't
| read them in depth, but in those announcements they announce that
| they are BEGINNING work on a media player, which was available in
| a WIP state in the Alpha. If they were BEGINNING work on the
| media player in late 2024, then they probably could've said in
| April 2024 (when they hadn't even started on it) that this was
| going to take at least another year.
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