[HN Gopher] MCP: An (Accidentally) Universal Plugin System
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       MCP: An (Accidentally) Universal Plugin System
        
       Author : azhenley
       Score  : 150 points
       Date   : 2025-08-10 12:53 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | cranberryturkey wrote:
       | checkout my MCP server platform:
       | https://github.com/profullstack/mcp-server
       | 
       | I built it and have added several modules, but I'm always looking
       | for people to add more modules. See ./mcp_modules in the root
       | folder.
        
         | fxwin wrote:
         | I'll be honest i read your repository's README.md and still
         | have no idea what this is supposed to be. The tagline sounds
         | like it's for implementing MCP servers, but the endpoints
         | specified further down aren't part of MCP but something more
         | specific (to MCPs serving a language model? Why would we serve
         | them like that?)
         | 
         | Also doesn't really seem to relate to the OP beside the term
         | 'MCP' in the title
        
           | cranberryturkey wrote:
           | It's a framework for building mcp servers.
        
             | fxwin wrote:
             | Then the "Examples" section should include a "How to build
             | a simple MCP server using this framework" section. Instead,
             | it contains an example for an "MCP client" (however the
             | implementation has little to do with what the MCP spec says
             | a client does), and an "example of a custom module for the
             | MCP server" (which MCP server? we haven't built one yet),
             | which (after checking implementation) does not conform to
             | the MCP spec for tools (see https://modelcontextprotocol.io
             | /specification/2025-06-18/ser...).
             | 
             | Unless I'm missing something, this has very little to
             | nothing to do with MCP.
        
               | cranberryturkey wrote:
               | I implemented some changes, it works now. you can test it
               | out at https://mcp.profullstack.com
        
       | eitland wrote:
       | How long before companies start closing this "loophole"?
       | 
       | And with the cynicism out of the way, what an insightful and
       | refreshing article!
        
         | ecocentrik wrote:
         | If MPC develops as an open standard and this "loophole" gains
         | enough popularity, then companies can only really limit access
         | to their services. This seems like a generally good thing that
         | will enhance automation. In some cases it doesn't really matter
         | if the automation comes from agents, hard coded software or a
         | combination of the two.
        
         | cube00 wrote:
         | I wouldn't call it cynicism.
         | 
         | Web services started as the same open utopia. Once everyone was
         | in they jacked up the prices so high it killed the initial
         | consumer apps (eg. Google Maps and Reddit)
         | 
         | Nobody is giving access to their walled garden for the good of
         | open-anything. It's what the VCs and stockholders demand and
         | they're the ones putting up the cash to keep this AI hype
         | funded in spite of it running at a loss.
         | 
         | Given they haven't put security into MCP yet, I guess they'll
         | need to do that first before they move on reinventing API keys
         | so they can charge for access and hailing that as the next
         | reason the line will go up.
        
         | dragonwriter wrote:
         | Some remote MCPs will get locked down to know client endpoints,
         | same as any other HTTP service, so if companies are really
         | concerned about them being AI-use-only and don't mind cutting
         | off some AI use to preserve that exclusivity, they'll lock it
         | down to the big known hosted AI frontends (assuming those end
         | up supporting MCP; the only one I know of that does currently
         | is ChatGPT Deep Research, and only for very limited shapes of
         | servers.)
         | 
         | OTOH, that only effects those services, it won't stop people
         | from leveraging MCP as, say, a generic local plugin model for
         | non-AI apps.
        
       | shredprez wrote:
       | Has anyone tried Basement's typed xmcp framework [1]? I rolled my
       | own mcp server implementation earlier this summer and it works
       | but it's very basic.
       | 
       | I'm considering migrating, but time is limited and I'd love to
       | avoid a dead-end if I can :p
       | 
       | [1] https://github.com/basementstudio/xmcp
        
       | behnamoh wrote:
       | Is it just me who absolutely hates this much hype around AI while
       | still getting value from AI models? I get it, MCP is useful, but
       | it's neither new nor safe and well thought-out. It feels like
       | everyone now has to write a mandatory MCP article...
        
         | cube00 wrote:
         | > It feels like everyone now has to write a mandatory MCP
         | article...
         | 
         | Like this one you can bet every blogspam article is also trying
         | to push something...
         | 
         | > The Part Where I Tell You I'm Building Something
        
       | 827a wrote:
       | > MCP thinks it's for giving context to AI models. But really?
       | It's just a really good protocol for making things talk to other
       | things.
       | 
       | MCP has very little utility outside of LLMs. The article begins
       | by saying "but what if we remove the AI", then goes back on that
       | thesis by saying "but if there was an AI between these things,
       | then it becomes a universal plugin system". Which is true, but
       | its missing the critical bit: The AI itself is the universal
       | plugin system, not MCP. And, beyond that, its not even the AI:
       | Its natural language. Language is the universal plugin system.
       | 
       | Its not unbelievable that there exists an alternate reality where
       | the Anthropic researchers that invented MCP instead simply
       | leveraged a slightly extended form of OpenAPI specs. The only
       | functional difference is that MCP was a stdin/stdout format
       | first, and added HTTPS later, but sister problems in this domain
       | like LSP just skipped stdin/stdout and went straight to locally-
       | hosted HTTPS anyway. What matters isn't MCP, OpenAPI, or anything
       | like that; what matters is the LLM itself, its tool calling
       | capability, and the tool calling harness. The catalogue of
       | available tools can be in any format; and, truly, the LLM does
       | not care what format its in.
        
         | ethan_smith wrote:
         | MCP's key innovation isn't the format but its unidirectional,
         | stateless design pattern that makes it fundamentally easier to
         | implement than bidirectional protocols like OpenAPI, which is
         | why it's gaining traction as a universal connector beyond just
         | LLM contexts.
        
           | 827a wrote:
           | I really don't know where you're coming from with that
           | statement.
           | 
           | 1. No one asserted that MCP's key innovation was its format.
           | In fact, what I strongly, almost explicitly implied with my
           | previous comment is that MCP has made no key innovations
           | beyond its marketing system (which does matter and has forced
           | a lot of companies who would never have operated in this
           | space to make an MCP system, and that is good. I like MCP.).
           | 
           | 2. MCP is fundamentally bidirectional, not unidirectional.
           | Its a schematized request-response protocol that defines a
           | ton of the same primitives that OpenAPI defines, like
           | available RPC methods, authorization, request parameters, and
           | response schemas [1]. Of course, OpenAPI goes beyond that
           | into HTTP-specific characteristics like status codes, and MCP
           | goes beyond that into LLM-specific characteristics like a
           | prompt catalogue.
           | 
           | 3. I'm not aware of any problem domain outside of LLMs that
           | is adopting MCP. In fact, its adoption even within the world
           | of LLMs has been lackluster at best [2].
           | 
           | [1] https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/learn/architecture#d
           | ata...
           | 
           | [2] https://modelcontextprotocol.io/clients
        
         | radixdiaboli wrote:
         | > but if there was an AI between these things, then it becomes
         | a universal plugin system
         | 
         | I've reread the article a couple times and I can't see where it
         | says that you need to use an LLM to make it universal. I'm
         | going to go so far as to say that it _doesn 't_ say that.
        
           | 827a wrote:
           | I agree, the article does explicitly say that; the thesis of
           | the article and the information it presents to support that
           | thesis are entirely at odds. That's what I'd argue this is a
           | poor article, just an advertisement for the world's eighty-
           | sixth todo app; yet it keeps getting re-posted here.
        
         | moduspol wrote:
         | And even then: the key value of MCP is that it's "simplified."
         | Few servers are implementing anything you couldn't already do
         | for years with their REST APIs.
         | 
         | And why? Because it dumbs it down to the point that the LLM can
         | understand it (often, in part, by removing security concerns).
         | But these are LLMs! They're supposed to be smart! Isn't it a
         | supposedly temporary failure that I can't just point the LLM at
         | an OpenAPI spec (or use HATEOAS) and be good to go?
         | 
         | Will this be doable in the next few months with better models?
         | If so, why bother with MCP? If this won't be doable in the next
         | few months / years, then how smart do we really expect these
         | LLMs to be?
        
           | 827a wrote:
           | I think that's an extreme characterization. Existing AIs are
           | intelligent enough to be able to form immediately executable
           | API requests based on the content of an OpenAPI schema.
           | OpenAPI defines everything they need; endpoint names, human
           | descriptions, arguments, authorization, etc. With proper
           | prompting and a well designed harness, which MCP also needs,
           | it would have solved the problem. Conversely: MCP doesn't
           | really have much over OpenAPI in the domain of helping LLMs
           | identify which tools to call; it has tool names, tool
           | descriptions, input parameters, and that's basically it.
           | OpenAPI has all that.
           | 
           | The reason why MCP was invented is hard to reverse-engineer,
           | but from what I've seen I suspect its mostly: it was
           | stdio/stdout first, and there isn't really a great standard
           | like OpenAPI in the local-first stdio/stdout world.
           | Interesting, LSP (Microsoft) took the opposite approach;
           | despite having far less reason to be hosted on the web, LSP
           | is just localhost http calls. MCP could have done that, but
           | they didn't, without good reason, which leads me to the
           | second reason why I suspect it was invented: they didn't
           | know, and thus couldn't learn from prior art that they didn't
           | know. Most of these AI labs are not rigorous engineering
           | shops, they're better characterized as: a bunch of kids with
           | infinite money trying to reignite the spirit of the early
           | internet startup boom. Many believe that what they're
           | building will replace everything, so why even try to build on
           | what already exists?
           | 
           | But why it was invented doesn't matter, because anyone can
           | invent anything. The reason why MCP has gotten _popular_ is
           | because its AI. That 's it. Its a marketing and SEO system
           | that enables companies who are otherwise struggling to find a
           | way to prioritize AI use-cases for their apps to say "look,
           | we're AI now". You don't get the same market impact if all
           | you need is that boring old OpenAPI schema you already have.
           | 
           | And again: I like MCP. What I stated sounds pessimistic, but
           | its only intended to be realistic. There is almost zero
           | technical reason for MCP to exist beyond that.
        
         | dragonwriter wrote:
         | > then goes back on that thesis by saying "but if there was an
         | AI between these things, then it becomes a universal plugin
         | system".
         | 
         | This is neither an accurate quote of the article, nor an
         | accurate paraphrase of something the article says, nor an
         | accurate description of something subtly implied by the article
         | without directly being said.
         | 
         | The article, in fact, gives an example without AI in the
         | middle.
        
       | do_anh_tu wrote:
       | I think MCP is awesome, mainly because it forces devs to design
       | the simplest possible tools/APIs/functions so even an average-
       | performance LLM can use them correctly to get things done.
       | 
       | As developers, we often want everything to be rich, verbose, and
       | customizable -- but the reality is that for most users (and now
       | for AIs acting on their behalf), simplicity wins every time. It's
       | like designing a great UI: the fewer ways you can get lost, the
       | more people (or models) can actually use it productively.
       | 
       | If MCP ends up nudging the ecosystem toward small, well-defined,
       | composable capabilities, that's a win far beyond just "AI
       | integration."
        
         | nlawalker wrote:
         | Totally agree - the true source of all of the value here is the
         | new incentive to write very simple services with very simple
         | documentation and to make that documentation easily
         | discoverable.
         | 
         | It fills a gap that exists in most service documentation: an
         | easily discoverable page for developers (specifically, those
         | who already know how to use their ecosystem of choice's HTTP
         | APIs) that has a very short list of the service's most
         | fundamental functionality with a simplified specification _so
         | they can go and play around with it_.
        
         | brookst wrote:
         | I don't like MCP because it relies on good faith from the
         | plugin provider. It works great in closed, trusted environments
         | but it cannot scale across trust boundaries.
         | 
         | It just begs for spam and fraud, with badly-behaving services
         | advertising lowest-cost, highest-quality, totally amazing
         | services. It feels like the web circa 1995... lots of implicit
         | trust that isn't sustainable.
        
         | croes wrote:
         | Too bad that the S in MCP stands for security
        
       | giantrobot wrote:
       | I love that MCP servers are rediscovering the old idea of public
       | web APIs mash-ups from the early days of Web 2.0. Of course we
       | don't need any icky XML with its namespace and schemas. Just some
       | vibe-heavy JSON.
       | 
       | Snark aside it's, autonomous agents were one of the more
       | interesting justifications for web APIs back in the day. I don't
       | think people necessarily envisioned LLMs but _some_ sort of agent
       | you could send off to grab data or book flights or whatever.
       | Specs like WSDL do what MCP does today letting the autonomous
       | system figure out how to use a service.
       | 
       | Oh well, schemas and the ability to do browser-native style
       | transforms were lame! Lets transition to YAML so no one can say
       | "no" to Norway.
        
       | turlockmike wrote:
       | MCP is just JSON rpc with one useful command (list-tools). Turns
       | out that's probably all we ever needed.
        
         | derwiki wrote:
         | WSDL has entered the chat
        
       | crazygringo wrote:
       | Previous discussion (43 days ago, 355 comments):
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44404905
        
       | _pdp_ wrote:
       | The way the function is described to the LLM matter. Even when
       | the parameters are the same and the effect is the same the title
       | and description can fundamentally influence how the task is
       | performed.
       | 
       | The other issue is that you cannot think of MCP servers as
       | universal pluggable systems that can fit into every use-case with
       | minimal wrapping. Real world scenarios require pulling a lot of
       | tricks. Caching can be done at higher or lower level depending on
       | the use-case. Communication of different information from the MCP
       | server also is different depending on the use-case (should we
       | replace these long IDs for shorter IDs that are automatically
       | translated to longer ones). Should we automatically tinyurl all
       | the links to reduce hallucination? Which operations can be
       | effectively solved with pure algorithms (compress 2-3 operations
       | into one) because doing this with LLMs is not only error-prone
       | but also not optimal (imagine using LLM to grep for strings in
       | many files one by one using tool calls rather than using grep to
       | search for strings - not the same)
       | 
       | There are so many things to consider. MCP is nice abstraction but
       | it is not a silver bullet.
       | 
       | Speaking from experience with actual customers and real use-case.
        
       | pjmlp wrote:
       | Everyone keeps rediscovering OS IPC extensions via RPC.
       | 
       | Not only that, apparently we finally got Jini and Agent Tcl back!
       | 
       | https://www.usenix.org/conference/fourth-annual-usenix-tcltk...
       | 
       | https://www.eetimes.com/jini-basics-interrelating-with-java/
        
       | gtirloni wrote:
       | Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44846871
        
       | nnnnico wrote:
       | how does this hypeblog spam keep getting to the top?
        
         | th0ma5 wrote:
         | This community has no ability to separate researched
         | information from conjecture, and especially on this topic since
         | neural nets are a black box where we can never know if any
         | behavior is fully intentional or not.
        
         | arrowsmith wrote:
         | People don't read the article, they just comment based on the
         | title. In that respect HN is no different from Reddit.
        
       | sexyman48 wrote:
       | _I 'm a well-designed hole. Put something here._
       | 
       | You asked for it.
        
       | cowmix wrote:
       | I'm just getting into MCP (building my own server and trying some
       | canned ones), and one thing I've noticed -- some servers seem to
       | devour your context window before you've even typed a single
       | token / question.
       | 
       | My favorite example is the public Atlassian one --
       | https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/remote-mcp-serv...
       | 
       | Even with Claude or Gemini CLI (both with generous limits), I run
       | out of context and resources fast.
       | 
       | With local LLMs via LM Studio? Forget it -- almost any model will
       | tap out before I can get even a simple question in.
        
         | jjani wrote:
         | Love how the MCPs mimic the company they represent in that
         | sense.
        
           | cowmix wrote:
           | Heh.. this comment made my day.
        
           | catlifeonmars wrote:
           | Conway's law in action?
        
         | markerz wrote:
         | MCPs are the most basic solution possible. Shoving the tool
         | definitions into a vector store and having a subagent search
         | for relevant tools, then another subagent to run the tools
         | would greatly reduce impact on context. I think it'd work in
         | theory, but it's so annoying to have to do something like this.
         | We're still in a world where we have some building blocks
         | rather than full fledged toolboxes.
        
           | dragonwriter wrote:
           | > MCPs are the most basic solution possible. Shoving the tool
           | definitions into a vector store and having a subagent search
           | for relevant tools, then another subagent to run the tools
           | would greatly reduce impact on context.
           | 
           | That's a toolchain design approach that is independent of
           | MCPs. A toolchain using MCP could do that and there would be
           | no need for any special support in the protocol.
        
         | dragonwriter wrote:
         | Most UIs currently are unsophisticated and let you turn on or
         | off the tools on server-by-server basis. For some large servers
         | (especially if they act as aggrgeators) this approach isn't
         | going to be desirable and you are going to want to select
         | individual tools to activate, not servers. But that's a UI
         | issue more than a protocol issue.
        
           | jngiam1 wrote:
           | We've been thinking that an intermediate (virtual) server
           | layer might be helpful here. Actively working on something to
           | solve that now and looking for feedback, please reach out if
           | interested.
        
         | jameshart wrote:
         | There's very little actual engineering going in to designing
         | MCP interfaces to actually efficiently work with the way LLM
         | workflows actually operate. Many MCPs offer tools that allow an
         | LLM to retrieve a list of 'things that exist' with the
         | expectation the LLM will then pick something out of that list
         | for further action with a different tool. There's very little
         | evidence that LLMs are actually good at using tools that work
         | like that, and massive lists of 'things that exist' eat tokens
         | and context.
         | 
         | Many businesses are rushing to put out _something that fits the
         | MCP standard_ but not taking the time to produce _something
         | that lets an LLM achieve things with their tool_.
        
           | whattheheckheck wrote:
           | All new models are probably trained to understand the tool
           | use paradigm
        
             | jameshart wrote:
             | They're trained in using tools that take actions (like
             | sending an email) and tools that retrieve information (like
             | pulling down a Wikipedia article), yes. The specific
             | pattern I see in a lot of SaaS MCPs though is _tools for
             | traversing a database_ which is not really either of those
             | things.
        
           | ncallaway wrote:
           | > Many businesses are rushing to put out something that fits
           | the MCP standard but not taking the time to produce something
           | that lets an LLM achieve things with their tool
           | 
           | I think they'll have a while where they can get away with
           | this approach too. For a good while, most people will
           | probably blame the AI or the model if it doesn't use
           | Atlassian tools well. It'll probably be quite some time
           | before people start to notice that Atlassian specifically
           | doesn't work well, but the almost all their other tools do.
           | 
           | (More technical users might notice sooner--obviously, given
           | the context of this thread--but I mean enough of a broader
           | user base noticing to have reputational impact)
        
         | britannio wrote:
         | I discovered the "Layered Tool Pattern" a few days ago which
         | exposes three tools to discover and execute an arbitrary number
         | of service endpoints. https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/build-
         | mcp-tools-like-ogre...
        
       | Alex_L_Wood wrote:
       | The more I look into MCP, the less I understand the hype. It's an
       | OK API that describes how to fetch list of tools and resources
       | and retrieve them, somehow this is supposed to be the standard
       | for AI and environment communication, and...that's it? Am I
       | missing something vital there?
        
         | baobun wrote:
         | The emperor is indeed naked.
        
       | belter wrote:
       | MCP "universal plugin system" claims are oversold. It is really
       | just a standardized tool calling for AI agents. If you are not
       | building agents that need to dynamically discover and choose
       | tools, traditional APIs are simpler and better.
       | 
       | The "system integration" benefits only matter when you have an
       | LLM in the loop making decisions about which tools to use.
        
       | theusus wrote:
       | MCP has barely given me satisfactory results. LLMs just keep
       | fighting with it and fill up a lot of their context.
        
         | dragonwriter wrote:
         | > MCP has barely given me satisfactory results.
         | 
         | It's done a good job for me with the tools I've written and
         | connected to LM Studio. I suspect the issue with whether you
         | get satisfactory results is less about MCP _qua_ MCP and more
         | about particular servers and tools.
        
       | ricardobeat wrote:
       | Made a similar comment [1] a while back. Universal, open APIs
       | might be one of the best things to come out of this AI wave.
       | 
       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44405187
        
       | CobrastanJorji wrote:
       | This is Web 2.0. You're in the process of rediscovering mashups.
       | Before it was SOAP and REST/HTTP and now it's...well, it's still
       | kind of REST/HTTP because MCP is JSON-RPC. There was this brief,
       | beautiful period where every "learn to code" book ended with a
       | couple of chapters of how to make your app do google searches and
       | throw the results into a word graph or something before all the
       | big tech companies locked that sort of access down.
       | 
       | Weirdly, I'm a little optimistic that it might work this time. AI
       | is hot, which means that suddenly we don't care about IP anymore,
       | and if AIs are the ones that are mostly using this protocol,
       | providers will perhaps be in less of a rush to block everybody
       | from doing cool things.
        
         | torginus wrote:
         | _They_ don 't care about using _your_ IP rights, I doubt it
         | also works the other way around.
        
         | fmbb wrote:
         | Web 2.0 was also hot.
        
         | madrox wrote:
         | You're totally right, and that's why I think this era will
         | fail.
         | 
         | Web 2.0 failed because eventually people realized to make money
         | they needed to serve ads, and to do that they needed to own the
         | UI. Making it easy to exfiltrate data meant switching cost was
         | low, too. Can't have that when you're trying to squeeze value
         | out of users. Look at the evolution of the twitter API over the
         | 2.0 era. That was entirely motivated by Twitter's desperate
         | need to make money through ads.
         | 
         | Only way we avoid that future is if we figure out new business
         | models, but I doubt that will happen. Ads are too lucrative and
         | people too resistant to pay for things.
        
           | calvinmorrison wrote:
           | why cant i serve ads thru my mcp?
        
             | vineyardmike wrote:
             | Obviously it's possible. And just like the early internet
             | ad networks...
             | 
             | You can't guarantee they'll be shown and interpreted
             | correct by the downstream LLM, you can't guarantee
             | attribution later when a user makes a purchase, you can't
             | collect (as much) data on users for targeting, etc
             | 
             | The biggest ad networks today (Google, Meta) have strong
             | first party data operations, strong first party attribution
             | techniques, and strong targeting, either through intent
             | (search) or profiles (meta).
             | 
             | MCP originated ads really only threaten Google (via intent
             | based ads), and they're quickly moving I to owning the UX
             | of LLMs, securing their place in this value chain.
        
           | jes5199 wrote:
           | ads really aren't all that lucrative, though, they're just
           | simple. I worked for a company that was trying to figure out
           | an alternative to ad revenue (we failed) and our people did
           | some research and the average internet user ends up being
           | shown (if I remember correctly) like $60/month of ads, total.
        
             | xp84 wrote:
             | That's not surprising and is also so depressing. Imagine
             | what the Internet would be like if there were zero ads and
             | zero of the dark patterns that they essentially force every
             | web site operator to engage in. And all for sixty measly
             | bucks a month that we'd spend in microtransactions or
             | subscriptions or whatever. :(
        
               | eastbound wrote:
               | It's an average, you can't just charge everyone in the
               | world and have an ad-free worldwide internet. About 2
               | billion of internet users are probably worth 0.60$ pm
               | while 200m are worth 600$ of ads pm.
        
           | im3w1l wrote:
           | People are willing to pay for AI. Some of this money flow
           | could be diverted to the MCP provider.
        
             | jfim wrote:
             | In practice it'll just mean that each MCP provider will
             | have API tokens and it'll be even harder to lock down
             | spending than AWS. Maybe companies will need to have a
             | company wide system prompt to pretty please don't use the
             | expensive APIs too much.
        
         | 1659447091 wrote:
         | Did you mean this is Web 3.0? (semantic web)
         | 
         | Where the goal was to have a site's data as machine readable so
         | that could be mashed up into something new? Instead of making
         | it easier to gather the big sites locked the bulk of their data
         | down so it never gained widespread adoption
         | 
         | Web 2.0 is what we mostly have now -- social, user generated
         | content and interaction
        
           | xp84 wrote:
           | I think 3.0 as a term was taken over by those weird crypto
           | guys with their alternative dns roots and suffixes, that
           | literally no one uses. "Own your domain forever!!*"
           | 
           | * Disclaimer: domain not usable for any purposes except on
           | computers where you have root to install their alternative
           | resolver
        
             | wnevets wrote:
             | > I think 3.0 as a term was taken over by those weird
             | crypto guys
             | 
             | that is certainly what I think of when web 3 is mentioned.
        
           | baobun wrote:
           | Unfortunately (?) there are no real semantics in MCP so it
           | falls short of Semantic Web.
        
             | 1659447091 wrote:
             | Yes, but not in intent. Semantic Web (which was web 3.0
             | before it got meshed into web3 apparently) was meant to
             | open up internet data for new/novel applications and uses.
             | The article appears to be alluding to that very thing via
             | MCP.
             | 
             | While it does fall short of the implementation of the
             | Semantic Web, in a way it makes it a possibility to fulfill
             | its intent without the full buy-in of site owners. There
             | still has to be some buy-in or allowance, otherwise it will
             | be locked down in the near future as some comments are
             | expecting.
        
       | firasd wrote:
       | I've been doing some really fun things with MCP
       | 
       | First of all I think this kind of localhost/stdio MCP is kind of
       | not 'The Way' besides for playing around. I've been working on
       | SSE/remote/cloud-based MCP
       | 
       | Here's a fun example:
       | https://x.com/firasd/status/1945233853414826060
       | 
       | ("my landing page is in a text editor with iframe preview. I ask
       | Claude to edit it--the doc gets transcluded into the AI chat,
       | gets surgically edited. I reload. (All on mobile!)")
       | 
       | I'm working on a starter template like a DevTools MCP that people
       | can deploy on Cloudflare and oAuth with their github account and
       | it provides tools like url_fetch for people to use privately in
       | their AI chats/tools. First I have to figure out the oAuth stuff
       | myself but will make it a public repo after that and post on here
       | 
       | PS. I also think tool use is really underrated and stuff like MCP
       | unlocks a kind of agentic behavior 99% of AI users have never
       | seen.
        
       | stevenhuang wrote:
       | Accidentally? Generic interoperability was the whole point of
       | mcp, it was not an accident.
        
       | revskill wrote:
       | There's nothing about "model" in MCP at all, they're just json
       | rpc ?
        
         | Stwerner wrote:
         | Yep, and the primary transport method is json rpc over stdio
        
         | dragonwriter wrote:
         | The "model context" in MCP refers to the motivating application
         | domain (the resources, tool responses, and prompts it provides
         | all, in that use case, are used to populate the model's
         | context), not the content of the protocol.
        
       | russellbeattie wrote:
       | > _" Your car doesn't care if you're charging a phone or running
       | a personal pizza oven. The hole is the same size. The power is
       | there."_
       | 
       | This is an inadvertently great and amusing analogy, because it
       | shows how people can assume something about an API's capabilities
       | without actually trying it.
       | 
       | A 12V battery car battery can't power a pizza oven. It can barely
       | boil water in a special rice cooker - very very slowly. And it
       | risks depleting the battery and not being able to start your car.
       | 
       | Like a new API, people get excited about what it can do, but the
       | reality is very different.
       | 
       | I have a portable fan with a power bank that charges over USB
       | with a USB-micro plug. For some reason I can't fathom, it's an
       | absolute power hog. I've killed my van's battery using it for
       | just a few hours. (In theory it should be using at max 2.5W, but
       | that's not the point).
       | 
       | Again, that shows how trying to extend an APIs design can have
       | unexpected side effects which tax the system in ways that are
       | hard to predict.
       | 
       | MCP has a lot of excitement around it now, but it will inevitably
       | reach its limits. The lesson is to test your system under load
       | before assuming anything.
        
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