[HN Gopher] A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company e...
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       A message from Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan to all company employees
        
       Author : rntn
       Score  : 90 points
       Date   : 2025-08-08 17:48 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (newsroom.intel.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (newsroom.intel.com)
        
       | rwmj wrote:
       | Does he write this ridiculous verbiage himself or does he have a
       | team of people who "hone" it to this point? This could have been
       | a four sentence email.
        
         | rco8786 wrote:
         | He's the CEO of a multi billion dollar company of course he has
         | a comms team.
        
       | Alupis wrote:
       | Some context is available here: https://apnews.com/article/intel-
       | trump-cotton-yeary-tan-2061...
       | 
       | FTA:
       | 
       | "In March 2025, Intel appointed Lip-Bu Tan as its new CEO,"
       | Cotton wrote in the letter. "Mr. Tan reportedly controls dozens
       | of Chinese companies and has a stake in hundreds of Chinese
       | advanced-manufacturing and chip firms. At least eight of these
       | companies reportedly have ties to the Chinese People's Liberation
       | Army."
        
         | everfrustrated wrote:
         | If true, questions should also be raised about the Board who
         | must have signed off on any conflicts of interest.
        
           | tiahura wrote:
           | This is entirely on the board. They didn't know / They didn't
           | clear first with govt. Either way it's grossly negligent.
        
           | threatripper wrote:
           | Nobody really knows if 18a is a failure or if it was turned
           | into one by deliberate mismanagement. It feels like when
           | Microsoft took over Nokia.
        
           | tlogan wrote:
           | > If true ...
           | 
           | I don't know about his investments, but one fact is clear: he
           | was CEO of Cadence Design Systems, which has just pleaded
           | guilty to federal charges for exporting technology to China.
           | That alone should make him ineligible to lead a company with
           | major government contracts.
           | 
           | If he resigns (and he will), the board should go with him.
        
             | dangus wrote:
             | If I was an Intel shareholder I would be livid.
             | 
             | Can you imagine the look you'd get if it was 1998 and you
             | told me that AMD would have over twice the market
             | capitalization of Intel in the next few decades? In 1998
             | Intel was 50x larger by market cap than AMD.
             | 
             | It is a company that has been catastrophically mismanaged.
        
               | hedgehog wrote:
               | Livid about the problem or livid that they're talking
               | about axing the first CEO in decades that might have a
               | shot at fixing the problems?
        
             | everfrustrated wrote:
             | If Tan resigns I suspect only way Pat would come back is
             | with an entirely now board, so either way it's likely the
             | board is done.
        
       | jjcm wrote:
       | It's honestly wild that a sitting US president is calling out
       | specific company CEOs. The fact that it was done in a tweet-esque
       | post is even more concerning. I'd expect that something like this
       | would have been accompanied by a proper investigation and writeup
       | stating the administration's perspective on why, but instead it's
       | just "he's highly CONFLICTED".
       | 
       | I don't debate his history at Cadence Design is concerning from a
       | national security point of view, but the approach the
       | administration took really shows how we're in a different era of
       | politics.
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | Eh. Without getting anywhere near the merits of this particular
         | fracas, the federal government has gotten deeply involved in
         | critiquing the management of companies like Lockheed and
         | Boeing, both for national security reasons and because of the
         | importance of those companies to the economy. Easy to see Intel
         | fitting into that mold in 2025.
        
           | rco8786 wrote:
           | I don't recall a sitting President publicly calling for the
           | CEO of either of those companies to resign.
           | 
           | Please let's not sanewash what is happening right now.
        
             | bgwalter wrote:
             | President Obama:
             | 
             | https://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/gm-ceo-resigns-at-
             | oba...
             | 
             | Sen. Warren:
             | 
             | https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/embroiled-scandal-
             | wells...
        
               | rco8786 wrote:
               | These are news reports after the fact. It's not normal
               | for a president to go on twitter and publicly deride
               | someone into resigning.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | The norm that's been transgressed here is getting more
               | and more specific, isn't it?
        
               | rco8786 wrote:
               | > a sitting President publicly calling for the CEO of
               | either of those companies to resign.
               | 
               | That was my original "norm" I stated. What has gotten
               | more specific about that?
        
               | magicmicah85 wrote:
               | Publicly or privately, why is one fine and the other not?
        
               | scarface_74 wrote:
               | The other hopefully happens after the President and his
               | advisors talk behind the scenes. This isn't a Republican
               | vs Democrat thing. Republican presidents never did this
               | before.
               | 
               | And that happened as part of the government bailing GM
               | out.
        
               | rco8786 wrote:
               | I'll answer this in earnest, assuming you're asking in
               | good faith.
               | 
               | The president commands an enormous amount of power, and
               | has an army of people who will do his bidding and simply
               | adopt his opinions on any number of subjects. Shouting
               | out to millions of his followers to state that the CEO of
               | a private company is "CONFLICTED" and must resign is, by
               | any definition, propaganda. Propaganda that changes the
               | minds of the citizens of the country, riles up the base,
               | and does nothing productive except to stoke anger and
               | fear.
               | 
               | Working privately with this CEO, having a professional
               | discussion with him, investigating the facts, determining
               | that the best course of action for national security
               | would be for him to step down, and maybe even putting
               | some political pressure on that person to do so, and then
               | publicly announcing the facts of what happened, is
               | responsible governance.
               | 
               | It's genuinely an enormous difference.
        
               | magicmicah85 wrote:
               | I am asking in good faith and I understand why there
               | would be a preference towards private versus public. It
               | sounds like Trump does not care to attempt a private
               | conversation as he wants Tan out. The Cadence settlement
               | is likely the only public info we have about Tan's
               | conflicts, the government has more info and they aren't
               | going to spend time working through private channels,
               | though it sounds like Tan is trying that now.
        
               | bgwalter wrote:
               | The CEO will likely be fine, Trump also announces
               | movements of nuclear submarines on Truth Social.
               | 
               | I'd be more concerned about non-public dealings that
               | Trump might have learned from Roy Cohn, but these are
               | probably off limits for discussion here. In general, what
               | is on Truth Social does not matter.
        
               | sjsdaiuasgdia wrote:
               | The GM CEO had presided over a time when GM got into such
               | bad shape they needed a government bailout, and had to
               | come back asking for even more government money.
               | 
               | The Wells Fargo CEO presided over a major scandal
               | involving customers being signed up for services they
               | never agreed to.
               | 
               | What has the Intel CEO presided over during his short
               | tenure that measures up to those?
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | Vastly increased attention on semiconductor companies as
               | national security assets coupled with fairly extensive
               | business relationships with companies controlled by
               | America's chief geopolitical rival.
        
               | sjsdaiuasgdia wrote:
               | Oh, so not the same kind of thing at all then...
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | You'll notice that none of the examples on this thread
               | are the same things.
        
               | sjsdaiuasgdia wrote:
               | Yeah, it seems like a lot of hot air to prop up a false
               | equivalency.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | I suggest not asking questions you don't want the answers
               | to.
        
               | sjsdaiuasgdia wrote:
               | I suggest not normalizing Trump's behaviors by creating
               | false equivalencies.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | I'm interested in what's actually happening, not how it
               | feeds the narrative about Trump. We saw the same thing
               | yesterday with a dozen people on HN het up about how the
               | Library of Congress Annotated Constitution had removed
               | Habeas from its online copy of the Constitution (along
               | with the Navy, letters of marque and reprisal, and the No
               | Favored Ports clause) and people said the same thing
               | there: stop claiming this was just a website fuckup and
               | normalizing Trump!
        
               | sjsdaiuasgdia wrote:
               | Yes, what actually happened is important.
               | 
               | In that Constitution story, a government website that has
               | the Constitution's text was updated in a peculiar way. It
               | could be interpreted as having been related to habeas
               | corpus rights, as that was in the middle of the removal.
               | It could also be interpreted as unintentional, as the
               | deletion started in the middle of Article I Section 8.
               | You'd think a targeted deletion wouldn't include so much
               | unrelated text. Then again, you could say that it's just
               | an incompetently done targeted deletion. It's debatable!
               | Maybe it was intentional and maybe the order came from
               | the top. Or maybe it was just a run of the mill tech
               | SNAFU.
               | 
               | In this situation, Trump, on Trump's social media
               | platform, posted that he wants this CEO to resign. That's
               | not debatable, it's verifiable fact. It happened. We know
               | the man at the top is saying this.
               | 
               | So yeah, stop with the false equivalencies and pay
               | attention to what's actually happening.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | Just so we're clear that you apparently still think it's
               | possible that an order came down from the top to delete
               | Congress's authorization to form a Navy from the Library
               | of Congress's online annotated Constitution, which isn't
               | even in the first SERP for me on Google for "online
               | constitution", but I guess you've gotta start somewhere.
        
               | fzeroracer wrote:
               | C'mon, surely you should know better by now to not give
               | the current admin literally any iota of doubt. They've
               | been frequently and outright violating individuals habeas
               | corpus rights, it should come as no surprise that people
               | would see this as the next step. They're the most
               | powerful people in the world.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | It's exactly because I think this is the most dangerous
               | President in American history that I find these kinds of
               | claims so risible and worth knocking down.
        
               | CamperBob2 wrote:
               | Dude, he altered a weather map with a Sharpie on live TV.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | The theory behind this Constitution thing is as if, after
               | altering the weather map, _the weather changed_.
        
               | CamperBob2 wrote:
               | Well, it would have if he had been allowed to use nuclear
               | weapons on the hurricane instead of just a Sharpie.
        
               | antonvs wrote:
               | People are interested in valid answers, not gaslighting.
        
             | morkalork wrote:
             | Lockheed's CEO Carl Kotchian resigned after political
             | pressure but he brought it on himself.
        
             | joules77 wrote:
             | Look up the Teddy Roosevelt era. Before his election and
             | after he leaves.
        
         | gibbitz wrote:
         | Meh, Trump wants someone as loyal and willing to spy on us as
         | he thinks this guy was for China. I love how the right detests
         | regulation but is okay with arbitrarily monkeying directly in
         | the management of a company like this with no rules around it.
         | No company is safe under this guy.
        
           | dkenyser wrote:
           | Correction: The right detests regulation on the things they
           | like at that given moment.
           | 
           | If it doesn't affect them directly, or they can't perceive
           | how it will affect them directly, they simply do not care.
        
             | goatlover wrote:
             | The MAGA right has demonstrated they have no principles
             | other than whatever Trump wants at that given moment. We'll
             | see whether the Epstein files is truly an exception to
             | that.
        
         | cnst wrote:
         | Like this?
         | 
         | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/qwest-ceo-nsa-punished...
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6033113
        
           | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
           | Stupid flamebait.
           | 
           | Not a sitting president and the NSA doesn't need a warrant
           | for foreign targets.
        
             | simoncion wrote:
             | > [T]he NSA doesn't need a warrant for foreign targets.
             | 
             | That is correct. IIRC, FISA made that the law of the land
             | since like the 1970s. However, Congress felt the need to
             | provide _retroactive_ immunity to the telcos who assisted
             | in the FISA-violating wiretaps that the NSA demanded of
             | them around the turn of the century. See Title II on
             | printed page 32 of this [0] for more information, and check
             | out newspaper coverage about the  "FISA Amendments Act of
             | 2008" around July, 2008.
             | 
             | This grant of retroactive immunity was particularly
             | outrageous because it mooted in-progress civil suits
             | against those telcos, which is not something that's
             | supposed to be done at scale... _especially_ for civil
             | liberties violations.
             | 
             | That's a _really_ odd thing to do if no law was violated,
             | don 't you think?
             | 
             | [0] <https://web.archive.org/web/20101207052813/http://frwe
             | bgate....>, found via following the chain of [1] -> [2]
             | (because THOMAS is down today) -> [3]
             | 
             | [1] the July 9th, 2008 entry here:
             | <https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline>
             | 
             | [2] <https://web.archive.org/web/20101209001911/http://thom
             | as.loc...>
             | 
             | [3] The PDF here of version 4 of the bill, because
             | archive.org doesn't have the text version archived. <https:
             | //web.archive.org/web/20101207012221/http://thomas.loc...>
        
             | throwaway81523 wrote:
             | https://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/gm-ceo-resigns-at-
             | oba...
        
               | xpe wrote:
               | Don't forget the context:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_financial_crisis
        
           | unethical_ban wrote:
           | Like what?
        
         | fundad wrote:
         | They may have dropped the name China Initiative but all this
         | tough talk on China (and immigration) primes the public to
         | believe the worst.
         | 
         | https://apnews.com/article/business-china-asia-beijing-race-...
        
         | tgma wrote:
         | This administration (and the previous one) have been paying
         | billions of dollars to chip companies to make fabs in the
         | United States.
         | 
         | Trump in particular is essentially trying to make sure Intel
         | lives despite market forces. It is effectively a quasi-
         | nationalized entity akin to major military-industrial complex
         | entities.
         | 
         | Given that, we are not talking about a random private entity. A
         | US President making such statement _about Intel_ is entirely
         | justified.
        
       | parker-3461 wrote:
       | Additional context in https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-
       | demands-highly-con...
        
       | michaelteter wrote:
       | "The administration" does not deal in facts. It only works with
       | themes and phrases that (fail to) give the small, unrecognized
       | boy a sense of value.
       | 
       | If ever there were a case for the cost of lack of therapy, we are
       | now witnessing it on a global, possibly catastrophic scale.
       | 
       | Just imagine if Hitler had been placed in charge of a superpower
       | with our resources...
       | 
       | To be clear, we should not ignore the absolute reality that China
       | and other powers are using every means available to influence
       | global reality. But that is unrelated to the absurdity which we
       | are now subject to.
       | 
       | The invisibility of Bush is the strongest indication that "the
       | party of Reagan" is completely baffled and hiding from the
       | monster that they and Rupert Murdoch created.
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | Therapists don't know how to fix narcissists. And narcissists
         | don't want to be fixed.
        
       | DiabloD3 wrote:
       | This guy might be the last CEO of Intel.
        
         | soganess wrote:
         | I don't really understand this.
         | 
         | Intel was (and arguably still is) too large relative to its
         | current technical capabilities. Yet even in this current "bad
         | chips" era, Intel is only, at worst, about 10% behind in gaming
         | performance (largely due to cache disparity) and is on par or
         | better in most other workloads. From the K10 era until Zen 3,
         | AMD processors were objectively worse (sometimes comically so)
         | and AMD still managed to survive.
         | 
         | Intel's mobile CPUs remain extremely competitive. Their
         | integrated GPUs are the fastest in the x86 space. And their
         | SoC+platform features: video decode/encode, NPUs, power
         | management, wifi, and so on are the best in class for x86 CPUs;
         | they are usually a solid second place or better regardless of
         | architecture.
         | 
         | Subjectively, the most interesting "mainstream" laptops on the
         | market are still, and historically have been, Intel-based. I
         | understand that in an era where the M4 Max, Snapdragon 8 Elite,
         | and Strix Halo each serve as best-in-class in different
         | segments, "mainstream appeal" no longer equates to market
         | dominance. And that is bad news for an Intel that historically
         | just make a few CPUs (the rest being market segmented down
         | versions of those chips), but still, to suggest they will
         | disappear overnight seems... odd.
        
           | threatripper wrote:
           | In the past AMD needed to survive for antitrust reasons. Now
           | x86 is losing in relevance now as alternatives are
           | established. Nobody needs to keep intel alive.
        
             | deaddodo wrote:
             | AMD also received many Hail Marys as a result of Intel's
             | anticompetitive behavior. Directly via payouts Intel and
             | partners had to make, and indirectly via companies being
             | more willing to work with them for their GPU expertise and
             | better (out of desperation) licensing/purchase agreements.
             | 
             | Intel can't rely on the same. They haven't been directly
             | impacted by another larger company, they rely too much on a
             | single technology that's slowly fading from the spotlight,
             | and they can't compete against AMD on price.
             | 
             | Maybe if they ended up in a small and lean desperation
             | position they could pivot and survive, but their current
             | business model is a losing eventuality.
        
           | chrsw wrote:
           | "last CEO" is hyperbole. But despite the competitiveness of
           | some of their latest offerings, their trajectory is beyond
           | concerning.
        
           | tgma wrote:
           | > Intel was (and arguably still is) too large relative to its
           | current technical capabilities. Yet even in this current "bad
           | chips" era, Intel is only, at worst, about 10% behind in
           | gaming performance (largely due to cache disparity) and is on
           | par or better in most other workloads. From the K10 era until
           | Zen 3, AMD processors were objectively worse (sometimes
           | comically so) and AMD still managed to survive.
           | 
           | The current "bad chips that are only 10% behind" are fabbed
           | by TSMC, not Intel.
        
       | getnormality wrote:
       | Lots of en dashes.
        
         | xdennis wrote:
         | They looked too short to be em dashes and too long to be en
         | dashes. Sure enough, they're neither.
         | 
         | They're minus signs. The AI is evolving.
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | Sigh. Guess I'm going back to using way too many commas and
           | living in fear of misusing semicolons.
           | 
           | This is why we can't have nice things.
        
             | number6 wrote:
             | I love semicolons and dashes. AI won't take them from me!
        
           | threatripper wrote:
           | Must be a force of habit.
        
       | rpcope1 wrote:
       | What are the odds this ends with Intel getting nationalized? I
       | think it's really looking kind of non-zero now.
        
         | hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
         | It doesn't need to get officially nationalized. Trump is
         | already using tariffs to essentially direct large businesses.
         | It's already been reported that Trump is requiring TSMC to take
         | a 49% stake in Intel for tariff relief.
        
           | Dr4kn wrote:
           | Why would TSMC do this? Companies want the best chips and
           | they can only get them from TSMC. If there isn't an
           | alternative and building the necessary infrastructure in the
           | US takes too long the Tarif is useless.
        
         | emchammer wrote:
         | Thank god Apple has been putting their eggs in their home-woven
         | ARM basket. Now I just wish that they had a CEO who was above
         | golden-trophy ass-kissing.
        
           | tengwar2 wrote:
           | Partly home-made. Arm Holdings is British-based, but owned by
           | Softbank Group (Japanese).
        
             | gdiamos wrote:
             | Arm makes a specification and standard (the ARM ISA).
             | 
             | Apple licenses that and develops their own chip, which is
             | then manufactured by TSMC.
             | 
             | So I guess if Intel dies the US will still have a few good
             | CPU design firms, but no manufacturing
             | 
             | Also note that Foxconn (China) assembles the iPhones
             | 
             | Eg https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-factory-
             | foxconn...
        
               | deaddodo wrote:
               | ARM also produces core reference implementations. Most
               | ARM licensees' licenses only allow them to use those in a
               | slightly modified form.
               | 
               | What you're talking about is an ARM IP license, which
               | allow the company to build their own implementation of
               | the standard. Only a few companies have those and, of
               | those, even fewer actually use it. Apple is one of those
               | that does.
        
             | landl0rd wrote:
             | Apple still holds the license to the arm arches/designs
             | they've used. There's enough customization applied that I'd
             | guess Apple could function absent ARM, even if it's not the
             | ideal scenario for them.
             | 
             | Plus Britain and Japan are both somewhere between close
             | allies and client states. Nobody cares if we license from
             | them.
        
               | extraduder_ire wrote:
               | Apple is also not a regular ARM licensee. They have a
               | special deal because they were a very early investor when
               | they wanted a chip to power the Newton back in the day.
        
               | deaddodo wrote:
               | No they don't. I mean, that is _why_ they have that
               | license (though PA Semi, the company they absorbed that
               | develops their cores, also brought one along with them);
               | but it's not a special or unique license. Nvidia,
               | Qualcomm, AMD, etc all have the same license.
               | 
               | Apple is near unique only in that they've pretty much
               | never used reference implementations (since the PA Semi
               | acquisition, at least) from ARM and stick to their pure
               | bespoke microarchitectures. But they're not the only
               | company that _could_.
        
             | OrvalWintermute wrote:
             | Japan is our ally.
        
               | linuxhansl wrote:
               | Not much longer if we continue as we do.
        
               | blooalien wrote:
               | We still have allies?
        
               | pphysch wrote:
               | More importantly, we militarily occupy Japan.
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | Amd64 has other vendors.
        
           | scarface_74 wrote:
           | I hate everything that Cook is doing to kiss up to Trump and
           | he did something similar during the first administration by
           | letting Trump brag about final assembly of low selling Mac
           | Pros was happening in the US.
           | 
           | But this is the country that the US wants (said as a born and
           | bred US citizen) these are the results of it. Every CEO is
           | kissing Trumps ass because that's the only way you get ahead
           | in the US now.
           | 
           | The media, the other two branches, colleges, tech companies
           | etc have all bent a knee and bribed the President in one way
           | or the other.
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | The fact he allowed Tim Apple to just hang out there was
             | telling
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | Does it being "designed in California" but "made in Taiwan"
           | really make a difference? If Taiwan was to be invaded and
           | TSMC follows through with their threat of destroying all of
           | the fabs, Apple's home-woven basket wouldn't be worth much at
           | all
        
             | seszett wrote:
             | If the US or the Netherlands were being invaded that world
             | also wreak havoc, but how is that related to the links
             | between China and Intel's CEO?
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | Invading the US or Netherlands would not impact chip
               | production. How are you not able to grasp that?
        
               | nerdsniper wrote:
               | Besides missing the point, this is a bad argument.
               | 
               | ASML manufactures the machines that TSMC uses to produce
               | chips - they have an even more critical and irreplaceable
               | role in chip production than Taiwan does. ASML is
               | headquartered in Veldhoven, NL. That would absolutely
               | affect chip production - no new nodes, no replacement
               | parts. There are other critical technologies for
               | semiconductor manufacturing made in USA as well.
        
               | selimthegrim wrote:
               | They are partially made in San Diego.
        
       | gjvc wrote:
       | who buys intel instead of AMD at this point?
        
         | bornfreddy wrote:
         | Swing traders. Also those who think China-Taiwan conflict is
         | imminent.
        
         | nodesocket wrote:
         | I own both, though admittedly Intel has not panned out so far.
        
         | extraduder_ire wrote:
         | It can't be AMD, two separate companies need to exist for dual-
         | sourcing reasons. Market cap is $86.5B ATM, so there's quite a
         | few who could afford them.
        
         | ac29 wrote:
         | A lot of people?
         | 
         | Intel, even in its current weakened state, did nearly double
         | the revenue of AMD last quarter.
        
       | dlyco wrote:
       | First, you need to know the emotional bond between Chinese
       | Malaysians and the Chinese Communist Party, before you can say
       | his actions are not suspicious.
        
         | acheong08 wrote:
         | That is just factually incorrect. Most Chinese Malaysians are
         | either Cantonese or Hokkien, with closer ties to Taiwan and
         | Hong Kong than the mainland. A lot of the older folk don't even
         | speak Mandarin. Keep in mind the CCP wasn't even in power when
         | most migrated here.
        
       | tlogan wrote:
       | The key question is this: how did the board of directors hire him
       | knowing he had been subpoenaed to testify regarding Cadence
       | Design Systems, and that the company has now agreed to plead
       | guilty.
        
       | wewewedxfgdf wrote:
       | The biggest problem with Lip Bu Tan is he has given up on
       | competing with Nvidia.
       | 
       | What's the point of being Intel CEO if you give up?
       | 
       | He should resign.
        
         | newAccount2025 wrote:
         | Can they win?
        
           | nont wrote:
           | That is not as important as if they want to win.
        
       | sugarpimpdorsey wrote:
       | Well that was a whole lot of words that conveyed basically no
       | information.
       | 
       | A sort of corporate communications-whitewashed version of the _My
       | Cousin Vinny_ "Everything that guy just said is bullshit. Thank
       | you."
        
       | sashank_1509 wrote:
       | So now being a bad CEO who is not of European ethnicity, will
       | have the sitting president insinuate you not so subtly for
       | treason. Wild. A cursory Wikipedia search confirms Tan was born
       | in Malaysia, has lived in US for 40+ years in California, and is
       | a practicing Christian.
        
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