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Launch HN: Hyprnote (YC S25) - An open-source AI meeting notetaker
Hi HN! We're Yujong, John, Duck, and Sung from Hyprnote
(https://hyprnote.com). We're building an open-source, privacy-
first AI note-taking app that runs fully on-device. Think of it as
an open-source Granola. No Zoom bots, no cloud APIs, no data ever
leaves your machine. Source code:
https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote Demo video:
https://hyprnote.com/demo We built Hyprnote because some of our
friends told us that their companies banned certain meeting
notetakers due to data concerns, or they simply felt uncomfortable
sending data to unknown servers. So they went back to manual note-
taking - losing focus during meetings and wasting time afterward.
We asked: could we build something just as useful, but completely
local? Hyprnote is a desktop app that transcribes and summarizes
meetings on-device. It captures both your mic input and system
audio, so you don't need to invite bots. It generates a summary
based on the notes you take. Everything runs on local AI models by
default, using Whisper and HyprLLM. HyprLLM is our proof-of-concept
model fine-tuned from Qwen3 1.7B. We learned that summarizing
meetings is a very nuanced task and that a model's raw intelligence
(or weight) doesn't matter THAT much. We'll release more details on
evaluation and training once we finish the 2nd iteration of the
model (still not that good we can make it a lot better). Whisper
inference:
https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/main/crates/whispe...
AEC inference:
https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/main/crates/aec/sr...
LLM inference:
https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/main/crates/llama/... We
also learned that for some folks, having full data controllability
was as important as privacy. So we support custom endpoints,
allowing users to bring in their company's internal LLM. For teams
that need integrations, collaboration, or admin controls, we're
working on an optional server component that can be self-hosted.
Lastly, we're exploring ways to make Hyprnote work like VSCode, so
you can install extensions and build your own workflows around your
meetings. We believe privacy-first tools, powered by local models,
are going to unlock the next wave of real-world AI apps. We're
here and looking forward to your comments!
Author : yujonglee
Score : 241 points
Date : 2025-07-29 16:24 UTC (1 days ago)
| swyx wrote:
| congrats, app looks gorgeous. def a good tauri codebase to study
| ( been using https://deepwiki.com/fastrepl/hyprnote)
|
| any interest in the Cluely-style live conversation help/overlay?
| johntopia wrote:
| thanks! we're focusing on local-first at the moment which makes
| real-time assist a bit challenging. but we definitely have
| something similar on our mind - for example, a live summary of
| what's been going on during the past 5 mins. planning to
| support this via extension in the future!
| yunohn wrote:
| Super cool, congrats on the launch - will be trying this soon! I
| noticed it's using Tauri - what are your main takeaways from
| building a local inference desktop app with it?
| yujonglee wrote:
| Thanks. I learned that running a server on the Rust side and
| calling it from a TypeScript frontend is a good approach. For
| example, we run an OpenAI-compatible server using a Tauri
| plugin (https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/tree/main/plugins/
| local...) and call it using the Vercel AI SDK.
| yunohn wrote:
| I've been thinking about ways to reuse Vercel's AI SDK, so
| this is a great one - thanks for sharing!
| yujonglee wrote:
| Also you might find this interesting:
|
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/main/packages/uti
| l....
| yunohn wrote:
| Super neat! You've made an impressive amount of cool
| specialized crates - have you considered making them
| generally usable to the wider community and licensing
| them under LGPL/MIT instead of GPL?
| yujonglee wrote:
| we def considered it. our line of thinking is start with
| more restrictive license, and later switch to MIT or
| something once we figure things out :)
| ashishact wrote:
| I wanted to build this for myself. Could never figure out how
| to get audio output from Mac. Tried almost all audio loopback
| driver (Blackhole, Soundflower ...). There was problem
| everywhere wrt security.
|
| Even tried making a teams meeting bot. But Teams doesn't give
| live audio to developer unless you are a special partner.
|
| Glad you made this. Will play around
| yujonglee wrote:
| Great! We use AudioTap api
| johntopia wrote:
| great to see that you like it :)
| nkotov wrote:
| Really cool - how does it compare to Granola outside of the OSS
| part?
| yujonglee wrote:
| Local-first, controllability(custom endpoint part), and
| eventually extensibility(VSCode part of the post)
|
| We're putting a lot of effort into making it run smoothly on
| local machines. There are no signups, and the app works without
| any internet connection after downloading models.
| ashishact wrote:
| One of the things I would want to do is - As the meeting is
| going on - I would like to ask a LLM what questions I could
| ask at that point in time. Especially if it's a subject I am
| not expert in.
|
| Would I be able to create an extension that could do this?
| johntopia wrote:
| you can definitely do that in the future. but we had that
| on our mind as well from multiple requests - planning to
| add "eli5 - explain like i'm five" and "mmss - make me
| sound smart" ;) (edit: grammar fix)
| quesera wrote:
| Wow, does anything like this exist in current commercial
| tools?
|
| ELI5 sounds useful.
|
| MMSS sounds terrifying though, honestly.
| johntopia wrote:
| i think there are tools like cluely - where they propose
| to "cheat" on everything in real-time. or just wearables
| like waves that shows ar displays with real-time assist.
| (i've never used both of them before, but i understood
| their products like this) so proactive ai agents are
| somewhat becoming a thing I guess. but it all boils down
| to privacy for us.
|
| mmss was something that a lot of users suggested - they
| wanted to be saved from public humiliation
| theodorewiles wrote:
| Looks really cool - I noticed Enterprise has smart consent
| management?
|
| The thing I think some enterprise customers are worried about in
| this space is that in many jurisdictions you legally need to
| disclose recording - having a bot join the call can do that
| disclosure - but users hate the bot and it takes up too much
| visibility on many of these calls.
|
| Would love to learn more about your approach there
| johntopia wrote:
| yes, we're rolling out flexible consent options based on legal
| needs - like chat messages, silent bots, blinking backgrounds,
| or consent links before/during meetings. but still figuring out
| if there's a more elegant way to do this. would love to hear
| your take as well.
| theodorewiles wrote:
| Please shoot me a note - I'm trying to figure this out for my
| enterprise now, would love to figure out a way to get you in
| / trial it out.
| johntopia wrote:
| can i send you a follow-up to the email that's on your
| profile?
| theodorewiles wrote:
| yes
| yonl wrote:
| Congrats on the launch. I never understood why an AI meeting
| notetaker needed sota LLMs and subscriptions (talking about
| literally all the other notetakers) - thanks for making it local
| first. I use a locally patched up whisperx + qwen3:1.7 + nomic
| embed (ofcourse with a swift script that picks up the audio
| buffer from microphone) and it works just fine. Rarely i create
| next steps / sop from the transcript - i use gemini 2.5 and
| export it as pdf. I'll give Hyprnote a try soon.
|
| I hope, since it's opensource, you are thinking about exposing
| api / hooks for downstream tasks.
| yujonglee wrote:
| What kind of API/Hooks you expect us to expose? We are down to
| do that.
| sjayasinghe wrote:
| The ability to receive live transcripts from a webhook,
| including speaker diarization metadata would be super useful.
| yujonglee wrote:
| webhook to the localhost server, right?
| headcanon wrote:
| registering an MCP server and calling an MCP tool upon
| transcript completion (and/or summary completion) would help
| (check out actionsperminute.io for the vision there).
|
| Calendar integration would be nice to link transcripts to
| discrete meetings.
| yujonglee wrote:
| That makes sense.
|
| Please add more details here:
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/issues/1203
|
| For calendar, we have native Apple Calendar integration in
| MacOS.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Can you share the Swift script? I was thinking of doing
| something similar but was banging my head against the audio
| side of macOS.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > I never understood why an AI meeting notetaker needed sota
| LLMs and subscriptions
|
| I'm the opposite: If something is expected to accurately
| summarize business content, I want to use the best possible
| model for it.
|
| The difference between a quantized local model that can run on
| the average laptop and the latest models from Anthropic,
| Google, or OpenAI is still very significant.
| marcofiset wrote:
| The only issue I have with those tools, and I have not seen a
| single one even acknowledge this, is that it becomes completely
| useless when holding meetings in a hybrid fashion where some
| people are remote and others are in the office with a shared mic.
|
| Almost all of our meetings are hybrid in this way, and it's a
| real pain having almost half of the meeting be identified as a
| single individual talking because the mic is hooked up to their
| machine.
|
| It's a total dealbreaker for us, and we won't use such tools
| until that problem is solved.
| dkdcio wrote:
| I think if you put N-1 mics in the room (where N is the number
| of people) you could easily identify all individuals...
| yujonglee wrote:
| It can be solved with speaker segmentation/embedding models,
| although it is not perfect. One thing we do with Hyprnote is
| that we have a Descript-like transcript editor that allows you
| to easily edit/assign speakers. Once we integrate a speaker
| diarization model with that, I think we'll be in good shape.
|
| If you are interested, you can join our Discord and follow
| updates. :) https://hyprnote.com/discord
| apwell23 wrote:
| our conference rooms even have some sort of rotating camera
| contraption that automatically focus on the person speaking
| mijoharas wrote:
| Oh awesome, I was reading through to see about whether it had
| speaker diarization (why I got rid of my whisper script I
| use).
|
| I'll look forward to the Linux version.
|
| Is there any chance of a headless mode? (I.e. start, and
| write transcript to stdout with some light speaker
| diarization markup. e.g. "Speaker1: text")
| yujonglee wrote:
| > Is there any chance of a headless mode?
|
| maybe. we might be able to add extension system that each
| extension can have that info and do whatever it want within
| the app.
|
| > I'll look forward to the Linux version.
|
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/issues/67 We have open
| issue. You might want to subscribe to it!
| nashashmi wrote:
| you might need an AI for in-person meeting first. Such tools
| are available to doctors who see patients. The note taking is
| great but I think it is skewed towards one-person summary where
| the name of the patient remains unknown. I wonder if the same
| tool can take notes if two patients are in the room and
| distinguish between each one.
|
| The second tool is likely hardware limitation. A multi-cam-mic
| with beam forming capability to deconstruct overlapping sounds.
| johntopia wrote:
| hyprnote can be used for in-person meetings as well! we have
| doctors like ophthalmologists or psychiatrists using it right
| now. and yes - definitely going to be working on speaker
| identification as it crucial.
| monkey26 wrote:
| I recently tried Vibe (https://github.com/thewh1teagle/vibe)
| from a recording of a meeting taken on one side. It was able to
| identify the speakers. As Speaker 1, 2, etc. But still useful
| to see.
| johntopia wrote:
| yeah vibe is a great app. we're actually friends with the
| maintainer :)
| abtinf wrote:
| I forbid this kind of meeting on my teams.
|
| Either everyone is in the same physical room, or everyone is
| remote.
|
| The quality of communication plummets in the hybrid case:
|
| * The physical participants have much higher bandwidth
| communication than those who are remote -- they share private
| expressions and gestures to the detriment of remote.
|
| * The physical participants have massively lower latency
| communications. In all-online meetings, everyone an adjust and
| accommodate the small delays; in hybrid meetings it often locks
| out remote participants who are always just a little behind or
| have less time to respond.
|
| * The audio quality of remote is significantly worse, which I
| have seen result in their comments being treated as leas
| credible.
|
| * Remote participants usually get horrible audio quality from
| those sharing a mic in the room. No one ever acknowledges this,
| but it dramatically impacts ability to communicate.
| ls-a wrote:
| Looks great. From my experience Tauri team has no clue what
| mobile is and they're not interested in fixing mobile issues. I
| can already tell the mobile version will be a disappointment.
| yujonglee wrote:
| We tried Tauri mobile (few months ago) and had the same
| disappointment. We will use RN or Dioxus(to share Rust code)
| for the mobile version. So it will be cool :)
| ls-a wrote:
| I'm glad you figured that out early on. Sounds like mobile is
| going to be great indeed
| toisanji wrote:
| is this a known pattern, I did a basic tauri app, but not
| sure what to do with mobile yet...
| johntopia wrote:
| from our experience, we tried using stackflow on the
| frontend but encountered problems with responsive keyboard
| layouts. thought it was stackflow's problem but soon
| realized that it just wasn't implemented in tauri yet.
|
| ref: https://github.com/daangn/stackflow
| nashashmi wrote:
| I was talking about this a week ago. One person wanted to make a
| pdf tutorial of how to use a software. I asked him to record
| himself in teams and share his screen and have AI take notes. It
| will create a fabulous summary with snapshots of everything he is
| going over.
| b0dhimind wrote:
| Look forward to testing the Windows version. Hope it has ability
| to also upload recordings, etc. Meetily is nice but setup feels
| too convoluted, with a backend and frontend being required to
| separately install...
| johntopia wrote:
| will push harder! hop into our
| discord(https://hyprnote.com/discord) to get the latest updates
| :) you can sign up to the waitlist on our website as well.
| woadwarrior01 wrote:
| Congrats on the launch. Is there a reason why the app isn't
| sandboxed?
| yujonglee wrote:
| What kind of sandboxing you expect? keen to learn more about it
| since we care about security too. (one reason why we use Tauri
| over Electron)
| woadwarrior01 wrote:
| Just the default macOS sandboxing entitlement[1], which is
| mandatory for all apps on the Mac App Store, and optional for
| notarized apps.
|
| [1]: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/configur
| ing-...
| yujonglee wrote:
| thank you for letting me know! will look into this
| p2hari wrote:
| I just downloaded on mac M4 pro mini. I installed the apple
| silicon version and try to launch it and it fails. No error
| message or anything. Just the icon keep bouncing on the dock. I
| assumed it needs some privacy and screen recording and audio
| permissions and explicitly gave them, however still just jumps on
| the dock and the app does not open. (OS, mac sequoia 15.5)
| johntopia wrote:
| working on trying to identify the problem! could you come over
| to our discord where we could better support you?
| https://hyprnote.com/discord
| yujonglee wrote:
| That is very strange. Can you launch it from the command line
| and share what you got?
|
| /Applications/Hyprnote.app/Contents/MacOS/Hyprnote
| yujonglee wrote:
| Seems like
|
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/d0cb0122556da5f517...
|
| this is invalid on Mac mini. Should be fixed today.
| kocial wrote:
| Nicely done, I or someone can push the translation option too.
| Well done.
| johntopia wrote:
| what language do you have in mind? would love to know!
| turnsout wrote:
| Congrats! I'm currently a Granola user, and wanted to build this
| myself a while back. But I probably wouldn't have gone as far as
| fine-tuning a small model for meeting summarization. Can't wait
| to try it out!
| yujonglee wrote:
| Super! let us know how it goes! (we have discord channel too)
| turnsout wrote:
| Installation and onboarding was nice & smooth!
|
| A few random bits of realtime feedback:
|
| You have an icon with the Finder face labeled "Open Finder
| view." I would expect this to open the app's data folder in
| the macOS Finder. Instead, it opens an accessory window with
| some helpful views such as calendar view. I'd encourage you
| to find another name for that window, because it's too
| confusing to call it "Finder" (especially with the icon).
|
| I'd also add a menu item for Settings (and Command-comma
| shortcut) in the Application menu.
|
| You also need a dark mode at some point.
|
| Finally, I'm not sure where note files end up. Seeing that
| there's an Obsidian integration, I would love an option to
| save notes in Markdown format into a folder of my choice. I'm
| an iA Writer user, and would love to have meeting notes go
| directly into my existing notes folder.
|
| I'll let you know how the actual functionality is working for
| me after my next few meetings!
| johntopia wrote:
| haha we couldn't find a better icon for the "Finder" view
| so we just went with the classic one. but i guess it's
| confusing - noted.
|
| we do have settings shortcut already! be sure to test it
| out :)
|
| dark mode - noted as well.
|
| we save our notes in db.sqlite that can be found in:
| ~/Library/Application\ Support/com.hyprnote.stable
|
| this decision was made because we have three documents -
| raw note, enhanced note, and transcript - assigned to a
| meeting note.
|
| would love to create an iA integration for you - or just a
| simple way to export MD for the time being
|
| join our discord for more updates!
| https://hyprnote.com/discord
| teiferer wrote:
| Nice!
|
| Would be great if you could include in your launch message how
| you plan to monetize this. Everybody likes open source software
| and local-first is excellent too, but if you mention YC too then
| everybody also knows that there is no free lunch, so what's
| coming down the line would be good to know before deciding
| whether to give it a shot or just move on.
| yujonglee wrote:
| For individuals:
|
| We have a Pro license implemented in our app. Some non-
| essential features like custom templates or multi-turn chat are
| gated behind a paid license. (A custom STT model will also be
| included soon.) There's still no sign-up required. We use
| keygen.sh to generate offline-verifiable license keys.
| Currently, it's priced at $179/year.
|
| For business:
|
| If they want to self-host some kind of admin server with
| integrations, access control, and SSO, we plan to sell a
| business license.
| teiferer wrote:
| Does that mean the admin server is not open source?
| yujonglee wrote:
| no. it is open source.
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/tree/main/apps/admin
| thedevilslawyer wrote:
| Another sso.tax candidate.
|
| Let's actively not support software that chooses anti-
| security.
| johntopia wrote:
| totally fair concern. we're actually on the same side when
| it comes to promoting good security practices like SSO.
|
| the reason we're gating the admin server under a business
| license is less about profiting off sso and more about
| drawing a line between individual and organizational use.
| it includes a bunch of enterprise-specific features (sso,
| access control, integrations, ...) that typically require
| more support and maintenance.
|
| that said, the core app is fully open-source and always
| will be - so individuals and teams who don't need the admin
| layer can still use it freely and privately, without
| compromising security.
|
| we'll keep listening and evolving the model - after all,
| we're still very early and flexible. appreciate the
| pushback.
|
| (edit: added some more words to reinforce our flexibility)
| ctxc wrote:
| Fair stance. I believe sso tax is a necessary evil.
| thedevilslawyer wrote:
| Nothing fair about making software insecure. Don't
| normalise it.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Congrats on the launch! I'm very bullish on how powerful
| <10B-param models are becoming, so the on-device angle is cool
| (and great for your bottom line too, as it's cheaper for you to
| run).
|
| Something that I think is interesting about AI note taking
| products is focus. How does it choose what's important vs what
| isn't? The better it is at distinguishing the signal from the
| noise, the more powerful it is. I wonder if there is an in-
| context learning angle here where you can update the model
| weights (either directly or via LoRA) as you get to know the user
| better. And, of course, everything stays private and on-device.
| yujonglee wrote:
| > How does it choose what's important vs what isn't?
|
| The idea of Hyprnote is that you write chicken-scratch-raw note
| during the meeting(what you think is important), and AI enhance
| based on it.
|
| On-device learning is interesting too. For example, Gboard:
| https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.18465
|
| And yes - we are open to this too
| manveerc wrote:
| Congratulations! Is there a mobile version as well, especially
| for Android?
| johntopia wrote:
| have it planned for the 4th quarter!
| manveerc wrote:
| Awesome, will look forward to it!
| thephotonsphere wrote:
| Looks promising, but "Linux maybe"? Signing off.
| johntopia wrote:
| it was a joke! we are strongly considering to get it done after
| windows(shipping in aug)
| johntopia wrote:
| updated readme :) >> Linux (of course)
| tomr75 wrote:
| why use whisper over parakeet? how will you monetise?
| yujonglee wrote:
| Whisper is more lightweight and smaller. We will support
| Parakeet in the near future too.
|
| Monetization:
|
| For individuals: We have a Pro license implemented in our app.
| Some non-essential features like custom templates or multi-turn
| chat are gated behind a paid license. (A custom STT model will
| also be included soon.) There's still no sign-up required. We
| use keygen.sh to generate offline-verifiable license keys.
| Currently, it's priced at $179/year.
|
| For business: If they want to self-host some kind of admin
| server with integrations, access control, and SSO, we plan to
| sell a business license.
| pokechamp wrote:
| another free tier (but not opensource) recording tool Ive been
| using is MacWhisper. Does this and more all locally too. Will try
| hyprnote out because its neat to do the transcription in real
| time and its note taking purposes
|
| https://goodsnooze.gumroad.com/l/macwhisper
| yujonglee wrote:
| we will support even faster realtime transcription in near
| future. (within few weeks)
| satvikpendem wrote:
| What model? All the realtime transcription services I've seen
| are Whisper wrappers or custom closed source ones.
| yujonglee wrote:
| It's custom model. (whisper variant)
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Makes sense. How well do you expect Hyprnote to work on
| mobile? I found that phones in general are still pretty
| weak at AI inference on-device still.
| yujonglee wrote:
| I think it will work pretty well considering how rapid it
| moves. (See gemma3n, Cactus etc)
| kpen11 wrote:
| This is really cool! I've been using Obsidian more and more as a
| second brain and getting data in has consistently been the point
| of failure, so I've been wanting something just like this.
| Specifically something that runs locally and offline.
|
| Is the future goal of Hyprnote specifically meeting notes and
| leaning into features around meeting notes, or more general note
| taking and recall features?
| yujonglee wrote:
| At least for near future, we'll focusing on meeting notepad
| side of a thing.
|
| We actually have "export to Obsidian". I think you can pair
| Hyprnote nicely with Obsidian.
|
| Screenshot: https://github.com/user-
| attachments/assets/5149b68d-486c-4bd...
|
| You need this plugin installed in Obsidian first:
| https://github.com/coddingtonbear/obsidian-local-rest-api
|
| Obsidian export code 1:
|
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/d0cb0122556da5f517...
|
| Obsidian export code 2:
|
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/tree/main/plugins/obsid...
| kpen11 wrote:
| Thanks for the reply! I will try it out :)
| ljosa wrote:
| Why in the world is there _background music_ when I start the
| app?!
| yujonglee wrote:
| We thought it'll be cool :) sorry if that disturbs you.
| ljosa wrote:
| Glad you're having fun, but it had the "website with
| autoplay" vibe.
| yujonglee wrote:
| It should be played only during onboarding. No music while
| using the app
| Adrig wrote:
| Since this isn't available yet on Windows, what would be the glue
| & duct tape alternative? Record audio and dump it in chatGPT? Or
| do you need to create some kind of automation with n8n / Zapier?
| I don't have that many meetings but it could be nice to have
| yujonglee wrote:
| https://github.com/thewh1teagle/vibe
|
| Only for speech to text though.
| Adrig wrote:
| Thanks!
| pnw wrote:
| I've been using https://www.quillmeetings.com/ on Windows for a
| few months and it's been great. It processes locally in the
| same fashion i.e. no cloud requirement.
|
| Paid subscription, not open source.
| Adrig wrote:
| Their free plan might be just what I need. Thanks, I'll have
| a look
| johntopia wrote:
| you might also like shadow if you're interested in just
| local speech-to-text
| btown wrote:
| How are you balancing accuracy vs. time-to-word-on-live-
| transcript? Is this something you're actively balancing, or can
| allow an end user to tune?
|
| I find myself often using otter.ai - because while it's inferior
| to Whisper in many ways, and anything but on-device, it's able to
| show words on the live transcript with minimal delay, rather than
| waiting for a moment of silence or for a multi-second buffer to
| fill. That's vital if I'm using my live transcription _both_ to
| drive async summarization /notes _and_ for my operational use in
| the same call, to let me speed-read to catch up to a question
| that was just posed to me while I was multitasking (or doing
| research for a prior question!)
|
| It sometimes boggles me that we consider the latency of keypress-
| to-character-on-screen to be sacrosanct, but are fine with
| waiting for a phrase or paragraph or even an entire conversation
| to be complete before visualizing its transcription. Being able
| to control this would be incredible.
| yujonglee wrote:
| It is more like ai model problem(then app logic. doing it more
| frequently will require more computation. Things like
| speculative decoding can help though).
|
| Doing it locally is hard, but we expect to ship it very soon.
| Please join our Discord(https://hyprnote.com/discord) if you
| are interested to hear from us.
| itsalotoffun wrote:
| I'm always amazed at these relatively tiny projects that "launch"
| with a "customers" list that reads like they've spent 10 years
| doing hard outbound enterprise sales: Google, Intel, Apple,
| Amazon, Deloitte, IBM, Ford, Meta, Uber, Tencent, etc.
| johntopia wrote:
| have to admit that we did some logo plays. but our users are
| really all over the place and just wanted to show it off! i am
| not sure how it looked but that's why we didn't use terms like
| "teams" or "customers" to be honest while showing some
| validation.
| Lionga wrote:
| "Logo play" is such a YCombinator word for Lie.
| yaseer wrote:
| It says "Our users are everywhere" and shows some logos for
| the companies these users are from.
|
| If the users are from those companies, this is not lying.
|
| If they added logos for companies their users are not from,
| it would be lying.
|
| Adding a logo to your webpage has started to follow
| different patterns for the stage of the company.
|
| Early stage companies show things like "people at X, Y, Z
| use our product!" (showing logos without permission),
| whilst later stage ones tend to show logos after asking for
| permission, and with more formal case studies.
|
| They may not have asked for permission to show these logos,
| but that's not the same thing as lying.
| weego wrote:
| There's a lot of heavy lifting in the idea that someone
| who tried it / used it of their own volition that happens
| to work for, say Google, is the same as indicating that
| your product is "used by Google".
|
| It's a lie of accuracy, but still a lie.
| addandsubtract wrote:
| The customer used a Gmail address!
| jrvieira wrote:
| I feel like everyone already understands that argument
| and it won't convince anyone that it's any less of a lie.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > If the users are from those companies, this is not
| lying.
|
| Do you really believe all of those companies allow
| employees to install pre-release software on their
| computers which records company meetings and interacts
| with a long list of 3rd party APIs? I doubt it.
|
| They could have had people who are employed by these
| companies use it on their personal computers for some
| purpose, but the implication they're trying to make is
| that _those companies_ have chosen this software. That's
| a lie.
| yujonglee wrote:
| > and interacts with a long list of 3rd party APIs? I
| doubt it.
|
| It does not interact with 3rd party API.(except opt-out-
| able analytics) It uses local-ai models. No data leave
| user's device. It helps users in large org to try it.
|
| > but the implication they're trying to make is that
| those companies have chosen this software.
|
| We used "Our *Users* are Everywhere" to avoid that
| implication. It is not typical B2B software, but open-
| source desktop app that individuals can use.
| petesergeant wrote:
| > we did some logo plays
|
| Help me understand what this means
| abxyz wrote:
| The most honest version is the company is paying for the
| tool. The most stretched version I've seen is a former
| employee of a company uses the tool in a personal capacity.
| Most commonly for newly launched things it means someone
| with an @company email has tried the tool (even if they
| didn't pay). You could, for example, set up a waitlist and
| then let anyone with a logo-worthy email in.
| santiagobasulto wrote:
| I think this is way too far. For me personally, the
| threshold to put the logo is someone within the company
| is paying, even though the whole company is not in a
| contract. For example, you might not have a full fledged
| contract with Google, but one manager of a tiny team
| might have used her/his company credit card to pay for
| your tool. If the sum is below a certain threshold, they
| don't need to authorize or go through vendor vetting and
| all that.
| atoav wrote:
| Well "Joe in accounting from Google is using it" doesn't
| have the same glamour as putting the Google logo
| apparently.
| druskacik wrote:
| The threshold should be that a relevant representative of
| the company agreed to have the logo displayed on the
| website. Anything other than that is deceptive.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > Most commonly for newly launched things it means
| someone with an @company email has tried the tool (even
| if they didn't pay)
|
| The current growth hacking play is to have people look
| through their personal network to find friends who work
| at those companies, then to have those friends say
| they'll try the software
|
| So it's unlikely not even organic signups. It's being
| pushed to friends and friends-of-friends who are
| unknowingly being used for their company affiliation.
| yujonglee wrote:
| It is organic signup, not coming from personal networks.
| (We launched on Reddit a few months ago and it went
| really well.)
|
| There are individuals within the orgs who have used the
| app, giving us feedback through calls, or even paying for
| individual licenses.
| johntopia wrote:
| to show that we are acknowledged by many users from various
| orgs. we listed users who talked to, but we do not know if
| they still use it as some of them are not reachable(lost
| contact). i am admitting that we wanted to seem official so
| that's why we had all these logos where our users are
| "from".
| mentalgear wrote:
| kudos for being transparent on your approach here
| 48terry wrote:
| > i am not sure how it looked
|
| Well, it looks a lot like you're playing word games to get
| clout-by-association that you don't necessarily deserve. That
| doesn't seem like something an authentic person (or people)
| would try to do. Are the other claims about your team and
| software equally unserious?
| herval wrote:
| We're firmly in a world where "cheat on everything" is an
| acceptable business, startups that were hacked together in a
| week at YC claim they have SOC2 and vibecoded GPT wrappers
| claim they "trained a model". Shameless lying took over tech,
| and if anyone catches you lying, you double down, make a scene
| and a bunch of podcasts will talk about you. Free advertising!
|
| Of course, dishonesty is as old as time, but these last couple
| of years have been hard to watch...
| Aurornis wrote:
| This one is especially bad because I doubt all of those
| companies allow employees to install unapproved software that
| records meetings and uses so many 3rd party APIs
|
| The social proof logo list is an old scheme on the growth
| hacking checklist. There was a time when it was supposed to
| mean the company had purchased the software. Now it just means
| they knew someone who worked at those companies who said they'd
| check it out.
|
| At this point, when I visit a small product's landing page and
| see the logo list the first thing I think of is that they're
| small and desperate to convince me they're not.
| paulhart wrote:
| Yeah, IBM employee here, not speaking on behalf of the company,
| own opinions etc. The odds this is approved for employee use
| are essentially zero.
| anyg wrote:
| This is perfect timing! I just cancelled my fireflies.ai
| subscription yesterday because it just felt unnecessary. I prefer
| using less platforms and more tools, especially those that can
| work under the surface.
| johntopia wrote:
| happy to support you! would love to hear your feedback. we have
| a discord up and running, fyi.
| anyg wrote:
| i will give it a spin this week and share feedback :)
| crashabr wrote:
| Do you intend to reach feature parity with something like
| MacWhisper? I'd love to switch to something open source, but
| automated meeting detection, push to transcribe (with custom
| rewrite actions) are two features I've learned to love, beside
| basic transcript. I also enjoy the automatic transcription from
| an audio, video or a even a YouTube link.
|
| But because MacWhisper does not store transcripts or do much with
| them (other than giving you export options), there are some
| missed opportunities: I'd love to be able to add project tags to
| transcripts, so that any new transcript is summarized with the
| context of all previous transcript summaries that share the same
| tag. Thinking about it maybe I should build a Logseq extension to
| do that myself as I store all my meeting summaries there anyway.
|
| Speaker detection is not great in MacWhisper (at least in my
| context where I work mostly with non native English speakers), so
| that would be a good differentiation too.
| johntopia wrote:
| definitely planning to catch up to other tools - we ship FAST!
|
| automated meeting detection - working on this. push to
| transcribe - want to understand more about this. (could we talk
| more over at our discord? https://hyprnote.com/discord)
|
| if you're using logseq, we'd love to build an integration for
| you.
|
| finally, speaker identification is a big challenge for us too.
|
| so many things to do - so exciting!
| dexterdog wrote:
| > finally, speaker identification is a big challenge for us
| too.
|
| But your home page makes it looks like you already have it. I
| just tried it in a 30-minute meeting with 20 people and it
| put the entire conversation under a single speaker, in a
| single paragraph.
| yujonglee wrote:
| I acknowledge that it's outdated. When we were writing the
| landing page, we thought we could ship the first version of
| speaker diarization/identification within a few days.
|
| However, due to various challenges and priority changes, we
| haven't been able to do so yet. We'll update the landing
| page soon.
| Zardoz84 wrote:
| I would like to try this on Linux
| johntopia wrote:
| we move the status from "maybe" to "of course". we are
| definitely interested as well :)
| joos3 wrote:
| Let's go! Trying it out, appreciate you building this as the
| hosted/online alternatives (Granola, Notion recorder, ChatGPT
| recorder etc) don't really make sense if you can record locally.
| johntopia wrote:
| hope you give us some feedback that we can push further on!
| this is our discord(https://hyprnote.com/discord) if you're
| interested
| danneezhao wrote:
| How to deal with the AI meeting recording function that comes
| with conference software?
| johntopia wrote:
| hyprnote listens to both sounds coming out(system audio output)
| and going in(microphone input) so it will work perfectly fine
| with virtual meetings.
| kriro wrote:
| Curious what made you decide to start with the macOS version.
| Some insight that most potential customers are on Macs or simply
| "we use Macs, dogfood time"? I'd always target Windows first for
| these tools.
|
| Looks cool, I'll wait for the Linux version and try it.
|
| Integration of automatic translations could be an interesting
| business plan value-add. Branching out into CRM things also makes
| sense to me.
|
| Good luck, keep shipping.
| yujonglee wrote:
| Agreed. We are working on Windows too.
|
| For macOS, it is dogfooding, and also lots of AI models are Mac
| optimized + overall Mac device more powerful than windows, so
| suited to on-device thing.
| hidelooktropic wrote:
| Unfortunately the GPL license makes it dead in the water for
| using something like this at work
|
| :(
| mentalgear wrote:
| Why? You can use it, only if you want to extend the tool as
| part of your (paid) work, you are meant to contribute the code
| changes back.
|
| But none of it should prevent someone from just using it (GPL
| does not mean any usage data is being made "public").
| johntopia wrote:
| what are the licenses allowed for your company? would love to
| learn more.
| mentalgear wrote:
| Looks great & kudos for making it local-first & open-source, much
| appreciated!
|
| From a business perspective, and as someone looking also into the
| open-source model to launch tools, I'd be interested though how
| you expect revenue to be generated?
|
| Is it solely relying on the audience segment that doesn't know
| how to hook up the API manually to use the open-source version?
| How do you calculate this, since pushing it via open-
| source/github you would think that most people exposed to it are
| technical enough to just run it from source.
| yujonglee wrote:
| I mentioned about the monetization plan in other threads!
| (search with 'license').
|
| Hope that make sense
| polyaniline wrote:
| I just tried to build on Linux and it keeps panicking because it
| requires dozen(s) of API keys. I was not expecting that from
| local first software.
| hahajk wrote:
| I'm also interested in learning about why the API keys are
| required to build.
| yujonglee wrote:
| There are only 2 api keys that is required to build (POSTHOG,
| SENTRY), and also not required to build in dev, only in
| release build.
|
| I made it required to prevent accidentally ship app without
| any analytics/error tracking. (analytics can be opted out)
|
| For ex, https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/blob/327ef376c10
| 91d093c...
|
| EDIT: Prod -> release
| vanschelven wrote:
| You might want to reconsider "no data ever leaves your
| machine" from the post :)
|
| Given your target market, have you considered looking at
| Bugsink?[0] sentry compatible. still not local, but at
| least you won't have to additionally ask your customers to
| trust sentry/posthog.
|
| Disclosure: that's me
|
| [0] https://www.bugsink.com/
| yujonglee wrote:
| That is not actually required. You can even set empty key for
| that.
|
| Also Linux issue pointer:
| https://github.com/fastrepl/hyprnote/issues/67#issuecomment-...
| AlexErrant wrote:
| I'm building a voice-controlled app, so it requires
| transcription. The problem is that the app talks back, so some
| amount of AEC is needed. It looks like your "generic" AEC is ML
| powered, but your planned platform specific AEC may use non-ML
| tech (i.e. looks like you're considering Windows/Mac specific
| APIs). Have you had a bad experience with AI powered AEC?
| yujonglee wrote:
| > Have you had a bad experience with AI powered AEC?
|
| no. actually it is pretty good :)
| AlexErrant wrote:
| Forgive my probing, but why consider Windows/Mac specific
| APIs then?
| ljosa wrote:
| I just tried this for a standup meeting, and the inability to
| tell who said what is a show stopper. You'll need to add speaker
| diarization for this to be useful for more than 1:1s.
| johntopia wrote:
| agreed - we understand that speaker identification is crucial
| when it comes to extracting action items and we're actively
| working on this!
| believ3 wrote:
| Any plans to integrate with native Apple Notes app?
| yujonglee wrote:
| what kind of integration you expect? export?
| eawgewag wrote:
| I honestly don't care that much if Granola uploads my notes to
| some external service. Work conversations are not private
| anyways.
|
| HOWEVER, I was _extremely_ disturbed to find out that Granola was
| automatically making each of my notes folders _public to the
| entire organization_. Including 1:1s, you guessed it.
|
| Yeah, really shook my trust in this product by a lot.
| johntopia wrote:
| hyprnote stores and processes data entirely on-device -- but
| you can also bring your own model for better quality and have
| controllability.
| shepardrtc wrote:
| How much data is being sent to Sentry?
| yujonglee wrote:
| We don't do any manual call to Sentry at this point. Just
| standard report when something panics
| Myrmornis wrote:
| This looks exactly like something that I've been saying to myself
| that I want! Installed, and already used to transcribe two
| meetings. At the moment I think that I'm going to carry on using
| this. Keep going, it looks great!
| johntopia wrote:
| awesome! hope we can meet you in our discord :)
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