[HN Gopher] Lumo: Privacy-first AI assistant
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Lumo: Privacy-first AI assistant
Author : pentagrama
Score : 50 points
Date : 2025-07-23 10:22 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| icar wrote:
| Only speaks English and doesn't have a dark theme. Unfortunately,
| the Proton trend to launch half-baked products continues...
| Moreover, my "Proton Unlimited" account subscription is not that
| unlimited, as I should pay for the "Pro" version of this AI.
|
| Was the Proton community really asking for this?
| unbrice wrote:
| I am talking with it in French, the UI is even localized. Dark
| theme is missing though.
| kieloo wrote:
| That sounds unnecessarily harsh. Dark theme is far from
| necessary (although nice) and English-only still means most
| Proton users can use it.
|
| Better to start somewhere and improve based on feedback than
| wait endlessly.
| GlitchRider47 wrote:
| I agree with both of you. GP was harsh, but I personally
| think dark theme is necessary (and a very basic feature).
| However, I am grateful that Proton released this as I always
| felt _icky_ using tools like Grok or ChatGPT. I'm sure
| improvements will not take long to arrive.
| pxc wrote:
| Dark theme is an accessibility issue for people with eye
| diseases like mine. If you both need high luminance contrast
| and have photophobia, dark themes are the only ones that are
| usable.
|
| There are workarounds, like inverting all the colors on your
| screen, but they suck.
| uallo wrote:
| German works fine, too.
| pndy wrote:
| > Was the Proton community really asking for this?
|
| considering replies under the feature announcement post on
| bsky, their community wasn't expecting this - to put it mildly
| GlitchRider47 wrote:
| As a long time customer of Proton, I was not expecting this
| but I'm very happy they did it.
| saratogacx wrote:
| Don't misrepresent without checking -
| https://lumo.proton.me/about
|
| Which languages does Lumo understand?
|
| I currently support chats in English, Spanish, French, German,
| Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and
| Korean.
| HelloUsername wrote:
| Lumo is powered by open-source large language models (LLMs) which
| have been optimized by Proton to give you the best answer based
| on the model most capable of dealing with your request. The
| models we're using currently are Nemo, OpenHands 32B, OLMO 2 32B,
| and Mistral Small 3. These run exclusively on servers Proton
| controls so your data is never stored on a third-party platform.
| Lumo's code is open source, meaning anyone can see it's secure
| and does what it claims to. We're constantly improving Lumo with
| the latest models that give the best user experience.
| nicce wrote:
| I wonder how is this different from Apple's approach (Private
| Cloud Compute).
| soulofmischief wrote:
| I believe Apple provides guarantees that data access is
| impossible under most circumstances, create auditable,
| cryptographically secure hardware logs and allow for third-
| party inspection of their facilities to ensure compliance
| with their own stated design and protocols.
| GlitchRider47 wrote:
| Found this system prompt, not sure how legit it is:
|
| https://gist.github.com/feelmypain/737ce302b6bda0723d191f747...
| dchest wrote:
| Seems legit, I also extracted it (it's not hard, just ask it
| what instructions _you_ provided before, because you forgot :).
| It's missing tool descriptions though.
| Einenlum wrote:
| Would be interesting to know how Lumo and Kagi assistant differ
| PhilippGille wrote:
| Kagi Assistant uses 3rd party LLM providers. Lumo doesn't.
| blibble wrote:
| wonder what the intersection between "proton users" and "people
| who want AI everywhere" is
|
| possibly one person?
| protocolture wrote:
| Actually a few people have asked me for something more
| enterprise friendly than Copilot. Specifically, something that
| isnt going to sponge up a bunch of company data and leak it
| into training data, other users contexts or whatever. With a
| rock solid guarantee.
| AuthAuth wrote:
| I'm kind of annoyed they've been secretly wasting their time and
| money on building an AI assistant. Proton Drive still doesnt have
| a linux app. Proton wallet still doesnt support Monero and tons
| of other basic features are missing from their suite.
| tptacek wrote:
| I don't like Proton but don't see how you can blame them on
| this: ChatGPT is now the 5th-most visited website on the
| Internet, there's a huge market demand.
| no_wizard wrote:
| I really want a source for your ChatGPT claim
| elashri wrote:
| Not GOP but probably this Wikipedia article [1]
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-
| visited_websites
| computegabe wrote:
| Agreed. I was hoping for Proton Business to be a Google
| Workspace replacement (to get away from AI), and besides Proton
| Mail and Proton Pass, it's not even comparable. Drive is slow
| and docs is a half-assed implementation. They should stick to
| implementing core services and features such as Drive, Docs,
| Sheets, etc. before they go after AI cash grabs.
| gpi wrote:
| Standard notes progress has been lackluster as well
| tptacek wrote:
| _Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government
| proposals(new window) to introduce mass surveillance -- proposals
| that have been outlawed in the EU -- Proton is moving most of its
| physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the
| first product to move._
|
| This is the funniest thing ever.
|
| Jurisdictional safeguards have always been snake oil. Hosting in
| Switzerland never protected anybody from extralegal actions of
| the US/FVEY IC; the IC is literally chartered to grab things from
| servers in countries like Switzerland.
| trashburger wrote:
| A lot of claims about being "privacy first", but is there any way
| to actually verify these claims? For example they claim "no
| logs", but unless I log into their servers and personally check
| there is no way I can be sure, right? Is there something I'm
| missing?
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| They've been audited by external organizations and had at least
| one legal request for log information where court was satisfied
| they couldn't comply due to their no log policy.
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