[HN Gopher] How I lost my backpack with passports and laptop
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       How I lost my backpack with passports and laptop
        
       Author : eatitraw
       Score  : 103 points
       Date   : 2025-07-15 17:35 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | DonHopkins wrote:
       | My late friend Hugh Daniel used to refer to his Bihn's backpack
       | [1] as his "LSD", for "Life Support Device". Like when we were
       | leaving the house he'd shout in his boisterous voice so all the
       | neighbors could hear, "Oh no, I forgot my LSD! I'll be right
       | back!" then run back in and fetch his backpack.
       | 
       | But now my smartphone is my LSD.
       | 
       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13687369
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | Except it's really not if you're traveling internationally.
        
           | LeafItAlone wrote:
           | >Except it's really not if you're traveling internationally.
           | 
           | What do you mean?
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | Not having a passport is a big issue that will take a lot
             | of hassle to deal with. Probably a generational thing but
             | losing my passport feels like a much bigger deal than my
             | phone if I've taken reasonable precautions. In fact, my
             | iPhone broke 4 or 5 years ago on a trip and I was fine.
        
             | mijoharas wrote:
             | I think he's saying you don't want to go shouting "I've got
             | my LSD with me" in an airport.
        
           | ta1243 wrote:
           | I'd rather be stuck in an international country with only a
           | phone than only a passport. Hell even when I've been in war
           | zones if it's a choice between a working phone (sat phone for
           | example) and a flak jacket, I'd go for the former.
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | Good luck getting home with just your phone.
        
         | nancyminusone wrote:
         | Should have called it a BOMB - Backpack Of My Belongings. Great
         | for airports!
        
       | criddell wrote:
       | I've never heard of phenibut before. It sounds interesting.
        
         | bn-l wrote:
         | I think it may cause cognitive decline. I mean longterm.
         | 
         | It was rightly banned in Australia. Fuckwits had a tendency of
         | buying it online and then taking huge doses without a break
         | (sensitisation) and then posting essays on the sheer horror
         | they go through when the drug leaves their system and they
         | rebound.
         | 
         | A nice reminder to libertarians that, yes you may be smart and
         | careful with risk taking but there are many fuckwits who aren't
         | and shouldn't have to suffer because of it unnecessarily.
        
           | zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
           | Their body, their choice. Why should people who can use it
           | responsibly be denied? And worse, why should they be punished
           | if they choose to use it regardless of legality?
        
             | vkou wrote:
             | Surely there's some sensible ground between ruining the
             | lives of addicts and putting heroin into elementary school
             | vending machines.
             | 
             | Libertarianism as an ideology does not have the tools to
             | deal with the harms of the latter.
        
               | ulrikrasmussen wrote:
               | Libertarianism is stupid, but I also think GP is using it
               | as an easy straw-man to justify prohibition.
        
             | HighGoldstein wrote:
             | > Their body, their choice. Why should people who can use
             | it responsibly be denied? And worse, why should they be
             | punished if they choose to use it regardless of legality?
             | 
             | Because we don't live in isolated universes of
             | individuality. When they cause massive damage to their
             | bodies and minds, that cost is not only borne by themselves
             | but by their close circle and society at large. You can
             | argue that prohibition is not the right approach to
             | preventing these problems, but doing the non-optimal thing
             | is better than doing nothing at all.
        
               | lisbbb wrote:
               | This is precisely why my enthusiasm for libertarianism
               | has waned over the years--a lot of things just don't
               | scale and I think benevolent anarchy is one of those
               | things. It just becomes pure anarchy with all the Mad Max
               | horrors.
        
               | mft_ wrote:
               | There are many 'everyday' activities, foods, and
               | substances that can be shown to be harmful to the
               | individual in the long term, and thus have a negative
               | effect on their close circle, the healthcare system, and
               | potentially society, but which are socially acceptable
               | and so remain.
               | 
               | e.g.
               | 
               | Alcohol is worse than no alcohol, for many reasons.
               | 
               | Smoking cigarettes, obvs.
               | 
               | Eating meat is worse that not eating meat.
               | 
               | Doing woodwork without breathing protection may damage
               | your lungs.
               | 
               | Cleaning with spray cleaning products regularly may
               | damage your lungs.
               | 
               | Sun exposure increases your skin cancer risk.
               | 
               | Running is more likely to cause arthritis than cycling or
               | swimming.
               | 
               | Loud environments may damage your hearing.
               | 
               | Insufficiently frequent ejaculation may increase your
               | risk of prostate cancer.
               | 
               | Yes, I'm being deliberately absurd to make the point, but
               | still: where, and how, to draw the line?
        
           | ulrikrasmussen wrote:
           | I don't think you have to be libertarian to think that there
           | are responsible and better models for drug regulation in
           | between the two extremes of being able to order it in huge
           | quantities online and outright prohibiting it. As a
           | recreational and responsible drug user, I think the current
           | model is a violation of my right to call the shots on my own
           | body and mind.
        
           | anonym29 wrote:
           | Some peoole beat their wives when they drink, so the state
           | has decided that it is in everyone's best interest for
           | alcohol to become illegal.
           | 
           | Some people become unproductive and hurt themselves when on
           | drugs, so the state has decided to enact a war on drugs.
           | 
           | Some people injure themselves trying to procure abortions, so
           | the state has decided no more abortions.
           | 
           | Some protesters cause war recruiting efforts to struggle
           | during Vietnam, which hurts soldiers already deployed, so the
           | state has decided no more anti-war protests.
           | 
           | Some people misuse privacy to commit crimes, so the state has
           | decided that every citizen must be fingerprinted and put into
           | a police database preemptively to prevent crime.
           | 
           | Some people aren't productive enough and others are forced to
           | pick up the slack, so the state has decided to humanely
           | euthanize the disabled to protect workers.
           | 
           | Trust the state, relinquish your freedoms, the state knows
           | best and the state never makes mistakes!
        
             | throw0101c wrote:
             | > _Some peoole beat their wives when they drink, so the
             | state has decided that it is in everyone 's best interest
             | for alcohol to become illegal._
             | 
             | If anyone is curious about the history in the US, Ken
             | Burns' doc (based on a book) is really good:
             | 
             | * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_(miniseries)
        
             | root_axis wrote:
             | This is just half a dozen examples of the slippery slope
             | fallacy. You could make identically generic arguments for
             | every good law that we all agree on. The specifics of the
             | law in question are a required component of the
             | conversation.
             | 
             | > _the state knows best and the state never makes
             | mistakes!_
             | 
             | Nobody believes this. Everyone is comfortable with the
             | risks of the state when it comes to rights and laws they
             | believe should be enforced.
        
           | os2warpman wrote:
           | >and then posting essays on the sheer horror they go through
           | when the drug leaves their system and they rebound.
           | 
           | There are very few things, concepts, or sensations more
           | annoying than a junkie telling everyone about what it's like
           | to be a junkie.
           | 
           | Listening to a fork-tongued megachurch preacher telling you
           | you're going to hell while begging for money is less of a
           | chore than some pothead wondering aloud if people see colors
           | differently.
        
             | drdaeman wrote:
             | Do you mean you would prefer an intentionally harmful but
             | pretending to be coherent speech to a less coherent but
             | generally harmless one?
        
         | narrator wrote:
         | It's basically a legal benzo like Xanax. Witness the horrors
         | over here: http://old.reddit.com/r/quittingphenibut
        
           | pavel_lishin wrote:
           | Thanks. The extollation of it in the article definitely felt
           | too good to be true.
        
           | debarshri wrote:
           | Side effects seem so crazy. Phew, pure horror.
        
           | flotzam wrote:
           | It's not a benzo, but it is a GABAergic drug. The ironclad
           | law to avoid brutal dependency and addiction is to never take
           | it more than once every 7 days, preferably less frequently
           | than that. No redosing on the same day either. This means it
           | will take a couple weeks to slowly find an effective dose.
           | 
           | https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Phenibut
        
             | tartoran wrote:
             | What's the effect? Did you ever try it yourself?
        
               | flotzam wrote:
               | It really is a social anxiety off switch for me (once it
               | fully kicks in after 5+ hours, lasting for about 24 hours
               | before things slowly return to baseline). Alcohol in
               | troubling quantities has that effect to a lesser extent,
               | but of course it's sloppy as hell too and I hate the
               | hangover. Not so with phenibut.
               | 
               | That makes it tempting to use before 7 days have passed
               | _just for this one social occasion_. Although committing
               | to not do that has flipped the dynamic: Even after enough
               | time has passed I 'm reconsidering, is today actually
               | worth using it and being "blocked" for another week
               | during which something more interesting might come up?
               | Trying to make my occasional visit to normie vibe space
               | count, it's kind of nice there.
        
         | Liftyee wrote:
         | It sounds too good to be true... article mentioned none of the
         | side effects that other commenters had rightly pointed out.
         | Otherwise I would actually be tempted, but there are no free
         | lunches (especially when messing with your biology).
        
       | theamk wrote:
       | tl/dr how it was lost:
       | 
       | > The last thing I remembered was leaving a party at my friend's
       | cafe, very drunk.
       | 
       | and how it was found:
       | 
       | > I received a letter to my mailbox address in London. A man
       | named Simon wrote: he had found my backpack and wanted to return
       | it.
        
         | rob_c wrote:
         | For London that's a shock. Source lived their, had friends that
         | lived there and had friends who studied there... And by there I
         | mean 4 of 6 nominal zones connected by the tin can on rails
         | known as the tube.
        
           | dijit wrote:
           | London is like three (or more) cities stitched together
           | haphazardly.
           | 
           | Lose your bag in Lewisham? Good luck.
           | 
           | Lose your bag in the touristy districts (Westminster,
           | Leicester Square)? It's possible, but I doubt it.
           | 
           | Lose your bag in Clapham North or Kensington? You're probably
           | fine.
        
       | rob_c wrote:
       | Couldn't finish. This is less about losing a laptop and more
       | about comparing oneself to eccentric billionaires in the valley.
       | 
       | For every jobs dying of vanity remember there's probably a
       | thousand multi-millionaires living very happily making rational
       | decisions.
        
       | StrandedKitty wrote:
       | > sleeping on phenibut is very restful
       | 
       | Is this just you subjective experience or is it backed by some
       | data or research? For me personally, sleeping after phenibut
       | doesn't feel healthy at all -- in fact I often end up sleeping
       | for 12+ hours unless I have something important to do in the
       | morning, and it's extremely hard to get out of bed every time.
        
         | ddtaylor wrote:
         | I don't know if it compares to Ambien at all, but my wife takes
         | that and every once in a while I take one to help get to sleep.
         | It gets me to sleep and I stay knocked out, but a long 8 hour
         | sleep with Ambien never seems as good as a "real" 5 hour sleep
         | without it.
        
       | jrochkind1 wrote:
       | i'm trying to figure out if the laptop and passport were still in
       | the backback when found? I think so?!
        
         | codingminds wrote:
         | Based on this:
         | 
         | > Simon gave my backpack back to me intact.
         | 
         | I'd say yes.
        
           | ted_dunning wrote:
           | That reading skill you have is really impressive.
           | 
           | I can't even imagine a world in which everybody could do it!
           | 
           | (sarcasm intended for the grand-poster, not you)
        
       | NamTaf wrote:
       | I had my backpack - with (work) laptop, both passports, _wallet_
       | , _house keys_ , etc. - stolen from a pub in Euston a couple of
       | years ago. All that remained in my pockets was my phone & power
       | bank, and airpods. It was stolen by a guy who went into the pub
       | we were at, sat at an adjacent table, pretended to study the
       | menu, deposited a dummy backpack to the communal pile under our
       | table when we were standing to greet people, then picked up the
       | heaviest one (mine) and walked out. Unlike the author, I wasn't
       | black-out drunk, we were just distracted and someone was able to
       | do a sleight of hand when we weren't paying attention.
       | 
       | The author is _very_ lucky to get theirs back. I had to replace
       | it all. As they say, replacing the UK one wasn 't too bad -
       | though I hadn't been in the UK for 2 years by that point so I had
       | to get extra guarantors to sign photos and write a declaration.
       | The other one was a nightmare, and by pure luck the embassy could
       | look up my last application and pull the birth certificate
       | reference number for me. Again, 2 guarantors and I was very lucky
       | to have a friend from that country visiting.
       | 
       | I reported it as stolen, hoping that they'd steal the laptop and
       | wallet and then ditch the rest. Unfortunately, either nobody
       | found it or nobody turned it in. Of course, the CCTV that was in
       | the pub was 'too blurry' to be of any use. CCTV has a funny
       | tendency of being useless in that regard.
       | 
       | In my case, I crashed at a friend's place that evening, and then
       | went down to my local makerspace for lack of wanting to pay a
       | locksmith PSfuckloads to unlock my door on a Sunday. By pure
       | luck, there was a lockpicking nerd there and they came and
       | slipped my door for me. Thankfully, that was enough to help
       | offset a lot of the negativity of the whole affair. I felt like I
       | got off lucky a bit, and didn't dwell so much on it as a result.
        
         | robaato wrote:
         | 20 years ago I had a somewhat similar experience - a pub off
         | The Strand in central London.
         | 
         | My bag/briefcase was under a (high) table, and in that case the
         | pub was able to view CCTV and work out the guy who sat nearby
         | and hooked his leg to grab my bag - while I was distracted.
         | 
         | Luckily for me, while it contained laptop and passport, I got a
         | call 20 mins later from my wife, who had been contacted by
         | someone 100m away in a different pub. The thief had taken my
         | bag with laptop, not realised there was also a passport in
         | there, gone to another pub, stolen another bag, switched my
         | laptop into said bag, and gone off. The owner of other lost
         | laptop had found my (empty) bag/passport, rang my wife, and we
         | met and at least I got bag (and passport) back...
         | 
         | Net result, lost laptop, but not lost passport. Much less
         | hassle, although still a wake up call...
        
           | robaato wrote:
           | As an aside, a friend in Tokyo only a couple of years ago
           | suddenly realised he had lost his passport. A couple of hours
           | of searching bags later, panic when he realised it was mid
           | afternoon Friday, consulate was going to close soon, and not
           | reopen until Monday - with his flight scheduled Monday early!
           | 
           | Rang the consulate to ask advice: "oh yes, police station XXX
           | rang us to report they had had your passport handed in -
           | please go and pick it up!". So we did!
           | 
           | Lovely country Japan in many ways! It had just dropped out of
           | his bag onto pavement, been found and handed in...
        
             | thevillagechief wrote:
             | A smallish city in Pennsylvania. Dropped my wallet/id and
             | work badge rushing to catch the bus to work. Someone picked
             | it up, googled me, found an article from the local
             | newspaper announcing my wedding, all with my home address,
             | dropped the items in my mailbox and called my office to let
             | me know. That was when I knew that my local paper still
             | publishes marriages, divorces and bankruptcies, complete
             | with all personal details. That was scary.
        
               | chasd00 wrote:
               | Names, addresses, and phone numbers use to be published
               | and distributed for free. It was called a "phone book".
        
           | ryandrake wrote:
           | Wasn't the whole point of blanketing the country with CCTV to
           | catch criminals? If it's too low res to even work out
           | someone's face to the point where you can identify him, then
           | what are all those cameras achieving?
        
             | ajb wrote:
             | For the pub, probably a discount on insurance.
        
               | cjrp wrote:
               | Yep, they're probably more interested in deterring
               | burglars.
        
             | lisbbb wrote:
             | Anarcho-tyranny. It's not so much to catch the career
             | criminals as it is to make sure that no political
             | organizing can happen on any scale major enough to disrupt
             | the machine. The criminals are encouraged in order to
             | terrorize the public so that they beg for bigger
             | government, higher taxes, and more centralized control
             | structures. The elite running the show don't actually care
             | about "little people." Any care that actually takes place
             | is incidental, more up to the local constabulary or local
             | officials who aren't completely on board with the bigger
             | picture.
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | _> had my backpack - with (work) laptop, both passports,
         | wallet, house keys, etc. - stolen_
         | 
         | I've made a similar experience a while back. Since then I've
         | completely reduced the number of important items I carry around
         | simultaneously in the same bag/location.
        
         | crinkly wrote:
         | Lived in London for over 40 years. Never let your stuff out of
         | sight for a minute. My foot always goes through a loop on my
         | bag. Had at least two attempts to grab it which was stopped
         | dead by this. I use a knackered looking Osprey daylite plus bag
         | which has straps around the zips that stops people casually
         | having a go at it as well. Mostly no issues in the last 10
         | years but I know people who are careless and have been done a
         | few times.
         | 
         | My general travel experience, outside the UK, is that if you
         | dress down, use a knackered looking bag and a shitty no brand
         | knackered phone case and people will leave you alone. Passport
         | goes on you in a zipped inner pocket anywhere on the planet.
         | Same with wallet, keys, anything. Never wear anything that
         | indicates you have an iPhone worth nicking. Apple Watch /
         | Airpods make you a target.
         | 
         | Many people aren't travel savvy. It scares me.
        
           | olalonde wrote:
           | One thing that really struck me in Dubai: I watched a group
           | of girls leave their designer purses and phones unattended on
           | a table. They just left the coffee shop and came back over 10
           | minutes later.
        
             | dr_dshiv wrote:
             | I was encouraged to leave my wallet and phone on the table
             | of time out, while we went and got food. My friends
             | rationale was: there are CCTVs everywhere and thieves are
             | dealt with very harshly. So eff it
        
             | firtoz wrote:
             | In Dubai the punishment I'd expect to be much worse if you
             | do end up getting caught stealing.
        
               | atlasunshrugged wrote:
               | From your and other comments in the thread, it sounds
               | like the main deterrence then is 1) that it's likely
               | you'll be caught and 2) that if caught, the punishment
               | will be quite harsh.
               | 
               | I wonder if the UK and other cities are struggling more
               | with the first or second
        
               | defrost wrote:
               | I've travelled to a majority of countries across the
               | globe (exploration geophysics, mostly in the air or deep
               | backcountry, rarely in major cities) and Dubai is another
               | city within a city location; two state; the rich are rich
               | and have no need to steal, or are brazen about it, while
               | the poor are segregated, curfewed and routinely
               | castigated.
               | 
               | These are not places were you want to fall the wrong side
               | of the invisible barrier.
        
             | gamblor956 wrote:
             | Theft is punished very severely there. Not worth the risk.
        
           | codezero wrote:
           | Glad to hear I'm not the only one who always has the loop
           | around their foot! Minimal inconvenience for the potential
           | loss.
        
             | olalonde wrote:
             | Just a heads up - there seems to be an issue with your HN
             | account. Nearly all of your comments are showing up as
             | dead.
        
               | codezero wrote:
               | Yeah I'm pretty sure I got limited because I said
               | multiple stupid things, appreciate the heads up but I'll
               | take my punishment :)
        
               | clickety_clack wrote:
               | You can't leave your comments out of your sight for a
               | second around here!
        
           | atlasunshrugged wrote:
           | Wow, I have to say it's a bit crazy that you have to go
           | through all this effort in what I think of as quite a safe
           | city. I was recently in London for a week of meetings and
           | someone said be careful about having your phone out in case
           | someone snatches it but I thought they were being hyperbolic.
           | 
           | Why isn't there a bigger crackdown on such petty crime? I
           | guess people think they can get away with it, but it feels
           | like one of those creeping issues that might seem small at
           | first but deters important activity (tourism, business
           | relocation, etc.) longterm if not addressed.
        
             | secondcoming wrote:
             | Because the police don't care, and these crimes are
             | generally impossible to solve.
             | 
             | There are stories of people finding their stolen bicycles,
             | motorbikes or cars, and when informing the police they're
             | told to 'steal it back'.
             | 
             | The phones thieves are generally youths riding around the
             | city on electric bikes, fully balaclava'd up. There's
             | little chance of catching them. Even if they were caught
             | nothing would happen to them.
             | 
             | London has apparently gone to shit since I lived there 5
             | years ago.
        
             | daymanstep wrote:
             | > Why isn't there a bigger crackdown on such petty crime?
             | 
             | Many reasons.
             | 
             | 1. UK prisons are already overflowing. Even violent
             | criminals like rapists and murderers are only serving half
             | of their sentences. When there were riots recently the
             | government had to let many criminals go early just to make
             | room for rioters. There is basically no room for petty
             | criminals. The police know this which is why they don't
             | even bother arresting petty criminals since they will just
             | be let go free anyway.
             | 
             | 2. U.K. police has been underfunded for decades at this
             | point. There were severe cuts under the earlier Tory regime
             | and now under the Labour regime it continues to be
             | underfunded with the police chief suggesting to cut the
             | number of police forces from 43 to 12. At this point the
             | police basically do not care about any property crime since
             | they prioritize violent crimes (rightly in my opinion).
             | 
             | 3. British legal system and British society in general has
             | trends that favor increase in crime e.g. loosening of
             | social controls (loss of social stigmas etc) increased
             | movement, freedom of movement (people move around more
             | freely instead of staying in the same village their entire
             | lifetime) lack of tracking, lack of interest in tracking
             | (e.g. London has about same number of CCTV cameras as China
             | yet Chinese government is able to use its camera to track
             | criminals much more effectively than the British).
             | 
             | Could also talk about changes in society (loss of social
             | capital aka Bowling Alone), increased immigration, changes
             | in parenting (single parents etc) but those are topics of
             | discussion for different time.
        
         | nickjj wrote:
         | > CCTV has a funny tendency of being useless in that regard
         | 
         | I don't think it's safe to depend on this by default.
         | 
         | I know a few business owners who have video (and audio)
         | recording set ups in their business where 100+ customers come
         | and go daily.
         | 
         | There might be 6 motion activated cameras saving everything to
         | a local box in the store. That box might have let's say 1TB of
         | disk space. Even with motion activated cameras it could fill up
         | in ~3 weeks to where it's no longer recording.
         | 
         | Once it gets filled up, it gets permanently deleted with no
         | backups. This could be a manual and adhoc process, it depends
         | on the owner.
         | 
         | I never had any say in how they operate, just repeating what
         | I've heard and seen.
         | 
         | This idea of trusting that companies record and save all
         | interactions and calls indefinitely is no way something I'd
         | trust for anything important.
        
           | Someone wrote:
           | > This idea of trusting that companies record and save all
           | interactions and calls indefinitely is no way something I'd
           | trust for anything important.
           | 
           | In many jurisdictions, it is against the law to record and
           | save all interactions and calls indefinitely.
           | 
           | Often, law says you can only make video recordings for a
           | given, legal, purpose. If the goal is to deter crime and help
           | solve crimes, keeping recordings around for a few weeks is
           | allowed, but keeping them forever typically isn't.
        
         | cjrp wrote:
         | I witnessed almost the exact same thing on an adjacent table;
         | someone crouching down pretending to do their shoelaces for a
         | suspiciously long time. Unfortunately I didn't click what was
         | going on until after they'd left.
        
         | chasd00 wrote:
         | heh someone broke into a house i was staying at in Costa Rica
         | and stole my backpack while i was working in the next room! I
         | go back to get something and there's footprints in/out of a
         | sliding glass door and no backpack. Fortunately, the only thing
         | they got was my ADHD medicine. Sorta sucked for my employer for
         | those 3 weeks I was without but it could have been much worse.
         | 
         | Interestingly, i did my best to follow the footsteps which led
         | to a trail that went up through the jungle. Maybe 100 yards up
         | a hill there was a little spot that definitely looked well used
         | by humans overlooking the house and straight through a large
         | window. I suspect whoever it was had been watching us for a
         | while and when my wife/kids left, leaving me alone, just walked
         | in, grabbed the backpack and left. (wife was not pleased as you
         | could imagine)
        
           | brailsafe wrote:
           | > Fortunately, the only thing they got was my ADHD medicine
           | 
           | Good time to start binging Costa Rican specialty coffee. A
           | liter a day keeps the ADHD at bay ;)
           | 
           | (somewhat joking, milage may vary, real meds help, but
           | coffee's good in high quantities in a pinch)
        
       | LeafItAlone wrote:
       | >A couple of years ago, I would have panicked at this moment. I'm
       | pretty neurotic: my mind is constantly occupied with producing
       | negative scenarios that "need" to be considered and anticipated.
       | I eat myself from inside out with endless "what ifs", calculating
       | worst-case scenarios and failures -- all that sort of thing.
       | 
       | I can relate strongly to this. ADHD and OCD tendencies made
       | leaving for even a vacation frustrating. I think part of that was
       | growing up in a situation where losing something important like a
       | phone or laptop was a financial hardship that meant real, lasting
       | pain.
       | 
       | Now, as I am older and more financially stable, I only really
       | worry that I have my phone and wallet. And really I only need one
       | of them. All of my IDs are scanned and backed up online. I just
       | need a device and internet connection and I can recover enough of
       | my life to get home, where I can get back on track and order new
       | items. When going over our final leave-list, my partner and I
       | typically just end with "and we have a credit card, so it doesn't
       | matter if we've forgotten something".
       | 
       | When traveling to more remote places with less of a chance of
       | being able to replace a phone at short notice, I do bring an old
       | phone as backup.
        
         | et-al wrote:
         | > I just need a device and internet connection and I can
         | recover enough of my life to get home
         | 
         | How do you deal with 2FA? Do you memorize a few of your backup
         | codes?
        
           | haiku2077 wrote:
           | I use 1Password as my 2FA app. They have a recovery kit you
           | can print out and store in safe places, or if you have a
           | device that you've previously set up, you can authenticate to
           | your vault.
           | 
           | https://support.1password.com/emergency-kit/
        
           | skrebbel wrote:
           | Not GP, but my solution is to just not use 2FA if I can at
           | all avoid it. After all, 2FA is 99% security theater anyway (
           | _if_ you have a randomly generated unguessable password in a
           | decent password manager).
        
             | Beijinger wrote:
             | Very true. I would love to get an YubiKey. But if I set up
             | everything with this and I lose it abroad, then I am f...
             | Could get two and have one FedExed to me if SHTF, but I
             | think I pass.
        
           | justinc8687 wrote:
           | I use the technique of taping a microsd card with copies of
           | my passport, credit cards, 2fa backup codes, etc, encrypted;
           | along with a $100 to the bottom of my insole inside my shoe.
           | Put them in a little "crack sized" ziplock, add lots of
           | gaffers tape (so if you take the insole out it's not obvious,
           | plus makes it a bit waterproof) and if I ever get mugged, I
           | have enough cash to get a cab (or depending on where I am,
           | pay a bribe) and then find a computer I can use to get my
           | info and figure out next steps.
           | 
           | Normally carry a yubikey with me (2, in fact, one on me, one
           | in my big bag at my hostel / hotel). But if I get mugged
           | between airport - hostel, then at least I have the shoe
           | backup.
           | 
           | A 3rd level is that my parents have a yubikey and 2fa backup
           | codes for me. They dont have my passwords, but in a pinch, I
           | can call them to read me a code.
           | 
           | Very open to ideas on things to improve...
        
             | nirv wrote:
             | _> Very open to ideas on things to improve..._
             | 
             | Grade 316 stainless steel SD cards by Lexar come to
             | mind[1].
             | 
             | [1] https://www.lexar.com/global/news/Lexar-Announces-
             | Worlds-Fir...
        
         | nickjj wrote:
         | > I think part of that was growing up in a situation where
         | losing something important like a phone or laptop was a
         | financial hardship that meant real, lasting pain.
         | 
         | The brain is interesting, that's for sure. Old habits and
         | mindsets stick around a long time.
         | 
         | I still write important things on paper like final destination
         | addresses or reservation numbers because I don't trust my
         | phone.
         | 
         | When I went on a solo 2 week Euro trip to Portugal and Spain
         | last year I had ~30 printed pieces of paper of reservation
         | details / maps in my backpack just in case something happened
         | with my phone. I didn't carry them all with me everywhere but
         | as time went on in the trip, I brought the specific ones with
         | me for that day in a day bag.
         | 
         | I didn't plan the trip in too much detail, mainly just hotel
         | reservations and high level bullets for things to do in the few
         | cities I went to but having everything printed gave me peace of
         | mind. I didn't have to use a single piece of paper in the end.
         | 
         | It does make me think how much easier it would be traveling
         | with a friend or partner because having 2 phones is a massive
         | perk for redundancy.
        
           | avh02 wrote:
           | When i was single I used to pack a spare (smaller, older)
           | phone on bigger trips, one would stay off in my
           | daybag/backpack to be used in case something happened and my
           | regular was in my pocket. Now, yeah, it's silly to pack it as
           | my partner's is the backup.
        
       | sixhobbits wrote:
       | I have airtags in my backpack, briefcase, wallet, luggage and
       | keys now. One of the best qol improvements I've done. I'm
       | careless and forget stuff a lot and even just saving the few
       | minutes it regularly took me to find stuff misplaced at home is
       | great. It also let me recover my bag when I forgot it on a train
       | (I watched it go to a holding station overnight and travel all
       | over the country the next day, and could then anticipate where it
       | would be and go take it back)
       | 
       | I also have a similar experience to that described in the article
       | (nearly 10 years ago, pre airtags) of having my wallet drop out
       | my pocket while cycling in the Netherlands. A German couple found
       | it and took it back to Germany with them as they weren't sure
       | what to do. They found me on Facebook, asked if it was ok to take
       | some cash from the wallet, and put it in the post back to me in
       | NL.
       | 
       | Coming from South Africa which probably has similarities to
       | Russia in terms of return rates for lost valuable belongings it
       | was quite a defining moment of "Europe" for me.
        
       | libraryofbabel wrote:
       | I have a similar story, one that also took place in London. I had
       | my bag stolen from under a chair outside a pub near UCL. It
       | contained various important things including my passport, a
       | journal with about six month's of writing in it, critical notes
       | for a project I was working on, etc. I was devastated.
       | 
       | A week later I had mostly made my peace with losing all my stuff
       | and was about to apply, for a new passport, when I received a
       | very posh letter in the post with an imposing coat of arms atop
       | it; it was from the Duke of Bedford's estate, which owns most of
       | the land all around Bloomsbury. They told me they had found my
       | bag in the locked garden in the middle of Bedford Square. The
       | thieves must have thrown it over the railings, and fortunately
       | there was a letter addressed to me inside it that gave away my
       | address. I went to their very grand estate office to collect it
       | and, amazingly, everything was still there, including the
       | passport which the thieves apparently did not want.
        
       | throwawayffffas wrote:
       | See given this is hackernews. I was hoping for software bug
       | shipped it to Saint Kitts or something, but was disappointed.
        
       | hungryhobbit wrote:
       | Don't do drugs kids.
       | 
       | There, I just saved you from having to read the long ramblings of
       | a drug addict who did too many drugs ... and lost his backpack.
        
       | PokemonNoGo wrote:
       | Honestly. When I was a kid 20 years ago backpacking around i was
       | worried about this. Now I'm also worried about it but honestly
       | there aren't very many issues. I've had temporary passports
       | issued, cancelled cards, new phones setup on "new sims". One
       | thing I did carry back then was keys. I don't anymore. The rest
       | is just so easy to replace these days. My laptop is insured and
       | so is my work one.
        
       | jdalgetty wrote:
       | Fun story
        
       | MarkusWandel wrote:
       | Super entertaining read, in exactly the way that LLM-generated
       | pablum isn't.
        
       | gwbas1c wrote:
       | Alcohol makes my stomach very upset, perhaps because I can't
       | burp.
       | 
       | Stories like this make me thankful that it is very painful for me
       | to drink more than 2 beers, even though I very much enjoy beer.
        
         | arrowsmith wrote:
         | You can't burp?
        
           | munificent wrote:
           | "Abelchia" is the charming medical term.
           | 
           | Interestingly, there is a relatively new treatment for it
           | that involves injecting botox into the cricopharyngeus
           | muscle. While the botox wears off relatively quickly, in many
           | cases the cure is permanent.
           | 
           | It's like the muscles needs to learn how to relax and once
           | they have, they retain that capability.
        
             | gwbas1c wrote:
             | Yeah, I found out about that recently after a very painful
             | plane ride. I periodically see an ENT, so I'm going to ask
             | about it the next time I go.
             | 
             | BTW, my current trick is to basically (almost) trigger
             | myself to vomit. The burps come out but everything else
             | stays in.
        
       | gumboshoes wrote:
       | This is a dream I have a few times a year. The panic! The horror!
       | Everything gone. Just the feeling of personal loss and
       | devastation every time I have the dream.
        
       | kshacker wrote:
       | Story of a recovered passport - no alcohol and 21 years back.
       | 
       | Was visiting Toronto labor day weekend 2004 with a freshly minted
       | green card and India's passport with family (wife+2kids). Was in
       | Eaton center, we were trying to take a train/metro to somewhere,
       | kept my waist pouch (that I used those days) on top of the
       | stroller's canopy to pay at the ticket counter and when I was
       | done, of course the pouch was not there.
       | 
       | The realization of theft was immediate. I could not have dropped
       | it earlier since I just took the money out. It disappeared in the
       | last one minute. BTW, not just the pouch, even the wallet was
       | gone as I had taken only the cash and put everything on top of
       | the stroller's canopy. Wallet, Passports, Green Card - all gone.
       | 
       | Talked to the Mall security, they did not do much except write a
       | report and make me call credit card companies to cancel the
       | cards. Then went to police, but police said they can not do
       | anything without an ID and asked me to get an ID (temporary or
       | whatever from my embassy). Of course it is a Sunday and the
       | embassy is closed. Could go back to hotel, still had access to
       | rental car (that we decided not to use for this trip), but that
       | was it. Tried to think through this but nope - this was so
       | unchartered I did not know what to do. What will happen to work,
       | how will I get passport, how will we get green card reprocessed,
       | how will we pay the hotel (since the cards were canceled) -
       | complete (but not visible) panic.
       | 
       | Thankfully my company had offices in Toronto, so found some
       | connections and trying to talk to them on what will happen if I
       | got stranded in Toronto like this. They started looking into
       | this.
       | 
       | Also talked to my landlord back in US and ask him to be prepared
       | to go to our apartment and pull out the green card files. Told
       | him I will call back if I need help.
       | 
       | By now it is 2+ hours. We are walking back to Hotel, and I get a
       | call (thanks cellphones) from someone saying they found my pouch
       | with passports. It appears my checkbook was also in the pouch and
       | that had my phone number. They are not nearby - "oh I found it on
       | the train as I was leaving" and now you will need to come here,
       | about 45 minutes west from there. I say sure I will be there as
       | soon as I can. I call my company's contact and they provide me an
       | escort since it was an unknown area to me (and them). I get the
       | car, my wife does not want me to go alone so it is all of us, we
       | pick up my "colleague" from his home, and land up at the place we
       | were asked to.
       | 
       | Thankfully a person comes down from a tall building and hands me
       | the bag. The bag had 300-400 when I lost it, but now it is just
       | 20 bucks. He says that's how it was. And then he asks me for a
       | finders fee - I give the 20 bucks to him, and move on.
       | 
       | Except the money, got back everything else. Phew.
       | 
       | [ Edit - Trying to remember the scenario more since I came back
       | here to respond to a question. My wallet was definitely gone. How
       | did the mall security get me to cancel the cards? As I recall, we
       | called 2 credit card companies ... and canceled those cards based
       | on the social, but at that point I was sure the mall security was
       | not going to help, so I said those were all the cards I had and
       | left from there. ]
        
         | em-bee wrote:
         | _police said they can not do anything without an ID and asked
         | me to get an ID (temporary or whatever from my embassy)_
         | 
         | that makes no sense. in order to get a new passport/ID, even a
         | temporary one from the embassy of my country i need to have a
         | police report and my birth certificate (which could take time
         | to get). in other words, police needs to act first. sounds like
         | that cop had no clue.
        
           | kshacker wrote:
           | I hear you but 1) this is decades back and my best memory -
           | we did walk out of their building without results (or a
           | report), 2) how does a cop verify the veracity of someone
           | random claiming to have lost all forms of identifications. I
           | think I should still be able to get a report "random joe says
           | he lost his passport. This is report #987654321", but it did
           | not happen then.
        
             | em-bee wrote:
             | _how does a cop verify the veracity of someone random
             | claiming to have lost all forms of identifications_
             | 
             | they don't. but if the police is not willing to help you
             | get your stuff back then whats the point? but even if they
             | can't do anything, one point is to create a paper trail. i
             | mean, even if you lost your passports, or, say they got
             | accidentally destroyed, you would still file a police
             | report just to document that fact. i am not trying to pick
             | on your memory, but that they didn't let you file a report
             | is highly unusual, and it can't be your fault.
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | It used to be somebody would slip you a Rohypnol and roll you.
       | Now you slip yourself a Phenibut and get rolled.
       | 
       | I wouldn't characterize Phenibut as a "nootropic" as it's
       | arguable that such a thing (nootropic) exists. I'd say it is
       | "Russkii for Valium".
       | 
       | When I was in college there were forums like "alt.drugs" where
       | people shared stories like "I smoked weed and had a lot of fun"
       | and Erowid was like that for a while but pretty soon it was full
       | of stories that the Partnership for a Drug Free America couldn't
       | have made up, often people who took way too many downers and got
       | into trouble.
        
       | ltbarcly3 wrote:
       | TLDR; He got blackout drunk and left it.
        
       | abetancort wrote:
       | Deserved to loose everything.
        
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