[HN Gopher] Optical and Acoustic Super-Radiance via a Microtubul...
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       Optical and Acoustic Super-Radiance via a Microtubule (2024)
        
       Author : felineflock
       Score  : 9 points
       Date   : 2025-07-10 19:49 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | piombisallow wrote:
       | I never understood what the microtubule woo is supposed to answer
       | that isn't answerable by neural network dynamics.
        
         | PaulHoule wrote:
         | I think the weak version of it is that people feel they need
         | some explanation of why they think "they" can see something
         | looking out their eyes.
         | 
         | A weaker version that tries to be stronger is Penrose's
         | argument from _The Emperor 's New Mind_ which goes along the
         | lines that "A machine can't do math because of those problems
         | Godel pointed out, but I can prove theorems so I'm not a
         | machine, I'm a thetan [1]" Penrose is not consistent or
         | complete or able to prove he is consistent or complete so I
         | don't think Godel has anything on him -- and there is no
         | problem building a machine that can prove some theorems even
         | though you can't build a machine that proves all theorems but
         | Penrose can't prove all theorems either.
         | 
         | I'm also skeptical about anything involving sleep, anesthesia
         | and such because so far as I know you are able to respond to
         | stimuli when you're asleep and may very well be "aware" of them
         | but what's clear is that you're not writing narrative memories,
         | whatever LRH says.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.scientology.org/what-is-scientology/basic-
         | princi...
        
       | mkw5053 wrote:
       | Fascinating concept! If microtubules really leverage quantum
       | coherence, could biological systems provide new insights for
       | quantum computing designs, especially at room temperature? Also,
       | how far away are we technologically from being able to
       | experimentally detect these quantum phenomena in actual neurons?
        
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