[HN Gopher] Dyson, techno-centric design and social consumption
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Dyson, techno-centric design and social consumption
Author : 2earth
Score : 75 points
Date : 2025-07-07 14:45 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| 2earth wrote:
| Please, James, don't sue me. It's just my opinion as a fellow
| Design Engineer... and in my defence, I probably wouldn't have
| written this if your company didn't constantly proclaim how
| amazing all your products are. And besides, these days, I can't
| exactly opt-out of a Dyson-altered existence, given that you're
| systematically making public washrooms everywhere louder, wetter,
| more expensive and more confusing. I don't really like your
| products, James, I don't like what they stand for and I don't
| like you either, for that matter. Anyway, here's (just some of)
| the reasons why. But please, James, don't sue me.
| detourdog wrote:
| The germ spreading of the circulating air always creeps me out.
| echelon wrote:
| The particulate aerosolization worries me.
|
| In the future we're going to regret breathing bad air. It's
| the accelerant for so many health problems.
| eddythompson80 wrote:
| > In the future we're going to regret breathing air. It's
| the accelerant for so many health problems.
|
| A non-oxygen dependent energy system for the human cell is
| the only option moving forward. We need to utilize a clean
| energy source like sunlight and dump that oxygen dependency
| once and for all. Cyanobacteria was a crutch dependency
| that helped bootstrap that whole life thing pretty quickly
| for the demo. We have a proven concept now that we know
| work. Can we leave the idea to use oxygen back in the GOE
| era where it belongs now? Building all this complexity on
| top of a fundamentally flawed bases like oxygen reactivity
| was the main mistake.
| mkj wrote:
| It didn't include the terrible battery pack design of the vacuum
| cleaners either. They could have added a few resistors (already
| supported by the battery management chip they're using), but
| instead they didn't so the battery packs just fail.
| https://old.reddit.com/r/18650masterrace/comments/tifbgr/dys...
| and the eevblog original linked there.
| ok_dad wrote:
| Jesus, they have a battery handshake? We truly do own nothing.
| nancyminusone wrote:
| This is hardly unique to Dyson. Pretty much everything that
| has multiple lithium ion batteries does the same. It sucks
| but that's the price you pay for lithium ion.
| wpm wrote:
| Sadly, the lack of good sense and typical selfishness and
| shortsightedness of a human being means that when you don't,
| you get the spate of e-bike battery house/apartment/highrise
| fires that were hitting NYC. You kinda can't fuck around with
| li-ion.
|
| I don't like that my Bosch e-bike batteries have closed-
| source schematics, software, and chargers (i mean really,
| what the fuck am I going to steal Bosch), nor that the
| software that runs on the bike is utterly locked down to the
| point where I can't even pay for a copy (it's available only
| to e-bike dealers and none of them have leaked it as far as I
| can tell), but unfortunately, I have no trust in my fellow
| schmuck to not accidentally or negligently build bombs when
| they rebuild their battery packs, nor would I trust them not
| to do stupid shit with the e-bike software like remove speed
| limiters.
|
| I barely even trust myself to rebuild packs, and I kinda-
| sorta know what I'm doing, which is just enough to get myself
| into trouble. I still look at the two packs I have rebuilt
| with a side-eye, months and years on from when I built them.
| bitmasher9 wrote:
| > nor would I trust them not to do stupid shit with the
| e-bike software like remove speed limiters.
|
| I'm not going to lie, this is the first thing I would do if
| I could flash e-bike software.
| AlexandrB wrote:
| This kind of comment is ridiculous in light of the last
| hundred years of transportation which worked on _gasoline_
| , a highly flammable liquid fuel that can even explode
| under some circumstances. Why do we trust people to handle
| gasoline safely, but Li-ion batteries are a bridge too far?
|
| I'm tired of being treated like an idiot consumer because
| someone, somewhere, fucked up their Li-ion battery.
| rangestransform wrote:
| We don't let people fill up their cars inside their
| residences either. Lithium ion batteries are additionally
| dangerous because side the fires burn hotter, are self
| oxidizing, and can't be extinguished with conventional
| fire extinguishers.
| rej696 wrote:
| I had a terrible experience trying to replace failed battery
| packs for a family member's dyson handheld hoover. They seem to
| fail every 2 years or so, and the first time around we ordered
| the wrong part (all the different models seem to have slightly
| different interfaces). Dyson wouldn't allow us to return either
| the failed or functional but incorrect batteries, so now we
| have a pile of 3 or 4 hoover batteries in the cupboard!
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| This shit should genuinely get your company hauled into court
| and fined significantly. Render batteries unrecoverable to
| save, what, a penny on your BOM? Fucking pathetic.
|
| Engineers need a union. I'm sure this was a bean counter
| decision and not something they wanted to do.
| bboygravity wrote:
| As an EE I feel this was either extreme incompetence
| (unlikely) or deliberate planned obsolescence.
|
| Battery packs can be expensive and have huge margin if you
| make them (mechanically) fit only 1 year of 1 model of 1
| brand. Which is exactly what Dyson seems to be doing.
|
| Designing BMS'es so that the batteries (safely) fail as
| quickly as possible is not hard.
| Onavo wrote:
| Dyson is like the IKEA for household appliances. They are pretty
| and fancy and somewhat featureful but they never seem to hold up
| to the truly high end stuff like Sebos/Miele. Those brands will
| cost you an arm and a leg but they will do exactly what it says
| on the tin, and nothing more. No gimmicks, just suction.
| autobodie wrote:
| My Oreck is more than I have ever needed and I think it was
| around $100.
| pipeline_peak wrote:
| Push forward, push backward, lift up cord and turn to the
| right
|
| Push forward, push backward, lift up cord and turn to the
| right
| jahsome wrote:
| I have a corded oreck and a Dyson stick vac. I absolutely
| adore the oreck, and I rarely use the Dyson.
|
| In terms of maintenance and performance the Oreck is a
| reliable, one-click WordPress install, and the Dyson is a few
| dozen fickle micro services.
|
| I got the Oreck for like $20 on Craigslist a decade ago
| because it was listed as "broken." I bought it on a whim to
| see if I could repair it after one of the famous vacuum guy
| reddit AMAs. Without exaggeration, it may very well be the
| best $20 investment I've ever made.
|
| I was amazed how simple it was to disassemble and reassemble.
| There were surprisingly few components and every single one
| had an appealing heft and remarkable quality.
|
| As a somewhat funny aside: The woman I bought it from said
| she had three teenage daughters and it couldn't keep up. The
| first time I serviced it, I removed enough hair for several
| wigs.
|
| Ever since, it's worked incredibly and in the rare event
| performance has started to suffer I've been able to service
| it myself multiple times over the years, and replacement
| parts are readily available. It's designed to be maintained.
| After each service it works literally good as new and I fall
| in love with it all over again.
|
| Contrast that with my hand-me-down Dyson. It's awkward as all
| hell to store. Battery is pathetic and charging is a pain. So
| much delicate plastic. It clogs practically every use; though
| to be fair my children and animals are all filthmongers. The
| components feel cheap, and I can't help but feel like it's
| hostile to the average consumer attempting to repair it. It's
| deteriorated in performance even though I've used it lightly.
| If I had spent even a single dollar on it, I'd be so pissed.
| rapnie wrote:
| Or the Nilfisk consumer vacuum cleaners. They used to be
| frequently seen in Dutch households, nowadays less so.
| Indestructable.
|
| My first confrontation with a 'Dyson Airblade Wash+Dry short
| hand dryer' was after paying 50ct to enter a newly modernised
| toilet on a Dutch railway station. I got totally splashed with
| water blown out of the sink, all over my clothes. Quite
| embarrassing to walk out a toilet like that.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| Culturally, the Dutch expect higher quality at reasonable
| prices (love to see frugality as part of a national
| identity!). On the whole, American ad culture has us
| convinced that we must either suffer with worse tools or
| spend more on a name brand with increasingly diminishing
| returns... to say nothing of the conspicuous consumption
| we're all nudged/shoved into.
| WrongAssumption wrote:
| Not sure how America got caught in this crossfire. Dyson is
| not an American company.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| no, but companies like Dyson that promote conspicuous
| consumption do _very_ well in the US where they might not
| otherwise because of those cultural differences.
| basisword wrote:
| I have never seen anyone describe IKEA as 'pretty and fancy'
| before. It's cheap and functional. I can typically get the item
| I need in IKEA for cheaper than elsewhere and be confident it
| will be at least average quality. Dyson products are generally
| far more expensive than the competition.
| ozgrakkurt wrote:
| Not sure why this is downvoted, this is the exact same
| impression I have. Ikea is mass produced decent quality
| standard but dyson is really high end
| Thaxll wrote:
| The best cordless vacuum are made by Dyson though.
| windowsrookie wrote:
| Disagree. We have had to replace the battery twice in our
| Dyson cordless. Dyson charges $130 for the OEM replacement
| battery (yes there are cheaper aftermarket batteries
| available).
|
| The last time the battery failed we decided to buy an entire
| Shark cordless vacuum + accessories kit for less than an OEM
| Dyson battery. That shark vacuum is still going today 5 years
| later on the original battery.
| turtlebits wrote:
| My V8 is still it's the original battery, almost 7 years
| since purchase. Did your battery fail or just lose
| capacity?
| calmbonsai wrote:
| I disagree. The best cordless vacuums all follow the same
| basic flow-through (e.g. https://a.co/d/bpto7LL ) design and
| are around $30 USD.
|
| The cost multiple of a Dyson doesn't even result in
| incremental performance.
|
| The _singular_ use case for a Dyson cordless is frequent
| cleaning of an uncarpeted floor in a public space (e.g.
| coffee shop, gym) as it does have substantially reduced noise
| while running.
| hammock wrote:
| > The singular use case for a Dyson cordless is frequent
| cleaning of an uncarpeted floor in a public space (e.g.
| coffee shop, gym) as it does have substantially reduced
| noise while running
|
| This problem was solved before electric vacuums ever even
| existed. I can still remember the days of seeing these
| things being used in hotels and restaurants: (google non-
| electric electrostatic sweeper)
| lurking_swe wrote:
| that's maybe fine for cleaning a car or some crumbs in the
| kitchen. It's a solid vacuum. But not so useful for
| cleaning a room or house...different use cases.
|
| The suction on the dyson v12 is fantastic at max speed, so
| it's great for quick carpet cleaning. I also appreciate the
| very quiet hardwood floor attachment. I'd recommend it to
| any apartment dweller that's not cost conscious. If they
| are, i'd recommend a cheaper shark vacuum.
| andrepd wrote:
| Dyson is expensive as fuck, not really a comparison with IKEA
| which is truly about insane mass market scale and saving costs
| everywhere you can.
| epcoa wrote:
| The Miele cordless stick vac is a piece of crap unfortunately.
| Real missed opportunity.
| zuppy wrote:
| that is totally not my experience. you don't have to buy the
| latest and greatest, I've bought a V8 a few years ago. it does
| it's job perfectly fine like in the first day. it's the only
| vacuum (of the ones I've owned) that is capable of cleaning the
| cat hair from my sofa. maybe there are other products capable
| of that now, some years have passed, but the quality of dyson
| is pretty top notch.
| burningChrome wrote:
| I've had the same experience with dog hair and our Dyson
| Animal vacuum. We've had it repaired twice. Once for the
| hose, the other for something in the motor that went awry.
| Even the people at the repair shop said they're worth
| repairing since their performance stays consistent for so
| long. It was a couple hundred bucks total for both repairs to
| get another 7 years out of it? 100% worth it.
|
| Still have that purple and grey beast. Best vacuum by a mile
| and still going.
| accrual wrote:
| Similar experience here. I bought a refurb V8 that weirdly
| needed service right away, but on the flip side, I got a new
| motor/electronics for free since it was under a fresh
| warranty. About 4 years later I still really like the V8
| general vacuum tasks with the caveat I have mostly hard
| floors and no high pile carpet.
| thenthenthen wrote:
| Disagree. A broom and mop will do better, costs less, has
| almost no noise. Dust flying everywhere sure, but these dyson
| gimmicks are plain useless.
| lurking_swe wrote:
| ikea is where you shop if you want new furniture but can't
| afford real furniture. In this context, "real" means made of
| real wood.
|
| And im not judging, i too was a broke college kid at one point.
| And many people just don't have the money. But ikea is ANYTHING
| but fancy. Its super cheap.
| dingnuts wrote:
| Lots of IKEA furniture is real wood, and lots of "expensive"
| brands are still flat packed particleboard. Ever bought
| anything from West Elm?
|
| I'm curious where people are buying "real" furniture, even
| even they spend "real" money. I've had the best luck with the
| Amish and at estate sales, but that's not super repeatable.
|
| All the major furniture stores like Ashley or whatever are
| similar in quality and construction to IKEA -- I don't really
| think the "cheap" reputation is deserved just because IKEA
| has $10 LACK side tables available.
| lurking_swe wrote:
| west elm pretends to be high end but it's not. As you said
| it's hit and miss, some gems and a lot of junk. As
| consumers in 2025 we are awash in a sea of cheap junk. It's
| frustrating sometimes.
|
| I personally recommend people go to a real furniture store
| (a large one), where the salesperson is actually
| knowledgeable and where they offer many brands. Ask for
| what you want. Specific materials, finishes, price range,
| etc. Make a note of the brands and manufacturers. Then dig
| deeper. Often times these brands are featured in a niche
| catalog or magazine, where you can find similar brands
| offering similar products.
|
| There are many high quality buy it for life items to be
| found! But rarely at the convenience of a button click from
| westelm's website.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| Real furniture stores lay somewhere between being useful
| and being like a mattress sales money laundering
| operation. I just find most of them full of gaudy
| furniture that I'm not sure anyone would really buy
| (hence my guess that money laundering is involved).
|
| In the Seattle area, the best I could find is Dania,
| which is a chain that is basically a higher end IKEA that
| focuses more on furniture (Scandinavian style).
| lurking_swe wrote:
| I'll be in seattle in a few months, maybe i'll swing by
| Dania for an hour just to see what they have. Thanks for
| the recommendation!
|
| Some brands that you might like if you are looking for
| buy it for life. Some sell direct, some only sell via
| wholesale to other furniture stores. This is a list from
| a note i created 3 years ago when i was shopping for a
| new dining table.
|
| * MS&Wood. Bosnian company, 100% wood products. https://w
| ww.adakezic.com/images/Zastupstva/mswood/2018_MS&WO...
|
| * Ethnicraft - 100% wood (oak, teak, walnut). made in
| belgium.
|
| https://ethnicraft.com/us/en/
|
| * Cattelan Italia. Italian company, very high end and
| also very high quality. Styles are a mix of gaudy and
| timeless - wood, glass, and metal.
|
| https://www.cattelanitalia.com/en/products/index?c=new
|
| On the lower price range, some good choices might be
| "Article", "Blu Dot" and "HAY".
| seszett wrote:
| Ikea has every grade of quality from cardboard to solid wood
| to metal furniture.
|
| I will never understand why there are always such comments
| saying Ikea furniture is bad quality, or in your case not
| even "real" furniture, come on, it's like you have never even
| been in an Ikea store.
| lurking_swe wrote:
| We can agree to disagree. yes Ikea offers _some_ products
| that are made of solid wood. But i'd say maybe 75% of their
| selection is particle board mixed with _some_ wood
| elements. That was what i saw during my last trip in ikea
| in 2020, in NY. Their selection of office furniture is
| similarly sad. Office chairs that might last 10 years with
| gentle use MAX. A lot of the ikea stuff is what i'd
| consider "buy it for life if you treat it gently and don't
| have kids".
|
| I think Ikea is wonderful on a budget. But i personally
| wouldn't waste my time there, except for rarely used pieces
| of furniture. im blessed to have more discretionary income
| these days. The one product i really like from ikea is
| their PAX closets. I think they are a very good value,
| despite feeling a bit cheap. I like how customizable it is,
| and it's very functional.
|
| ---
|
| For example the Amish make very high quality wood furniture
| in the U.S., at a fair price. If that's not your thing,
| there are companies that focus strictly on buy it for life
| high quality wood furniture. My dining room table was made
| by MS&Wood (based somewhere in bosnia i believe...they sell
| direct and wholesale to furniture companies).
|
| https://www.adakezic.com/images/Zastupstva/mswood/2018_MS&W
| O...
| reaperducer wrote:
| I know it's trendy to hate Dyson machines on HN because everyone
| here is absolutely smarter than every other person in the world
| that actually makes things, but, I rather like my Dyson vacuum
| cleaner.
|
| People on HN are always saying they'd pay extra for a vacuum
| cleaner that is repairable. Well, here it is. Put your money
| where your mouth is.
|
| I've had mine for at least ten years, and when something goes
| wrong, I'm able to order parts, and fix it myself. The whole
| thing is extensively designed to be repaired, complete with
| little icons on most of the parts to guide to taking them apart
| and putting them together.
|
| I suspect that 90% of the people on HN who complain about Dyson
| (and most other consumer products) have never owned one, and are
| just aping things they've read online just to have something at
| all to say.
| ivell wrote:
| I have found the parts to be very expensive though.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _I have found the parts to be very expensive though._
|
| Seems OK to me. I have an articulated, motorized brush head
| on the way. ~$51, including shipping. Pretty good considering
| recent inflation, tariffs, etc...
| mostly_harmless wrote:
| I don't hate Dyson because it's trendy, I hate Dyson because my
| $700 vacuum wont pick up cheerios; a common spill with
| toddlers.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Buy a dog. The dog picks up the cheerios and the $700 Dyson
| picks up the dog hair.
| danpalmer wrote:
| I don't have a Dyson, but my vacuum also struggles with items
| so big they don't fit under the roller. I don't generally
| find it to be a problem because at that size they're easy to
| pick up.
|
| Not defending Dyson, there's a lot of valid criticism here,
| but at some size pieces are too big to vacuum, and if that
| size is Cheerios, maybe that's not much of a problem?
|
| I'd rather have a vacuum that does well at the small stuff I
| can't reasonably pick up.
| tristor wrote:
| > I suspect that 90% of the people on HN who complain about
| Dyson (and most other consumer products) have never owned one,
| and are just aping things they've read online just to have
| something at all to say.
|
| Same suspicion for me. I've owned two Dyson vacuums, and the
| only reason I had to buy the second was because someone stole
| the first one when they broke into my apartment over a decade
| ago. My current vacuum is more than 8 years old and has been
| repaired a few times doing it myself, and is still fully
| functional and comparable or better than most new vacuums.
|
| Dyson makes very good products that are also beautiful. Yes,
| they're plastic, yes they're expensive, no they're not
| necessarily on paper the /best/ at their thing, but they're
| good, they're repairable, and they pass the wife acceptance
| factor.
| jayd16 wrote:
| I have a bunch of Dyson things because the wife loves the
| design but I find them to be consistently disappointing.
| Incredibly expensive for mediocre results and usually bad
| battery life. It's a step above junk but you're really just
| paying for style.
| rancidcrab wrote:
| Additionally the comparison of the hand dryers is pretty unfair
| imo. Those V-shape Dyson dryers are so much better than any
| others I've tried ever. All the other seem downright anemic (or
| rather asthmatic in this case) and take much longer than those
| advertised 20s.
| antihero wrote:
| Yeah the airblades are night and day better than anything
| else, other than the noise which is painful if you're
| hungover.
| zeroxfe wrote:
| Yeah, I was thinking the same. I have two Dyson vacuum
| cleaners, one purchased about 9 years ago, and the other two
| years ago. Both are excellent, and I still use the old one for
| my basement.
| calmbonsai wrote:
| I _did_ pay more for a vacuum. I bought a Miehl 12 years ago
| and it 's awesome.
| AlotOfReading wrote:
| Not quite as long ago, but yeah I've taken my miele down to
| parts for cleaning and back. The motors, molding, and reels
| are available as spare parts if I ever need to replace them,
| which I haven't yet. The only downside has been the premium.
| nancyminusone wrote:
| The only Dyson that we have is an old vacuum I pulled out of
| the trash, which they haven't sold in years. Was clogged with
| hair; we removed the hair. Works well enough. It's a vacuum. It
| vacuums stuff pretty ok.
|
| 9/10 would trash pick again. I don't think I would ever buy one
| new though.
| _dain_ wrote:
| i have never even seen dyson come up as a topic on HN before
| bredren wrote:
| This piece doesn't mention the fluffy cones next gen replacement
| to the dyson stick vac:
| https://youtu.be/ve6JuJV17FQ?si=aCq_qwtpAhRyS0by&t=159
|
| It was announced a month ago and seems to handle the design
| criticism in this blog entry. If it works as well as demonstrated
| will put it in a new class of vac.
| Ambroisie wrote:
| I have to say, I don't see what makes it handle the criticism
| from the OP. It looks exactly the same as every other Dyson
| product I've ever seen.
| phoronixrly wrote:
| I find it perplexing that the new Dyson urinals are not present
| as an example of what good design is...
| ubercow13 wrote:
| >Dyson hand dryers are very fast, but as a result, they fling
| water everywhere
|
| Isn't that the whole point of them? Instead of imparting enough
| heat energy to evaporate all of the water on your hands, they
| just push it off which is much faster and more energy efficient.
| How would they work better than regular dryers without doing
| that?
| wpm wrote:
| If the goal is to optimize the singular task of "get water off
| hands ASAP", sure it probably solves that fairly well.
|
| There might be more to the task though. What affect does it
| have on the user? Getting splashed with water, usually at
| crotch height, is a nuisance and is somewhat embarassing. The
| loudness of these dryers is also a nuisance, and can be
| downright painful depending on how many are going at the same
| time in a large public bathroom. Long enough for permanent
| damage? Probably not for the average hand-washer, but for the
| people who have to clean those restrooms all day, perhaps an
| occupational hazard.
|
| Also, the trough shaped ones are disgusting.
| justinrubek wrote:
| The trough ones are such a poor design. Carefully try to
| wiggle your fingers in there, and then they blow with force
| such that you touch the wet dirty surface that everyone else
| has touched. I don't understand why these things exist, let
| alone why people choose to put them in a bathroom.
| MangoToupe wrote:
| Perhaps evaporation?
| aag wrote:
| I have never found a hand dryer that works better than the
| Dyson ones. They actually dry my hands quickly, and they don't
| deafen me in the process unlike some of their competitors.
| danpalmer wrote:
| Agreed, but most people don't use them correctly, they treat
| them like an awkwardly shaped transitional hand dryer.
|
| When used correctly I find they don't spray too much water
| around and dry my hands almost immediately.
| IshKebab wrote:
| I used to work for Dyson and I think this is quite off in many
| ways.
|
| * The industrial design of Dyson products is generally great. I
| don't think they poke you or anything like that. They even have
| nice affordances like all the things you can use being red.
| Contrast that with my terrible Shark where everything is black.
| Took me a good few seconds to find the bin release button. It
| also has an atrocious UX - a slow on/off button instead of a
| trigger, and an amazingly useless "smart power" feature that just
| varies the power almost completely randomly as you vacuum.
|
| When I worked there all the vacuum guys were worried about Shark
| because their pickup is apparently better. They needn't have
| worried because their UX is so abysmal. Although I guess in
| fairness _Which_ doesn 't know UX exists.
|
| * Some of the criticisms of the tech are valid, e.g. the hand
| dryers spraying water everywhere (they easily erode painted walls
| and now they generally install them only on tiles). But those are
| just flaws of the tech, they don't negate the fact that the hand
| dryers _are_ much better than the standard cheap ones. He quotes
| the claimed hand drying time for a cheapo dryer as being close to
| an air blade but anyone that has ever used one knows how much of
| a lie that is. The washing machines did damage clothes but
| apparently the main reason they stopped making them was a
| manufacturing issue with the drum.
|
| * I don't think anyone really believes that James Dyson is
| personally inventing all Dyson products now. That doesn't mean he
| has no influence. When I worked there (about 10 years ago tbf) he
| still had huge influence over the designs, especially the ones he
| cared about.
|
| The one thing that is true is that Dyson won't make anything that
| isn't patentable because James Dyson dislikes his products being
| cloned so much. So even though though could make really good
| versions of normal products, they don't.
|
| Also they are way too expensive. Though in fairness my shitty
| Shark was expensive too.
|
| Don't buy a Shark.
| detourdog wrote:
| My only complaint about the Dyson products is that they
| compromise on battery tech to help margins. I would expect such
| a design focused company to use the best batteries despite the
| effect on margins.
|
| No sense charging top dollar and using less than state of the
| art batteries.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Tbh I don't remember that being mentioned at all. Even if
| true a huge bonus of buying Dyson is you can get cheap third
| party batteries easily.
| detourdog wrote:
| I would say that the battery tech could be about 10 years
| old which would line up with your tenure.
| accrual wrote:
| > Although I guess in fairness _Which_ doesn 't know UX exists.
|
| What is "Which" in this context? As used here it appears like a
| proper noun.
| rjsw wrote:
| It is a proper noun [1].
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Which%3F
| accrual wrote:
| Thank you!
| buran77 wrote:
| > has an atrocious UX - a slow on/off button instead of a
| trigger, and an amazingly useless "smart power" feature that
| just varies the power almost completely randomly as you vacuum.
|
| Contrast that with the Dyson v15 which has a trigger I have to
| hold continuously while I twist and turn the vacuum so I can't
| change the grip without it turning on and off as my finger
| slips off the trigger or inevitably gets tired. Or the
| amazingly useless "smart power" feature that just varies the
| power almost completely randomly as I vacuum an otherwise
| perfectly smooth hard floor.
|
| Or the peak of uselessness, a display to tell me how many
| particles of dust it thinks it vacuumed, and their estimated
| sizes. Because I needed to be told I vacuumed 20 million dust
| particles of one size but only 1 million of another size.
| Counted twice just to make sure.
| m463 wrote:
| > has an atrocious UX - a slow on/off button instead of a
| trigger
|
| sort of like the humdinger, which I think I wasted my money on
| trying to replace a dc34
| lucideng wrote:
| As an owner of a Shark, I don't agree. The ergonomics are
| great, controls/buttons are grey, everything else is red or
| black, sounds like you just made a poor choice in model and/or
| colors. Mine is a corded vac and just works. Replaceable,
| washable filters, switched power, handles egregious amounts of
| pet hair (Husky) and a lift-away tank. We replaced a cheap
| Bissel vacuum with the Shark, and the Bissel was great, it was
| just really hard to clean stairs with it.
|
| I think of a Dyson as more of a status symbol, like the latest
| Mac Book, a watch collection, or a Porsche. Dyson owners like
| telling people they have a Dyson. Most people just need things
| to work well for their use case, be reliable and affordable.
|
| The saying goes... "Fast, reliable or cheap. Pick two."
| colesantiago wrote:
| Would it be best to make an open source company to challenge
| Dyson?
|
| Everything will be worker and independently owned (bootstrapped
| and no VCs), no patents (we don't care about clones)
|
| Just make great product that is open has free software.
|
| If there would be significant interest Dyson could have a direct
| competitor just like many other open source companies like
| System72 and Red Hat
| svelle wrote:
| I have a v12 and I couldn't be happier. Best cordless vacuum I've
| owned. Had an aeg before that was about half the price. But it
| sucked.
|
| Still some of the criticism holds, such as the terrible wall
| charger.
| spandrew wrote:
| I dunno about this; that greenlight vacuum they brought to market
| a few years back is dope af. My first little orb Dyson is still
| kicking almost 15 years after I bought it.
|
| I think their brand isn't just about tech itself, but the utility
| exploring novel tech can drive.
| hermitcrab wrote:
| Dyson has not made himself very popular in the UK by advocating
| loudly for Brexit, then moving the HQ to Singapore, then firing
| almost his entire UK R&D department. Someone I know was fired by
| email while on holiday. Bastard.
| m463 wrote:
| I had a dc34 and loved it. cost about $190? Point and shoot
| cleanups with the edger attachment.
|
| The humdinger should be a more modern replacement, but it sucks.
| No trigger, no fun.
| pedalpete wrote:
| I feel this completely ignores the role of brand in the equation.
|
| Dyson's brand is to be technologically forward. It is supposed to
| look like the future, which is why the angular mix of colors
| works for the brand.
|
| Bosch, I have no idea what their brand aesthetic is, or what they
| are trying to say.
|
| This doesn't mean that the Dyson is better than Bosch, or any
| other competitors, just that brand does come into the equation as
| well.
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