[HN Gopher] Raphael discovery emerges from Vatican museum restor...
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       Raphael discovery emerges from Vatican museum restoration
        
       Author : andsoitis
       Score  : 60 points
       Date   : 2025-07-01 12:10 UTC (3 days ago)
        
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       | ZiiS wrote:
       | Three highly trained assistents to one of to he greatest artists
       | who over lived, credited with contributing to major masterworks
       | couldn't learn oilpainting? A common evening class subjest,
       | nearly universally considered much easier then painting fresco.
        
         | readthenotes1 wrote:
         | "The technique used and planned by Raphael was truly
         | experimental for the time, and has never been found in another
         | other mural made with oil paint."
         | 
         | From the article
        
       | alpineman wrote:
       | The artwork was already there, so not sure 'discovered' is the
       | right word. Does it make a difference now we know it was painted
       | by Raphael himself?
       | 
       | It will make a difference, of course. But should it?
        
         | mensetmanusman wrote:
         | People decide what should matter. Thats why there are pop star
         | worship museums where mass-produced guitars and shoes that were
         | worn are on display.
        
         | throwpoaster wrote:
         | Would you wear Jeffrey Dahmer's sweater?
        
           | ectospheno wrote:
           | Hitler loved dogs. Should I get rid of mine?
        
         | ludicrousdispla wrote:
         | Probably not, considering that many (possibly most) of the well
         | known modern and contemporary painters have other people put
         | the paint on the canvas for them.
        
       | ludicrousdispla wrote:
       | Interesting to see a dinosaur in one of the paintings.
        
         | Cthulhu_ wrote:
         | Do you mean the dragon in the background? Fwiw dinosaur fossils
         | have been found for thousands of years already, with theories
         | being that the Cyclops was based on mammoth skulls and griffins
         | on triceratops fossils.
        
           | bovinegambler wrote:
           | The mammoth-cyclops/griffin-triceratops connection sounded
           | really cool, so I did some quick searches. For what it's
           | worth, it seems that this is a pop theory but not based in
           | evidence.
        
           | ludicrousdispla wrote:
           | The one I am referring to is in the first image, where the
           | central figure has their right hand around the neck of what
           | looks like a dinosaur.
        
       | doodlebugging wrote:
       | Probably just an editing error but I find it interesting that,
       | according to the text of the article, they were finished with the
       | restoration before they ever started.
       | 
       | >The restoration of the Hall of Constantine began in March 2025
       | and was completed in December 2024.
       | 
       | Someone probably fat-fingered a number in one or more of those
       | dates or swapped them.
        
         | edm0nd wrote:
         | or the most likely scenario, the pope has a time machine ==
         | confirmed.
        
           | labster wrote:
           | It was already pretty likely, considering Pope Formosus was
           | put on trial months after his death, and he was in
           | attendance.
        
           | doodlebugging wrote:
           | Probably suitably air-gapped so that none of us plebes can
           | remote into it and spin for a random date to kick off a
           | global reboot.
           | 
           | I wonder whether it uses a joystick, scrolling wheel, or a
           | user-selectable date and whether the user can pick their
           | spawn point. What is the date format? Gregorian calendar or
           | earlier? Is the machine bright enough make date corrections
           | based on where you want to go on that date if the location
           | doesn't use a standard European calendar?
           | 
           | It would really suck to pick a date where you know something
           | important was gonna happen and find out you rolled it all
           | back to a different continent because you glitched the part
           | where you were supposed to end up in Atlantis and found
           | yourself treading water in the middle of the Atlantic because
           | of a spelling error.
           | 
           | Too many questions here. The unknownable unknowns are a real
           | drag.
        
           | aruggirello wrote:
           | Maybe the famous Chronovisor by Father Ernetti?
           | 
           | https://archive.org/details/fatherernettisch0000kras
        
       | fumeux_fume wrote:
       | The Last Supper was also a fresco painted with oils, IIRC. The
       | painting quickly devolved and needed constant restoration.
        
         | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
         | The Last Supper by Leonardo was painted with tempera, a medium
         | that uses egg-yolk.
        
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