[HN Gopher] Juneteenth in Photos
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Juneteenth in Photos
Author : ohjeez
Score : 173 points
Date : 2025-06-19 17:41 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| sfblah wrote:
| I substantially prefer the term "Emancipation Day," as it gets
| the point across more clearly. Lots of people don't know what
| "Juneteenth" means, since it's not a real word.
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| Well they've got plenty of time to learn.
|
| As far as I know most people consider Emancipation Day the day
| that the Emancipation Proclamation was signed into law in 1863,
| whereas Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last
| known enslaved people were freed from the people who decided to
| just not tell them about the law.
| ghastmaster wrote:
| This is not true. The last slaves in the United States were
| set free by the thirteenth amendment in Delaware, IIRC.
| Emancipation Day could make sense as the last slaves freed by
| the emancipation proclamation took place on that date.
|
| General Order No. 3 - June 19, 1865
|
| Thirteenth Amendment - December 6, 1865
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3#Misconcept.
| ..
|
| Text:
|
| _A common misconception holds that the Emancipation
| Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States, or that
| the General Order No. 3 on June 19, 1865, marked the end of
| slavery in the United States. In fact, the Thirteenth
| Amendment, ratified and proclaimed in December 1865, was the
| article that made slavery illegal in the United States
| nationwide, not the Emancipation Proclamation.[6][7][8][9]
|
| Another common misconception is that it took over two years
| for news of the Emancipation Proclamation to reach Texas, and
| that slaves did not know they had already been freed by it.
| In fact, news of the Proclamation had reached Texas long
| before 1865, and many slaves knew about Lincoln's order
| emancipating them, but they had not been freed since the
| Union army had yet to reach Texas to enforce the
| Proclamation. Only after the arrival of the Union army and
| General Order No. 3 was the Proclamation widely enforced in
| Texas._
| lukas099 wrote:
| In my opinion, we still have slaves in the USA. (In prison,
| as explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment)
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| Interesting thanks for the information.
|
| Regardless, people have been calling it Juneteenth for over
| a hundred years, it was made a national holiday as
| Juneteenth, I'm gonna keep calling it that.
| ghastmaster wrote:
| In Texas and maybe celebrated in other places(I haven't
| done the research) this is true. For a large swath of the
| United States it was obscure or unknown. Most of us
| learned about the Emancipation Proclamation though.
| Making Juneteenth a holiday rather than the Date of the
| Emancipation Proclamation is odd to me. It is as odd to
| me as say, celebrating Independence Day on the date the
| last colony got word of the signing on, hypothetically,
| July 5th.
| stirfish wrote:
| >The last slaves in the United States were set free by the
| thirteenth amendment
|
| Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, _except as a
| punishment for crime_ whereof the party shall have been
| duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or
| any place subject to their jurisdiction.
|
| Section 2
|
| Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
| appropriate legislation.
|
| You may be surprised to learn that, coincidentally, America
| has more people in prison than anywhere else.
| mateo411 wrote:
| The Emancipation Proclamation freed very few slaves. The
| order did not apply to areas of the Union which still had
| slaves, nor did it apply to areas of the Confederacy
| occupied by the Union. Although, it did apply to unoccupied
| areas of the Confederacy. The government of the Confederacy
| was unlikely to follow an order issued by the Union during
| the Civil War.
|
| It may have encouraged some slaves in the Confederacy to
| flee, if they found out about it.
| ImJamal wrote:
| Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody?
| The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly
| allowed the Northern states that had slavery to continue to
| have slaves.
| bilbo0s wrote:
| Not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that's why
| black Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead?
|
| Kind of makes sense to me.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| African-Americans in coastal California _for the most
| part_ do not care about Juneteenth.. African-American
| politicians do try to get a photo op. A very large
| majority of low income African-Americans in North and
| Southern California, do not care about this day, do not
| mention it, do not do special events for it, do not mark
| it on any calendar or gather with special clothes on for
| it. compare and contrast to "Kwanzaa" also
|
| source: been there, done that
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > Black Americans in coastal California do not care about
| Juneteenth..
|
| Some do, some don't. "Black Americans in Coastal
| California" aren't a homogenous group, and this varies a
| lot by things like family geographic history,
| socioeconomic status, and a variety of other factors.
|
| Source: Also been there, also done that.
| bilbo0s wrote:
| Sorry, what do you guys mean by "been there, done that"?
|
| Do you mean that you're slave descended black americans,
| and, in the case of HN User mistrial9, therefore speak
| for most of the slave descended black americans in
| coastal California?
|
| Or do you guys mean that you celebrate Juneteenth. Thus,
| "been there, done that"?
|
| The former I would challenge you on, despite obviously
| not being " _black american coastal Californian?_ ". The
| latter I would never challenge you on as that's your
| business.
| Larrikin wrote:
| It's a federal holiday now so there eventually will be a
| tradition around the whole country.
|
| Black AF takes place in California and the main character
| had a huge celebration with his entire extended family
| before it was even a federal holiday.
| stonemetal12 wrote:
| Yes it did. When the Northern army was in Southern
| territory they would free the local slaves. They would then
| recruit volunteers into the army. Not sure how many they
| freed but they did pick up about 200k soldiers that way.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last
| known enslaved people were freed
|
| Nope, just the last _in the Confederate States_ ; the last
| Union chattel slaves (e.g., in Delaware) were freed by
| operation of law a few months later with the ratification of
| the 13th Amendment.
|
| (And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under
| the 13th Amendment.)
| TremendousJudge wrote:
| >(And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed
| under the 13th Amendment.)
|
| To expand on this, knowingbetter did an in-depth video on
| this topic[0]. The salient bit is that penal slavery was
| ended in 1941-1942 by Roosevelt, so that the Japanese
| couldn't use it as war propaganda against the US.
|
| [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA
| pvg wrote:
| Trucktober and Frappuccino aren't "real words" but most
| Americans know what they mean. The unfamiliarity with
| Juneteenth is not due to the unrealness of the word.
| loughnane wrote:
| Both of those are portmanteau's, giving hints as to their
| meaning. No such thing with Juneteenth.
|
| I agree lack of familiarity isn't because it's "unreal"---we
| invent words all the time, but I agree with OP that we could
| have come up with a better name. I bet if you I were to walk
| down the street here and ask 10 people what Juneteenth is
| only 1 would be able to do better than: "something to do with
| freeing the slaves".
| pvg wrote:
| Juneteenth is the same sort of portmanteau as Trucktober.
| Plus holidays have weird names. What's a Christmas, a Mardi
| Gras, a Festivus? It's almost entirely a matter of usage
| and familiarity.
| delecti wrote:
| I mean, Christ Mass is also the same sort of portmanteau.
|
| And as an aside, I was curious about Festivus. Apparently
| it's Latin for "excellent, jovial, lively."
| pvg wrote:
| You're pre-qualified for the Feats of Strength but not,
| so far, for the Airing of Grievances.
| SketchySeaBeast wrote:
| Yeah, people get their knickers in a twist about
| Juneteenth but will say "February" like that makes
| complete sense.
| quesera wrote:
| How is "Juneteenth" any less of a portmanteau than
| "Frappuccino"?
|
| It's been called Juneteenth for more than a century, and
| has been a state holiday for almost half a century.
|
| Wouldn't it be even more ridiculous if the US federal
| government took an existing celebration and renamed it?
| loughnane wrote:
| There both portmanteau but Frappuccino combines two
| things you can envision. A date doesn't unless the
| association already existed.
|
| Regardless of its history I venture that 95% of the
| population hadn't heard the word before 2020, so it's not
| like it was in the public consciousness.
|
| You're right though, even if almost joined knew about it,
| it _did_ have a name and so def tough to change it.
| pvg wrote:
| A June and a -teenth is no harder to envision than a
| Frapp and a CCino. It's a silly tangent.
| loughnane wrote:
| Agree it's a silly nitpick of language. I'll keep
| picking.
|
| Picturing a frappe and cappuccino gives you a sense for
| what a Frappuccino _is_. Picturing june and
| thirteenth/nineteenth only gives you sense for _when_ it
| is.
|
| In only contend a better name would be one where the name
| suggests something about the content to someone hearing
| it for the first time.
| pvg wrote:
| The name of the holiday, so named by the people affected,
| is a century and change old. The problem isn't the
| quality of the name, which is where we started.
| derstander wrote:
| Wait until you hear about September through December not
| being the 7th through 10th months of the year.
|
| They don't even give you a sense for _when_ they are. Or,
| more accurately, they give you the _wrong_ sense for when
| they are by name alone.
| pyridines wrote:
| Another American holiday coming up with an equally
| useless name is Fourth of July. Nobody seems to have a
| problem with that name, and nobody I know calls it
| Independence Day. Neither Fourth of July or Juneteenth
| are great names out of context, but they both have
| histories behind them and can't be changed anymore.
|
| Heck, Juneteenth is a better name, since it is not
| literally month+day.
| ghushn3 wrote:
| Wait until you hear about Cinco De Mayo!
| assimpleaspossi wrote:
| In the case of Frappuccino, many people care. In the
| other case, most people don't care.
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| This is such a weird hill to die on
| loughnane wrote:
| I'm not dying on this hill, I just think the name could
| be better, but I don't particularly care. It's not as
| though I've got a beef with the celebrating the freedom
| of slaves. I think that's essential for America to
| celebrate.
| pessimizer wrote:
| It's simply important, while celebrating slavery, to
| correct the way that black people speak. Just so they'll
| be understood. Just so they'll know that regular people
| don't talk like that.
| qualeed wrote:
| > _ask 10 people what Juneteenth is only 1 would be able to
| do better than: "something to do with freeing the slaves"._
|
| That shouldn't be considered a naming failure. It's an
| education failure.
| loughnane wrote:
| It's both. The name Juneteenth requires more education
| than, say, emancipation day or something along those
| lines.
|
| Easy names require less "education" than hard names.
| pc86 wrote:
| Ask the same 10 people what "Emancipation Day" is and
| you'll have 7 or 8 people say the same thing even though
| it's not even an actual holiday.
| Jordan-117 wrote:
| June (nine)teenth, seems pretty straightforward to me.
| Clearer than All Hallows' Evening --> Halloween.
|
| >I bet if you I were to walk down the street here and ask
| 10 people what Juneteenth is only 1 would be able to do
| better than: "something to do with freeing the slaves".
|
| And lots of people think Cinco de Mayo is Mexico's
| Independence Day, doesn't make the holiday any less valid.
| It's just an issue of education.
| loughnane wrote:
| I'm not saying the holiday isn't valid, I think it's a
| great holiday. The name is all I take exception to.
|
| Eventually we'll all know what it is, but that eventually
| would be sooner with a better name.
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| > but that eventually would be sooner with a better name
|
| Do you have some basis for thinking this? I rather
| suspect the reason White Americans don't know about it
| has more to do with the fact that it celebrates Black
| American history and culture, which is just not that
| popular among White Americans. (Of course there are
| exceptions, but the point is they're exceptions.) I
| seriously doubt that the name is the problem. The problem
| is that relatively few people are interested.
| naniwaduni wrote:
| The really striking thing is how poorly the name
| distinguishes the date from the seven days before it...
| Jordan-117 wrote:
| Ju(ne) n(in)eteenth! :D
| Zigurd wrote:
| I'm white AF and this thread is cringe. "We" didn't name
| it, for starters. It would take an electron microscope to
| find the amount of self-awareness to avoid suggesting
| better alternatives. Damn.
| browningstreet wrote:
| White guy here, and I have never heard of "Trucktober"..
|
| I'm also going to my local Juneteenth events (in Oakland)..
| that said, I did have to look it up a few years ago.
|
| EDIT: Yeah, downvote me, I replied to the wrong sub-thread
| post. Made more sense w/r/t resistance to Juneteenth naming.
| pvg wrote:
| _I have never heard of "Trucktober"_
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPBaC6VPuU
|
| You must be some sort of communist! There's a Trucktober
| question on the naturalization test, right before the one
| about Thanksgiving.
| libraryatnight wrote:
| I don't know what your point is. You know Frappaccino? So
| his point stands? Regardless of his examples, we deal with
| no end of made up nonsense words, rarely anybody bats an
| eye until it sounds black and has to do with black
| people.And yes, this is a thing, this thread is the
| umpteenth one I've encountered today with people
| undermining and questioning the name for what amounts to it
| sounding black.
|
| So your anecdote isn't useful. Kind of the opposite.
| kreetx wrote:
| While I'm from EU and didn't know either then Juneteenth seems
| to be well known enough:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth.
| GLdRH wrote:
| I'm pretty sure less than 1% of people in the EU would know
| what Juneteenth means. I didn't remember either. I just
| remembered I read it somewhere before and would have guessed
| it was something like pi day or star wars day.
| bilbo0s wrote:
| Why would anyone in Europe, know when the slaves in the US
| were freed? Or even when the slaves in Brazil were freed?
| Or Peru? Or Colombia? Or Cuba?
|
| I mean won't every nation have its own history and
| important days? And it seems to me that those days in every
| nation will be different. I'd even wager very few of us,
| (far less than 1%), know what those important days are
| called in other nations.
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| - It's in a dictionary: https://www.merriam-
| webster.com/dictionary/Juneteenth.
|
| - At least one local bank website I've gone to today has a
| banner saying it is closed and uses the word "Juneteenth."
|
| This seems to be reasonable enough to consider it a real word.
|
| Additionally, the term "Emancipation Day" is inaccurate (and
| therefore obfuscatory) because slavery is still legal and
| constitutional if you are convicted of a crime. Emancipation
| doesn't accurately describe the current state unless this is no
| longer true. I'm going by this dictionary definition of
| "emancipation": https://www.merriam-
| webster.com/dictionary/emancipation
| GLdRH wrote:
| I'm pretty sure you're making a political point but: How are
| criminals enslaved? Who owns them?
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| The prisons. I mean more specifically the state or federal
| government ultimately but the prisons more practically.
|
| The 13th amendment specifically carves out an exception to
| allow prisoners to be enslaved. They aren't just using
| political rhetoric:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_exception_clause
|
| You know in movies and cartoons and stuff when you'd see
| like, a whole bunch of prisoners in striped pajamas,
| chained together breaking rocks or digging ditches or
| whatever? Those are depictions of an enslaved workforce.
| GLdRH wrote:
| Forced labor for criminals isn't the same as being a
| slave. They are not owned by the state. We have a similar
| sounding exception clause in Germany, and nobody would
| call the prisoners slaves.
|
| That being said, I don't doubt that the american prison
| systems has severe problems, for example the one raised
| in the other answer to my previous comment.
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| That's cool but I'm not talking about Germany.
| JohnFen wrote:
| > Forced labor for criminals isn't the same as being a
| slave.
|
| The difference is so slight as to be meaningless.
| delecti wrote:
| The text of the 13th amendment makes a direct equivalence
| between the chattel slavery it outlawed and the
| incarcerated forced labor that it left unaffected:
|
| > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a
| punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been
| duly convicted*, shall exist within the United States, or
| any place subject to their jurisdiction
|
| The plain reading of that text is that slavery remains a
| permitted punishment in the US.
| GLdRH wrote:
| I don't know much about constitutional law, either german
| or american, but I know you often can't just "plain read"
| the text.
| stirfish wrote:
| Maybe some additional context would help.
|
| Right after the civil war,
|
| 1. slavery became illegal, except as punishment for a
| crime
|
| 2. a ton of vague laws sprung up, like "malicious
| mischief". Look up "Jim Crow" or "black codes" to get a
| sense of these.
|
| 3. States started "convict-leasing" out prisoners as a
| source of income, often right back to the plantations
| that slaves were liberated from before. The convicted
| were not paid for this labor.
|
| Additional context: Virginia Supreme Court rules that
| inmates are slaves to the state in 1871:
| https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-
| library/abstracts/slaves-s... Virginia held the capitol
| of the Confederacy - the states that tried to leave the
| USA to retain their slaves.
|
| I forget why the crime exception was added to the 13th
| amendment, but I assume it was to make it more palatable
| to the states that still wanted slaves
| stirfish wrote:
| > nobody would call the prisoners slaves.
|
| We Americans don't like doing that either, because it
| makes us uncomfortable.
|
| >Forced labor for criminals isn't the same as being a
| slave. They are not owned by the state.
|
| I'm having trouble understanding how it's different. They
| are held by the state, forced to work, are not free to
| leave, and we have a bit of a history...
| SoftTalker wrote:
| It's the "convicted of a crime" part that makes it
| different.
| lukas099 wrote:
| So we've come to the difference of opinions, which is
| that your definition of slavery excludes those convicted
| of a crime, while others' doesn't. Not a very interesting
| point to debate on.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| Yes, I think there is a difference between being
| kidnapped from your home, shipped across the ocean and
| sold into a life of servitude (with any children you have
| being born into the same condition, or yourself being
| born into such a situation) vs. doing labor as part of a
| sentence for a crime of which you have been duly
| convicted (and will someday be released from). That is my
| opinion.
| stirfish wrote:
| Would your opinion change if the legal system that
| permitted people to be kidnapped, shipped, and sold, was
| the same system that decided if you're a criminal fit to
| be kidnapped, shipped, and sold?
| axus wrote:
| Here's an article, the power relationship was exercised by
| denying parole that would have otherwise been granted
| without a profit motive: https://archive.ph/0gVie
|
| "Since 2018, about 575 companies and more than 100 public
| agencies in Alabama have used incarcerated people as
| landscapers, janitors, drivers, metal fabricators and fast-
| food workers, the lawsuit states, reaping an annual benefit
| of $450 million."
| lukas099 wrote:
| > The Black community began using the word Juneteenth for
| Jubilee Day early in the 1890s. [1]
|
| I thought it was a neologism until I looked it up. Turns out,
| I'm just white.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
| zzrrt wrote:
| It is an old neologism, but the style feels surprisingly
| modern, and/or AAVE is so dominant today that even
| (youngish?) white people would have coined this type of
| abbreviation today.
|
| > on June 19, 1866... "Jubilee Day"
|
| > The Black community began using the word Juneteenth for
| Jubilee Day early in the 1890s.
| downboots wrote:
| https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?year_start=1800&year_e.
| ..
| John23832 wrote:
| Not to be snarky, but they should just learn what it means? I
| could just as easily not know what emancipation means. I
| frankly have some family members that I'm sure don't.
| jrm4 wrote:
| I cannot possibly disagree with this more, "Juneteenth" is far
| superior.
|
| Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It _forces_
| people to consider and be reminded of Black American culture;
| "Emancipation Day" whitewashes the history a little bit and
| gives a little too much credit to the so-called "emancipators."
| Let's keep this centered on Black folks, where it belongs.
|
| Invoking questions is a feature, not a bug.
| logifail wrote:
| > Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It forces
| people to consider and be reminded of Black American culture
|
| If you don't already know what "Juneteenth" means, the word
| itself gives you _nothing_ to help you understand. Literally
| zilch. It involkes nothing.
|
| "Emancipation Day" does give the outsider a clue.
|
| Names matter.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Do Thanksgiving.
|
| Also, if Serbia has some holidays that I can't recognize
| when I read them from a calendar, should Serbia change the
| names of them for me? Or is it only the words that black
| Americans use that aren't real when random people don't
| recognize them?
| jrm4 wrote:
| Again. GOOD GOOD GOOD.
|
| What you have just told me is a FEATURE. Not a BUG.
|
| I'm very GOOD with people "not immediately knowing." I like
| that. It forces them to learn about my people and culture.
|
| "Juneteenth" makes you step in and perhaps get a little
| uncomfortable, like, hmm weird little Black-sounding
| phrase?
|
| "Emancipation Day" frees (lol) you from engaging, you can
| just sort of take on the same ol same ol story, which, I
| imagine for many people starts with Abraham Lincoln and not
| Black people.
| jwarden wrote:
| I didn't realize "Juneteenth" was considered "Black-
| sounding" by some people. Juneteenth is a pretty
| culturally mainstream term (being a national holiday).
| And forming new words using contractions doesn't seem
| like a typically Black-person thing to do.
|
| I associate the term with Black people, not because of
| how it sounds, but because I know what it means and know
| about it's origin among formerly-enslaved Black
| communities.
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| I had this conversation with a group of people today and
| literally not one of them knew its true origin and the
| word never propelled them to look into it further. They
| just assumed (correctly) that someone came up with the
| name because it's in June and the nineTEENTH day, but
| they didn't realize the term was actually used long ago.
|
| So take from that anecdote what you will, but I'll admit
| the name kind of has a modern sound and I don't think it
| spurs the kind of curiosity that you hope it does.
|
| Also, FWIW, the name "Emancipation Day" is also a
| commonly used name for the holiday, though not as common
| as Juneteenth.
| rsynnott wrote:
| I mean... you could just look it up, if you didn't know.
| Plenty of places have obscurely-named holidays (for
| instance, a number of countries have Whit Monday as a
| holiday; good luck figuring out what _that_ is from the
| name...)
| almostgotcaught wrote:
| > "Emancipation Day" does give the outsider a clue.
|
| shall we also rename shabbat and yom kippur and purim so
| that "outsiders" can have a clue?
|
| people are so tone deaf sometimes - it's not for you - it's
| for the people whose ancestors were freed on this day.
|
| > the word itself gives you nothing to help you understand
|
| neither does any other word that you don't bother to look
| up in dictionary or encyclopedia.
| stirfish wrote:
| Actually, I guess we have! Notice how you typed "shabbat"
| and not "shbt"
| ghushn3 wrote:
| Ah, just like Easter, Christmas, Ramadan, Fat Tuesday,
| Valentine's Day, Purim, Holi, Passover, Cinco De Mayo,
| D-Day, etc. etc. etc.
|
| Observances _regularly_ don 't give you a clue what they
| are about. Like, if you weren't already aware about Martin
| Luther King, Jr. day, you'd have to Google it to know
| what's up. Same with Rosh Hashana. Or Eid. I think you
| might be getting stuck on something that is demonstrably
| not a unique phenomena and it's reading a little like
| there's something about Juneteenth itself that's bothering
| you.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| The UK just gave up and named them "Late May Bank
| Holiday".
| bobxmax wrote:
| To backup the first posters point, I have no idea what
| Juneteenth is or how it relates to black history or black
| people.
| yusefnapora wrote:
| Your ignorance is easily cured in the age of the internet.
| Why hold on to it?
| tomluyer wrote:
| Yes. And those who believe everything on the internet are
| not igonorant. If its there it must be true!
| ok_dad wrote:
| Don't use strawman arguments mixed with sarcasm, it
| doesn't help anyone. Not everything on the internet is a
| lie or propaganda.
|
| Wikipedia is reliable enough to lookup what Juneteenth
| is, if you were really curious and not just complaining
| about the name.
| tomluyer wrote:
| Theres no straw man arugement here. The fact is
| everything is on the internet. Telling someone their
| ignorant because its on the internet is a half truth. Its
| like saying I graduated from Harvard and therefore I had
| the best education money could buy and theres no way i'm
| ignorant. The straw was the ignorant comment and not
| providing what it is why it should be celebrated by
| Americans.
| ok_dad wrote:
| Nah it's really easy to understand Juneteenth if you just
| google it. Let's not argue on the fringes of the subject
| and claim it applies here. Ignorant people always have
| excuses for why it's too hard to become educated on a
| simple subject.
| bobxmax wrote:
| I don't care enough to waste my time learning about
| America's latest attempt at making themselves feel better
| about their barbaric cultural history.
|
| I'm simply commenting that "emanicipation day" is much
| clearer than "Juneteenth" - whether that's a good thing
| or not I have no opinion on as it has nothing to do with
| me.
| almostgotcaught wrote:
| > I don't care enough to waste my time learning about
| America's latest attempt at making themselves feel better
| about their barbaric cultural history.
|
| jesus christ you people are so thick:
|
| > Early Juneteenth celebrations date back to 1866, at
| first involving church-centered community gatherings in
| Texas. They spread across the South among newly freed
| African-Americans and their descendants and became more
| commercialized in the 1920s and 1930s, often centering on
| a food festival.
|
| just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's
| not real.
| bobxmax wrote:
| Who said it's not real? What are you babbling about?
| ghushn3 wrote:
| > America's latest attempt at making themselves feel
| better about their barbaric cultural history
|
| This isn't a new phenomena. Juneteenth has been
| celebrated for _well_ over a hundred years now.
| assimpleaspossi wrote:
| By people in a small community in Texas and nowhere else.
| No one elsewhere heard of this thing till now. Now
| everyone pretends it's a big deal but it was strictly a
| local event there. You never heard of it till Biden's
| group brought it up. I bet I'm older than you (the
| reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up.
|
| This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the
| guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a
| Federal holiday where one gets the day off.
| Den_VR wrote:
| The American ethnocentrism is real and in FORCE when
| racism is involved. Not surprising for an American
| holiday relevant only to Americans.
| typeofhuman wrote:
| I disagree. I think it should be centered on the western,
| Christian values that lead to the abolishing of a long
| practiced tradition.
| KittenInABox wrote:
| The western, Christian values explicitly had slavery in
| them. The slave owners were Christian. I don't really see
| how religion has to do with the abolishment of race-based
| slavery, sadly.
| tempaway43563 wrote:
| argument about naming conventions is exactly what I expected to
| find on hn
| antonymoose wrote:
| It's not just an argument of name, it's an argument of when.
| Go down to Charleston, SC where the local black population
| celebrates Emancipation Day on January 1st and has for a
| long, long time.
|
| Juneteenth is in that context as artificial a holiday as
| Kwanza. I would imagine most other southern states have
| similar breaks with the Juneteenth holiday, in that it
| doesn't represent the historical reality of their community.
| chgs wrote:
| Thank you. As a non American I have no idea what it means -
| only knew something was up because the us markets didn't seem
| to be moving.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Why should the names of American holidays mean something to
| non-Americans? Would you know what Thanksgiving meant without
| looking it up?
| macrael wrote:
| Happy Juneteenth! A reminder that we can change as a country. May
| we never have to liberate by war again.
| typeofhuman wrote:
| It wasn't just changing a country. It was changing a long, long
| human tradition.
|
| The value system and moral framework of the abolishinists
| spanned beyond the confines of country.
| almostgotcaught wrote:
| completely fake/revisionist news; much of the world had
| outlawed/emancipated slavery/slaves prior to 1866:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slave.
| ..
|
| wikipedia is free.
| pedalpete wrote:
| Technically correct, but there are 1 million nicer ways to
| make your point.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| user982 wrote:
| Someone once tried to make the argument to me that African
| Americans should feel eternal gratitude toward whites for
| fighting a war to free them. The fact of the matter is that
| America is one of the very few countries in history to
| fight a war to _keep_ slavery.
| moomoo11 wrote:
| Happy Juneteenth
|
| Idk why so many people are upset or arguing. Sorry to add to the
| noise but I'm a naturalized citizen here and I feel like USA has
| so much history of doing better and moving things forward for
| everyone.
|
| People all operate independently in thought here, but somehow
| since 1776 they have genuinely pushed society forward all things
| considered.
|
| Everyone acting out of self interest but in a direction where
| things get better, objectively speaking, makes it a good society.
|
| It is superior to living under dictatorships, corruption rotted
| "democracies", or religious intolerance where the people always
| lose.
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