[HN Gopher] Finding Shawn Mendes (2019)
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       Finding Shawn Mendes (2019)
        
       Author : jzwinck
       Score  : 328 points
       Date   : 2025-06-09 07:16 UTC (15 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (ericneyman.wordpress.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (ericneyman.wordpress.com)
        
       | saaaaaam wrote:
       | I'm really not sure what I just read. I mean, I know what I read
       | in terms of the words - but I don't understand what its purpose
       | is. But I don't necessarily think it matters...
       | 
       | It was thoroughly diverting, held my attention and made me wish
       | that more people wrote pieces like this where the only real
       | purpose is the conceit, and the subsequent journey the author
       | takes you on.
        
         | tough wrote:
         | I also read it fully, which i don't usually do.
         | 
         | I'm just left guessing if there's some cryptpic yet important
         | geo-political statement hidden in a funny post about some
         | celebrity i had never heard of until now
        
           | 4ggr0 wrote:
           | to me it reads as a well done parody on conspiracy theories.
        
             | tough wrote:
             | right! that's it, its like this nonsense numbers conspiracy
             | theories that seem ramblings of some mentally ill person,
             | but written in a more coherent, interestnig way that any of
             | these (they usually are harder/cryptic to read due to its
             | nonsense) so it ends up being an easier read as a parody
             | than an actual conspiracy theory
        
           | sylens wrote:
           | It's a satire on how deeply some fandoms read into lyrics or
           | "hidden messages" from artists and works of art in general
        
         | dooglius wrote:
         | Not everything needs to have a purpose. The most likely
         | explanation to me is just that inspiration happened to strike
         | the author as he heard the song.
        
           | whycome wrote:
           | That sounds like a purpose.
        
         | stavros wrote:
         | I think this is one of those things that either has intrinsic
         | purpose for you, or it doesn't. As for me, I thoroughly enjoyed
         | reading about this analysis of Shawn Mendes' cryptic lyric.
        
         | pryelluw wrote:
         | It's the brain ticking itself.
        
         | amiga386 wrote:
         | It's taking vapid pop lyrics literally for humourous effect.
         | 
         | You could call it bathos.
        
         | dechov wrote:
         | I'd consider it a satisfying little exercise in deductive
         | reasoning / OSINT - if reasoning is worthwhile and exercises
         | are worthwhile, then this must be as well
        
         | jjj123 wrote:
         | My favorite in this genre is by the Gawker legend Caity Weaver.
         | 
         | My 14-hour search for the end of TGI Friday's endless
         | appetizers: https://www.gawkerarchives.com/my-14-hour-search-
         | for-the-end...
        
           | p1nkpineapple wrote:
           | that was an absolute joy of a read, thanks for sharing!
        
         | morley wrote:
         | By the way, if you liked this post, this taking-silly-things-
         | way-to-seriously is the comedic wheelhouse of Nathan Fielder.
        
       | rwmj wrote:
       | Sort of on-topic: The Kuril islands are a big deal in Hokkaido. I
       | attended a protest there (by accident) a few years ago with many
       | Japanese demonstrating for a return of the islands to Japan. It
       | was kind of odd as an outsider because the protest clearly has no
       | effect, and there's no chance of it ever happening outside of
       | Russia losing a war.
        
       | fshafique wrote:
       | And thus was born a new game, one that combined knowledge of
       | history, politics, and pop trivia.
        
       | Brajeshwar wrote:
       | Oh Man. A few years back, my daughter played so much of Lost in
       | Japan repeatedly. I thought the singer was another girl, because
       | of the others in the playlist such as Kate Perry, and Justin
       | Beiber.
        
         | tempodox wrote:
         | FYI, Justin _Bieber_ is not a girl.
        
           | falcor84 wrote:
           | I see you italicized _Bieber_ , this is surely not a
           | coincidence, because nothing is ever a coincidence.
        
             | tempodox wrote:
             | Because GP misspelled the name as "Beiber".
        
               | 4ggr0 wrote:
               | That's exactly the kind of thing they'd want you to
               | believe!!
        
               | yzydserd wrote:
               | Who? The Beliebers or the non-Beliebers?
        
               | tempodox wrote:
               | I think it would be the Beleibers.
        
               | low_tech_love wrote:
               | Amazon Prime disagrees with you.
               | 
               | https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Justin-Beiber-The-Next-
               | Cha...
        
       | xuanwo wrote:
       | We have to invite Shawn Mendes to read this post.
        
         | IAmBroom wrote:
         | Shades of "Shia Laboeuf"
        
       | nati0n wrote:
       | This... this is impressive dedication to a gag blog post. Enjoyed
       | the read.
        
       | _luiza_ wrote:
       | lovely
        
       | erratic_chargi wrote:
       | Man this is so dumb I love it Unfortunately the song is stuck in
       | my head again...
        
       | dkga wrote:
       | Precisely the type of thing I immensely enjoy reading on a
       | holiday!
        
       | CommenterPerson wrote:
       | I'm patting myself on the back. After reading the first couple
       | paragraphs, I went Eh? and came here to the comments. Thanks
       | everyone for saving me the time.
        
         | stavros wrote:
         | Saving you the time of reading a fantastic article? I think
         | not.
        
       | willvarfar wrote:
       | So I just had a fun 5 minutes trying to talk gemini around to
       | believing that Shawn has a position on the Kuril Islands dispute
       | by submitting all the evidence in the article, but the llm is
       | pretty impressively consistent and insistent that the song is
       | figurative etc. Miss the days when it was so easy to get an LLM
       | to argue for anything by persistence.
        
       | mmillin wrote:
       | Reading this felt very similar to watching "Pitch Perfect 237"
       | (Anna Kendrick 9/11 conspiracy)
       | https://youtube.com/watch?v=MiC9X_MoE1M
        
         | shalmanese wrote:
         | A significant amount of context is missing if you're not aware
         | of Room 237: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_237
         | 
         | A documentary about the various conspiracy theories developed
         | around The Shining. The music in the YT video is from the
         | documentary.
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | It's sad that LLMs seem unable to produce that kind of brilliant
       | deductive reasoning.
        
         | speed_spread wrote:
         | I disagree. It'll be sad the day they can do so. This kind of
         | brilliant but absurd joke is still a refuge from the AI slop
         | onslaught.
        
       | wy35 wrote:
       | This is hilarious, I need to find more blog posts like this.
        
       | saretup wrote:
       | https://youtu.be/1NBfZcNU4O0
        
       | Scarblac wrote:
       | But just how seriously should we take Shawn Mendes' stand on the
       | Kuril islands? How big of a hit was _Lost in Japan_?
        
       | eps wrote:
       | Excellent deduction, but somewhat rushed at the end. Almost
       | sloppy. If Mendez is flying to meet up with a friend at a hotel,
       | it's clearly necassary to check if there are any hotels on that
       | island to begin with.
       | 
       | We can, of course, _assume_ that if there 's an airport, there's
       | a hotel, but being a Russian territory even the most benign
       | assumption may prove false, so it's still prudent to check.
       | 
       | The good news is that there is not one, but two hotels on Iturup,
       | both with impressive ratings (even if across a dozen reviews
       | each). With this in place, I trust, we can put the final dot to
       | the story of finding Shawn Mendez and his views on the annexation
       | of the Kurils.
        
         | benatkin wrote:
         | I think patio11 would do this part well.
         | https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/two-americas-one-bank...
        
         | rts_cts wrote:
         | If Where in the World is Carman Sandiego on the Apple ][ taught
         | me anything, it's that there is always a hotel and it is the
         | best place to check on arrival.
        
       | xixixao wrote:
       | The article suspiciously leaves out whether there's a hotel on
       | Iturup Island, on which the whole argument hinges.
       | 
       | Quick Google Maps reveales there indeed is one.
       | 
       | What a relief!
        
       | codazoda wrote:
       | This is also an exercise in deductive reasoning, which I recently
       | read, somewhere here on Hacker News, is a good skill to exercise.
        
       | rsynnott wrote:
       | This misses one obvious possibility; that it just happened before
       | Okinawa was returned to Japan.
       | 
       | (Granted, that was a while ago, and he looks young-ish, but I
       | don't really know anything about Shawn Mendes, so am entirely
       | open to the possibility that he's in his 70s and doing that blood
       | boy thing from Silicon Valley.)
        
       | sota_pop wrote:
       | What a journey. Bravo, I am surely convinced beyond a reasonable
       | doubt.
        
       | rahimnathwani wrote:
       | This reminded me of "Where is Ja?"
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-ddYhXAZc
        
         | QuesnayJr wrote:
         | I think of the line "I want some answers that Ja Rule might not
         | have right now" pretty often.
        
       | cwnyth wrote:
       | There is a mistake in blogger's logic. Mendes never says that he
       | is flying to Japan. He only states that he is a couple hundred of
       | miles away from Japan. He could be flying from South Korea to
       | Taipei.
        
       | kin wrote:
       | According to Genius, some fans believe the lyrics to reference
       | when he toured in the Philippines and flew to Japan after.
       | https://genius.com/14147648
       | 
       | The timing of the song being released in 2018 lines up.
        
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