[HN Gopher] Mistral Code
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       Mistral Code
        
       Author : tosh
       Score  : 165 points
       Date   : 2025-06-04 17:50 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (mistral.ai)
 (TXT) w3m dump (mistral.ai)
        
       | rahimnathwani wrote:
       | Pricing is 'contact us'.
        
         | moralestapia wrote:
         | Dead on Arrival
        
         | behnamoh wrote:
         | Since this is a fork of continue.dev I wonder about the legal
         | implications of monetizing the project.
        
           | wut42 wrote:
           | Isn't Continue released under Apache 2?
        
       | kiratp wrote:
       | How do you launch a dev tool with a "contact us" call to action?
       | 
       | It's like Mistral is choosing to fail here.
       | 
       | Edit: I can't even tell if its a CLI tool, an IDE plugin or a
       | standalone IDE!
       | 
       | Edit 2: oh man! it's at the bottom of the page
       | 
       | Edit 3: "Mistral Code Enterprise is currently only available with
       | an enterprise license." :D
        
         | closewith wrote:
         | I think unfortunately Enterprise Call Us sales tactics are
         | actually extremely effective.
        
           | theyinwhy wrote:
           | Are they? I never look at such software again unless forced
           | by my boss.
        
             | aerhardt wrote:
             | I buy Enterprise software too and unless there is a good
             | reason (there are no other alternatives, or I have complex
             | requirements), I'll also quite often negatively factor
             | being dropped into a sales funnel, with all it entails.
        
               | closewith wrote:
               | A form of pre-qualification, so.
        
             | almost wrote:
             | Yes, but how likely were you to spend tens of thousands of
             | dollars or more on software?
        
             | haswell wrote:
             | I worked for enterprise software companies for a number of
             | years.
             | 
             | I'm not personally a fan of "call us" pricing, but it is
             | indeed effective, and the companies that sell software this
             | way do so because they prioritize establishing human
             | relationships between a salesperson and the buyer.
             | 
             | In the long run, this leads to more sales/upsells.
        
               | bbarnett wrote:
               | No, they specialize in knowing how to extract every
               | single penny from you they can. Find out how big the
               | company is, and bleed them as best possible.
               | 
               | If you're too small, they won't even talk to you.
               | 
               | That's what besoke pricing is.
               | 
               | Knowing your client happens regardless of showing pricing
               | or not.
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | This is a fairly cynical way to frame this. There is
               | absolutely bad behavior in the enterprise software space,
               | but that is certainly not universal, and is not inherent
               | to the "call us" approach.
               | 
               | > _If you 're too small, they won't even talk to you._
               | 
               | This is often true. Some of the software I worked on was
               | extremely expensive to host, and there was indeed a
               | minimum threshold that was many multiples of $10K.
               | 
               | It's not that the company didn't want smaller players to
               | use the software, but that smaller players just weren't
               | large enough to benefit from the minimum buy-in, and
               | selling the software at a lower cost for those smaller
               | customers would have just been pure loss. Over time, they
               | were able to lower the minimum threshold due to
               | improvements in the architecture and economies of scale,
               | but the point here is just that these minimums often
               | exist for good reasons.
               | 
               | > _Knowing your client happens regardless of showing
               | pricing or not._
               | 
               | It really does not. Many software companies have a
               | minimal relationship (if any) with their customers. For
               | some customers and some product types, this is perfectly
               | fine. But when a company is buying software that will
               | cost the company millions/year, having a direct line to a
               | real person who in turn can arrange conversations with
               | product management, customer success, etc. is table
               | stakes, and is often not possible or available with
               | smaller vendors.
               | 
               | You can dislike the model, but I'd suggest digging in to
               | some of the _why_ before dismissing it too reductively.
        
               | GuinansEyebrows wrote:
               | > This is a fairly cynical way to frame this.
               | 
               | dismissals of negative reactions as 'cynical' rarely
               | acknowledge the fact that a 'cynical' response is often
               | no more cynical than the cynicism of the target.
               | 
               | bespoke pricing _is_ a cynical tactic, no matter how you
               | dress it up. it provides a legal shroud, and i 've no
               | more patience in me to give the benefit of the doubt to
               | any profit-motivated enterprise that can't at least be
               | upfront about what they want to charge for their
               | services.
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | I think you overestimate the degree to which some
               | software can be standardized and sold in a set of well-
               | defined SKUs, and the degree to which some buyers want to
               | be intimately familiar with extremely granular pricing
               | (e.g. something like AWS).
               | 
               | Again, speaking only for the places I worked, part of the
               | reason pricing wasn't simple was that larger customer
               | deployments were tuned to the customer based on a myriad
               | of factors ranging from the specific software modules the
               | customer purchased, use cases they intended to deploy and
               | the load characteristics of those use cases, etc.
               | 
               | Setting aside for a moment any potential bad behavior,
               | the bottom line is that for some kinds of software,
               | bespoke pricing is a more accurate reflection of the
               | reality of the deployment than trying to force some kind
               | of standardized label on it. The places I worked also had
               | pricing books they'd show customers, but due to their
               | complexity, they would not publish these publicly.
               | 
               | > _bespoke pricing is a cynical tactic, no matter how you
               | dress it up_
               | 
               | We'll have to agree to disagree. Having worked with quite
               | a few large vendors over the years, there are clear and
               | obvious differences between them, better and worse
               | reasons for this type of pricing, and there's a reason
               | that some companies have earned a negative reputation
               | while others have not.
               | 
               | It's also not clear to me why you've concluded that this
               | is all _inherently_ cynical.
        
               | GuinansEyebrows wrote:
               | maybe i overestimate. maybe i just appreciate the
               | difference between the product and support for the
               | product. for support, i understand a more-bespoke pricing
               | model, but it'd be nice if there was at least some
               | upfront inkling of how much i have to open my
               | organization's veins in exchange for a working
               | implementation.
               | 
               | interacting with capital is a cynical act. capitalism is
               | predatory but it's necessary to interact with it. if
               | you're not cynical, you risk being taken for a worse ride
               | than you have to be. this isn't me handwaving things;
               | it's a fundamental aspect to how i see the world.
               | cynicism doesn't have to be a simple doom-and-gloom
               | "well, everything is bad, end of discussion" (regardless
               | of my personal feelings about it) - it can be a tool to
               | make sure you're able to interact with systems in ways
               | that benefit you and others while retaining whatever
               | modicum of control you can - because even if you aren't,
               | your vendor _is_ (or they 're on their way to being out
               | of business as a profit-motivated entity).
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | > maybe i just appreciate the difference between the
               | product and support for the product. for support, i
               | understand a more-bespoke pricing model
               | 
               | I'm trying to frame this sentence so it doesn't sound
               | like a jab because that's not my intent, but based on
               | what you've written, I don't think you understand the
               | kind of software I'm describing.
               | 
               | In your mind, what is the distinction between the two,
               | especially for an enterprise solution hosted by a vendor?
               | In my experience, the two are often not so different at
               | all, and the clean lines you imagine here are not lines
               | that exist in practice. This will depend on the nature of
               | the software, and the kind of support customers need
               | (i.e. infrastructure vs. implementation).
               | 
               | > _but it 'd be nice if there was at least some upfront
               | inkling of how much i have to open my organization's
               | veins in exchange for a working implementation._
               | 
               | You are assuming this is not part of the model, but it
               | is. Not publicly listing a pricing sheet does not in any
               | way mean a customer doesn't have clarity about how much
               | their deployment will cost before they sign a contract.
               | 
               | > _interacting with capital is a cynical act._
               | 
               | Your use of "cynical" is in a different category than
               | what I was describing above. If we go with your
               | definition, there is no reason to differentiate between
               | bespoke pricing and up-front published pricing.
        
               | nickpsecurity wrote:
               | I think your argument is supported by the fact that many
               | companies, in and outside of AI, have pricing upfront.
               | That's for cloud platforms, OS's, frameworks like Sciter,
               | shrink-wrap, semi-custom with value adds ("starts
               | at..."), per-token pricing on models, etc.
               | 
               | Then, some companies wont give the slightest hint of
               | pricing unless we talk to their paid salespeople. It's
               | definitely a game to extract more money out of you. While
               | they may or may not, they often ignore low-volume
               | customers who could easily buy the product if it was on
               | an online store. Your skepticism is warranted.
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | > _While they may or may not, they often ignore low-
               | volume customers who could easily buy the product if it
               | was on an online store. Your skepticism is warranted._
               | 
               | Setting aside any qualms about how the pricing is
               | published, if a business chooses a strategy in which they
               | focus on large customers and choose not to take on small
               | customers, why is this an issue? Especially when the
               | market is filled with alternatives?
               | 
               | The support model, predictability of yearly renewals,
               | per-customer overhead, etc. look quite different when
               | selling to larger customers vs. small/low-volume
               | customers.
        
               | nickpsecurity wrote:
               | It depends on one's moral philosophy. One kind would see
               | it as discrimination with a negative, long-term impact on
               | people and markets. Others would say they can do whatever
               | they want. Subjectivists and capitalists would encourage
               | them to do so to maximize selfish gains, esp money and
               | power.
               | 
               | If about selfish gain, then you should have no concern
               | with people calling out their practice to warn others.
               | They're doing what they want to do. They're also helping
               | others with a warning to avoid harms, like lock-in and
               | overcharging, that are more likely with "call us for a
               | quote" type companies. The warnings are also market
               | signals for buyers.
               | 
               | In my case, I also tell people to encourage good
               | practices like having prices up. Posts like mine might
               | also inspire regulations that force prices to be shared
               | ahead of time. They might also inspire people to use or
               | develop lock-in-free alternatives which some out there
               | are doing.
        
               | YetAnotherNick wrote:
               | Also not only just establishing human relationships,
               | sometimes software might not be available at all for plug
               | and play and require client level tuning to be effective.
               | Even in cursor, setting up a good .cursorrules seems to
               | have quite a big effect.
               | 
               | I don't think "call us" is an effective inbound sales
               | tactic though, but Mistral does have folks in sales who
               | can do outbound sales.
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | This is a key point. A customer that buys $100K+ worth of
               | software is automatically a future debook risk if they
               | can't/don't implement it successfully and start seeing
               | value right away.
               | 
               | The high touch approach ensures they're getting support
               | at every step of the way and increases the chances that
               | they'll use the software and renew later.
               | 
               | I'm not sure how many of these factors are in play for
               | Mistral, but to your point, it's easy to imagine some
               | scenarios.
        
             | Kiro wrote:
             | You're not the target audience.
        
             | tootie wrote:
             | If you're buying actual business critical software, you
             | always want a signed contract. Even if they have
             | transparent pricing and a checkout form. Most of these
             | services will reserve the right to terminate service if
             | they detect any violation of terms. A signed contract
             | usually precludes them from doing that.
        
             | GuB-42 wrote:
             | That's the idea, they are trying to have your boss force
             | you to look at such software.
        
         | efsavage wrote:
         | The higher up the food chain you can go the more effective this
         | is. Someone who thinks that negotiating is part of their job
         | and/or persona is more willing to call the place they think
         | they can get a deal on rather than the fixed price offering.
         | 
         | Whether they're correct is a separate question, but it's an
         | effective strategy if you're targeting that buyer.
        
         | bdcravens wrote:
         | Presumably their market is different than the typical developer
         | or low-level manager armed with with a shadow IT company card.
        
         | fazkan wrote:
         | yup, got lost as well. Is it like a VS-code, continue
         | alternative?
        
       | coolgoose wrote:
       | Pricing is worse than contact us, it's contact us and tell us
       | your company size and revenue wtf Mistral, I wanted to maybe pick
       | this up, as we're an european company and I want an European ai
       | company to succeed but this is ridiculous
        
         | conception wrote:
         | OpenAI will not sell you enterprise unless you can bring in a
         | certain amount of money. Same for Anthropic. Demand is too high
         | for small potatoes.
        
           | themanmaran wrote:
           | Yea but for Mistral it's not just the enterprise plan. It's
           | all variants of the "Mistral Code". So pretty useless to
           | launch on HN if the only CTA is booking a demo.
        
             | bdcravens wrote:
             | They aren't "launching" on HN. The user that shared this
             | link is well known as a bulk submitter.
        
           | Keyframe wrote:
           | We ought all to write this down and remember it well when the
           | tide changes.
        
           | coolgoose wrote:
           | Yea but this little tator just wanted to use the coding
           | agent, I don't expect enterprise features. Unfortunately
           | there's no alternative to enterprise, so no way to support an
           | European alternative :)
        
       | tormeh wrote:
       | Mistral lags behind on model quality. Seems like they want to
       | focus more on customization and customer relations. If they had a
       | leading model they'd probably have transparent pricing.
        
         | esafak wrote:
         | They could get away with 'contact us' if they were leaders.
         | Maybe they're courting the EU-only segment.
        
           | tormeh wrote:
           | It's the other way around - everybody wants to create
           | products with mass appeal and have low marginal costs and
           | print money. The people who can't manage to do that go the
           | consultancy route and add "contact us" under their pricing.
        
       | bossyTeacher wrote:
       | N/A
        
         | Tokumei-no-hito wrote:
         | nothing about this shit page is "obvious". learn about CTA
         | because this isn't it.
        
         | bcye wrote:
         | The extension seems to be enterprise only.
         | 
         | https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mistrala...
        
         | Hikikomori wrote:
         | Is it?
         | 
         | Mistral Code is available with enterprise deployments.
         | 
         | Contact our team to get started.
        
         | Toritori12 wrote:
         | Are you sure what are you saying? The VSCode extension link [0]
         | also redirect to the enterprise version, with no other option
         | being available.
         | 
         | 0:
         | https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mistrala...
        
         | AstroBen wrote:
         | I don't see any options for Pro or Team licenses for Mistral
         | Code. That's only chat
         | 
         | Seems they're purely targeting this towards enterprise
        
       | b0a04gl wrote:
       | it's wild cause the underlying tech might be sick but this
       | enterprise gatekeeping ruins the whole arc. not every dev wants
       | to fake a cto title just to see a pricing page.. tbh at this
       | point just put a playground, let people touch it, break it, love
       | it. if it's good, it spreads. no need to run it like you're
       | guarding the source of life.
        
         | koakuma-chan wrote:
         | > it's wild cause the underlying tech might be sick
         | 
         | How is their underlying tech different from any other AI VSCode
         | extension?
        
           | b0a04gl wrote:
           | maybe it's a leaner model actually tuned for coding, not just
           | another wrapper. fast, scoped, trained right and but zero
           | clarity. all potential, no real explanation.
        
             | koakuma-chan wrote:
             | "Advanced models such as Codestral and Devstral under the
             | hood"
        
           | behnamoh wrote:
           | IDK man, I liked their API for a while due to its low latency
           | but after a few requests the API crashes with 90%
           | probability.
        
         | ivape wrote:
         | The underlying tech is the same exact stuff as the other
         | frontier models.
        
       | flakiness wrote:
       | Instruct "add docstrings" to JS code :shrug:
        
       | joshstrange wrote:
       | This is a little embarrassing and I'm a little shocked HN hasn't
       | flagged it to death.
       | 
       | I seriously doubt Mistral was able to create something actually
       | useful (or at least better than Aider/Claude Code/etc) and hiding
       | behind enterprise sales is cowardly. Surely anyone with half a
       | brain isn't going to roll the dice on something completely
       | untested and coming from a company like Mistral. They have no
       | track record in this area and their models aren't considered
       | SOTA.
        
         | tensor wrote:
         | While enterprise stuff is dead on arrival, their models for OCR
         | and niche languages are indeed SOTA. Also, their local/small
         | models are likely SOTA too if you are running in a constrained
         | environment.
        
         | mistrial9 wrote:
         | > Surely anyone with half a brain isn't going to roll the dice
         | 
         | the evidence points to the empty half, then
        
         | e-max wrote:
         | What are the alternatives? Let's say you're something like
         | Deutsche Bank and you need an AI solution for your dev team
         | that is fully compliant with EU privacy laws.
        
       | atonse wrote:
       | Same as others have said, with consumers wanting to try 20
       | different models all the time, you have to reduce the friction of
       | trying out the model.
       | 
       | I hope this is just a huge mistake that they aren't allowing
       | anyone to actually try it.
       | 
       | Word of mouth from HN and others (not just advertising a link or
       | press release) is how I've started to use about pretty much every
       | single AI feature I use.
       | 
       | Assuming this isn't a mistake, it says that this company has the
       | wrong management/leadership structure if they think they can sell
       | a brand new developer focused coding tool without letting actual
       | developers try it. Maybe we don't know something?
        
         | whiplash451 wrote:
         | Poolside does the same thing, though
        
       | qwertox wrote:
       | How will companies engage with Mistral if their developers can't
       | just install the thing and test it?
       | 
       | --
       | 
       | Here's a FAQ for Mistral Code:
       | https://help.mistral.ai/en/collections/732571-mistral-code
       | 
       | For example: https://help.mistral.ai/en/articles/333875-do-i-
       | need-an-acti...
       | 
       | > Do I need an active subscription to use Mistral Code?
       | 
       | > At the moment, Mistral Code is a premium feature only avaible
       | to Enterprise customers.
       | 
       | > This means that to activate and use Mistral Code, your
       | organization needs to have an active Enterprise agreement with
       | Mistral AI that includes access to this tool.
       | 
       | > Individual users within such organizations can then log in on
       | their own and use the extension autonomously, provided they've
       | been attributed a Mistral Code seat by their organization's
       | administrator (see How to manage Mistral Code seats for more
       | details).
        
       | speerer wrote:
       | > Mistral Code Enterprise is a fork of Continue. All due credit
       | to the original creators of Continue.
       | 
       | Source:
       | https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mistrala...
       | 
       | Link destination: https://www.continue.dev/
        
         | tensor wrote:
         | Interesting. So if you just configure continue with Mistral
         | Medium 3 as the chat model and codestral as the autocomplete,
         | you probably have exactly this. This is the setup I already
         | use.
        
           | speerer wrote:
           | If that were the case, then the posted URL would be pure
           | hype. I think it's more likely that they've developed
           | something that is more bespoke than that. It's totally too
           | hard to say though.
        
             | tensor wrote:
             | Knowing the enterprise space, my guess is that the only
             | real changes are hardcoding continue to use only Mistral,
             | and tying it into some sort of central enterprise licensing
             | service. Holding back some novel models just for enterprise
             | use seems unlikely, as does developing some novel agentic
             | capabilities within Continue.
             | 
             | Enterprise deals are usually around compliance and security
             | primarily. Companies want centralized billing and to be
             | sure that their developers only use "sanctioned" AI and
             | other tech.
             | 
             | Who knows though with that contact us sales wall.
        
           | ttoinou wrote:
           | Interesting, why do you use those models ? They feel inferior
        
             | tensor wrote:
             | Originally as an experiment in using non-US services, as my
             | company is not a US company and the possibility of tariffs
             | on digital services is not at all unrealistic. The exercise
             | was really enlightening. Not to derail the conversation the
             | TLDR was that in some areas it was easy to move off US
             | services, while in others (github) there are almost no
             | alternatives.
             | 
             | I do have access to US models via Kagi to play around with
             | and use for things Mistral doesn't work on. I've been
             | meaning to try command a too, but haven't gotten around to
             | it. I will say that the new mistral medium model is
             | surprisingly good, though I've only just started using it.
             | Codestral is definitely behind other models.
        
           | killerstorm wrote:
           | The page suggests it's possible to fine-tune models on your
           | code base
        
             | tensor wrote:
             | That's very possible. You can already do that via the
             | platform api easily (just feeding it your github project),
             | so a light UI around that api would be very easy.
        
         | helloplanets wrote:
         | Well that tidbit of information was definitely sweeped under
         | the rug.
         | 
         | Strikes me as a weird combo to have a fork of a VS
         | Code/JetBrains extension be a completely walled off enterprise
         | only deal. Any other apps out there having success with this
         | sort of model?
        
         | behnamoh wrote:
         | This is why I don't like open sourcing my projects anymore.
         | Someone else with more resources just forks it and makes
         | profits, thinking that merely acknowledging me pays my bills.
         | 
         | For years, ollama didn't acknowledge llama.cpp and r/localllama
         | found it weird until they finally mentioned llama.cpp on their
         | page, but the damage is done: most apps that support local LLMs
         | only support ollama or LM Studio API, not the original
         | llama.cpp.
        
           | segmondy wrote:
           | then don't. the point of open source is not to earn money or
           | profit. it's to have the software open so people can inspect
           | it, be inspired by it, trust it, modify it without contacting
           | you and possibly copy it. imagine sharing your idea with the
           | world but not wanting anyone to implement or capitalize on
           | it. it's an impossible ask.
           | 
           | i'm a bald head grey beard, at least in the 90's when we
           | shared software it was for the reasons we outlined, there was
           | no github stars, there was no trying to line a job. it was a
           | true gift and pay it forward sort of thing to the world. it's
           | been almost lost due to money, if you need to earn a living,
           | start a business, get a job and make your open source project
           | a hobby. don't mix them together.
        
             | behnamoh wrote:
             | > at least in the 90's when we shared software it was for
             | the reasons we outlined...
             | 
             | With all due respect, that's not how most open source
             | software is today [1]. A lot of CS students on the job
             | market _need_ Github stars or green tiles in case the
             | employers check their page. So many open source projects
             | are done only to boost resumes, not for the reasons you
             | mentioned. Not to mention a lot of projects start as open
             | source to lure users, only to become closed at some point
             | (the notorious langchain is one example).
             | 
             | [1]: with the exception of some huge projects like ffmpeg,
             | llama.cpp, etc.
        
           | freedomben wrote:
           | > _This is why I don 't like open sourcing my projects
           | anymore. Someone else with more resources just forks it and
           | makes profits, thinking that merely acknowledging me pays my
           | bills._
           | 
           | Then I would submit that you are picking the wrong license.
           | The whole point of the GPL/AGPL family of licenses is to
           | ensure that they can't just do this. They will be required to
           | publish their changes, which benefits the original project
           | (you). It's not a perfect solution, but it helps a great
           | deal. The answer to this problem is not to close up and/or go
           | proprietary.
        
           | novaleaf wrote:
           | The MPL 2.0 is a great compromise. it's basically as
           | permissive as the MIT, but the source code must be made
           | available.
           | 
           | https://www.tldrlegal.com/license/mozilla-public-
           | license-2-0...
        
           | GuB-42 wrote:
           | Choose your license well. If you are using a permissive
           | licence (MIT, Apache, BSD, etc...) you are begging for it. If
           | that's what you want (and it may be what you want), go for
           | it, but don't expect it to pay the bills.
           | 
           | If you are using a copyleft license, especially AGPL, you may
           | not get paid either, but you may get valuable contributions
           | in return. It is also a good way to avoid having big
           | companies profit from your work, if that's what you want.
           | 
           | If you want to make money but still want to open source, use
           | a non-free "source available" licence (ex: "non-commercial").
           | They tend to be unpopular in the open source community and it
           | is probably not the best way to get known.
           | 
           | And then you can have dual-licences, like GPL + commercial.
           | Qt is probably the most popular software using that scheme.
           | 
           | But I don't really understand the people who publish software
           | under a permissive licences and get forked by some tech giant
           | and complain. That's what permissive licenses are for!
        
             | abnercoimbre wrote:
             | From the POV of an indie dev selling closed-source
             | binaries, would a source-available license gain any
             | goodwill in this space? And how would you tackle pricing?
        
               | GuB-42 wrote:
               | I don't really have a say since I don't buy nor sell
               | software. As a technical guy, I may have an influence,
               | but usually, finance decides and not always the way I'd
               | like.
               | 
               | That being said, I highly value having access to the
               | source code, even under a restrictive license. The source
               | code is the best documentation, it doesn't lie. Also
               | being able to make small changes, recompile with
               | different libraries, etc... but for me, the
               | "documentation" aspect is the most important. I don't do
               | security, but I guess being able to audit the code is a
               | good thing too.
               | 
               | For me, open source goes beyond the "freedom" aspect.
               | Also, AFAIK, most commercial game engines are "source
               | available" too.
        
             | overfeed wrote:
             | > But I don't really understand the people who publish
             | software under a permissive licences and get forked by some
             | tech giant and complain
             | 
             | They want to have their cake and eat it.
        
           | matthewmacleod wrote:
           | This is completely within your control:
           | 
           | - If your primary goal is to release open software that stays
           | open, then release under a copyleft license (GPL)
           | 
           | - If your primary goal is to release software for no-strings-
           | attached use (including incorporation into commercial
           | services) then use a permissive license (MIT, BSD, etc.)
        
       | colechristensen wrote:
       | >Mistral Code Enterprise is a fork of Continue. All due credit to
       | the original creators of Continue.
       | 
       | Here's the problem with AI company revenue, I want this to be
       | local, Continue is open source, my company laptop is powerful
       | enough to run a usefully sized LLM locally more or less just as
       | fast, and there are plenty of open models available publicly
       | (including by Mistral, latest dev related called devstral).
       | 
       | As hardware progresses and LLM efficiency increases, I really
       | don't think LLM programming has any future doing remote execution
       | unless maybe as a chatbot kind of experience, but definitely not
       | in an IDE.
       | 
       | Putting together a good developer experience with the open-ish
       | and free-ish things available is still an exercise in cobbling a
       | bunch of things together, but it's going to be streamlined soon
       | and finding a way to compete with "zero cost and local" is going
       | to be very hard for AI businesses.
        
       | abdullahkhalids wrote:
       | Why are all these code assistants apps coming out now? Is it
       | because it takes two years to make these apps? Or is it because
       | LLM performance is plateauing so the way to capture more of the
       | market is via these apps?
        
         | jacooper wrote:
         | Ai labs are moving up the chain, the money is in the
         | application layer.
         | 
         | It's also a way to have some sort of lock in.
        
         | kardos wrote:
         | because it's a much better experience than copy-pasting into a
         | webapp
        
       | mirekrusin wrote:
       | Do they know all this stuff (agentic coding, mcp integration etc)
       | is available through zed + ollama for free?
        
         | hu3 wrote:
         | Same for VSCode which is ubiquitous and offers free Github
         | Copilot quotas with SoTA models, for 6 months now:
         | 
         | https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2024/12/18/free-github-c...
         | 
         | Mistral needs to realize they don't stand a chance against AI
         | giants that are giving out stuff for free or nearly free.
        
       | mwigdahl wrote:
       | I think the main differentiator here is the local installability
       | and customizability. They're clearly targeting orgs that can't or
       | won't use the actual cutting edge agentic models on the market
       | for security or other reasons. Those places are going to
       | need/want to work with a full enterprise sales pipeline, do the
       | security reviews, BAAs, etc.
       | 
       | "Contact Us" is a dealbreaker for a lot of orgs, but for the ones
       | that are the real intended customers here it's not a huge
       | impediment.
        
       | kardos wrote:
       | I'd like to try it, but enterprise only?
        
       | KolmogorovComp wrote:
       | How is this different than using aider-chat with mistral as the
       | backend llm?
        
         | helloplanets wrote:
         | It's a fork of Continue, so you can basically just compare the
         | features to Aider here: https://github.com/continuedev/continue
        
       | dom96 wrote:
       | There is so many of these at this point, is there a page anywhere
       | that has a nice table comparing all of them with their
       | features/pricing?
        
       | anonymousDan wrote:
       | What's the best set of vim plugins for llm coding?
        
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