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       Jerry Lewis's "The Day the Clown Cried" discovered in Sweden after
       53 years
        
       Author : danso
       Score  : 100 points
       Date   : 2025-05-30 20:27 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.thenationalnews.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.thenationalnews.com)
        
       | ocschwar wrote:
       | The film appears to be "inspired" by the story of Janusz
       | Kurchark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janusz_Korczak
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | That was a rather horrible but also beautiful thing to read.
        
       | I-M-S wrote:
       | This was the topic of a recent episode of "Decoder Ring", a
       | wonderful podcast that explores cultural mysteries:
       | https://slate.com/podcasts/decoder-ring/2025/02/on-the-lates...
        
         | qntmfred wrote:
         | also in a Joe Scott video last month
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/FWc68sHWzrA?t=17m41s
        
       | roskelld wrote:
       | I only read about this recently. Such a dark premise, which I
       | could imagine being an incredibly powerful movie if shot well,
       | but missing the mark by even an inch would likely just end up to
       | be an offensive mess. I presumed this movie was a case of the
       | latter.
        
       | jfengel wrote:
       | From everything I've heard, it should have stayed lost. It sounds
       | utterly misbegotten.
        
       | iwanttocomment wrote:
       | The Europafilm staff dubbing _The Day the Clown Cried_ was
       | covered in _From Darkness To Light_ , a documentary from last
       | year about Jerry Lewis' _The Day the Clown Cried_ which premiered
       | on American TV back in August 2024. It 's honestly surprising to
       | me that this continues to make the news this year.
        
       | labrador wrote:
       | A post-divorce girlfriend of mine claims she lost her mind at a
       | private screening that was held for her and some posh English
       | friends. It sounded horrible.
        
         | yieldcrv wrote:
         | due to the content of the film or was this all a non-sequitur
        
           | labrador wrote:
           | The cont. I wouldn't repeat it my son or daughter and
           | haven't.
        
       | autoexec wrote:
       | > "I want to sell it to a serious producer who either restores it
       | or keeps it locked away"
       | 
       | It was arguments over money that caused the film to be "lost" in
       | the first place. It's a shame that it's still all about money and
       | greed could cause it to be lost again. The best thing to do would
       | be to release it online for free so that everyone could see and
       | learn from it. That way, if others want to restore it using
       | modern methods they still can. I'd rather see it as it is anyway.
       | Before the inevitable re-edited (perhaps even censored) AI
       | "enhanced" version a "serious producer" would shit out and
       | overcharge for.
        
         | reddalo wrote:
         | Yeah, I agree. He should release a high-quality capture of the
         | VHS, without edits whatsoever. VHS quality also decays with
         | time, so he better hurry up.
        
           | Hamuko wrote:
           | I thought the main point of this version is that it's edited
           | to be an actual movie based on the script. The Library of
           | Congress already has a bunch of original material with no
           | edits.
        
       | al_borland wrote:
       | > I want to sell it to a serious producer who either restores it
       | or keeps it locked away, or restores it and shows it to people
       | for studying purposes.
       | 
       | How is someone who "keeps it locked away" even an option if he
       | believes it "must be seen"?
       | 
       | This seems like the perfect candidate for going on archive.org,
       | if the goal is for it to be preserved and for people to see it.
       | 
       | I also find it odd that he's been screening it for friends since
       | the 80s, yet has only shown it to 24 people.
        
         | observationist wrote:
         | Maybe he's talking about the physical medium, and not the movie
         | - a copy of the movie should be distributed, for sure, but the
         | film (and the vhs tape) should be kept locked away, it's a
         | piece of history.
        
           | reddalo wrote:
           | Call me a dreamer, but he should just make a good capture of
           | the VHS and upload it to the Internet Archive.
        
           | al_borland wrote:
           | All original copies of all films should be properly archived.
           | I agree with that. The fact that so many have been "lost" is
           | why I don't think we should put our faith in these companies
           | to be the archivists for these works.
        
         | gwbas1c wrote:
         | Probably shows it to a small group of people, like 3-6, every
         | 7-8 years.
        
         | abootstrapper wrote:
         | If he stole it, how does he have the right to sell it?
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | he wouldn't. but eventually, it'll become part of the public
           | domain. at that point, he could release his "work output" and
           | own the copyright on that. that new work could be sold. i
           | worked with someone that did this very thing of restoring
           | copies of old films and released them on DVD
        
             | bawolff wrote:
             | In the us, unpublished works created before 1978 are
             | copyrighted until 70 years after the death of the author
             | (Sweeden might be different though).
             | 
             | So you might be waiting a long time.
             | 
             | > he could release his "work output" and own the copyright
             | on that
             | 
             | Probably not in the united States, but other countries (i
             | know UK at the very least) this would be true. The united
             | states requires "creative decisions" to grant copyright.
             | Work output by itself doesn't count.
             | 
             | You could still distribute it, you just couldn't copyright
             | it.
        
         | IncreasePosts wrote:
         | The film is interesting due to its rarity, but most likely it's
         | not a very good film. So the only people that you might screen
         | into are people who are interested in film history or
         | especially interested in Jerry Lewis
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | You can find old film reels from random places. I used to work
         | at a film post house where people would bring us film they
         | purchased without really knowing what it was. One person scored
         | several features from an old broadcaster from when they would
         | actually broadcast straight from the telecine. Some of these
         | might be in the public domain now, but most were not. A lot of
         | them reeked of vinegar and beyond saving.
        
       | legitster wrote:
       | The movie was never "lost". All of the original film apparently
       | made some rounds in private viewings and was donated to the
       | library of congress and has been available since last year.
       | 
       | What this guy has is workprint - someone in the production office
       | probably hastily assembled the available footage into a rough
       | draft. So it's true this could be a 1 of 1 copy but all of the
       | source material is still available.
        
         | dhosek wrote:
         | If you read the article, you would have read:
         | 
         | "The footage, which has been made available to scholars, was
         | screened last August for _The New Republic_ journalist Benjamin
         | Charles Germain Lee, who reported that the footage was
         | fragmentary and does not constitute a complete film, leading
         | the industry to conclude that the full film did not exist."
        
       | duxup wrote:
       | > The film tells the story of a German circus clown who is
       | imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp for mocking Adolf Hitler
       | and is then forced to lure children to their deaths as
       | punishment.
       | 
       | How do you pitch that?
        
         | readthenotes1 wrote:
         | 1973: Nazi cosplayers had been marching in the streets of
         | Chicago for years.
         | 
         | Nazi Germany and the Holocaust was a living memory for most
         | adults, including Mr Lewis who was Jewish.
         | 
         | How do you help people remember? By showing the horror.
         | 
         | https://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/November-2016/Chicago-N...
        
           | duxup wrote:
           | I think everything other than Nazis in general tied with it
           | is the issue.
        
         | gwervc wrote:
         | > How do you pitch that?
         | 
         | Using exactly the text you quoted. Since it's about Hitler,
         | Nazi and camps the TV channel ARTE will fund it in a heartbeat.
         | (The current top movie on arte.tv/fr/videos/cinema is "Lili
         | Marleen, un chant d'amour dans l'Allemagne nazie)
        
         | croes wrote:
         | How was ,,Life is beautiful" pitched?
        
       | DrNosferatu wrote:
       | The best publicity there is!
       | 
       | Please do post a link to the film, if it finally leaks online.
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | _he stole a complete workprint of the film from the archives of
       | its production studio in 1980 - and has been screening it for
       | guests in his apartment ever since._
       | 
       | Former 35mm projectionist here. I suspect there are a lot of old
       | stashes like this. In our booth we had a gigantic reel of old
       | 1960s and 1970s horror film trailers that previous projectionists
       | had spliced together until there was no more space on the reel.
       | We were not supposed to save trailers, but no one checked what we
       | did with them after removing them from the film reels at the end
       | of the run and returning those prints to the distributor.
       | 
       | On a quiet summer night, after the last showing had ended and the
       | customers had left, we employees would sometimes lock the doors,
       | get some snacks, and watch these old treasures from previous
       | decades spool by.
       | 
       | The trailer reel included several versions of _The Shining_
       | trailer, including one that had a slow-motion scene of blood
       | pouring from the elevator that was waaaay longer than the clip in
       | the movie (possibly from one of the alternate cameras, see
       | https://geektyrant.com/news/the-story-behind-the-infamous-bl...).
       | The reel also had some long-forgotten stinkers, including for the
       | 1966 British horror film "Psychopath" which I only remember
       | because the trailer featured an unusual song structured like a
       | nursery rhyme that I can still partially recall.
       | 
       | A corporate chain took over (Lowes) and sometime in the early
       | 1990s the theater was closed. The space is now a Staples. This
       | illicit reel, if it wasn't thrown out during the closure, is
       | probably in someone's basement. The only way to know the contents
       | is to play it, which is hard to do as not many traditional 35mm
       | projectors are still around or available for screening a 50-year-
       | old reel that might be brittle, gunky, or otherwise damage the
       | machine.
       | 
       | I've heard of similar stashes. For instance, around the same
       | time, I had friends who worked in a photo shop. They had several
       | binders of, um, special photos that they had copied from
       | customers' negatives during the on-site development process.
       | 
       | I visited this basement lair once, which was dominated by a
       | modern color processing machine. I remember flipping through one
       | of the binders. It was very, very strange stuff, like something
       | out of _Blue Velvet_.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | Were these old prints with an optical track, or was there a
         | corresponding mag reel? Listening to optical audio is a bit of
         | retro nostalgia in and of itself.
        
           | ilamont wrote:
           | Optical. AFAIK all commercial 35mm film prints used optical
           | at that time (1960s-1980s).
           | 
           | I've used 16mm film with audio on separate magnetic tape, but
           | my god was that a pain to deal with.
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | That's what I assumed. One of the post facilities I worked
             | in had multiple mag followers where the audio was recorded
             | in 2 channel pairs before ultimately getting mixed down to
             | the final mix that would be used to make that optical track
             | on a release print. At some point, for the lulz, someone
             | laid down a 5.1 mix to 3 separate 35mm mags just to
             | playback in the theater. These would all sync to the
             | projector, and would make all sorts of clunks and loud
             | noises when they'd all start playing. these were all kept
             | in sync with quartz crystals. it was the most steampunk
             | thing I had ever seen. Mind you, this was in the early/mid
             | 90s just after the first NLEs were coming out. So my mind
             | was totally blown in how it used to be done.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | Yeah, worked at a one-hour photo store when I was a teen. "Put
         | the screen down" was the signal that some "amateur stuff" was
         | about to come down the print out-feed (a kind of curtain/cover
         | would hide the prints coming out from the general public).
         | (Kind of wild that people's photos coming out of the machine
         | was something of a feature the store made readily visible to
         | the passersby in the mall where the One House Photo was
         | located. Privacy, what?)
         | 
         | And though I wasn't one of the techs that made the prints, I do
         | seem to recall they would spin off dupes for their own private
         | collection(s).
        
       | NKosmatos wrote:
       | Torrent link anyone?
        
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