[HN Gopher] The Philosophy of Byung-Chul Han (2020)
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       The Philosophy of Byung-Chul Han (2020)
        
       Author : -__---____-ZXyw
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2025-05-22 13:09 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | TimorousBestie wrote:
       | It's strange to me that this guy keeps popping up when he's had
       | maybe one actually successful book (_The Burnout Society_) in
       | twenty years. I've read _The Disappearance of Rituals_ and
       | _Shanzai_ and found them both "shallow, smoothed and filtered."
       | There's not a lot of secondary literature building on his work,
       | just another book of his popped out every couple years.
       | 
       | > If I've learnt anything from Han it's that we don't need
       | perfection, smooth lines and filters, to feel complete. We need
       | the authenticity that comes from the negative, the imperfect, the
       | hidden and the simply beautiful. Instead of falling in love with
       | ourselves, we should be falling in love with others and the
       | world, not to see ourselves in them, not to commodify them, not
       | to achieve friendship or marriage or love, but to appreciate what
       | makes them different and other.
       | 
       | This is a perplexing turn to me because _The Disappearance of
       | Rituals_ is, in large part, about how authenticity is The Problem
       | With Society and we've all lost our ability to submerge our
       | individuality in ritual-bound communities, each one homogenous in
       | some respect (the ritual itself, at least).
        
         | -__---____-ZXyw wrote:
         | I ordered The Burnout Society after seeing his name on here
         | maybe a month or so ago and thinking it looked interesting.
         | 
         | It only arrived recently, and it's very interesting so far.
         | Then when subsequently browsing a few essays about his work, I
         | came across the one I posted, which I thought was quite
         | accessible. Whether it's an accurate or fair overview, I don't
         | know, as I'm only a few chapters in to The Burnout Society. So
         | there you go, in terms of why this article got posted.
         | 
         | As to the mystery of why the HN people upvote it, we may have
         | to live with the not knowing. Generally, I'm not sure if the
         | market success of books is a totally reliable indicator of
         | whether someone is producing good or useful work or not.
        
           | TimorousBestie wrote:
           | To clarify, my metric of success is other philosophers
           | engaging with his work, not market profits (those numbers
           | aren't public anyways). I've searched around for professional
           | articles written about Han's work (beyond asides or mere
           | mentions) but they're comparatively few and far between.
        
             | -__---____-ZXyw wrote:
             | Ah ok, I had misunderstood then, excuse me. That is not
             | unreasonable at all as a metric of success.
             | 
             | When you say professional, you mean philosophical journals,
             | or what? My first thought would be the language - people
             | aren't writing much response to him in English and German
             | too? What is the situation like regarding interplay between
             | the worlds of English language and German language
             | philosophy?
             | 
             | I can see why his books might be popular with a lay
             | audience, in that they're short, and quite manageable in
             | terms of the images and sentences.
        
       | StefanBatory wrote:
       | This might be a weird question, but OP, are you by any chance The
       | Fire Rises player?
        
         | -__---____-ZXyw wrote:
         | No, I've no idea what that is. What's this now? Should I become
         | The Fire Rises player?
        
           | StefanBatory wrote:
           | A mod set in modern times for wargame Hearts of Iron, just a
           | bit more crazy. And he's a possible leader there for Germany.
           | 
           | I asked only because I was browsing their subreddit today and
           | spotted something related to him, then I opened HN and saw
           | your post. It was just a random coincidence, but curiosity
           | got me to ask anyway.
        
             | -__---____-ZXyw wrote:
             | Hmm, but who is the "him" you're referring to? Still none
             | the wiser as to what gave you the idea. I'm missing
             | something here, perhaps some jargon eludes me...
        
       | kouru225 wrote:
       | Is it just me or does pessimist philosophy just immediately
       | scream "I don't actually base my understanding in reality?"
       | 
       | Like I understand that the world is pretty depressing right now,
       | but the underlying assumption here is that our actions/beliefs
       | inherently have a particular (bad) output, and yet there doesn't
       | seem to be much analysis of the mechanics of how our
       | actions/beliefs actually manifest as this output, let alone a
       | proof of how this output is the only possible output in all
       | scenarios (or just the most likely one.) Criticism like this
       | relies on the reader to already agree for the outset, which means
       | it doesn't really have much value.
       | 
       | >Starting with love, Byung-Chul Han tells us that today we're in
       | a crisis of love. This crisis is caused by the growth of
       | narcissism and the separation between us and the other. The world
       | is increasingly appearing, not as something 'other' to us, but as
       | an innumerable number of reflections of ourselves.
       | 
       | But like... what does any of this actually mean on a mechanical
       | level? These are all buzzwords that don't have any practical
       | meaning.
       | 
       | >Why do we today find what is smooth beautiful? Beyond its
       | aesthetic effect, it reflects a general social imperative. It
       | embodies today's society of positivity. What is smooth does not
       | injure. Nor does it offer any resistance. It is looking for Like.
       | The smooth object deletes it's Against. Any form of negativity is
       | removed.
       | 
       | What mechanism proves that the abstract concept of "positivity"
       | is the problem here rather than, say, political propaganda from a
       | dominant power structure that uses a ton of energy/effort
       | reinforcing these particular beliefs?
       | 
       | I just don't find this stuff meaningful
        
         | dfadfdsmflkdsmf wrote:
         | > But like... what does any of this actually mean on a
         | mechanical level? These are all buzzwords that don't have any
         | practical meaning.
         | 
         | That's the problem with trying to address philosophy without
         | doing the work to understand what the philosopher is responding
         | to. This work will take years. These "buzzwords" have meaning
         | to those who do.
        
           | kouru225 wrote:
           | I'm familiar enough with the history of philosophy to know
           | that this article, at least, is gobbledygook marketing. Maybe
           | the philosopher isn't.
        
         | Barrin92 wrote:
         | >Is it just me or does pessimist philosophy just immediately
         | scream "I don't actually base my understanding in reality?"
         | 
         | It's just you, for two reasons. One is that Byung-Chul Han
         | isn't, and as far as I know does not consider himself, a
         | pessimist philosopher. He's a cultural critic, media theorist
         | and mostly known for being a critic of neoliberalism.
         | 
         | As far as actual pessimist philosophers, like say Schopenhauer
         | go, they generally did not base their outlook on "the world is
         | pretty depressing right now" but usually on more fundamental
         | metaphysical grounds
        
           | kouru225 wrote:
           | Well this is why I feel pretty confident in my analysis then
           | because I'm much more knowledgeable about criticism than I am
           | about philosophy and all my alarm bells are going off here.
           | When I'm reading that blurb about how Koons art affects
           | culture I'm sitting here shaking my head knowing that, while
           | it's entirely plausible that Koons affected the world that
           | way, this statement is still only scratching the surface on
           | Koons, the art world, and the history of his impact on the
           | art world
        
         | cess11 wrote:
         | These lectures, https://rickroderick.org/, are likely to help
         | you better understand what this supposed philosopher builds on,
         | though I suspect they, unlike Roderick, is a charlatan.
        
           | kouru225 wrote:
           | This site is great though. I'll definitely watch through
           | these. Thanks
        
           | -__---____-ZXyw wrote:
           | Oh thank you, I'd never heard of Rick Roderick, he looks
           | brilliant. Always thrilled to hear different accents in and
           | around academia, too!
        
       | lo_zamoyski wrote:
       | > Marshall McLuhan, who warned us that 'the medium is the
       | message'. (Technology is not just a tool, embedded within it is a
       | message.)
       | 
       | Unless this is an extraordinarily obtuse way of expressing it,
       | that's not what McLuhan wrote. He meant that the medium itself
       | shapes us.                 For the "message" of any medium or
       | technology is the change of scale or pace or pattern that it
       | introduces into human affairs. [...] it is the medium that shapes
       | and controls the scale and form of human association and action.
       | [...] Indeed, it is only too typical that the "content" of any
       | medium blinds us to the character of the medium. It is only today
       | that industries have become aware of the various kinds of
       | business in which they are engaged. [0]
       | 
       | [0] https://web.mit.edu/allanmc/www/mcluhan.mediummessage.pdf
        
         | -__---____-ZXyw wrote:
         | Funny, I said something similar at that parenthetical remark. I
         | thought to myself - oh, it was only a little remark, no-one
         | will catch it! So I'm a bit thrilled, the careful readers are
         | still out there.
         | 
         | Absolutely, to what you're saying, and I think it's another of
         | those cases where often people know the "meme" (about the
         | medium being the message), but then haven't the first idea what
         | it means - unfortunately. For example, with smartphones, the
         | message is humans as silent consuming spectators and fans -
         | sitting silently, staring, swiping, scrolling, mildly stressed
         | and agitated and worked up sometimes even but not wholly aware
         | of it, maybe mumbling something to whoever is around every now
         | and again.
        
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