[HN Gopher] The Great Displacement Is Already Well Underway
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       The Great Displacement Is Already Well Underway
        
       Author : JSLegendDev
       Score  : 40 points
       Date   : 2025-05-12 14:32 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | adamc wrote:
       | We need a solution to stuff like this. Unfortunately, right now
       | we seem to be cutting everything in sight to help the rich, so...
       | I don't see that help or hope on the horizon.
       | 
       | Stuff of nightmares.
        
       | Arnt wrote:
       | PHP is his only language, right? He's in the same situation as
       | Perl-only developers a couple of decades ago.
        
         | mnky9800n wrote:
         | Yeah i feel like this guy posts a lot of doomer stuff and it
         | isn't as introspective as it could be. i also feel like posting
         | doomer stuff is popular and so he is trying to monetize the
         | doomer mentality. That leads me to kind of think what he says
         | has less value because i just see any kind of monetization
         | scheme like that as a somewhat implicit bias to whatever is
         | being said. you can't be anti-doomer if you make money on your
         | substack talking about doomer ideas. but also, i feel bad for
         | the guy he lost his job that had a nice salary and didn't find
         | a new one. that must suck. But then I wonder, is that exactly
         | what he is trying to capitalize on? And then you must think, is
         | this what the world has become now that everything is
         | commoditized and we are all part of the Attention economy? Is
         | everyone trying to make money on everything and thus no one is
         | really to be believed about anything? That's one reason why i
         | deleted most social media. It all became a grift and none of it
         | had anything to do with being social.
        
           | bizzyskillet wrote:
           | Damn, the last part of this comment was such an epiphany,
           | thank you!
        
           | ramity wrote:
           | I've been off socials and on forums for 8+ years now for the
           | same reason. I share similar sentiment as Bizzy's sibling
           | reply. I say these things because lately I've been thinking
           | about lot about dead internet theory and how strongly some
           | believe it.
           | 
           | One of the most profound realizations I've had lately is that
           | the perception of the medium of communication itself is a
           | well that can be poisoned with artificial interactions. Major
           | empahsis on perception. The meer presence of artifical can
           | immediately taint real interactions; you don't need a
           | majority to poison the well.
           | 
           | How many spam calls does it take for you to presume spam? How
           | many linkedin autoreply ai comments does it take to presume
           | all comments are ai? How many emails before you immediately
           | presume phishing? How many rage baiting social posts do you
           | need to see before you believe the entire site is composed of
           | synthetic engagement? How many tinder bots do you need to
           | interact with before you feel the entire app is dead? How
           | many autodeny job application responses until you assume the
           | next one is a ghost job posting? How many interactions with
           | greedy people does it take to presume that it's human nature?
        
         | turtleyacht wrote:
         | Not only PHP: "modern technologies I've gone on to learn and be
         | experienced with in more recent years."
         | 
         | Although, there's a Lisp-inspired PHP called Phel:
         | https://phel-lang.org/
         | 
         | And PHP typing with version 7.4.0:
         | https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.declarations.ph...
        
           | Arnt wrote:
           | PHP isn't terrible any more. Necessarily, anyway. I wrote a
           | PR for Symfony last year, it was quite a nice experience.
           | 
           | But if the only language he posts about is PHP, I think the
           | source if his hiring problems is clear.
        
             | burnt-resistor wrote:
             | s/PHP/PHP 7 or Hack\/HHVM/
        
       | uberman wrote:
       | I feel terrible for this guy, but he really has stacked the deck
       | against himself by moving to a rural area and refusing (or being
       | unable) to work "on-site". He is up against every new grad and
       | every laid off FAANG programmer clinging to the notion that they
       | should be able to work remotely. To be clear, I'm a huge
       | proponent of remote work but I recognize that many power dynamics
       | have shifted in the last few years.
       | 
       | I could offer a number of critiques about things but instead,
       | I'll encourage him to go back and un-delete his AI vlog content
       | as even if he feels the ground has moved, I would likely find his
       | interest in this topic as a positive thing. I would also
       | recommend he move his tech vlogs to someplace where the topic was
       | the focus rather than blending it into other important parts of
       | his life.
        
       | tetris11 wrote:
       | what exactly are we transitioning to, economy wise? If it's
       | techno-feudalism, what do the peasant's actually do when they're
       | not needed?
        
         | rightbyte wrote:
         | It's a little weird living in a small trailer when I'm a
         | homeowner, in fact I own three houses
         | 
         | He owns properties [edit: Missread the place]. I think he is
         | fine.
        
           | fvrghl wrote:
           | Not NY, NY:
           | 
           | "in fact I own three houses: A fixer-upper starter home in a
           | rust belt upstate New York university city, and a patch of
           | beautiful remote rural land with 2 pretty humble and simple
           | cabins on it an hour from the city house"
        
             | rightbyte wrote:
             | Oh ye read the piece a bit too fast.
        
         | 42lux wrote:
         | Using hands for other things than typing...
        
       | YeGoblynQueenne wrote:
       | I don't think the author's troubles have anything to do with AI,
       | other than making it harder to get an interview. He seems to get
       | a few of those. I think the real problem he has is... well, the
       | meaning of life, i.e. 42.
       | 
       | He's a 42 year old dude. Looking for a job in software? You gotta
       | be joking. He says he can't clear the 25-year old Steve-Jobs
       | complex SV bro mini-boss. Well, duh.
       | 
       | That's the industry. It sucks you up and it spits you out. It
       | vampires the best years of your life and then you're on your own.
       | 
       | Sorry that the author had to find out, but I think I've seen that
       | coming from the day I was first employed as a junior engineer. I
       | just averaged up the ages of my colleagues and it was blindingly
       | obvious how things turn out in the long run.
       | 
       | Nor "AI" as in "Artificial Intelligence", but "AI" as in "Ageist
       | Industry".
       | 
       | P.S. Look on the bright side: at least you're not a 42 year old
       | woman looking for software jobs. Hah.
        
         | tjohns wrote:
         | > He's a 42 year old dude. Looking for a job in software? You
         | gotta be joking.
         | 
         | This is such an odd take. I see lots of older folks around me -
         | and 42 isn't that old.
         | 
         | That said, it's undeniably true that expectations are raised
         | the further along in your career you are. Interviewers will
         | accept mistakes from a fresh college grad that they won't
         | accept from an engineer with 20 years of industry experience
         | who should know better (and is paid more). Not to mention
         | there's just statistically fewer openings for TL positions. All
         | of that definitely makes interviews harder as you're further
         | along in your career.
        
         | popularonion wrote:
         | Eh, back when I got my first software engineer job at $BIGCORP
         | 20 years ago, I was almost always the only one in the room
         | younger than 40. Not being a web dev was the key, of course.
        
         | goldchainposse wrote:
         | Some quotes stood out to me
         | 
         | > ...in fact I own three houses
         | 
         | > ...I left behind everything and everyone i know and love on
         | the west coast to come to New York specifically for this
         | opportunity of helping care for my family and growing long term
         | equity with real estate
         | 
         | > With my full time engineering job bringing in around $150k, a
         | salary that I clawed my way slowly and steadily for 20 years, I
         | could just about manage covering all the expenses, maintenance,
         | and planned improvements for the long-term vision of the
         | properties, maintain my 16-year-old daily driver car, and maybe
         | even have four or five thousand dollars left over each year to
         | take one little camping trip and make a couple stock and crypto
         | investments.
         | 
         | Rather than building a career as a software engineer, he spent
         | most of his time as a small-time real estate and crypto(!)
         | investor subsidized by his software engineering side hustle.
        
           | sidewndr46 wrote:
           | lumping in a camping trip with investments is odd. A camping
           | trip might cost very nearly zero dollars, depending on
           | distance and what I have available. We'll be generous here
           | and assume $100 was spent for some reason. That $100 is
           | expended, you don't get it back.
           | 
           | A stock investment might "cost" $4000, but I would hope to
           | have nearly $4000 in some asset. My absolute worst
           | investments, I typically still exited them with 40% of my
           | initial capital.
        
         | smackeyacky wrote:
         | > I don't think the author's troubles have anything to do with
         | AI, other than making it harder to get an interview.
         | 
         | The industry is ageist, but not "900 applications and 3
         | interviews" ageist. The big problem here is the concentration
         | on remote work. I'm quite a bit older than this guy, quit a job
         | earlier this year and went looking for work again only to find
         | that "ooh, dream job, remote, nice little pay bump" were the
         | jobs that got swamped with 1000 applicants.
         | 
         | He's simply going to have to move closer to where office based
         | jobs are, suck up the commute for a while and when they have
         | more confidence they'll let him work remote after a while.
         | 
         | Most of the jobs are likely getting swamped by AI generated
         | applications, by overseas candidates and by every chancer who
         | hates their current job.
         | 
         | In the current job market, there is absolutely no substitute
         | for leaning on your personal network. It's the only real way to
         | compete against AI and foreign workers. So that means, to give
         | yourself options in a job you don't like, maintaining that
         | personal network is absolutely essential. Instead of wasting
         | the effort on 900 job applications after you quit or get fired,
         | concentrate on reinforcing those connections whether you need
         | them or not.
         | 
         | edit: I had my choice of jobs after a small wait, purely
         | through people I know personally.
        
       | fullstackchris wrote:
       | Somehow it's ironic that this post is about AI replacing jobs and
       | yet when I click the "accept all" option for cookies, the page
       | reloads and shows the banner again :)
       | 
       | Where are the all knowing AI bots who are going to fix this?
        
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