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A Typical Workday at a Japanese Hardware Tool Store [video]
Author : Erikun
Score : 128 points
Date : 2025-05-10 10:18 UTC (2 days ago)
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| nervousvarun wrote:
| Longtime Paolo fan, he does a great job with his "typical
| workday" series.
|
| Not sure of the exact number he's done, but I personally estimate
| I've watched at least 20-25 of these across a wide range of
| industries (majority are in food preparation/service but he also
| covers construction, tech, animation, airlines, education,
| politics, and many more) and if there's one overriding takeaway
| it's the Japanese as a culture are extremely committed to
| maximizing product quality.
|
| It could be selection bias (maybe he only films exemplary people)
| but it doesn't seem to matter if you're dealing with someone
| preparing food, fighting fires, or delivering packages these
| people seem to really care about the overall quality of the
| service or product they provide.
|
| A few others worth watching:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0RX59G2jaA (movers...as someone
| who only has experience with American movers this is ridiculously
| better than what I experienced)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8A_Hu_WqeQ (package delivery
| worker)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsLFm5SSJyQ (politician)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjCzavpZoZI (fire fighter)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCPZzEbhNJw (anime director)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4UxbDgGhc (car repair shop
| worker)
|
| Honestly if you like any of these you'll likely find they're all
| worth watching.
| lawgimenez wrote:
| My favorite episode is this [1], the owner is very unique in a
| way that he is a rare collector of hardcore punk CDs/vinyl.
|
| [1] https://youtu.be/ky0YDKvGggo
| terhechte wrote:
| I'm also a huge fan. Started watching him after a Japan trip. I
| like the format so much, I'd love to have something similar
| (day in the life) for various other countries.
| hbn wrote:
| His videos are well produced and I've watched quite a few of
| them, but it always weirded me out how much he says "Japanese"
| like he's figured out the algorithm will favor him more if it
| detects he's saying that a lot
|
| Go to any of his videos with his wife, he'll consistently refer
| to her as "my Japanese wife"
| bitwize wrote:
| Hey, those weeb eyeballs can translate into good money.
| y-curious wrote:
| Well the wife bit is probably to explain that she's part of
| the culture. If his wife was, say, French, it wouldn't really
| make sense why he's explaining what she does.
| babyent wrote:
| It's not surprising. They have a strong cultural identity and
| their whole country is far nicer and cleaner than any country
| I've been to.
|
| Most immigrants here (I live in SF) are to be completely
| honest, not from very strong cultural identities. I'm an
| immigrant too, and my own people aren't that strong with their
| cultural identities. After all, we GTFO'd the moment we or our
| parents could. Whenever I've been back I hated the filth and
| pollution everywhere, and the lack of care considering the
| litter and trash everywhere. It's gross and sad.
|
| Japanese people are happy with their culture on a broader
| level. I'm sure they have their problems too. Everyone does.
|
| When I visited Japan I was so blown away by how proper and
| organized people were. It inspired me to live a more organized
| life. I went all over in both cities and rural areas, never saw
| trash. People were kind even with the language barrier. Even
| their homeless (they only have like 20k total) were polite and
| organized.
| ok_dad wrote:
| In a collective culture like Japan, you take care of your
| responsibilities yourself to improve the collective good.
| It's basically the opposite of the tragedy of the commons in
| individualistic cultures, IMO.
|
| The nail that sticks out gets hammered not because of a
| requirement that you conform, but because you're not doing
| your responsibilities, so someone else has to do it.
|
| America is much more conformist than Japan, it's just than in
| Japan you'll work a mediocre job and enjoy it because that's
| your role and you appreciate that you're a part of a whole.
| Whereas in America you might be able to theoretically do
| "better", but there's no safety.
| latentsea wrote:
| > The nail that sticks out gets hammered not because of a
| requirement that you conform, but because you're not doing
| your responsibilities, so someone else has to do it.
|
| Unfortunately, in practice it's ingrained by a tonne of
| instances of getting told off for minor infractions of
| seemingly very arbitrary rules, to the point where it's so
| ingrained that you just stop questioning it because it's
| not worth the energy to do so anymore.
| 7thaccount wrote:
| The video where he interviews a lawyer on the Japanese "guilty
| until proven innocent" legal system was pretty scary if I'm
| being honest.
|
| They apparently try to force a confession even if you're
| innocent as the alternative is to basically let you stay in
| jail for up to 23 days per infraction. There is no bail and
| they interrogate you without a lawyer present (lawyer not
| allowed). It's honestly made me second guess traveling there as
| a foreigner. I'm incredibly respectful of other cultures, but
| would be scared something weird would happen and I'd somehow
| disappear into that administrative nightmare. You can't even
| talk to your family until that period is over, so you just roll
| the dice and hope confessing gets you a slap on the wrist.
|
| On the plus side, I know the cities are supposed to be super
| safe.
| chris_st wrote:
| The kindest of interviewers.
| aredox wrote:
| NHK World is full of such interviews and documentaries:
|
| https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/programs/
|
| Highly recommended - even live (no ads).
| Calwestjobs wrote:
| Excellent example how population density can make even
| reuse/second hand markets viable.
| nemomarx wrote:
| Population density and I believe relatively business friendly
| zoning to make it easier to be close to apartments and etc?
| mitthrowaway2 wrote:
| Reuse and repair is also encouraged by having relatively more
| expensive, high quality but lower-production-quantity goods.
| When it costs less to buy something new, more gets discarded.
| jandrese wrote:
| It's hard to ignore the labor costs to repair things like
| hand tools. For someone doing it for themselves it's not an
| issue, but when it is your day job it can be a lot harder to
| do the repairs without driving the price of the tool beyond
| the cost of a new one. Not if you want to keep current on the
| rent and have money for groceries.
|
| As the price of goods drop you will observe the subsequent
| decline of repair shops for said good. TV repair shops used
| to be in every medium size and larger city. They are now
| extinct. Vacuum cleaner repair only exists for specialty
| brands. Computer repair is sometimes a side business but it's
| also dying out. Cell phone repair is still a thing, but
| mostly because screens break a lot and batteries are wear
| items so there is at least a good volume of customers.
| Appliance repair is still a thing, but the spare parts
| situation has gotten so bad that even they tend to be closing
| shop.
|
| Cheap goods kill repair industries.
| rightbyte wrote:
| I would guess that low yield businesses per storage area is
| more viable in sparsely populated areas?
| potato3732842 wrote:
| We have a used tool store like this near where I live. While
| technically being within city limits of the county seat it's
| located in the kind of population density that HN turns up its
| nose at for being unsustainable. But it's fairly easy to get to
| off a couple major highways so in practice it's more accessible
| to the kind of people who tend to need rebar tying guns and
| chain come alongs than it would be if it were downtown. It's
| possible it couldn't even exist downtown because its inventory
| might not turn over fast enough to pay the rent.
| obelos wrote:
| Also nationalized control of healthcare costs.
| ape4 wrote:
| You can see how those workers would have a good job satisfaction.
| TrackerFF wrote:
| Paolo has a bunch of cool vids on this topic, I've watched them
| all. I binged through them for hours when I first discovered the
| channel...my initial reaction was: Damn how long people in Japan
| work. Most people seemingly woke up, went to work, went out to
| eat and drink, and then get maybe a couple of hours at home
| before it all repeats.
|
| But on the other side of the spectrum, you have:
| https://www.youtube.com/@salarymantokyo
| philosophty wrote:
| The most interesting part of this video to me is when the repair
| guy with 20 years of experience says tool quality has improved
| over time.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| I have used some hand-me-down tools from my father and recently
| bought new tools. I don't have 20 years experience, so take my
| opinion for what it is worth, but I concur with the repair guy.
| potato3732842 wrote:
| Pick up anything with a power cord or a battery from 2000 or
| 1980 and it becomes pretty obvious.
| tristor wrote:
| Tool quality has definitely improved over time, but... and this
| is a big but... many people buy lower quality tools now than
| were available previously because of their low cost. I would
| put any of my Japanese or German/Czech hand tools up against
| any of the big brands of the past (many of which I also own
| thanks to yard/garage sales) and say they're better, not just
| from an ergonomics and design perspective but from an actual
| strength/reliability perspective. Most people, at least in the
| US, though are only familiar with low-quality China/Taiwan made
| tools which have lower quality metals and a lot of plastic
| content when it comes to hand tools.
|
| If you invest a bit of effort into finding good hand tools, the
| options are much better these days but you have to be willing
| to pay.
| haiku2077 wrote:
| On the flip side, the cheap tools are great when I need to
| use a tool rarely- sometimes once.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| What was so interesting about that? Seems so obvious as to be
| mundane to me, so I'm curious as to what I could be missing.
| pinkmuffinere wrote:
| It is a very common gripe that items have decreased in
| quality compared to some 'golden era' in the past. You've
| likely heard somebody say "They don't make 'em like they used
| to!" I think the parent comment is saying it's interesting to
| hear a technician say quality has _increased_, because the
| opposite complaint is so stereotypically common.
| aaronbaugher wrote:
| That may be true overall, but it depends on the tool. I've
| bought a lot of my tools for a few bucks at farm and estate
| auctions. I have two large Craftsman adjustable wrenches. The
| older one, made in the US, is heavier and there's a lot less
| play in the mechanism, so it's the one I reach for first.
| That's been typical for me.
|
| Generally, newer tools are lighter, which is nice when you're
| carrying them around, but sometimes it means they're more
| fragile. I have a 1955 McCulloch chainsaw, and it's a beast,
| must weigh 40 pounds and have about 200 parts in it. The carb
| is a complicated thing with a lot of moving parts, and there's
| a gearbox between the engine and the chain. But I bought it for
| $12, cleaned it up a little, got a stuck part in the carb
| unstuck, and it started. Not bad for a 70-year-old piece of
| equipment that looked like it'd been gathering dust for years.
|
| My 2024 Stihl is a much better saw. It's far lighter, which is
| important when you're carrying it all day. It's much simpler,
| with fewer things that can go wrong with it. It runs higher
| RPMs, so it cuts wood faster. But there's enough plastic in it
| that there's no way it's going to be around in 70 years. I'll
| be happy if I get 10 out of it.
|
| The ideal would be the design quality of the Stihl, with all
| the legitimate improvements they've made over the decades, with
| the materials quality and manufacturing care of the McCulloch.
| That combination is probably available in a high-end line, just
| not at consumer prices.
| bityard wrote:
| Man, I would love it if this kind of thing existed in the US.
| Unfortunately, shopping for used or refurbished products is
| increasingly seen less as something smart people do and more as
| something "poor people" do. I've heard more than one co-worker or
| family member refer to buying pre-owned goods as "buying someone
| else's problem."
|
| The closest thing we have around here to a used tool store would
| be thrift shops that maybe have one broken drill, pawn shops with
| varying degrees of sketchiness, or rolling the dice on eBay.
| Loughla wrote:
| I've never had a problem with used tools on eBay. If the seller
| isn't absurdly correct in their posting, eBay will take your
| side.
|
| The only thing that has ever gone wrong on eBay for me was when
| a seller claimed I didn't return an expensive item that the
| regular price had dropped on by the original company (he was
| selling multiple of this item that was now $200 less than his
| asking price from the main supplier website). He was going to
| eat a couple hundred dollars so he tried to screw me over.
|
| I sent pictures and videos of me packaging and mailing the item
| to eBay and got my refund. They didn't let me review the
| seller, though. It would've been an amazing review of that
| human turd.
| FireBeyond wrote:
| eBay let someone scam me out of $700.
|
| I sold a Mavic 2 Pro drone with 5 batteries. The whole
| process was a mess. Scammer initially complained that it
| didn't come with the CrystalSky tablet in one picture (that
| was only added AFTER after start of bidding BY the scammer,
| to show Flight Logs, andwas explicitly disclaimed as not
| being a part of the package, nor was it in the receipts I
| sent the buyer). After pointing out those details, silence.
|
| Then, three weeks later:
|
| "The batteries don't work. I want a refund."
|
| "Batteries? Any of them? All of them?"
|
| "All of them, none work. I want a refund."
|
| Note that two of the batteries were less than 4 months old,
| still in warranty.
|
| He then stated he wanted a refund of $800. Realize that five
| brand-new batteries would only be $670.
|
| No evidence was shown, despite multiple requests (like a
| video of a battery on a charger, or on the drone, failing to
| power up). I stated I'd like to get the original batteries
| back, as at least I'd be able to get them replaced under
| warranty or possibly repaired and recoup some of my money (I
| was skeptical there was -any- issue, but still, good faith).
| He "happily" agreed. I asked him to send me a message on eBay
| (so it was tracked and not avoiding their system)
| acknowledging that offering a partial refund was contingent
| on his sending me the batteries back and that he accepts me
| disputing the refund if not.
|
| He sends a message indicating all of the above.
|
| Refund is sent (for about $700, to include his return
| shipping costs).
|
| Thirty-five minutes later, I get a message, "USPS says they
| don't ship damaged batteries, so I will not be returning
| them". (35 minutes? So what, you sat around waiting for the
| refund, and then the moment I sent the money, you jumped in
| your car, got to the post office, had this discussion, got
| home, and were able to send me this message? When your home
| address shows you about 15 minutes from the nearest post
| office?)
|
| I then suggest we meet in person to exchange them (I live a
| few hours away, not convenient, but still, $700...). He umms
| and ahhs, "How will I be able to prove that I gave them to
| you in person?". I suggest we do it in a police station and
| point out that his local PD even welcomes people to use their
| lobby for CL, etc. on their website. More umms and ahhs. "I
| need to contact eBay support to see if they allow this." I
| point him to eBay's specific FAQ page describing exactly this
| and how they recommend doing in person sales, and refunds,
| documentation thereof, and how they support it. But he
| ignores that and says, "I never heard back from eBay support,
| so I'm not sure what to do". I point this page out again, and
| he goes silent.
|
| I opened a dispute. No evidence was provided for damage or
| faulty goods, referenced the multiple requests for video, or
| of anything.) Multiple instances of the buyer trying to show
| something was problematic with the listing, not abiding by
| the agreement and refusing/avoiding any method of returning
| damaged items.
|
| Overnight, no further inquiries.
|
| "We have closed your dispute. Based on our review, the buyer
| is entitled to keep the partial refund for damage. He is also
| not required to return the damaged items".
|
| So he ended up with a Mavic 2 Pro, with less than 20 hours
| flight time, 5 batteries, for in the order of $950, all told.
| bityard wrote:
| That sucks. I've been selling things on eBay for... longer
| than I care say out loud but I've read enough horror
| stories that I don't think I could get the nerve to sell
| anything high-priced for fear that I would get scammed by a
| "professional buyer" like you did. They know eBay's rules
| and how to work within them to get what they want.
| Unfortunately, as a seller you have to know the rules as
| well as they do (or better) to keep the scam from working,
| and even that is not always a guarantee.
|
| When there is a dispute or request for a refund, as a
| seller, the hardest part is knowing the correction action
| to take when these things happen. If you do the wrong
| thing, or do the right things in the wrong order, you
| unknowingly paint yourself into a corner. You basically
| have to be your own "ebay rules lawyer" and read _all_ the
| docs and policies (some of which are hard to find) as well
| as discussion threads.
|
| One of the big things I do to defend myself against scammer
| buyers is I make it clear that I don't offer partial
| refunds, only full product returns where return shipping is
| (initially) at the buyer's expense and the shipping is
| reimbursed ONLY if the item is received by me in good
| condition. This isn't 100% protection against the kind of
| scam you encountered, but it's been effective for me so
| far.
| neilv wrote:
| An additional trick for handling some kinds of suspected
| scam eBay buyer problem reports, which has worked for me
| multiple times...
|
| I ask the buyer to double-check, saying that if there's
| still a problem, I'll refund their money and ask the
| Postal Inspector to investigate how the problem could've
| happened.
|
| Whether it works because the person is sure to go and
| double-check, and thereby realizes an honest mistake, or
| because the complaint wasn't honest to begin with, I can
| only guess.
| triceratops wrote:
| I never ever sell anything online for this reason. In-
| person only, cash in hand or GTFO.
| phonon wrote:
| You could still go to small claims court!
| oldandboring wrote:
| > refer to buying pre-owned goods as "buying someone else's
| problem."
|
| I suppose this is true enough, in terms of risk, when you're
| talking about yard sales etc. But I'm perfectly comfortable
| buying from places that screen, test, and possibly even
| refurbish the incoming inventory before reselling it. I've
| bought many cell phones from resellers like this online, and I
| find that pawn and thift shops generally do a good job at this.
| 0_____0 wrote:
| I don't think that the 'shiny object' allure applies to
| industrial tools to the same degree as with consumer goods.
| Every machine shop I've ever been in, save for maybe a couple,
| is stuffed with used machine tools, plenty of them older than
| anyone who works there.
|
| There's a healthy market for machine tools at auction, they're
| just not things your typical homegamer would need/want/be able
| to use (example: $200 for a 240/3ph drill press)
| tartuffe78 wrote:
| I've been finding lots of good used tools on Facebook
| Marketplace. I've bought a handheld belt sander, a circular
| saw, clamps, and more without anyone scamming me or giving me a
| broken tools.
| koverstreet wrote:
| > I've heard more than one co-worker or family member refer to
| buying pre-owned goods as "buying someone else's problem."
|
| Well, there are lots of people with more money than
| intelligence. Knowing how to evaluate purchases for quality is
| a basic life skill, if you always buy whatever's available
| brand new you'll get taken.
|
| People like that tend to be fairly helpless as soon as they're
| outside of where they feel comfortable.
| sybercecurity wrote:
| That sentiment isn't shared across the whole of the US. One
| area is in kid stuff. Thrift/secondhand stores selling
| baby/small child clothes are very common in most suburbs. Kids
| outgrow stuff very quickly so a lot of parents go to stores
| that specialize in baby clothes, toys, and various stuff. New
| designer kid's clothes are mostly bought by grandparents or
| first time parents. There are some stores the specialize in
| secondhand sports equipment too - so parents can have a trial
| run to see if their kid really likes a new sport before
| investing in it.
|
| Online marketplaces seem to dominate the secondhand market in
| the US though. Or there is a storefront but also has a big
| online presence.
| bityard wrote:
| By "this kind of thing" I specifically meant the subject of
| the video: tool stores. Used clothing stores are all over and
| account for 90% or more of the floor space of most thrift
| shops. In my area, there are even facebook groups for people
| to give away their unwated clothes for free. Haven't found
| any of those for tools, though.
| alnwlsn wrote:
| I think this might be because once you have a tool, you
| either use it forever or until it breaks, and don't sell it
| in a good enough condition that it would be worth anything.
| My dad's circular saw, which he found in the trash 40 years
| ago, will probably last the rest of his life and all of my
| life.
|
| Used tools are dirty, oily, and heavy. That's why my shop
| is outfitted with a lot of estate sale finds. Old people
| croak, and their next of kin don't want to move a half ton
| of steel (even to the thrift shop, who also doesn't want to
| move them around their store), so it ends up in the hands
| of people like me for near scrap prices.
| sumtechguy wrote:
| As someone looking for a piano. It seems to be the same
| there. Prices from 'get this thing away from me' to 'care
| to take out a small 50k loan?'.
| ElevenLathe wrote:
| At least in my part of the US (midwest), estate sales are
| the best place to find old tools. People hold onto them
| until they die, but then you can buy them! estatesales.net
| (no affiliation, just a user) lists the vast majority of
| them, and usually even has pictures of what is for sale
| that you can scroll through before actually going. I've
| gotten a lot of insane deals on tools this way -- just
| recently bought a vintage (good quality, perfect working
| order) 10inch wood bandsaw for $20!.
| bombcar wrote:
| These are so hit and miss - sometimes they're just
| everything is incredibly overpriced and sometimes if you
| show up late, you get an entire garage tools for less
| than the scrap value of the metal.
| bityard wrote:
| Hah. There was an estate sale in my neighborhood last
| summer. Quite a few tools in the garage that I was
| interested in but the prices were crazy. 30-50 year-old
| tools priced the same as brand-new. Even asking 50% off
| would be been too much for a lot of the stuff. I asked if
| they would take X for something and the guy said, "we're
| not doing any discounts, everything is as marked."
|
| Walked back to my car shaking my head. Guess they didn't
| want to actually sell anything.
| aaronbaugher wrote:
| Yep. I'm in the Midwest too. I paid $15 for my chop saw,
| and it's a lot nicer one than I would have bought new. My
| table saw cost $6, probably because the plug on the end
| of the power cord was gone. New plug for $3, and it's
| fine. Handheld tools like circular saws and drills
| typically go for $3-5.
|
| I get a dud once in a while, but at those prices, I still
| end up way ahead overall.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| that, and thrift has been utterly destroyed by resellers.
| thrift stores now have to raise their prices on whatever crap
| hasn't been picked out by resellers already. thrift shopping
| used to be a lot more like going to yard/estate sales but now
| almost everything left is just the absolute bottom of the
| barrel, and anything that isn't is so expensive you might as
| well buy new.
| kcb wrote:
| At my local thrift store I recently saw someone come in with
| full gear, like a barcode scanner on their fingertip and a
| phone mounted on their wrist. They scan and price out
| everything with a barcode. It's pretty bizarre.
| bombcar wrote:
| We need shipping costs to go up 10 times what they currently
| are. It would solve a lot of problems.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| Speak for yourself, sure, and maybe your coworker or family,
| but not an entire country. Tool libraries and used shops exist
| in a lot of places in the US. The fact that you don't have nice
| tools in local thrift shops is as much a sign that the people
| in your community hold onto, take care of, share and/or repair
| their tools as anything else.
| archarios wrote:
| There are also tool lending libraries in some areas. I love
| mine <3
| pinkmuffinere wrote:
| This is such a shame to hear. I buy almost all my large
| electronics used (laptop / cellphone), used vehicles are often
| a steal, I love used clothes, recently looked into buying a
| used suit (but I found a comparable quality new suit for less),
| I'll even by mattresses/bedding/furniture used if it's coming
| from a friend (so I can confirm I won't get bed bugs). I don't
| know what my point is here, I guess just that used stuff is
| soooooo good for the price.
| blacksmith_tb wrote:
| That's a shame, many US metros have a Habitat for Humanity
| ReStore[1], I volunteer at one, which certainly does have used
| hand and power tools, some pretty beat, others just fine (the
| obviously busted ones that are donated get broken down for
| recycling).
|
| 1: https://www.habitat.org/restores
| bityard wrote:
| I wonder if they vary in quality by location? I've stopped
| into ours at least a half-dozen times and never found
| anything interesting.
|
| We _used_ to have a warehouse-sized second-chance store for
| home items and building materials. It was run by the city and
| all items were donated. Prices on most everything was very
| reasonable and all the funds went towards running the store
| and maintaining the city's other recycling programs. It was
| great. Every time I went in there, I came out with something
| awesome and only a slightly lighter wallet. (Generally tools
| or lumber.) Unfortunately, they shut it down at the start of
| COVID for unclear reasons and never reopened.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > I've heard more than one co-worker or family member refer to
| buying pre-owned goods as "buying someone else's problem."
|
| Well, products just aren't built to last these days. Just take
| electronic devices... for phones, if it's not an iPhone and
| maybe a flagship Samsung, after two years the resale value
| isn't much because it's either bent and scratched to hell or it
| won't get any more software update. For laptops it's just the
| same. After 2-3 years, unless it's Apple, usually the battery
| is shot, the hinges are worn out and the plastic body next to
| the touchpad is as discolored as the keyboard is.
|
| Cars are also pretty bad. It's either "buy a new car and risk a
| lemon" or "buy an used car and pay the difference to a new car
| in repair costs", and on top of that the second-hand car market
| is pretty dead. You can't do much in terms of repair yourself
| any more on any car younger than 10-15 years when cars started
| to be hyper-crash-optimized computers on wheels, with a
| shrunken chemical factory attached to the exhaust port.
|
| Furniture, even worse. Almost nothing is made from real raw cut
| lumber any more for weight and cost reasons, it's all sawdust
| and glue... or in IKEA's newest trend, _cardboard_.
|
| Clothing for adults, that's the worst, the fast
| fashion/shein/... crap completely tanked the market. The stuff
| that you get offered is falling apart after maybe two washes.
|
| The places where second hand still rocks are the ones where
| either the market is slooow moving (ham radios) or baby stuff
| because babies grow out of stuff and need new stuff so fast
| that it doesn't really make sense.
| neilv wrote:
| Yard sales?
|
| If you find some old commercial grade tools (like a general
| contractor might've bought decades ago), the ones I've used are
| built like tanks, and a given one probably works fine.
| geoffbp wrote:
| Nice. Thanks for sharing!
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