[HN Gopher] US Copyright Office: Generative AI Training [pdf]
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US Copyright Office: Generative AI Training [pdf]
Author : dave1629
Score : 16 points
Date : 2025-05-11 16:49 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.copyright.gov)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.copyright.gov)
| dave1629 wrote:
| From the Conclusion: "In applying current law, we conclude that
| several stages in the development of generative AI involve using
| copyrighted works in ways that implicate the owners' exclusive
| rights. The key question, as most commenters agreed, is whether
| those acts of prima facie infringement can be excused as fair
| use. ... But making commercial use of vast troves of copyrighted
| works to produce expressive content that competes with them in
| existing markets, especially where this is accomplished through
| illegal access, goes beyond established fair use boundaries. ...
| These groundbreaking technologies should benefit both the
| innovators who design them and the creators whose content fuels
| them, as well as the general public."
| yieldcrv wrote:
| So many issues with that, the copyright office doesn't police
| access, which involves consuming, the copyright office polices
| distributing.
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| So then for them to determine fair use, they need the
| department of justice involved to say the access was illegal?
| since when. just to highlight the absurdity. "Illegal" meaning
| a terms of service violation despite the fact that everyone
| using the service can consume copyrighted works? This circles
| back to the now paradoxical issue about it not being copyright
| infringement to consume, but requires policing the terms of
| service by the copyright office which is impossible.
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| This is too paradoxical to even entertain, but thats why the
| office led with "current law", because it is completely
| unaccommodating to a real social problem. A lot of artists and
| people are uncomfortable with the current law, and generative
| AI. New law could patch this except:
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| Artists don't actually like the generative AI that isn't
| trained on copyrighted works either.
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| The laws are going to change too slow and there are already
| models that fulfill the high bar that detractors started with.
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| New works that were specifically licensed for use in AI
| training and compensated.
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| The outcome is still the same. More people can express
| themselves. People with years of discipline are no longer
| needed.
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| By the time any law could actually address noncompliant models
| - to this new imagined standard - compliant models will already
| have obsoleted the same trade.
| momothereal wrote:
| The head of the US Copyright Office has since been fired:
| https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-fires-director-of-u-s-cop...
| yieldcrv wrote:
| pwned. so Elon's $300 million to have unfettered control of the
| state. aspirational
| adt wrote:
| Part 1 (replicas) https://copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-
| Artificial-Intelligen...
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| Part 2 (copyrightability) https://copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-
| Artificial-Intelligen...
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| Part 3 (GenAI training) https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-
| and-Artificial-Intell...
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| Analysis in previous and upcoming editions of The Memo:
| https://lifearchitect.ai/memo/
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