[HN Gopher] Future Chips Will Be Hotter Than Ever
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Future Chips Will Be Hotter Than Ever
Author : voxadam
Score : 20 points
Date : 2025-04-16 14:36 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Pentium 4, GeForce FX 5800, PS3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, MacBook
| 20??-2019: _" First time?"_
| TMWNN wrote:
| _mfw you forget AMD Thunderbird_
|
| Sometimes the solution is worse than the problem. My favorite
| example is the TRS-80 Model II and its descendants, with the
| combination of the fan and disk drives so loud that users
| experience physical discomfort.
| <https://archive.org/details/80-microcomputing-
| magazine-1983-...>
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Modern computers should come with built in haptic and rumble
| motors that can emulate HDD, FDD and CD-ROM sounds whenever
| you start a game or app. Change my mind.
| TMWNN wrote:
| <https://tryklack.com/>
|
| But this only simulates keyboard and mouse click sounds. In
| any case, you wrote "whenever you _start_ a game or app "
| (my emphasis). The Model II's fan _and drive_ noises are
| 100% present from start to finish, with the combination
| enough to drive users insane (or, at least, not want to use
| the $5-10,000 computer).
| the__alchemist wrote:
| This checks out. If y'all haven't specced a modern PC: Coolers
| for GPU and CPU are huge, watercooling is now officially
| recommended for new CPUs, and cases are ventilated on all
| sides. Disk bays are moved out of the main chamber to improve
| airflow. Fans everywhere. Front panels surface areas are
| completely covered in fans.
| tempodox wrote:
| Will there be an official "cleared for frying eggs" badge?
| We'll have to do _something_ with all that heat.
| arcanemachiner wrote:
| > watercooling is now officially recommended for new CPUs
|
| First I'm hearing of this. Last I checked, air coolers had
| basically reached parity with any lower-end water cooled
| setup.
| the__alchemist wrote:
| I was surprised too, but that's from the AMD label!
| giantg2 wrote:
| I built a PC last year and saw a bunch of the CPUs were
| recommending water cooling. There were a few high end air
| coolers that were compatible. I went with an AIO water
| cooler. It was cheap and easy. It should give as good or
| better temperature control as the air coolers that are 5x
| more expensive.
|
| My guess is manufacturers don't want to tell people they
| should air cool if it requires listing specific models.
| It's easy to just say they recommend water cooling since
| basically all water coolers will provide adequate
| performance.
| rayiner wrote:
| The most power hungry P4 didn't top 115W.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Which was huge in the era when coolers looked like this:
| https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-air-cooler-
| series-a73/p...
| trehalose wrote:
| > In a frontside design, the silicon substrate can be as thick as
| 750 micrometers. Because silicon conducts heat well, this
| relatively bulky layer helps control hot spots by spreading heat
| from the transistors laterally. Adding backside technologies,
| however, requires thinning the substrate to about 1 mm to provide
| access to the transistors from the back.
|
| This is a typo here, right? 1mm is thicker, not thinner, than 750
| micrometers. I assume 1um was meant?
| nottorp wrote:
| <looks at the arm macs> You sure?
| Almondsetat wrote:
| Are you dismissing a technical article with detailed
| explanations and arguments about the future of CPUs by simply
| mentioning some piece of current consumer hardware?
| nottorp wrote:
| Yes, because I think they're extatic about going the wrong
| way.
| pier25 wrote:
| The Apple Silicon chips are indeed running hotter on every new
| generation, no?
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Whose gonna pull the trigger on beryllium oxide mounting packages
| first?
|
| Its the holy grail of having thermal conductivity somewhere
| between aluminum and copper, while being as electrically
| insulating as ceramic. You can put the silicon die directly on
| it.
|
| Problem is that the dust from it is terrifyingly toxic, but in
| it's finished form it's "safe to handle".
| giantg2 wrote:
| Won't you have conductivity issues if the oxide layer is
| damaged?
| pitaj wrote:
| > Problem is that the dust from it is terrifyingly toxic, but
| in it's finished form it's "safe to handle".
|
| Doesn't that mean it would be problematic for electronics
| recycling?
| onewheeltom wrote:
| Seems my M1 Macbook Air generates almost no heat.
| m463 wrote:
| good for a laptop. what would the clocks be on a desktop part
| that was liquid cooled?
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