[HN Gopher] Jeff Geerling won't connect his dishwasher to your s...
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Jeff Geerling won't connect his dishwasher to your stupid cloud
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Author : nikodunk
Score : 43 points
Date : 2025-04-06 18:16 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| gnabgib wrote:
| Discussion (1006 points, 13 days ago, 661 comments)
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43463200
| slavik81 wrote:
| This was almost my experience when my dishwasher died last year.
| When looking for reviews and advice, everyone recommended Bosch.
| However, when I saw it had WiFi, I baulked. After a lot of
| humming and hawwing, I decided against the Bosch 500 solely
| because I didn't want a dishwasher with WiFi. The saleslady
| thought I was crazy.
|
| Instead, I got an equivalently priced KitchenAid KDFM404KPS1 and
| am quite happy with it, with only minor quibbles. One of the
| wheels on the bottom rack is attached to a movable row of prongs,
| and if you push the row too hard in the wrong direction, you can
| knock the wheel off. You can just pop the wheel back on, but it's
| an occasional mild annoyance. Aside from that, I have no
| complaints.
| marcusb wrote:
| For whatever it's worth, I have a previous-generation Bosch 500
| (no wifi.) I generally like it a lot, but it has similar minor
| annoyances (the top tray will come off its guide rail on one
| side, but that won't be obvious until the tray doesn't slide
| all the way back in.)
|
| In other words, I don't think Bosch is any better in the "minor
| quibble" department.
| FloatArtifact wrote:
| You know, my GE oven won't do the air frying mode without Wi-Fi.
| mdaniel wrote:
| I would deeply love an FTC complaint for false advertising if
| the box claims it has air frying but attempting to use it in
| your cabin in the woods doesn't
|
| _ed: err, I guess under a different FTC, I guess_
| FloatArtifact wrote:
| Your appliances are your next smart TV.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| What scares me is if these appliances will connect to any open
| network in order to phone home without the user's consent.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| When was the last time you saw any open networks in residential
| homes? All wifi access points use WPA2 and passwords out of the
| box in the last 10+ years.
|
| There might be one from some random hotel lobby nearby or
| neighbor with a Windows Vista PC, but that's the exception
| nowadays, not the rule.
| fuzzy2 wrote:
| Just now, because Vodafone is running Wi-Fi hotspots on their
| customers' routers. (It's opt-out.)
|
| An appliance wouldn't be able to use that, of course.
| rpgwaiter wrote:
| I know it's not common but I've kept a client-isolated open
| wifi hotspot on my property for a long time. You never know
| when someone might be in the neighborhood and need a
| connection!
|
| So far, a single client has connected in 4 years and I can't
| remember if that was me or not.
| frizlab wrote:
| I used to do that but now I have put a password on my guest
| wifi with a QR code for easy typing (which I still have not
| printed; I should do that one of these days).
| cptskippy wrote:
| They won't even have to be open. ISPs like Comcast have been
| offering the ability to connect to Comcast hotspots that are
| just running on consumer's routers.
|
| How long before they offer that as a service to 3rd parties
| like Bosch or LG?
| twiceaday wrote:
| There is money in them doing this nasty nonsense. The cost of
| something like a cellular connection will only keep dropping.
| Therefore, it is just a matter of time before such devices can
| connect to the internet without any way for the user to prevent
| them. Nobody is going to Faraday cage their house.
| Wontron wrote:
| Eventually the cost of a 5G module and data plan will be low
| enough that these appliances won't need any help to phone home.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| And you won't be able to do anything.
|
| That's why regulating some base standards and labelling is
| essential.
| tylerflick wrote:
| Then I will finally be able to use the full power of aluminum
| foil rolls from Costco.
| jsheard wrote:
| You don't even need 5G when things like Amazon Sidewalk
| exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk
|
| Echo devices serve as internet-to-sidewalk bridges by default
| so it's pretty extensive, Amazon claims >90% of the US
| population is covered.
| badgersnake wrote:
| If you have an echo, you're probably not too worried about
| this.
| jsheard wrote:
| It doesn't have to be your Echo, a Sidewalk client can
| get low-bandwidth internet access through _any_ Echo that
| it can reach over LoRa, which goes pretty far.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| There was an anecdotal story on Reddit about a Samsung TV that
| did this.
|
| The poster disabled WiFi on the TV and didn't add it to their
| own network. The TV kept complaining and re-enabling the
| wireless interface and eventually latched on to a neighbour's
| unsecured guest hotspot...
| IvyMike wrote:
| Just put your dishwasher in airplane mode...
| api wrote:
| Only regulation can fix this, because for the company it's
| nothing but upside. They can double-dip by selling data, gather
| data on their users, etc. There is no downside. There are nowhere
| near enough knowledgeable people who will balk at this stuff, and
| even if there are it won't matter if/when _everyone_ does it.
|
| All economic incentives encourage maximum invasion of user
| privacy. That's almost universally true in my experience.
| paulddraper wrote:
| "I can't wash the dishes because the Internet is out"
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