[HN Gopher] TV Garden
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       TV Garden
        
       Author : vkdelta
       Score  : 80 points
       Date   : 2025-03-30 14:25 UTC (3 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (tv.garden)
 (TXT) w3m dump (tv.garden)
        
       | jaqalopes wrote:
       | This is pretty amazing. I clicked on a Luganda-language channel
       | in Uganda and it was a concerned-looking woman being interviewed
       | for a news segment about a "for men" testosterone supplement.
       | Kind of heartening to see that people everywhere are the same,
       | for better and for worse.
        
       | forks wrote:
       | One of those things that's so cool it's hard to believe it's
       | legal
        
         | caseyy wrote:
         | There are many broadcasting laws worldwide, many quite archaic.
         | Even Radio Garden got meaningfully restricted in the UK (only
         | national radio stations are allowed by law). I worry for
         | projects like TV Garden but they are undoubtedly very cool.
        
           | lxgr wrote:
           | Wait, what? Receiving foreign web radio streams in the UK is
           | prohibited?!
           | 
           | How is that even enforced?
        
             | caseyy wrote:
             | A UK High Court ruled in 2019 that websites like TuneIn are
             | distributing illegal music[0]. It went to appeals but the
             | previous ruling was upheld. There hasn't been much
             | clarification beyond that nor very clear enforcement. But
             | the precedent this ruling set makes companies fear
             | repercussions if they accidentally link to a stream that
             | has content not licensed for the UK. To interpret this
             | ruling broadly would be to break the internet[1]:
             | 
             | > The claimants say that a finding for the defendant will
             | fatally undermine copyright. The defendant says that a
             | finding for the claimants will break the internet.
             | 
             | As usual, this happened due to rather rabid approach to
             | copyright by big American labels. They may be legally in
             | the right, though their actions, as always, have meaningful
             | negative externalities. How far they reach in this case is
             | unclear, but TuneIn and Radio Garden both have blocked non-
             | UK streams for UK listeners.
             | 
             | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TuneIn#Legal_issues
             | 
             | [1] https://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/2019/11/did-uk-
             | judge-ju...
        
               | lxgr wrote:
               | Wow, truly bizarre.
               | 
               | And TuneIn and Radio Garden don't even host any streams,
               | to my knowledge; they're mere directories!
        
         | lxgr wrote:
         | Why not? Public broadcast TV stations want to be viewed, just
         | like web radio streams!
         | 
         | That said, the first one I tried (a German public broadcaster)
         | was showing a static image of "this programme is currently
         | unavailable for legal reasons". (I believe they do IP-based
         | geofencing for legal/broadcasting rights reasons.)
        
       | vault wrote:
       | Thanks. I could spend hours watching distant cultures. Their
       | colours, environment, technical equipment... I saw some people in
       | Somalia using DJI microphones, those that in the West are mainly
       | used by YouTubers.
       | 
       | I also see TVs that are normally subject to fees. I'm aware the
       | FAQs say it's only public streams, but I fear this won't last
       | long.
        
         | lxgr wrote:
         | Non-public streams wouldn't be published without DRM, or at
         | least not as publicly retrievable (i.e. without any
         | authentication) M3U playlists, would they?
        
       | magicmicah85 wrote:
       | Love the website design. Very neat to just drop in on a country,
       | see what's on. Was watching two guys in Afghanistan acting goofy
       | in a commercial. Just fascinating.
        
       | thundergolfer wrote:
       | One of those projects that has me wondering what I was doing
       | instead of building this. The end result is great, and the
       | technical details seem like they'd be interesting. TIL about
       | Internet Protocol TV: https://github.com/iptv-org/iptv
        
       | AnotherGoodName wrote:
       | For me the site is incredibly snappy. Amazing. As in i clicked
       | Australia, clicked ABC TV and it all loaded in milliseconds.
        
       | JakeyJake50 wrote:
       | Lol,I went to the UK for some classic British comedy and I could
       | have sworn I was in the middle east. Nothing but Arabic content
       | for days. British TV sure isn't British anymore.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | Definitely going to be biased toward content that has a
         | streaming URL.
        
       | NKosmatos wrote:
       | There's also Radio Garden https://radio.garden/
        
       | blueflow wrote:
       | Go to Germany, select "KIKA" and you can see the depressed bread.
        
       | hei-lima wrote:
       | Just a great project!
        
       | mvdtnz wrote:
       | Cool project. Unfortunately I get infinite spinners on all non-
       | Youtube videos in Firefox. Works in Chrome.
        
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