[HN Gopher] Kagi for Kids
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Kagi for Kids
Author : ryanjamurphy
Score : 134 points
Date : 2025-03-31 18:47 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| skyyler wrote:
| Is it easy to disable the Quick Answer "feature"?
| Kuinox wrote:
| It show up when you put a "?" at the end of your query.
| falcor84 wrote:
| I couldn't find that either. But did find myself laughing at
| the "always check this with an adult" disclaimer on the quick
| answers. It's nice to imagine an alternate world where being an
| adult is sufficient for proper critical thinking.
| jdknezek wrote:
| The first image in this section shows it is a switch at the
| bottom of the Parental Controls settings:
| https://staticmedia.kagi.com/family/parental.png
| viraptor wrote:
| > to ensure children are not exposed to harmful content.
|
| Strong claim. I like the idea, but wish they were more realistic
| about what they can provide. If you ever get a Reddit result
| you're likely one click away from harmful content.
|
| That said, I like the lenses applied in this case. It may be the
| best we can get today in terms of search filtering.
| al_borland wrote:
| Kagi lets you block results for various sites you don't like,
| if sites like Reddit are of concern.
| viraptor wrote:
| I get it, but that wasn't the point. There's lots of sites
| which will have your result and harmful content right next to
| each other. Reddit is known for being a collection of very
| unrelated subreddits, but you won't know every site like
| that. Kagi writes "ensures", but they can't really ensure
| anything here. They'll have the best guess of the first click
| being safe and even that is often problematic (what kind of
| safe?, for what age?).
| jasonpeacock wrote:
| > Story behind the Poop Avatar
|
| I love it
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| Ok this is excellent. If I can trust Kagi for kids, I would pay
| through the nose for this.
|
| The internet is wildly useful but it's just filled with so much
| trash and thanks to google going horribly terribly south, search
| doesn't work anymore.
|
| Which means kids are no longer able to actually have the joy of
| surfing the web and finding very interesting things to read.
|
| So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee that
| bad sites will not show up here?
| ziddoap wrote:
| > _So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee
| that bad sites will not show up here?_
|
| Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and that
| someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| > Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and
| that someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no.
|
| Kagi allowing you to assign what is good and bad makes your
| argument void.
|
| > So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee
| that bad sites will not show up here?
|
| You shouldn't rely on the company alone. While it may be what
| Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so much.
|
| If you're concerned for your kids you too should always
| double check if the content is good/bad regularly.
| ziddoap wrote:
| > _" That's what Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so
| much."_
|
| Not sure why my argument is void, but you restating my
| exact point with different words is valid?
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Are you expecting a company to manage it completely
| without human intervention, yourself without verifying
| the results?
|
| If so, you then got to expect what Kagi decides what is
| bad and what is good and accept that's it.
|
| It could be bias it could be not. I like to think they
| know but I personally would never put all my eggs in one
| basket.
| ziddoap wrote:
| > _Are you expecting a company to manage it completely
| without human intervention, yourself without verifying
| the results?_
|
| What?
|
| Parent commenter asked if it was guaranteed to block the
| bad stuff. I answered no. That's the entire conversation
| summarized.
|
| Then you came in, said I was wrong, and then answered the
| question with "no", just like I did.
|
| I didn't say anything about my expectations, or what I
| would do, or how I do it.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Maybe I am misunderstanding? What is the bad stuff, you
| want blocked?
|
| OP comment comes off as "I want Kagi to do it for me and
| to be how I want it" when Kagi doesn't know what you want
| blocked. How can it? If Kagi is to support blocking why
| wouldn't they?
|
| I am saying what Kagi wants to block may not be the bad
| stuff you want blocked and so you should then verify the
| content of what is blocked.
| ziddoap wrote:
| > _Maybe I am misunderstanding._
|
| I think you are...
|
| The only thing I've said in this comment chain is that
| Kagi cannot guarantee that bad stuff won't show up. Which
| you seem to agree with (despite saying my argument is
| void, for some reason, before agreeing with it).
|
| The rest has been you having a conversation with... I'm
| not sure who. Because you're asking a bunch of questions
| as if _I_ am using this feature. I am not using this
| feature. Literally the only point I am making is that
| Kagi cannot guarantee that bad things wont show up.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| And no one can guarantee you won't end up dead tomorrow
| morning.
|
| Your argument is moot in that sense. Just because it's
| good today doesn't mean it won't be bad tomorrow. If Kagi
| is putting best efforts to guarantee that today it's safe
| that's better than nothing, no? And which to me is kore
| worthy than not.
| Roritharr wrote:
| What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version
| of YouTube Kids.
|
| I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started
| reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching
| throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit
| too much interested in the topic.
|
| Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing,
| but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via his short allowed
| time where he can browse by himself, i'm worried what else is
| coming his way through it.
|
| I'd love to give him access to valuable videos between rules I
| describe by natural language and can test myself, but nothing
| like this exists.
| mvieira38 wrote:
| May I ask how are you dealing with the hole Youtube left in his
| life? I grew up on the internet, but seeing the effects it had
| on me and the world I don't want the same for my kids. The
| problem is I don't even know what to do in my own free time if
| not browsing Youtube or playing games, imagine a kid.
| skydhash wrote:
| My advice would be hobbies. Learning and practicing stuff can
| take a lot of your free time if you're passionate about it,
| meaning you give it your full attention.
| mvieira38 wrote:
| Maybe I'm weird, but hobbies just feel like work anyways,
| except maybe reading. Learning Japanese just doesn't have
| the same feedback loop as grinding Dota or something...
| Alas, how would I tackle this issue with a kid? Maybe just
| throw a bunch of activities at him and see what sticks as a
| hobby?
| 7thaccount wrote:
| Yeah that works. I've done piano, jujitsu, hockey, and
| half a dozen other things with my kid. If they ask to do
| something I let them, but make them do a commitment. If
| they hate it, they can stop when the season is over and
| try something else. The tricky part is to balance
| ensuring they learn not to quit just because something is
| hard, with not making them do something for too long that
| they've just figured out is not for them. Piano and
| gymnastics were a big no, while they fell in love with
| the right jujitsu gym.
|
| Not everything has to be competitive or official either.
| Like you can just go to the community pool during the
| summer without joining a swim team. I think some parents
| forget this, but this was normal for previous
| generations.
|
| So my kid has a few extra curricular activities and then
| I also do plenty of activities with them at the house
| like play chess or card games or whatever. They're also
| watching some of my old favorite sci-fi shows with me.
| Nearly all of YouTube kids is steaming garbage designed
| to turn your kid into a mindless consumer. Netflix kids
| is pretty good though. There are a lot of shows that have
| character progression and multi season plot arcs that
| cover complex subjects. Avatar the Last Airbender is an
| example of a show I was comfortable with my 7 year old
| watching without worrying about brain rot. Mind you, I
| think all screen time needs a limit.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| > Alas, how would I tackle this issue with a kid?
|
| by teaching them that work is good and necessary. There's
| a book by Neil Postman _Amusing Ourselves to Death_ , the
| central idea of which is that "form excludes content".
| The problem with Youtube, or in his time TV, isn't just
| the content, it's that _all_ content by the nature of the
| medium must be entertaining. If it isn 't entertaining,
| it isn't content.
|
| Hobbies feel like work because they are like work,
| because most things worth doing have a component of work
| to them. Rather than just trying to see what sticks, the
| best thing you can teach kids these days is that they
| should stick to the thing and that expecting "fun" at all
| times is a bad expectation to have.
| skydhash wrote:
| Also there's a period when you're going to feel terrible
| if you're focusing too much on the result, when you know
| enough to judge the quality, but not practiced enough to
| do it well. That's when positive feedback is important,
| either by reducing expectations (just doing it for fun),
| focusing on relative progress instead of absolute
| qualifications, and mental care. A social element works
| wonder for these.
| Baeocystin wrote:
| Let him be bored, and provide the tools so that he learns
| how to make his own fun.
| skydhash wrote:
| Why not curate a video repository? I think novelty is actually
| overrated and even harmful for kid. Deeper exploration on
| familiar subject may be beneficial as that would let his/her
| imagination to take on the job of inventing new things.
| mvieira38 wrote:
| This seems like a cool idea. Maybe using something like a
| Peertube instance to join like-minded parents would end up
| working out for scaling
| kridsdale1 wrote:
| I did this. I set up a plex server in my home that connects
| to a NAS which has the full runs of every PBS style kids show
| that I could find and found good reviews of. Along with
| classic movies.
|
| Just trying to recreate the media conditions of my youth,
| with modern content as well as long as it's "pure".
|
| I'm also putting me-vetted YouTube content like Kurzgesagt on
| it.
| Minor49er wrote:
| You might want to vet your video collection more closely.
| Kurzgesagt got into hot water a few years ago after it came
| out that they were being sponsored by large corporations to
| push messaging that used those sponsors' publications as
| primary sources. They're not as unpartial and objective as
| they lead people to believe
| vinni2 wrote:
| Care to share the source?
| tiagod wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzgesagt#Sources_of_fundi
| ng
| vel0city wrote:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/kurzgesagt/comments/10jlyyk/kurz
| ges...
| albumen wrote:
| They're not as partial and biased as people like to
| believe.
|
| When you read kurzgesagt's reasoned response, and you
| consider the motivations of the primary accuser, it's a
| lot less dramatic than you make it sound. Nobody's
| perfect; and sometimes organisations' messaging align
| without it being bought. They are not primarily funded by
| billionaires, they have editorial independence enforced
| by contract, and have a lot to lose if that's not the
| case. Of course, make up your own mind (as kurzgesagt
| would like you to do); but I'll still be watching their
| work. If in doubt, check with other sources afterwards!
| (Like you should anyway).
| falcor84 wrote:
| Trying to look into this now, and can't seem to find the
| issue. Is the complaint that they used Our World in Data
| [0] while they got money from the Gates Foundation? If
| so, I don't understand what the problem is; it seems to
| me as objective a source as can be. Or is there something
| more shady there that I haven't found?
|
| [0] https://ourworldindata.org/
| voisin wrote:
| Another great resource for vetting content for kids by age
| is Common Sense Media.
| bombcar wrote:
| Jellyfin + ytdlp + playlists = pretty good, in general. and
| avoids ads; the ads are worse than almost anything else you
| can find.
| philips wrote:
| Do you have any automation on ytdlp and Jellyfin?
|
| I built this with Jellyfin and Home Assistant for my kids:
| https://github.com/philips/homeassistant-nfc-chromecast
| MostlyStable wrote:
| I had a lot of frustrations with the Youtube Kids app until I
| realized that if, when setting it up, rather than choosing the
| appropriate age range, you picked the "custom" (or whatever it
| was, it was annoyingly hidden all the way to the right, so you
| can't even see it at first), you are able to white list
| channels and videos, rather than just blacklist. Why this
| feature is hidden behind a different age selector rather than
| being part of any of the age settings I do not understand, but
| it's a lot better, and it could prevent the issue you describe,
| although admittedly it does require more work on the parents
| part to find and approve appropriate content. This is easier
| for younger kids at least.
| aNapierkowski wrote:
| wait is this real? this is a thing ive been wanting, some
| channels that are fine are not in ytkids and some of the
| stuff in ytkids is just junk if we could curate a whitelist
| that would be perfect
| MostlyStable wrote:
| I think you can only whitelist channels that are approved
| kids channels, not from the full youtube library, but it
| does allow you to avoid the ocean of crap and pick just the
| good stuff.
| bluGill wrote:
| Perfect only if you have a small list that is allowed...
| philips wrote:
| Yes, it is real, but a bit tricky to setup with caveats:
| https://abparenting.substack.com/p/effective-youtube-kids
| philips wrote:
| I wrote a blog post about that if it helps others. It is a
| real game changer:
| https://abparenting.substack.com/p/effective-youtube-kids
| voisin wrote:
| Is there a list somewhere to start a whitelist from?
| jkkramer wrote:
| As a fellow parent and hater of YouTube Kids, I've thought
| about building a replacement.
|
| What holds me back is knowing that -- if this was an iPad app,
| for example -- I'd be at the mercy of both Google AND Apple.
| It's a minefield of sensitive topics:
|
| - Kids & privacy
|
| - Content moderation
|
| - Intellectual property
|
| - Third-party UGC
|
| Way too risky.
| petepete wrote:
| This is why iPlayer is worth its weight in gold in the UK.
| jmathai wrote:
| I found that most of the content on YouTube kids existed as a
| means to advertise products. I don't necessarily care to
| understand the economics of it because it just doesn't provide
| enough value to bother.
|
| What I do understand is that I don't want my kids being tricked
| into watching ads because something about watching adults open
| toys is entertaining.
| newsclues wrote:
| Kids have many people they can ask for gifts from.
| piokoch wrote:
| I would never expect that I will live in times, in which people
| are afraid that kids read the Bible...
| daemoens wrote:
| Read the rest of his comment
|
| > Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a
| thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via his short
| allowed time where he can browse by himself, i'm worried what
| else is coming his way through it.
| dingnuts wrote:
| it's completely unsurprising that a child raised with no
| spiritual grounding would be interested in a book that
| teaches how to live and attempts to answer the questions
| that rationalists and atheists have nothing satisfying to
| say about.
|
| How does one live a good life? Every religion tries to
| answer that question. Has the GP sufficiently replaced
| religion with something else to help their child answer
| that question?
|
| One life is too short and too permanent to figure it out
| from trial and error so we have an instinct for myth to
| help guide us. That's why religion evolved.
|
| You can help your child navigate that problem and separate
| doctrine from the helpful parts, or try to shelter them
| from scary ideas. Good luck with the latter strategy,
| especially if you want them to have a relationship with you
| as adults.
| Capricorn2481 wrote:
| You would have to be completely indoctrinated to think an
| 8 year old is going to read the bible and see it as a way
| to live life, and not a confusing blood and sex fest. The
| only reason you think of it in such sheltered terms is
| your guardians said "Ignore the parts about donkey dicks,
| this is a guide to spirituality, we are told."
|
| > Good luck with the latter strategy, especially if you
| want them to have a relationship with you as adults.
|
| Again, you seem to live a sheltered life that you think
| people who don't read the bible are somehow broken people
| from broken families who are afraid of "scary ideas." I
| imagine if your child was reading the Quran you would not
| react this way.
|
| Our families are fine. Focus on your own.
| janwillemb wrote:
| I'm religious myself. What you are describing is not
| taught by the bible as it is in its pure form, but is a
| selection of specific parts of it by the tradition that
| you are part of. A different, lesser known selection was
| posted in another comment, about rape and murder. You
| could also select very boring parts about family lists.
| Or meticulously detailed instructions about the beard of
| the priest. It is not wrong to try and live a good life,
| but that is part of a tradition, not purely based on the
| bible.
| krapp wrote:
| This may come as a shock to you, but morality and ethics
| do not presuppose religion. The rationalists and atheists
| don't have to replace religion with anything, they just
| don't need to invoke fear of the wrath of an imaginary
| sky father to justify being a good person.
| totallynothoney wrote:
| The secularists don't have satisfying answers to the
| questions about life? What's next? Without god everyone
| would rape and pillage?
| Barrin92 wrote:
| I'm sorry to tell you this but an _eight year old_ isn 't
| reading the bible because they had a philosophical
| meaning crisis and their journey into secular philosophy
| was unsatisfying, they read the bible because the
| minecraft influencer told them so, because they would do
| literally anything the influencer told them, hence the
| name, and probably why you should keep eight year olds
| away from them.
| Retr0id wrote:
| The bible has some rather child-unfriendly content, in parts.
| cwkoss wrote:
| No single book has incited more violence throughout history
| themaninthedark wrote:
| I don't know, there are books by an Austrian and a German
| both of which have sparked a large number of deaths.
|
| More to the point though; when the violence is occurring
| the author's work is used as a justification. If not their
| work, someone else's would do.
| Capricorn2481 wrote:
| > when the violence is occurring the author's work is
| used as a justification. If not their work, someone
| else's would do
|
| This statement falls on its face with any examination.
| You're implying the Bible is on the same level as, say,
| Catcher in the Rye. As in, a book that was used as an
| excuse to kill by an already deranged outlier.
|
| The Bible was explicit law in the history of many
| countries. Non-practitioners were considered second class
| citizens. Entire economies were thrown into crusades to
| rape and pillage people specifically in the name of
| Christ. Generations of children were indoctrinated into
| believing this was okay. It's not remotely accurate to
| say "well if it wasn't this, it would be something else."
| This is a system, not an accident.
|
| I have conversations to this day with relatives that the
| crusades were completely okay because it was in the name
| of God. This is not ancient history, this is what
| religion does. It's just uncomfortable to say out loud
| because then we'd be admitting that Christians are,
| mostly, okay with dehumanizing everyone else.
| tombert wrote:
| I've gone back and forth dozens of times about how much
| religion is responsible for the awful stuff in history vs.
| just a bunch of selfish and/or very stupid people using it
| to justify what they wanted to do anyway.
|
| It's easy to say "Deuteronomy says to murder all non
| believers!" and then point to an example of a Christian
| killing a Muslim (or something) and assume that that was
| their motivation, and maybe it was, but also maybe it was
| just a homicidal maniac who gravitated to this book
| specifically because they could use it to justify what they
| were going to do anyway.
|
| It's really tough to say, and I'm not going to pretend I
| know the answer.
|
| Suicide bombers (e.g. the 9/11 terrorists) might be an
| example in your favor though. You're probably not driving
| airplanes into buildings if you don't really believe in
| what you're doing.
|
| I don't know. As I said, I've gone back and forth.
| tombert wrote:
| There are parts of the Bible where a prostitute is mutilated,
| butchered, and shipped to her rapists [1], parts where a
| woman fantasizes about men with donkey dicks and horse cum
| [2], parts where a father is seduced by and impregnates his
| daughters [3], children being murdered for making fun of a
| bald guy [4], and many, _many_ more things that I don 't
| think would be appropriate for a small child.
|
| It's fine if you believe this stuff, and maybe these are
| layered with beautiful metaphors and it's beautiful when you
| know the subtext, but I don't think it would be appropriate
| to read a lot of this to a young child. Maybe you don't
| agree, but I think it can hardly be _surprising_ that people
| wouldn 't want their kids to read it until they are at least
| a little older.
|
| [1] Judges 19
|
| [2] Ezekiel 23:20
|
| [3] Genesis 19:30-38
|
| [4] 2 Kings 2:23-25.
| carlosjobim wrote:
| A lot of the Bible is tales of what incredibly evil people
| do, not an endorsement of those actions. A lot of the tales
| is also sins and mistakes normal people make, because they
| aren't saints. You need to have a certain level of maturity
| to be able to read and understand the Bible and other
| ancient books. If you don't have that, it's like believing
| that the TV news is endorsing serial killers, wars, and
| natural disasters, because they are reporting on them. You
| can find the truth of human evil told repeatedly in the
| Bible, it's not a fairy tale, so you should forget about
| that perspective.
|
| The Bible is absolutely not suitable for children, except
| for choice parts. Those people who thought it was a good
| idea to teach the Bible to small children did a great
| disservice to those people and to religion. It's a hard
| core book for adolescents and above.
| tombert wrote:
| > A lot of the Bible is tales of what incredibly evil
| people do, not an endorsement of those actions.
|
| Mostly agree, though not completely. There are actions
| that are kind of deemed "moral" that I don't think are
| good, e.g. Abraham being super willing to murder his son
| to make God happy. Or Moses killing all the first-born
| children of Egypt with the Angel of Death. That's pretty
| evil, and Abraham and Moses are kind of the "heroes" of
| those stories.
|
| I agree that there is wisdom to be found in there, and
| that it requires a level of maturity and literary
| understanding to parse that sometimes. It's a book
| written over the course of several hundred (thousands?)
| of years with hundreds of stories, it's not weird to
| think that there would be some good stuff in there.
|
| > The Bible is absolutely not suitable for children,
| except for choice parts.
|
| Yeah, I agree with that. The "do unto others" stuff is
| perfectly fine to teach to small children, and even stuff
| with slightly more nebulous but ultimately clever themes
| like the Prodigal Son are fine. I think I'd save the
| stuff about murdering and mutilating concubines until
| you're comfortable with them watching R-rated movies.
|
| That's not a dig in itself, though. My favorite movie of
| all time is Ghost in the Shell (1995). It's got lots of
| wisdom and cleverness and to me it's nearly perfect, but
| if I had kids I don't think I'd let them watch it until
| they were 13 or 14, even though I don't think that the
| themes in it are harmful or endorsing bad behavior.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > I think I'd save the stuff about murdering and
| mutilating concubines until you're comfortable with them
| watching R-rated movies.
|
| Really? Do you feel the same way about Bluebeard?
| Cinderella? This isn't a rare motif in children's
| stories.
| tombert wrote:
| I'm not sure I know what Bluebeard is, so I can't comment
| on that.
|
| The original somewhat gory Cinderella stories? I might
| wait until they're a bit older.
|
| I don't have kids, so this is all hypothetical, of
| course.
| tmtvl wrote:
| Bluebeard is a fairy tale about a lass who marries a guy
| called Bluebeard and he gives her the keys to his house
| and tells her not to go into one specific room and that
| room contains the bodies of his former wives.
|
| I might be misremembering it somewhat, but I believe
| that's the gist.
| carlosjobim wrote:
| > Abraham being super willing to murder his son to make
| God happy.
|
| Sacrificing your own children is a human behaviour so
| common through history and with different cultures, that
| it's basically a biological instinct. Even today parents
| send their sons to die in industrialized war to prove
| their faith for the government, as well as sacrifice
| their children in ways that are less explicit than that -
| always to prove their faith and loyalty to the entity
| they worship religiously, whether that's a man worshipped
| as a god, or a disembodied concept that they worship,
| such as "the state".
|
| The story of Abraham is a way to break that spell. The
| primitive human instinct is to worship by giving gifts,
| and then naturally giving the greatest gift you can give
| to prove your faith, which is your child. I interpret the
| story of Abraham as a clever way to break one of the most
| evil and persistent traditions of humanity, which is
| child sacrifice. And the story is much more efficient
| than simply saying "You shouldn't sacrifice your own
| children".
|
| Put yourself in his shoes (there have probably been
| thousands of Abrahams through time). If he says "I'm not
| going to sacrifice my child", the tribespeople will say
| that his God is weak because Abraham dares to give less
| of a sacrifice than the best, or that Abraham puts his
| own desires in front of what's good for the tribe
| (pleasing God or any god). If God told him to sacrifice
| his son and God later changed his mind, that's another
| thing.
|
| The story puts an effective limit on the level of
| worship. Sacrifice animals sure, but don't sacrifice your
| own children.
|
| Human sacrifice and ritual cannibalistic wars of genocide
| is the natural condition of humans as a species. That is
| the simple answer to why humans existed for hundreds of
| thousands of years without making any progress before
| something strange happened and we became enlightened.
|
| Seeing as the Bible is a collection of stories that where
| told for thousands of years before being written down, I
| would think that there are entire generations and
| cultures who have live by those stories and commands for
| longer than the Bible has existed in any form. Pre-
| civilization tribes that we know nothing about. The Bible
| is our deepest probe into deep time, and absolutely
| fascinating.
| Capricorn2481 wrote:
| > The story of Abraham is a way to break that spell
|
| That's an extremely generous interpretation. You say the
| story is about breaking the cycle of pernicious child
| sacrifice. But there's nothing in the story that supports
| that view, you just said it because it's the most
| palatable interpretation of a straightforward story: Obey
| God, and he may give you mercy (not having to kill your
| kid). And you conveniently ignore Moses killing all the
| first-borns.
|
| > Human sacrifice and ritual cannibalistic wars of
| genocide is the natural condition of humans as a species
|
| There is no "ritual" wars without religion. Religion is
| what is natural to humanity, as it develops in every
| culture without fail. Whether you worship Jesus or the
| Sun, the belief in an afterlife if you follow the rules
| the last generation handled to you is what leads to
| terrible deeds, because you can justify anything.
|
| > The story puts an effective limit on the level of
| worship
|
| No, it doesn't. Many innocent people are sacrificed or
| ordered to be killed throughout the verses. Jephthah
| sacrifices his daughter. Saul is asked to kill women and
| children.
|
| > Seeing as the Bible is a collection of stories that
| where told for thousands of years before being written
| down
|
| If by told for a thousand years before being written
| down, you mean edited, distorted, and mistranslated to
| the convenience of whoever was in power at the time, yes.
| V__ wrote:
| Have you read the bible? Lots of stories are absolutely not
| child appropriate.
| Capricorn2481 wrote:
| Yes such a shame we can't scare children with violent ghost
| stories anymore so they don't become gay.
| themaninthedark wrote:
| It was not that the kid was reading the bible that scared the
| parent but that they took a sudden deep(obsessive?) interest
| in something after only being exposed to it on Youtube.
|
| I have kids and I too would be concerned if they suddenly
| took interest in a topic. Not that long ago two twelve year
| old girls murdered their friend because "Slenderman".
|
| Religious topics can lead to radicalization and/or cults.
| tombert wrote:
| Purely in the interest of pedantry: I think it was
| attempted murder, I think the girl lived:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing
|
| Not that it changes your point at all, which I think I
| completely agree with.
| graemep wrote:
| An interest in something that has ha a huge and pervasive
| influence. Even if you are an atheist who would never reed
| it, if you are from a historicist Christian culture it has
| shaped your worldview.This is very well argued in Dominion
| by Tom Holland.
| tombert wrote:
| I'm an atheist who has read large parts of the Bible, not
| even to understand history, but to simply try to
| understand the (ostensible) motivations of current
| leaders and constituents in politics today.
|
| I haven't read all of it, a lot of the Bible is a pretty
| dry read, but I have read most of it, and it has been at
| least a little illuminating to see what people will use
| for justification of stuff.
| Modified3019 wrote:
| We live in times where the bible is considered a serious
| yardstick for morality, rather than the fucked up Bronze Age
| mythology that it is.
|
| Considering it's god is a raging and abusive narcissist[0],
| and how often the religion is used as a tool to justify
| hatred, physical and psychological abuse, I would be just as
| concerned at someone actively trying to proselytize. Religion
| is entirely unnecessary for a moral upbringing.
|
| I would likewise be just as concerned if 4chan's /pol/
| started to target my kids with their propaganda. There's a
| strong difference between intellectual good faith exploration
| of politics and world events, and harmful radical
| indoctrination intent on controlling their actions and
| reactions.
|
| As another poster said, at best it's a good opportunity to
| sit down with your kids, and show them the tricks and traps
| being used against them, but they are too inexperienced to be
| let alone to be preyed upon with impunity.
|
| [0] A wonderful resource outlining the parallels, which
| helped me escape from the abuse I grew up with:
| https://www.youtube.com/@TheraminTrees/videos
| totallynothoney wrote:
| Well, one might quite reasonably think a Minecraft youtuber
| isn't the best person to teach their child about the Bible,
| even if someone is Christian. Even considering that, how
| appropriate a religious text totally depends on the parents.
| I think GP would be questioned less if it was Qur'an quotes
| on Minecraft videos and he subsequently blocked Youtube.
| bombcar wrote:
| Minecraft Bible is _modernism!_
|
| Classical traditionalists, of course, use LEGO Bible.
|
| https://thebrickbible.com/legacy/
| bsima wrote:
| maybe you guys should read the bible together?
| d3752934 wrote:
| I'm going to go out on a limb and say that isn't going to be
| happening for this particular individual.
| Carrok wrote:
| If you think an 8 year old should read the bible, it makes me
| think you haven't actually read the whole thing. Some pretty
| atrocious stuff in there.
| phobotics wrote:
| I think DudePerfect have an app that is essentially this.
| Heavily curated kid friendly content. It might only be paid
| though.
| jordanmorgan10 wrote:
| Yup - our kids use it and it's the only "YouTube" kinda thing
| that's worked for our family.
| mattmanser wrote:
| I had a look, and it seemed to be just their content? I
| thought the GP meant an app with a range of content.
| calvinmorrison wrote:
| Church-goer son-of-a-pastor die-hard-reformed christian here in
| agreement...
|
| sorry there are too many whackos out there. I'd feel more
| comfortable with my kids learning from Catholic Priests than
| some random youtuber. In fact, my kids are probably going to go
| to catholic school.
|
| The reason why we have denominations in part is to maintain the
| education of the clergy and keep dogma, or theology, in check.
|
| (even if we disagree at times, at least most of the organized
| christian church can agree on the basic creeds - something that
| youtube seems hell bent on for clicks is getting you into
| nontrinitarian and whacky stuff!)
| philips wrote:
| What is wrong with YouTube Kids? I think it works fairly well
| and use it in my own home:
| https://abparenting.substack.com/p/effective-youtube-kids
| stankot wrote:
| I stumbled on this some time ago and saved it for when my kid
| grows up enough. It is a collection of a few thousands kid
| friendly videos. I think their curation is pretty good, but
| check it out for yourself.
|
| https://thekidshouldseethis.com/
| pyuser583 wrote:
| What did these videos say? I'd like to let the leaders of our
| church know, so they can add it to the sermons.
| facile3232 wrote:
| Content for kids strikes me as something you'd curate around an
| experience and value system you sell to parents. I can't imagine
| anything else would work very well.
|
| Granted, this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to build filters. I'm
| just rather pessimistic about a hands-off experience with such
| software.
| jmathai wrote:
| I think curation is the key. I sort of trust Disney to curate
| content for my kids. I definitely do not trust Youtube to do
| it.
|
| I don't want my kids to be able to "discover" content. Why is
| that always the feature? Rhetorical question....I know the
| answer, engagement and stickiness. I just don't like the
| answer.
| mvieira38 wrote:
| Lmao the longest section of this is about the Poop Avatar
| Minor49er wrote:
| Speaks volumes about how they see their clientele
| an_aparallel wrote:
| Lol...i see why kids are shunning "online"... The internet was
| exciting as a kid (for me) back in the nineties specifically
| because it was the wild west: unique takes, mp3s, software
| torrents, private p2p chats with strangers around the world,
| porn, and most importantly...something my parents had no clue
| about.
|
| In 2025, id definately prefer kicking dirt as a kid.
| decimalenough wrote:
| As a parent of kids in 2025, there are approximately zero kids
| out there who share your view.
|
| However, they're all subscribed to SkibidiDirtKickerz on
| Tiktok, YouTube and Snapchat. Don't forget to smash that like
| button!
| koakuma-chan wrote:
| As a person of the age of majority, I would always choose the
| poop avatar over something as basic as ball or duck.
| dcchambers wrote:
| Disclaimer: I am a happy paid Kagi subscriber and absolutely am
| an advocate of their product. I really hope the company makes it
| work financially because we NEED something like it.
|
| I have two young kids of my own (4, almost 2) and have so far
| been able to avoid the issues of letting them free roam on the
| net, but it's obviously something that's coming. This was not
| something I ever paid attention to in my youth but now as a
| parent the open internet completely terrifies me. And I say that
| as a core millennial that basically grew up with the internet.
|
| The current status quo of "kids friendly" content (eg YouTube
| Kids) is mostly awful. I would still never let my young kids
| browse something like that without supervision.
|
| I am appreciative that Kagi knows this is an issue and is
| investing into the area.
| pants2 wrote:
| Feels like in my youth the biggest risk was stumbling on some
| freaky gore/porn that scarred you, but somehow that doesn't
| seem as bad as the risk of getting hooked on dopamine-optimized
| brainrot, alt-right propaganda, or micro transaction focused
| games.
| Snacklive wrote:
| This. I was a kid with too much free time and exposed to the
| internet with some but not enough supervision.
|
| I stumbled with some f up stuff that i still remember to this
| day. But somehow I'm grateful that it wasn't the current
| brainrot
| dcchambers wrote:
| Yep, that's exactly my fear. The brain rot zombification of
| our society. How do I stop my kids from getting suckered into
| an endless scrolling doom loop?
| jmathai wrote:
| Kagi seems like a cool company - I'm not a customer yet. I'd like
| there to be technology companies I can trust - perhaps like Kagi.
|
| I have been really happy with NextDNS though. My kids, not so
| much. But hey ... that's parenting.
| drcongo wrote:
| Kagi and NextDNS are the two subscriptions I have that I
| couldn't live without, you should give Kagi a go.
| ryoshu wrote:
| I read this as "Kaggle for Kids" which also seems like a lovely
| idea.
| airstrike wrote:
| Seconded
| yzydserd wrote:
| > Family Plan ... We strive to provide a search engine that
| prioritizes the well-being of your loved ones, particularly the
| most vulnerable ones like children, by offering an ad-free and
| safe browsing experience. We offer two different group plans
| based on your specific needs.
|
| I read it a few times and saw only one plan. What's the second
| one? If it's the Team plan, that seems like poor copy.
|
| (Kagi Ultimate subscriber here)
| saintfire wrote:
| Duo, perhaps?
|
| I'm not exactly certain but under the family tab there are two
| options: Duo and Family
| philips wrote:
| I love Kagi and I think the basic ideas here are a step in the
| right direction. I would really like to see the curation be
| social so I can share and collaborate with friends and my kids
| school. As it is I help my kid use an EOL Chromebook to find
| Origami designs but it is always side-by-side and I have tight
| NextDNS controls to keep weird weird ads away from my kids.
|
| On this topic I have been drafting and collecting thoughts on
| internet and digital media curation the last few nights. Here is
| what I have so far:
|
| Thesis: The role of children's teachers and caretakers in
| curating an environment for children to learn and grow is more
| important than ever with the overwhelming variety of books,
| videos, shows, etc all of varying quality and alignment with
| caretaker and child interests. However, curation in the digital
| age is also more difficult than ever. The web is a collection of
| walled gardens which give parents limited and inconsistent
| controls over what the child will see once inside the walled
| garden. And, adding controls on-top of a walled garden is
| impossible or only possible by very computer savvy users (e.g.
| YouTube frontends).
|
| What are ways care takers can practically and easily curate
| today?
|
| Examples
|
| - YouTube Kids: https://abparenting.substack.com/p/effective-
| youtube-kids
|
| - Jellyfin or Calibre for ebooks
|
| - Open WebUI with a custom system prompt for kids
|
| Counter Examples
|
| - Netflix, Disney, Amazon, etc: difficult to non-existent
| curation controls - all or nothing
|
| - Kindle Kids: there are controls but for Library books the
| process is 12+ clicks between the Libby and Kindle app:
| https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/can-you-share-kindl...
|
| "Our young students are just beginning to develop their powers of
| discernment. By curating a good library collection, we can help
| them learn to weigh the merits of a few authoritative works on a
| subject rather than plowing through hundreds of internet sources
| of uneven quality. And while a computer search is undeniably
| efficient, we firmly believe that browsing a shelf of books is
| more rewarding and more educational. It deepens students'
| understanding of organizational principles, brings them
| unexpected discoveries, and rewards patient exploration rather
| than offering instant gratification"
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