[HN Gopher] What's Happening to Students?
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What's Happening to Students?
Author : atombender
Score : 23 points
Date : 2025-03-25 21:47 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| jjgreen wrote:
| Everyone with a mobile is dead inside. Dead. Inside. But it's not
| so bad, they don't want to bite you, and there are a few living
| still out there; I reckon a couple of thousand in London. We
| recognise each-other and give a nod or a raise of the eyebrow,
| then back into the crowds of the undead stumbling along doom-
| scrolling celebrity's dinners or whatever the fuck it is they
| find so compelling ...
| Handprint4469 wrote:
| Everyone with an imagination is dead inside. Dead. Inside. But
| it's not so bad, they don't want to bite you, and there are a
| few living still out there; I reckon a couple of thousand in
| London. We recognise each-other and give a nod or a raise of
| the eyebrow, then back into the crowds of the undead stumbling
| along daydreaming about celebrity's dinners or whatever the
| fuck it is they find so compelling ...
| yakcyll wrote:
| There is a very big difference between engaging with your own
| stream of consciousness and being spoon-fed stimuli without
| any effortful engagement. While I get the sentiment that the
| parent comment may be snarkily over-generalizing (for the
| record, I don't think that it does), this retort doesn't land
| at all.
| healsdata wrote:
| Reductionist statement is reductionist.
|
| I'm sure that Jasleen Kaur, Kendrick Lamar, and Bethany
| Baptiste all have mobile phones, and yet, they were all
| recognized as top creators in 2024. Plenty of people with jobs
| they hate were dead inside long before mobile phones were
| invented -- they were addicted to alcohol instead. People
| levied the same complaints you're making about newspapers and
| books.
|
| Instead of painting any technology or distraction with a broad
| brush, it's best to focus on the potential harms and find out
| who's most impacted. We can help those folks better if we don't
| just demonize their vice across the board.
| supportengineer wrote:
| I'm in my 50's and looking forward, I just don't see anything
| good in the future for this world.
|
| Probably people have felt this way throughout all of history but
| this time seems different.
| sarreph wrote:
| > Probably people have felt this way throughout all of history
| but this time seems different.
|
| In my 30s and I make a habit of asking people in the
| generations above me if they felt the same when they were
| younger / my age. As in, did things always seem this futile,
| clogged, and broken?
|
| The answer is always "no".
| juunpp wrote:
| Phones should be banned in school. Really that simple. No serious
| school/parent that cares about the kids' education would allow
| phones.
| healsdata wrote:
| There's a recent article that basically sums it up as the
| parents being the ones pushing back against the bans, not
| teachers or students.
|
| > "Mommy and Daddy were checking in all day long saying, 'I
| miss you and can't wait to see you,'" Hochul told the NYT.
| "That's a parental need, not a student need."
|
| https://futurism.com/school-phone-bans-parents
| codybontecou wrote:
| They tend to be. One of the issues is the dopamine withdrawals
| they experience while away from their phone:
|
| "First of all the kids have no ability to be bored whatsoever.
| They live on their phones. And they're just fed a constant
| stream of dopamine from the minute their eyes wake up in the
| morning until they go to sleep at night.
|
| Because they are in a constant state of dopamine withdrawal at
| school, they behave like addicts. They're super emotional. The
| smallest things set them off."
| jarjoura wrote:
| Isn't the article suggesting that because students do not have
| access to their phones during the school day, they are
| suffering withdrawl?
|
| I'm interpreting the message that students should not have a
| phone at all or at least in limited capacity.
| hibikir wrote:
| What we are seeing with students is that it's harder to get them
| to do work if they are demotivated, but that there's so many more
| tools for them to learn quickly and effectively when they are.
| Yes, LLMs can be used to cheat on an assignment, but they can
| also be used to get instant feedback and reasonably good advice
| when the teacher might bring judgement.
|
| This has always been the issue of the internet: It's good at
| giving us what we want. It's just that many times, what we want
| is really bad for us. The same tool that finds friends that share
| a hobby is the same whether the hobby is building gundams or
| participating in conspiracy thinking.
|
| So what I expect we'll see is outcome divergence. For some people
| it's a great boon. For others, the worst thing we could have done
| for them. What made someone successful in the 1980s might be very
| different in the 2030s
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