[HN Gopher] Internet Archive Europe - Bringing Collections to Life
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Internet Archive Europe - Bringing Collections to Life
Author : robin_reala
Score : 117 points
Date : 2025-03-24 18:52 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.internetarchive.eu)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.internetarchive.eu)
| axiologist wrote:
| Apparently this is not a European mirror of the AI but (still?)
| only a landing page for the announcement of intent of an
| associated project. No content whatsoever can be browsed (yet).
| frozenseven wrote:
| Announcement of a project that's been around since 2004?
| Interesting to say the least.
| beaugunderson wrote:
| My guess is that's a typo and they meant 2024... this is the
| earliest I can find of it on the web:
|
| https://web.archive.org/web/20230419191753/https://stichting.
| ..
| barbazoo wrote:
| > The Internet Archive is an American non-profit organization
|
| Would be prudent to speed up development of "mirrors" in other
| jurisdictions to protect against rewriting of history. I imagine
| that's what autocrats will do in the end.
| skyyler wrote:
| There's one in Alexandria, I believe.
|
| I agree that there should be more.
| outside1234 wrote:
| Alexandria Egypt? Or is this a joke comment?
| yawndex wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
| outside1234 wrote:
| Yes, so assuming this was a historical reference, and
| that some sort of digital equivalent has not been formed
| there. :)
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Bibliotheca Alexandria installed a mirror of the Internet
| Archive in 2007, it's unclear from a brief googling if
| the relationship was sustained
|
| https://www.bibalex.org/en/News/Details?DocumentID=1550&K
| eyw...
| mburns wrote:
| iirc, Library of Alexandria's collection grew from making
| copies of books brought into port by sailors.
|
| So, there are definitely some loose historical parallels
| to draw.
| skyyler wrote:
| Yes, Alexandria Egypt.
|
| No, this is not a joke.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive#/media/File:
| I...
|
| It is kind of funny that they chose to put it there, given
| the history of the super famous library in the ancient
| city.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Brewster is always referencing the old library of
| Alexandria as an inspiration when he gives tours of the
| archive, it's certainly no coincidence
|
| What's funny is their San Francisco headquarters was
| chosen because they saw a building go up for sale that
| looked vaguely like their logo :)
| skyyler wrote:
| That's very cute.
|
| Working with the IA sounds like a lot of fun.
| fweimer wrote:
| Most jurisdictions with stable, unfiltered Internet
| connectivity view copyright not as something that has been
| granted by the government. It's closer to a human right there.
| It's simply not possible to operate a publicly accessible
| Internet-Archive-type service in such jurisdictions legally.
| The United States are a big exception.
| outside1234 wrote:
| You are saying copyright is viewed as a human right?
| zozbot234 wrote:
| The Internet Archive hosts copies of a lot of public domain
| content that they could mirror in the EU. Not sure why
| copyright should be an issue wrt. such a service.
| mellosouls wrote:
| Some other countries have their own (legally mandated and
| publicly funded) web archives, and have had them for a decade
| and more. The Internet Archive led (and leads) the way, but
| this is an established and growing medium now.
|
| https://netpreserve.org/about-us/members/
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| > protect against rewriting of history
|
| I'd be much happier if this was regulated directly for the
| media.
|
| On multiple occasions i've seen an article on reddit, read it,
| had a long argument about something, and they quote a part of
| the article I never saw, and when I click on the article, the
| title is different, the content is different, the "truth" is
| different. No "this article was edited", no "click here to see
| previous revisions", no nothing. And i'm talking about hours
| since the article was posted and the change.
|
| Going years back is even worse, things i clearly remember
| happening, don't exist in the media anymore, here and there i
| found an old reddit comment with a link (+ wayback machine) to
| find what was written then, but without a link, that content
| "doesn't exist anymore".
|
| Just mandate keeping all revisions of articles, even deleted
| ones directly, so anyone can see the previous version directly
| on the site, without needing a third party service and guessing
| the dates when the changes were made (but that 3rd party
| service can still work as a verification to check if they
| really kept everything).
|
| Sites like wikipedia rely on media for many things, and
| consider what the media writes as "the truth" (not all media,
| just the one blessed by wikipedia admins), and changing media
| stories also means changing wikipedia, which already is the
| only source of info many people use even today.
| panza wrote:
| I wonder if there's a commercial incentive for a news outlet
| to choose to do this - "we don't hide, never delete articles,
| preserve history etc..."
|
| Or perhaps just some middle ground between 'we delete, change
| and hide articles' and 'this link is forever and here's the
| full diff history'.
| outside1234 wrote:
| Is there a way to download a particular IA archive via torrent or
| otherwise?
| esskay wrote:
| For anyone confused, this isn't a EU based archiving service like
| the main Internet Archive. It's a vaguely worded plan of "tools"
| and "collections", whatever that means.
|
| Their BlueSky profile pretty much sums up the program:
|
| > Internet Archive Europe, a Dutch non-profit research library,
| is building collections and tools to bring them to life. Working
| with libraries, museums, and archives, we share these tools and
| collections to further everyone's services.
| beaugunderson wrote:
| Brewster Kahle was the founding chairman of their board,
| though, and remains a board member.
| blmurch wrote:
| Hello there! I am the Program Manager for IAE. No we are not a
| full mirror but are busy building alliances here in Europe.
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