[HN Gopher] Fedora 42 Beta
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Fedora 42 Beta
Author : meysamazad
Score : 143 points
Date : 2025-03-18 16:48 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Good work! Looks like one heck of a release!
|
| FYI they now build WSL tarballs!
|
| https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/42_Beta-1.4/Conta...
| ndiddy wrote:
| Fedora KDE is probably the best KDE experience I've had, so I'm
| glad that it's going to get equal billing with the GNOME version
| going forward. Shoutout to the Fedora KDE maintainers for doing
| such a good job.
| sho_hn wrote:
| KDE developer myself, and happy Fedora user since 2009. Agreed,
| the Fedora team does a great job, also with keeping us
| developers happy by e.g. providing dependencies needed by the
| unreleased development versions.
| bravetraveler wrote:
| I really like working with 'mock' and 'fedpkg'; Fedora is a
| modern binary distribution, of course, but source rebuilds
| are like the same four commands away for any package
| wirybeige wrote:
| I've been using Fedora 42 since it branched, it has been quite
| nice; I haven't encountered any breaking bugs with it. Has gnome
| 48 which comes with HDR support. Hope that chromium can get
| support for it soon, MPV can already do it apparently, but
| haven't tried it; games have been hit & miss for it, but I
| presume those will get ironed out over time.
| nwah1 wrote:
| Excited about the new COSMIC spin, and remain excited about the
| progression of the existing Atomic desktop spins.
| bsimpson wrote:
| Nice that people have options. Setting up a desktop on your own
| isn't always easy.
|
| I tried COSMIC and was disappointed that it didn't work well on
| a touchscreen (a common refrain for Linux environments, and a
| motivator for me trying it out). Then again, it's still an
| alpha. Would be nice to see improvements there, but since it's
| from a laptop vendor, I don't have high expectations.
| nwah1 wrote:
| I think it looks good, and seems fairly modern. The settings
| app would probably work well on touchscreen, but I'm sure
| many apps wouldn't.
|
| Definitely still in alpha.
|
| I like the idea that it will be a bit more secure,
| automatically. Security needs to be taken much more
| seriously. Fedora Atomic means most userspace apps will be
| sandboxed via Flatpak, and the base system itself will be
| immutable.
|
| Flatpak needs a lot more love, though. Portals aren't as good
| as Android or iOS or Windows capability-based permissions
| yet. Many important apps just request full permissions,
| needlessly.
| staplung wrote:
| Gah! Why did they name their installer Anaconda? That name is
| already totally overloaded by the python Anaconda, which I notice
| now bills itself as "The Operating System for AI".
|
| That's like naming your programming language "JIT", or "Compiler"
| or..."Hack".
|
| UPDATE: as others have pointed out, I've got it backwards. RedHat
| had the name first. So, criticism retracted and redirected at the
| other Anaconda.
| jjice wrote:
| Leave it to Meta:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(programming_language)
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(installer) and
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(Python_distribution) ,
| the installer dates to 1999 and the python distro dates to
| 2012. So yes, the name is overloaded, but the installer came
| first, and came first by a lot.
| staplung wrote:
| Ah, okay. Criticism retracted from RedHat and redirected at
| (python) Anaconda.
| m4rtink wrote:
| And 1999 is just how far the Git history (imported from CVS,
| the project kinda skipped subversion directly to Git) goes. -
| The first commit is from April 24 1999 and says: "the very
| start of a gui frontend for anaconda":
|
| https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/commit/785d44bf73ccc.
| ..
|
| This kinda implies that Anaconda was in existence for some
| time back then & what was tracked in the newflangled change
| tracking software was the fancy new _graphical_ UI. :)
|
| I have not really looked further if perhaps the backend was
| imported later on or just grew from the GUI - but the same
| codebase, with continous 27 years of history is what installs
| the Fedora 42 Beta today. :-)
| m4rtink wrote:
| OK, managed to dig up even more Anaconda history, including
| origins of the name: https://anaconda-
| installer.readthedocs.io/en/latest/intro.ht...
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Interesting that that says
|
| > So the Anaconda code base that we all started with began
| in 1999 or so
|
| which implies that the pre-vcs history is pretty short.
| messe wrote:
| Their installer predates the python Anaconda before then a
| decade, before Python was even remotely as popular as today.
|
| But you're totally right, they obviously should have been more
| prescient and named it something else.
| twnrt wrote:
| Yes. Also Python itself was first released in 1991. The name
| "Python" had been in use in the CMUCL compiler for 6 years:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMU_Common_Lisp#History
|
| Certainly the Python trademark is sketchy.
| skyyler wrote:
| You should be asking why the python Anaconda overloaded a term
| already being used by the Red Hat installer.
| jjice wrote:
| I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu,
| especially because there's apparently better hardware support for
| Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from
| Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me,
| but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating
| everything between distributions, especially with different
| parent distros.
| wirybeige wrote:
| Moving between distros I usually just have files I care about
| like documents and music on their own drive so I don't need to
| worry about moving them. As for moving from Ubuntu to Fedora,
| there are more steps to getting non-free
| software/codecs/drivers working on Fedora, you will need RPM
| Fusion for that. There are relevant How-Tos provided by RPM
| Fusion and other sources for installing NVIDIA drivers, ffmpeg
| (non-free), and more.
| jjice wrote:
| Having all my actual files separately stored from my system
| files just makes so much sense. Good call. Right now they're
| mostly relegated to a few directories, but I'm not positive,
| which is part of the headache I'm worried about with a
| switch. Having them completely separate and symlinked is a
| great call.
| fanatic2pope wrote:
| I believe these days the "extra steps" amount to just
| clicking an option box to allow third party repositories
| during install.
|
| https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-
| gro...
| wirybeige wrote:
| It enables only a small selection of RPM Fusion as your
| link shows, ofc flathub gets around some of the need for
| RPM Fusion, like video codecs, as long as everything else
| your using is a flatpak (and uses the applicable runtimes).
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| I floated between Mint and Pop_OS for years, and now I'll
| probably never leave Fedora Silverblue. It's awesome. I just
| use different toolbox/distrobox for different things I need.
|
| Most of my dev work is in a Ubuntu distrobox and I use mostly
| Flatpaks for everything else.
| bsimpson wrote:
| For those who have heard of Bazzite, the frontrunner in
| gaming/home theater Linux distros, it's based on Silverblue.
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| I'm actually using a customized version of Universal Blue
| that Bazzite is also based on. Very slick setup
| nurettin wrote:
| I was pleasantly surprised to find official cuda repositories
| for fedora 41 for compiling llama.cpp. If you need such
| specific repos, make sure fedora supports them before
| switching.
| treve wrote:
| I switched about 2 years ago using my Dell XPS 13. No hardware
| issues and everything is just a bit less buggy. I wrote about
| it back then: https://evertpot.com/switching-to-fedora/
| toprerules wrote:
| Fedora uses more stock and Red Hat is a far, far bigger
| contributor to Linux and OS as a whole (especially the kernel
| and systemd). Fedora stays more true to the only OSS ethos. IMO
| Fedora is the better pick.
|
| If I had to use Ubuntu I would fight to use Debian instead.
| zifpanachr23 wrote:
| I agree very strongly with your take. Fedora (and RHEL of
| course) ooze professionalism in a way that no other distro
| ecosystem does to me.
|
| It's rock solid AND comes with relatively new packages, AND
| they are close to stock. I also appreciate their willingness
| to put themselves forward and show leadership when it comes
| to adopting (or creating) new technologies that can make the
| platform better. I think most professionals can agree at this
| point that despite little qualms and some early hiccups here
| and there, technologies like systemd and wayland (and others)
| were probably good ideas in the long run, and Fedora was
| consistently way out ahead in promoting and adopting them.
|
| I also tend to trust Red Hat (and yes even IBM) more than I
| do Canonical for a number of reasons.
| akdor1154 wrote:
| > Canonical gives off some weird vibes and those in the
| know will understand what I'm talking about.
|
| You're probably trying to write fairly and without throwing
| shade, but the result is this gives off vibes of FUD. Can
| you be a bit more specific about your issues with
| Canonical?
| zifpanachr23 wrote:
| You're right and I apologize for that and don't want to
| discourage anybody from doing business with or working
| with or for Canonical.
|
| All I'll say is that the recruitment process alone, if
| it's still as bad as it used to be, is a major red flag
| and deal breaker w.r.t what it says about the overall
| culture.
|
| Maybe things have changed and so people should really
| take my opinions about them with a grain of salt.
| scheme271 wrote:
| If you're referring to the recruitment asking questions
| about your high school performance and how you ranked
| locally and regionally in high school in various
| subjects, that's still a thing. Even for positions where
| that shouldn't matter.
| CIARobotFish wrote:
| I'm willing to put up with a lot during an application
| process, but not Canonical's circus. If applying for a
| job at a company tells you anything about the company's
| culture then I don't think I would ever want to work
| there.
| burkaman wrote:
| There are no positions where it should matter. Even if
| there were a genuine reason to care about high school
| grades (there isn't), asking about relative ranking
| doesn't make any sense unless you have detailed knowledge
| of the specific school they went to. It's like asking a
| candidate to rank their programming ability compared to
| their current colleagues. What possible information could
| you derive from this?
|
| Example application:
| https://canonical.com/careers/4676649/application
|
| > How did you perform in mathematics at high school?
|
| Predefined answers are "Top 0.01% in the region", "Top 5%
| at school", "Top 10% at school", etc.
|
| > Please share your rationale or evidence for the high
| school performance selections above. Make reference to
| provincial, state or nation-wide scoring systems,
| rankings, or recognition awards, or to competitive or
| selective college entrance results such as SAT or ACT
| scores, JAMB, matriculation results, IB results etc. We
| recognise every system is different but we will ask you
| to justify your selections above.
|
| These are required questions. Even if I were literally in
| high school, I'm not sure how I would be able to answer
| these. "Make reference to provincial, state or nation-
| wide scoring systems, rankings" - do these exist in the
| US? If they do I've never heard of them.
| chuckadams wrote:
| > "Make reference to provincial, state or nation-wide
| scoring systems, rankings" - do these exist in the US?
|
| They name a couple, SAT and ACT are still the main ones.
| Some states like New York have the Regents Exam which
| would be a statewide score. Demanding those scores is
| still just about the dumbest fucking thing I've seen a
| tech company do.
| fpoling wrote:
| Fedora often updates kernel and that already broke laptop
| support (Thinkpad X1 Gen 13 bought a year ago) for me twice
| requiring to revert to older kernel.
|
| Also few years ago a kernel update made a laptop that was 7
| years old non-functional. Eventually I had to install
| Debian as lack of security updates for the kernel was very
| problematic.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| exactly same sentiment here
| lreeves wrote:
| I moved my AMD Framework laptop from Ubuntu to Fedora, no real
| complaints. Having the newest kernel and Mesa stuff is pretty
| useful if you're doing any gaming on it.
| ndiddy wrote:
| One thing to note is that you have to set up codecs/video
| acceleration stuff manually on Fedora because of legal reasons.
| Here's a pretty good guide for that, it also has some suggested
| configuration tweaks for GNOME that make it a bit nicer to use.
| https://ounapuu.ee/posts/2024/10/14/fedora-starter-pack/
| tapoxi wrote:
| For those interested in the atomic versions, the Universal
| Blue team has variants that do all of this for you:
| https://universal-blue.org/
|
| It's not really a separate distro, more like a different
| configuration. The regular atomic release is the "base image"
| with the universal blue stuff overlayed on top. You can
| rebase to or from a universal blue image and a stock atomic
| one.
| runjake wrote:
| I prefer apt, but on my particular PC, Fedora is noticeably
| faster and more stable than Ubuntu. Not that I have system
| crashes, but I have smoother performance and gaming, and random
| GNOME apps crash much less on Fedora, so I use it. And there's
| no Snap -- unless you want it. YMMV.
| ustad wrote:
| I switched from Ubuntu to Debian about two months ago after my
| system crashed while trying to update. Since then, Debian has
| been rock-solid, running much smoother and more efficiently. No
| more dealing with Snap packages and similar annoyances. If
| you're disciplined about not messing with the OS, keeping your
| files organized and backed up, and using containers, switching
| between distros and operating systems becomes pretty seamless.
| danieldk wrote:
| FWIW, slightly less relevant to coming from Ubuntu
| specifically, I would use Fedora if I wasn't using NixOS. It
| has so many things going for it:
|
| - A strong focus on security, one of the few distributions to
| use SELinux. They were very active in pushing verified boot.
| Early adoption of Flatpak, which has seen better and better
| sandboxing over time.
|
| - Very fresh. So you get the latest & greatest GNOME, etc. and
| even after a release a lot of packages are actively maintained
| and updated. I have generally found that this leads to a more
| stable system, since bugs get fixed more quickly.
|
| - Since Fedora is very up-to-date, hardware support is also
| very good.
|
| - Their immutable/atomic distributions (e.g. Silverblue) are
| awesome. Immutable boot, atomic upgrades/rollbacks, etc.
| seabrookmx wrote:
| I run Ubuntu everywhere except my Framework, because at the
| time Fedora was shipping a newer kernel that had better 12th
| Gen Intel support.
|
| I formatted ext4 with LUKS because it's what I'm used to, but
| honestly Fedora has been great. Add flathub, a few gnome
| extensions (same ones I'd use in Ubuntu) and it's basically the
| same experience.
|
| Without knowing what you're migrating I can't really speak to
| that. I use a pretty light toolset and heavily lean on remote
| dev (VS Code SSH extension).
| skyyler wrote:
| Excited that the partitioning portion of the installer is
| reworked - that has been a pain point for recommending Fedora to
| newbies.
|
| Really excited that the KDE version is ascended from spin to
| Edition! That's what I use for my desktop at home.
| phkahler wrote:
| >> that has been a pain point for recommending Fedora to
| newbies.
|
| I've been running Fedora for 20 years and I still can't
| navigate that part of the install process. The combination of
| partitions and LLVM - which I don't need - and that part of the
| install setup... ooof. And try to reuse anything already on
| disk? I never can get it.
|
| Thank God upgrades are seamless now so I don't have to use the
| installer.
|
| BTW it's just the disk layout part I have a problem with.
| Everything else is great.
| johnisgood wrote:
| Wayland has not been working for me properly though. I may give
| it another go so I'll be able to provide you an exhaustive list
| of what is not working properly, for now though, perhaps other
| people could chime in.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| What doesn't work properly?
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| My biggest gripe with Wayland is screen sharing/remote
| desktop. For my desktop PC I could just install RealVNC and
| have access to it on any of my devices anywhere in the world.
| I still haven't found a good solution for Wayland. I'm using
| RDP right now but it really sucks in comparison so far.
|
| Slack screen share is kind of hit and miss as well. Not to
| mention screen capture being less than ideal.
| rcarmo wrote:
| Install xorgxrdp-glamor and openh264. That will give you
| GPU-accelerated UI rendering and a much faster video
| stream.
|
| https://taoofmac.com/space/notes/2025/01/05/1730#h-264-stre
| a... (these packages have already been mainlined, I think)
| modzu wrote:
| literally the only thing that works better (and not worse) on
| wayland is fractional scaling, and it is still not great :D.
| but thats partly how fedora drives the whole ecosystem
| forward
| modzu wrote:
| not sure why youre being downvoted, wayland as default is
| probably the biggest thing to flag for new users coming from
| any other distro
| nasir wrote:
| Using Fedora 3 as my first linux distro makes seeing this
| nostalgic.
| xd1936 wrote:
| Fedora Core 6 here!
| mythz wrote:
| Been a happy Fedora Desktop user since switching from 20+ years
| of Windows last year. Had a few hiccups at the start of last year
| with NVIDIA drivers in Wayland but that's since been resolved
| with Explicit sync support.
|
| Happy there's been no signs enshittification of Fedora from
| Redhat, it's a just a clean polished well maintain modern distro,
| great option if you're a dev switching from Windows.
| benatkin wrote:
| I've been using Podman on Fedora on Lima (Mac OS) with rootless
| containers based on Fedora rather than from Docker Hub for
| fullstack web dev. I'm ready to use Rocky Linux or RHEL for some
| production stuff if I find it more suitable for something and
| have used Rocky Linux a fair bit. I've really grown to like
| Fedora and have switched to it from Ubuntu. They have systems for
| building OCI images that are interesting and useful, and related
| to buildpacks. https://src.fedoraproject.org/container/s2i-base
| captn3m0 wrote:
| Asahi also has the 42 Beta available today:
| https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-...
|
| Notably with FEX support for running x86 binaries.
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX
| virtualwhys wrote:
| Was just in an Apple Store yesterday mulling over whether or
| not to switch back to macOS after 15 years on Linux PCs.
|
| Both MacBook Pros and Airs are nice machines, but macOS, for
| me, it's a huge step back.
|
| Unfortunately the Asahi project is underfunded (likely one of
| the reasons the project founder/lead jumped ship recently), and
| as a result M4 support is likely a year+ away.
|
| Oh wells, let's see what Dell and Lenovo have on offer this
| spring/summer. Should be able to get a pretty decent PC laptop
| for less than the $4k+ an MBP 16" with 2TB/64GB will cost.
| dpool wrote:
| Might be worth taking a look at https://frame.work/.
| tapoxi wrote:
| I love my Framework 14. I'm absolutely sticking with this
| company for all future PCs.
| mwinatschek wrote:
| I'd love to try out their products, but as an European it
| could become a problem in the near future that they're an
| US-based company.
| extraduder_ire wrote:
| Why? They operate via multiple subsidiaries (the EU one
| is registered in Eindhoven), most notably Singapore and
| Taiwan, and do their main manufacturing in Taiwan.
| virtualwhys wrote:
| Until now I'd only heard of Framework laptops, but am blown
| away by the build-your-own process -- incredible, spec the
| machine just as you want it.
|
| Going to dive into the details now, thanks...
| zdragnar wrote:
| If you don't need a discrete graphics card and want maximum
| battery life, LG gram laptops are totally worth a look. I
| could easily write code and develop all day without plugging
| in at all.
| threePointFive wrote:
| I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on
| desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server
| usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not
| supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker.
| Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle
| with the option to do major version upgrades.
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