[HN Gopher] Ogres Are Cool
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Ogres Are Cool
Author : Vigier
Score : 82 points
Date : 2025-03-15 03:28 UTC (2 days ago)
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| piperswe wrote:
| https://archive.is/POXh6
| mitchbob wrote:
| Review of _The Brothers Grimm: A Biography_
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Ogres are like networks. Networks have layers, Ogres have layers.
| They both have layers.
| PeterWhittaker wrote:
| ...as does parfait.
| taneq wrote:
| This was an interesting Tor of some memes.
| BizarroLand wrote:
| And they are both terrifying and make you cry? -Person who has
| done cisco networking
| 01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote:
| Ogre Systems Interconnection standard model?
| babygetoboy wrote:
| I thought this said Orgies Are Cool on first glance..
| Sysreq2 wrote:
| They are most certainly not. It suffers from the nude beach
| paradox: Anyone who wants you to see them naked, is not someone
| you want to see naked.
| throwway120385 wrote:
| It's an odd paradox, since people go to nude beaches to be
| nude, not to be seen naked.
| short_sells_poo wrote:
| I think parent was let down by the wording. The paradox is:
| "the people who go to the nude beach to be naked are not
| the people you actually want to see naked".
|
| There's no implication that the people who go there want to
| be seen naked, just that they aren't easy on the eyes (of
| any innocent bystanders).
| rrr_oh_man wrote:
| You've been the wrong parties, my friend. (Or you don't have
| the right kinks)
| rrr_oh_man wrote:
| Probably downvoted by the Virtuous Valley Virgins
| juggernaut420 wrote:
| "in the United States sometimes spelled lede"
| clauderoux wrote:
| There's an error in the text. It says they were Huguenots who
| left after the Edict of Nantes, which is not true. They left
| after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685, which had
| protected Huguenots until then. This last edict is called the
| Edict of Fontainebleau. So they left after the Edict of
| Fontainebleau.
| ZeroGravitas wrote:
| So it's still technically correct in a Mitch Hedbergian sense?
| jagged-chisel wrote:
| After the Edict. But also after the revocation of the Edict.
|
| I suppose one could also say "After the Edict" as if "the
| Edict" were the period of time it was in effect.
|
| (enhancing parent comment, not arguing)
| n1b0m wrote:
| I'd never heard of him before. This is why I love HN :)
| pchristensen wrote:
| You're in for a treat!
| zusammen wrote:
| Fantasy is such an underappreciated genre. I recently read an ARC
| on RoyalRoad of all places by one of our own (it's called
| Farisa's Crossing) and was blown away.
|
| The way I explain it to my friends who only read contemporary
| literary fiction is that fantasy is what we've been doing as
| storytellers for thousands of years, which means there's a lot of
| implicit knowledge in the craft when done at the highest levels.
| I also enjoy literary fiction for the writing and the sheer
| talent it takes to make ordinary, believable events nearly
| fantastic--or at least compelling--but it's not either/ or and
| the idea that there's some hierarchy of genres is hogwash.
| gunian wrote:
| as a ugly person was hoping this was the inception of the ogre
| lives matter movement but was disappointed lol
| jhbadger wrote:
| On this site, I was thinking this would be referring to Ogres in
| the Steve Jackson sense of autonomous AI supertanks featured in
| the the classic board game (and several computer games since)
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_(board_game)
| Imustaskforhelp wrote:
| I really read it as orges and I was so confused as how it can
| bypass hackernews's t&c
| adamc wrote:
| This was just splendid.
| no-dr-onboard wrote:
| read this as "ogress", thinking it was some new variant of
| postgresql. My mind has been destroyed by HN!
| thayne wrote:
| Ogress means a female Ogre
| layer8 wrote:
| PostgreSQL, former name Postgres, is the successor of INGRES =
| INteractive Graphics REtrieval System. Maybe OGRES is the
| Original Gangster REtrieval System.
| drfuzzy89 wrote:
| This was a really great article. This part stood out to me in
| particular:
|
| > But what these tales are absolutely forbidden from representing
| is any agent or action that falls into the social class or milieu
| of the people who chiefly collected and read them. So the Grimms'
| own world of government employees, highly literate women,
| libraries and universities is perhaps the most profoundly
| forbidden space of the folk tale. Indeed you might even say that
| not including that world is what makes a tale seem folkish,
| rather than, say, novelish. Part of the fiction of the Volk is
| that there is an absolute social void between the princes, the
| kings, the princesses on the one hand, and the tailors,
| discharged soldiers, huntsmen, kitchen maids and impoverished
| forest dwellers on the other.
|
| I wonder why we don't see this perspective more often in modern
| popular fantasy. It seems that for the most part, they stick
| close to Tolkien or Arthurian models, primarily following the
| exploits of kings and knights. Even the popular fantasy authors
| who actively seek to subvert the genre's tropes tend to stick
| close to that perspective. And when we are treated to the
| perspective of a "common" person, they often turn out to have
| been born special for some reason, soon finding out they're some
| powerful person's lost heir or the subject of some prophecy, with
| the character being swept off into the world of the ruling class.
| Obviously, a lot of folk tales end with the commoner running off
| with a prince or princess, which isn't terribly dissimilar, but I
| don't remember Cinderella or Snow White being special beyond
| being pretty and charming.
|
| It may be a blind spot of my own, but I can't think of many
| examples of fantasy with truly common folk as the primary
| perspective.
| shoubidouwah wrote:
| The Sad Tale of the Brothers Grossbart is definitely one, as
| well as a bunch of the "big epics" like the Malazan empire /
| The annals of the Black Company?
|
| It may be less common than "high castles", but that is either
| because of opportunity cost (non-special characters do not
| survive well this kind of world, so their stories are either
| short or picaresque) or feature creep if they start from the
| bottom: if you want an uplifting tale, upwards mobility is
| needed and at some point only the king is up...
| protocolture wrote:
| >It may be a blind spot of my own, but I can't think of many
| examples of fantasy with truly common folk as the primary
| perspective.
|
| How common and how fantastic?
|
| Conan is a hillman. He just becomes more accomplished over
| time.
|
| Fafyrd is from a frozen waste, trained as a skald. Notable only
| because he left his tribe interested in civilization.
|
| Vaatzes from KJ Parkers Engineer Trilogy is foreman. A really
| good engineer, but replaced instantly when he is banished.
|
| Sort of inverted with Saevus Corax, where the main guy is
| trying really hard not to be royalty, and so he scavenges dead
| people on battlefields for a living hoping no one will find
| him.
| Rygian wrote:
| I wanted to cite a specific book by a great author here, but even
| hinting at it constitutes a major spoiler.
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