[HN Gopher] "Have Quotes About Salieri"
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"Have Quotes About Salieri"
Author : tintinnabula
Score : 37 points
Date : 2025-03-13 17:14 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| moomin wrote:
| It feels like the start of this article establishes three
| interesting questions and the rest of it fails to answer them.
| jovas wrote:
| It upsets me that the only widely available versions of Amadeus
| now is the "extended edition," which fundamentally alters the
| film's core message.
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| In the original theatrical cut, Salieri is a deeply flawed but
| fascinating character--a man consumed by jealousy, yet also in
| awe of Mozart's genius. His sabotage of Mozart is tragic, not
| just because of what it does to Mozart, but because Salieri
| himself recognizes the beauty he is trying to destroy. There's a
| complexity there: Salieri hates Mozart, but he also admires him.
| He wishes, more than anything, that he could be his friend, but
| he cannot overcome his own bitterness.
|
| The extended edition, however, adds a crucial change: Salieri
| doesn't just work against Mozart--he actively humiliates Mozart's
| wife, Constanze. This transforms Salieri from a tormented,
| conflicted figure into something much simpler: a villain. Instead
| of a man waging a war against God through Mozart, he's just a
| petty, lecherous schemer.
|
| The real Antonio Salieri was not some scheming villain--he was a
| respected composer, teacher, and conductor who mentored some of
| the greatest musicians of the next generation, including
| Beethoven, Schubert, and Liszt.
| mikepurvis wrote:
| The newly released 4K restoration is the original theatrical
| version:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/Amadeus-4K-Ultra-Digital-UHD/dp/B0DQQ...
| jhbadger wrote:
| And while there was some discord between Salieri and Mozart in
| real life, it was more like friendly rivals rather than enemies
| -- they even collaborated on at least one piece
| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/A-German-Composer-...
| jeffreyrogers wrote:
| I'm not sure if this is the case for the screenplay, but for
| the actual play the playwright (who also wrote the screenplay)
| rewrote the ending at least 6 times over 20 years and multiple
| productions. The version of the play I read is similar to what
| you describe as the original theatrical cut.
| jancsika wrote:
| > Beethoven
|
| The mythical rivalry should be with Beethoven, not Mozart!
|
| True tidbits:
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| * Beethoven actually referred to Salieri as his "most active
| opponent" (Solomon's translation)
|
| * Salieri criticized Beethoven's opera _Fidelio_ (as did a lot
| of other composers of the time)
|
| * Salieri didn't like Beethoven's late works. And apparently he
| critiqued them so hard that he even caused Schubert, another of
| his students, to not like Beethoven's music for a short time.
|
| Armed just with that I could probably work slowly but surely
| over time to turn all of HN full Q-anon on a Salieri vs.
| Beethoven conspiracy. But I'll be good and vaccinate everyone
| here-- Beethoven _also_ had a difficult relationship with his
| other famous teacher Joseph Haydn. He was quite a moody guy!
| And Salieri was a good sport-- he even sat in to play drums on
| _Wellington 's Victory_. So in reality it's just good clean
| musical friends having some fun.
| chasil wrote:
| "Salieri didn't like Beethoven's late works."
|
| I remember that the concert introducing the fifth and sixth
| symphonies was widely criticized. This was mid-life, not
| late.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven_concert_of_22_Dece.
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