[HN Gopher] UK petition to keep Apple data encrypted
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UK petition to keep Apple data encrypted
Author : latexr
Score : 44 points
Date : 2025-03-11 17:16 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (you.38degrees.org.uk)
(TXT) w3m dump (you.38degrees.org.uk)
| daveoc64 wrote:
| Why is this on a site that wants you to sign up for marketing,
| rather than the GOV.UK petitions site?
| gambiting wrote:
| Has there ever been any petition in the UK that has achieved any
| effect other than "thanks we'll think about it"?
| nadermx wrote:
| Great example of "well think about it"
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE&pp=ygUhc2tpdCBraWx...
| Crosseye_Jack wrote:
| After 50k signatures asked for Jeremy Clarkson to be appointed
| PM, Downing Street said Nah -
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNy1w4DV5Hw
| Jigsy wrote:
| Petitions don't work on the whole. afaik, they exist to the
| give the public the illusion that their opinion matters.
|
| A slightly cynical take, but accurate none-the-less.
| sph wrote:
| The UK petitions website exists solely to appease the naive
| electorate, if it worked they'd have shut it down already.
|
| It's the equivalent of those door buttons in elevators. "Give
| them something to do when they're restless."
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _Has there ever been any petition in the UK_
|
| Online petitions are useless for anything beyond harvesting a
| list of potential donors.
|
| The value in a petition or protest is in demonstrating
| commitment. If you're willing to fill in a paper form and/or
| show up somewhere inconvenient, you're might also be willing to
| phone bank (and petition for) a primary opponent.
|
| Online petitions do none of that. If an issue has lots of
| online petitions and nothing else, it's almost a sign that its
| base is electorally useless.
| Jigsy wrote:
| There's actually a solution to this problem which I stumbled on a
| few days ago.
|
| Obviously we cannot allow backdoors, and people should have their
| stuff encrypted, and if the UK's authortarian government wants to
| know what's being said they should do their job and crack the
| encryption.
|
| So realistically the UK could just make it illegal to use any
| encryption algorithm other than DES for anything... in the UK
| anyway.
| sph wrote:
| Good job, but the assignment here is not figuring out how the
| UK can more easily destroy the privacy of their citizens.
| harvey9 wrote:
| If you use anything stronger than ROT13 you're probably a
| wrong'un
| Cryptoclidus wrote:
| So, is this the UK gov testing the waters or is Apple the only
| company that didn't quietly aquiesce when handed a secret order?
| greatgib wrote:
| Instead of petition, people should wake up and vote better for
| their representatives...
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _Instead of petition, people should wake up and vote_
|
| Agreed.
|
| "Turnout at the 2024 general election was 59.7%, which was the
| lowest at a general election since 2001. Turnout was 7.6
| percentage points lower than in 2019" [1].
|
| https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/general-election-2024-t...
| pqtyw wrote:
| That doesn't work for issues that are of secondary or tertiary
| importance from the perspective of almost all voters.
|
| Especially in horrible electoral systems like the ones in UK
| you have to pick the least bad out of 2 options (every vote for
| third party is wasted).
|
| I also really doubt that conservatives would behave any
| differently.
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