[HN Gopher] Anti-Schelling points and waiting for my barista-mad...
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Anti-Schelling points and waiting for my barista-made coffee
Author : Tomte
Score : 19 points
Date : 2025-03-07 10:38 UTC (2 days ago)
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| khelavastr wrote:
| Voronoi centers!
| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| Just sell black coffee and let the customer add in other stuff if
| they want it
| harrison_clarke wrote:
| this is the other solution: it doesn't really matter if the
| queue is a bit out of order, if they all get the same thing
| with little delay
| astrange wrote:
| The milk preparation is where the barista's skill comes in.
|
| It's much harder to make black coffee so well you'd want a
| professional for it. I think Glitch Coffee in Tokyo is the only
| place I've ever been that I've felt is worth it.
|
| (Anti-bonus points to Philz in SV, which has the aesthetic of a
| specialty coffee place but actually sells Starbucks-style
| "totally burnt coffee with tons of cream added" products except
| worse.)
| bongodongobob wrote:
| People don't go to those places for a plain black coffee.
| zomglings wrote:
| I'm not sure everyone in a country "knowing" to drive on the same
| side of the road is an example of a Schelling point -- drivers
| are trained to do this.
|
| Also not sure if fads, like "everyone orders a flat white", are
| instances of Schelling points, but that seems more reasonable as
| a Schelling point than driving on the same side of the road.
|
| More generally, didn't really understand the point of this
| article. I guess the author is trying to say that as technology
| improves, people are gaining the ability to customize their
| experiences. Framing this as "anti-Schelling points" doesn't make
| sense to me - what shared game is being played? At its most game-
| like, you could say that people are just trying to maximize their
| own utility without worrying (or having to worry) about shared
| economy of scale.
| harrison_clarke wrote:
| in the case of drink orders, there's a slight benefit to
| ordering something unique (at least unique within the queue
| you're standing in). you don't have to remember your place in
| line, or negotiate with someone else about who was there first
|
| the space of possible drink orders isn't so large that you'll
| be collision-free by default (like UUIDs), so there's some
| incentive to guess what other people will order, and adjust
| your order to avoid collisions
| brookst wrote:
| "I have a flat white for Steve" is comedy gold at a crowded
| starbucks.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > in the case of drink orders, there's a slight benefit to
| ordering something unique (at least unique within the queue
| you're standing in). you don't have to remember your place in
| line, or negotiate with someone else about who was there
| first
|
| A normally-functioning vendor would call out the completed
| order by order number, so this problem just can't arise. You
| can't take someone else's order identical to yours any more
| than you can take someone else's order for ten times as much
| food as you purchased.
| tedunangst wrote:
| The point is you can talk about game theory if you make
| everything about game theory.
| ano-ther wrote:
| > I'm not sure everyone in a country "knowing" to drive on the
| same side of the road is an example of a Schelling point --
| drivers are trained to do this.
|
| The driving side is usually also the walking side. When I
| travel to a country with another orientation, I bump into
| people on the sidewalk or corridors a few times before
| adjusting. Same on the way back, all without driving a car
| myself.
| dave4420 wrote:
| What's with all the flags hovering round the page? Very
| distracting, worse than most adverts.
| jw_cook wrote:
| Other readers' cursors. You can turn that off with the 'quiet
| mode' toggle in the upper right.
| more_corn wrote:
| Wtf is that background
| pinerd3 wrote:
| Strongly disagree with this:
|
| > I think the variety in barista coffee is different from the
| variety in, say, fashion or wine because with fashion and wine
| there is social signalling and all kinds of things going on
|
| Sounds like OP just doesn't care about coffee thst much. Fine for
| them, but any subject has a subculture; there are definitely
| social signaling games within the coffee world
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