[HN Gopher] Explore Sutro Tower
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       Explore Sutro Tower
        
       Author : archagon
       Score  : 63 points
       Date   : 2025-03-05 01:30 UTC (3 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (explore.sutrotower.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (explore.sutrotower.com)
        
       | dtagames wrote:
       | There's probably cool information here but these kind of
       | "interactive" presentations should have stayed in the 90's where
       | they came from. The designers of this app add all kinds of
       | unnecessary navigation and hid everything under tiny sections
       | with only tidbits of info.
       | 
       | Don't treat adults like your content is Sesame Street. Let us
       | read stuff, even long stuff, and give us multiple links (not one
       | button per section) like the web was designed for.
        
         | bloomingeek wrote:
         | Had our morning coffee yet? :)
        
         | jahsome wrote:
         | The web was explicitly designed with no design. That's like,
         | the whole point man. If you don't like it, there are literally
         | billions of other pages for you to check out and even in this
         | case, a convenient button for you to click to "vote" your
         | displeasure.
         | 
         | People are allowed to like things that don't make sense to you
         | or that you don't like. The fact that diversity exists is what
         | makes the internet beautiful.
        
         | ipdashc wrote:
         | I think there is room for innovative
         | presentations/visualizations, but yeah, I have to agree this
         | one just misses the mark. Between the various transitions and
         | fades it takes an annoying amount of time to navigate between
         | pages. The 3D transitions between scenes are flashy but, again,
         | slow and don't really add anything. And they went to all this
         | effort of getting 3D models of the inside, but your camera is
         | fixed in place and can barely even rotate around? And you can't
         | zoom? So all you get is a blurry, murky view. A standard photo
         | album would genuinely have been better.
         | 
         | The 360-degree view from the top is cool, though.
         | 
         | For anyone else who was mostly curious to see the interior
         | shots, Jeff Geerling has a great pair of videos where he and
         | his father go inside a similar broadcast site:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_u8x8V4YYs
        
       | gnabgib wrote:
       | Related _Show HN: Immersive Gaussian Splat experience of Sutro
       | Tower, San Francisco_ (825 points, 12 days ago, 193 comments)
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43120582
        
       | dougb5 wrote:
       | Sutro Tower's height is boosted by the fact that it sits on Mt.
       | Sutro. It reaches 1,811 feet above sea level, just higher than
       | the tallest building in the US (One World Trade Center in NYC, at
       | 1776 feet).
       | 
       | I like to mention this fun fact to my visiting friends from New
       | York, conveniently overlooking any higher-elevation buildings in
       | Denver.
        
         | onionisafruit wrote:
         | Am I misreading this or are you giving a measure where a single
         | story house in Nebraska would be taller than Sutro or WTC?
        
           | bdavbdav wrote:
           | Yeah this makes no sense at all. A tent at base camp Everest
           | is significantly taller.
        
             | TOGoS wrote:
             | Hence 'conveniently overlooking'.
        
             | BobaFloutist wrote:
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
        
           | zamadatix wrote:
           | What's the point in introducing Nebraska when they already
           | said the same thing about Denver? The point is to be a
           | humorous comparison and it works better than most such
           | comparisons in that regard because the tower is both actually
           | pretty tall itself plus only 3 miles from the ocean.
        
           | walrus01 wrote:
           | broadcast facilities in the VHF/TV range bands benefit most
           | from what's called HAAT - height above average terrain. This
           | is why the midwest has 1800' tall guyed broadcast towers in
           | places that don't have any conveniently placed mountains. And
           | why the broadcast sites near Seattle and Vancouver are all on
           | mountains, or at least large-ish sized hills.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_above_average_terrain
        
           | biker142541 wrote:
           | The point is that the relative elevation difference is more
           | similar to skyscrapers. You look down from there (or even
           | Twin Peaks) and you are towering over sea level locations and
           | can see extremely far on clear days.
        
           | barnabee wrote:
           | Depends what you're measuring. Sutro Tower's prominence[0] is
           | almost certainly greater than the house in Nebraska and
           | probably most of the buildings in Denver too (though possibly
           | there's some comms equipment or ski infrastructure that could
           | beat it?)
           | 
           | [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographic_prominence
        
         | creeble wrote:
         | Since it can be commonly viewed from literal sea level (like
         | the shoreline of the ocean or San Francisco Bay), it's more
         | apropos.
        
       | nielsbot wrote:
       | Are there others think Sutro Tower is an eyesore or is it just
       | me?
       | 
       | (Very cool app BTW)
        
         | cylinder714 wrote:
         | #TeamSutro
        
         | nickvec wrote:
         | I wasn't a huge fan when I first moved to SF (thought it looked
         | a bit dystopian), but it's grown on me over the years.
        
         | rickyyean wrote:
         | Even when it looks like a floating pirate ship when it's foggy?
        
         | BurningFrog wrote:
         | It does have an "alien space ship" vibe to it.
         | 
         | I enjoy that, but I get why others would not.
        
         | mlinksva wrote:
         | Pity it isn't blocked by skyscrapers of greater height, but
         | other than that I don't mind it.
        
       | jcl wrote:
       | I hiked up there once... There was a reservoir with a trail
       | around it and, to my surprise, a fenced-off area full of goats.
       | Apparently they were part of a vegetation control program used in
       | the parks there.
        
         | CaliforniaKarl wrote:
         | That's not unusual! BART and, I believe, Caltrain also use them
         | for vegetation management on their rights-of-way.
        
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