[HN Gopher] Merlion: A Machine Learning Framework for Time Serie...
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       Merlion: A Machine Learning Framework for Time Series Intelligence
        
       Author : klaussilveira
       Score  : 157 points
       Date   : 2025-02-28 18:59 UTC (1 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (github.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
        
       | guskel wrote:
       | The "Comparison with Related Libraries" section is notably
       | missing comparison against aeon and sktime, which also aim to be
       | the kind of holistic time-series library like Merlion.
        
         | lamename wrote:
         | I don't see `tsai` in there either
        
           | dataviz1000 wrote:
           | I don't see Uber's Orbit either [0].
           | 
           | [0] https://github.com/uber/orbit
        
         | mvATM99 wrote:
         | The comparison in general is quite poor. Where is a basic model
         | list? You know, one of the biggest choices when forecasting...
         | 
         | Also, when saying "Nixtla" do they mean TimeGPT or one of their
         | other libraries? Because the former definitely supports
         | exogenous regressors, while they say it doesn't.
         | 
         | I personally prefer Darts because it's very user-friendly, and
         | the devs are responsive,
        
       | jldugger wrote:
       | I do wish these were easier to integrate with prometheus or
       | graphite. They both have rudimentary forecasting models but both
       | leave much to be desired in parameterization.
        
         | esafak wrote:
         | Same here. The open source space here is neglected. I just
         | heard about Grafana's augurs: https://github.com/grafana/augurs
        
       | xnx wrote:
       | Is this a competitor to Google's TimeFM?
       | https://github.com/google-research/timesfm
        
         | macleginn wrote:
         | TimeFM is a single pre-trained decoder-only model for time-
         | series forecasting. Merlion is a collection of models, both
         | neural and more traditional, for a wide variety of time-series-
         | related tasks. I can imagine TimeFM ending up in the set
         | eventually, given right circumstances.
        
           | xnx wrote:
           | Thanks for the summary explainer. Very hard to keep up with
           | the abundance of models if you don't work directly in that
           | area.
        
         | eric-burel wrote:
         | Salesforce is building Moirai for that part
         | https://www.salesforce.com/blog/moirai/
        
       | ValentineC wrote:
       | Hopefully Salesforce Legal cleared everything surrounding this
       | project's name and logo:
       | 
       | https://www.stb.gov.sg/about-stb/stb-brand-assets#94e2cb04e4...
       | 
       | That said, it also looks like this project has been around for 3+
       | years without issue.
        
         | daveguy wrote:
         | Your link includes the following points about the law that
         | established the Merlion as a symbol/logo for the tourism board,
         | which makes me think their variation is fine:
         | STB does not own copyright for variations of the Merlion
         | Symbol, unless these variations were specifically commissioned
         | by STB.              STB does not own copyright for any works
         | which incorporate variations of the Merlion Symbol.
         | Users are solely responsible for obtaining any other necessary
         | approvals, permissions, and licences as may be required under
         | law, e.g., Copyright Act 2021.
         | 
         | In other words, they don't own the concept of a mermaid-lion
         | chimera. Or the name "merlion".
        
           | phantomathkg wrote:
           | STB promotes the use of the Merlion Symbol as a symbol of
           | Singapore appearing in works incorporating the symbol or any
           | representation *resembling* it (e.g., commercial product
           | packaging, artwork, etc.). Any individual, organisation, or
           | company ("User") may apply to STB for permission to use the
           | Merlion Symbol or a symbol or representation resembling it.
        
       | theanonymousone wrote:
       | A warm welcome to the new buzzword expression "Time series
       | intelligence", further muddying the water of AI terminology and
       | confusing everyone.
        
         | janalsncm wrote:
         | Time series is an established term. For example predicting an
         | earthquake from a sequence of events, or a stock price change,
         | etc.
         | 
         | I never worked very seriously with time series problems, but I
         | know enough from the title to know I can't evaluate how good
         | this thing is.
        
         | serginho wrote:
         | Same here!
         | 
         | Notice that time series database is Prometheus.
        
       | serginho wrote:
       | Watch YouTube President videos or collect GitHub links? What to
       | do?
        
       | serginho wrote:
       | Bump! AI is important.
       | 
       | Bump! Old enterprise company by the way.
        
       | TNWin wrote:
       | How does this compare to AutoGluon's Time Series AutoML?
        
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