[HN Gopher] What do people see when they're tripping? Analyzing ...
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What do people see when they're tripping? Analyzing Erowid's trip
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Author : cainxinth
Score : 117 points
Date : 2025-02-25 12:27 UTC (4 days ago)
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| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| I tried 2C-E a couple times a long time ago. I think it was a
| relatively low dose. It was really interesting how mentally I
| felt mostly sober. But the visuals were so intense I got motion
| sick. It started out with tracers as I waved my hand. The
| textured paint on the walls looked extra 3D and the walls started
| to breath. The swirly pattern on the bathroom linoleum looked
| like chocolate milk. My posters turned into cartoons. And when it
| was all overwhelming and the motion sickness really kicked in, I
| closed my eyes and was greeted by fractal machines that built the
| molecules of the world.
|
| I don't recall any really profound thoughts, introspection, or
| feelings of intoxication. Which was a strange difference to me
| compared to things like 4-ACO-DMT and LSD, but I liked it.
| Euphorbium wrote:
| I dont like visual only drugs. That is like watching a
| screensaver for a few hours.
| chinabison wrote:
| Did you also get the uncomfortable bodyload that 2C-E is
| notorious for?
| zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
| Yeah, I think it didn't come on for a while. I spent probably
| the 2nd half of my trips just laying down watching the closed
| eye visuals because my stomach hurts and I felt nauseated
| when I walked around or looked at stuff for too long.
| FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
| 2C-B was more my thing (when I could get it).
|
| Fast and powerful. Like LSD but without the 12 hour trip plus
| body aches.
| mathieuh wrote:
| 2C-B never had any headspace effects for me except in very
| high insufflated doses (and even then it was minimal), taking
| normal doses orally would just give me a couple of hours of
| visuals. For me it was nothing like LSD in terms of
| headspace.
| throwaway183785 wrote:
| Agree - my experience with 2C-B was that it was almost
| entirely visual (tracers and such), with a very subtle mood
| lift, akin to very weak MDMA.
|
| 2C-E on the other hand sent me to some extremely trippy
| places. 2C-P is a fascinating one to read about too (though
| I've never tried it.)
| FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
| I only ever vaporised 2C-B. usually I would get a full
| intense trip that lasts about 30 minutes and then very
| little after effects. A hit was also about $10 at the time
| (decades ago). Quality was good considering I was at one
| the top chemical engineering schools in the world.
| NickC25 wrote:
| Have no idea what variant of LSD I last consumed, but I remember
| some deep feelings of profound thoughts and self-reflection quite
| almost instantly when the stuff "hit" (maybe 30-45 minutes after
| ingestion), I was still cognizant enough to be able to write it
| all down. Some of what I wrote was indeed stuff I needed to work
| on in my own life and it was pretty helpful.
|
| I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch realizing that
| the entire concept of time is a manmade construct that is
| absolutely meaningless and irrelevant in the grand scheme of the
| universe. All this while watching golf on TV (which followed a
| golfer who posted the lowest final round score ever at a major).
| I have no idea how the TV turned on, and why I didn't turn it
| off.
|
| LSD is fucking wild.
| BobbyTables2 wrote:
| I think watching golf on TV would make time seem pretty
| meaningless for a lot of people too!
| uwagar wrote:
| i like the quiet vibes in general
| westmeal wrote:
| Sometimes it just hits in such a way that you have no idea wtf
| is happening. One time I couldn't read because letters just
| didn't have meaning any more. It looked like alien unicode
| characters or some shit.
| guardian5x wrote:
| Isn't that kinda scary? I mean when some parts of your brains
| don't work or not work properly?
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| Depends on your attitude.
|
| I consider life and reality incredibly, painfully boring.
|
| That's why I LOVE alternate states of mind, even if they
| are scary.
|
| Nothing excites me more than the prospect of feeling thing
| and seeing things I have not experienced before.
| LoganDark wrote:
| > Nothing excites me more than the prospect of feeling
| thing and seeing things I have not experienced before.
|
| absolutely same
| monktastic1 wrote:
| > I consider life and reality incredibly, painfully
| boring.
|
| Interesting. The main benefit I've gotten from
| psychedelics (mostly mushrooms) is that all of life /
| reality is impossibly miraculous -- even, paradoxically,
| when it seems dreadfully boring. And also that I've
| somehow always known this, even when it feels like I've
| forgotten. It's always right there, just waiting (
| _begging_ ) to be noticed. It's the ultimate cosmic joke.
| chrisweekly wrote:
| +1 Insightful
|
| Also, your website (https://www.lifeismiraculous.org) is
| awesome. Echoes of Bertrand Tolle and Alan Watts. Thanks
| for publishing it and putting it in your profile!
| ForTheKidz wrote:
| This framing never made much sense to me. It's incredible
| to be alive at all of course, but miraculous compared to
| what? I've found it best in these situations to quietly
| appreciate rather than trying to reify some ontology for
| contemplation--which is, after all, a distraction from
| appreciation itself in the moment, something largely akin
| to meditation.
|
| The easiest way to experience some of the feelings you
| get from tripping is, in fact, meditation. The LSD mostly
| just forces you to be more honest with yourself by
| smashing barriers you would normally dismantle through
| allowing your mind to rest.
|
| Granted, I've never experienced anything like eg a
| blurring of the sense of self with meditation.
| Theoretically it's possible. Maybe I'm just too content
| with myself to pursue it.
| kylebenzle wrote:
| A lot of people are well aware of how much they are
| deluding themselves (into thinking they are happy and
| deserve to be so) that they should avoid psychedelics at
| all costs. It's like their ego knows it's in danger.
| fullstick wrote:
| It's only scary if you try to hard to hold on. Relax and
| float down stream... In the moment, it does not feel like
| your brain is not working properly. I tend to feel more
| clearheaded (even when confused) than I am on alcohol.
| aqueueaqueue wrote:
| I like the phrase "on alcohol". Indeed it is also a
| psychoactive drug.
| dymk wrote:
| It being scary is kind of the point. Or rather, if you're
| going to do LSD, you need to be in the mindset that 1) this
| is temporary, and you'll feel fine tomorrow, and 2) the
| experience you're about to have will be extraordinarily
| novel and impossible to fully describe, even after having
| experienced it. It's an intense hallucinogenic, and is the
| most potent mind altering substance that we know of. It's
| also one of the safer ones, if you've done your research
| and aren't predisposed to a certain category of mental
| illnesses (schizophrenia, bipolar, anxiety).
|
| Knowing that it's temporary is the best tether to this
| world that keeps me from having a bad trip, if it feels
| like that could happen. As others have said, an LSD trip is
| going to take you places you might not expect to end up.
| Meditation can be good preparation leading up to a trip.
|
| LSD is one of those chemicals that gives you a glimpse at
| what it's like to process the world with a completely
| different category of consciousness.
| uwagar wrote:
| a category of consciousness AI cant reach.
| erikerikson wrote:
| On what basis are you comparing?
| ForTheKidz wrote:
| what basis would you recommend? Given the rate that
| chatbots engaging in making stuff up you can't just ask
| them. At least as humans we can take the substance
| ourselves to verify there's something happening. I think
| there will always be an insurmountable barrier to
| deciding if computers can be conscious, at least in our
| lifetimes. We're not even sure other humans experience
| similar consciousness.
| erikerikson wrote:
| I didn't make the claim and have no interest in defending
| or building it.
|
| FWIW I appreciate the epistemic humility.
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| Wouldn't we be able to give AI all kinds of random bytes
| and code eventually to make them "trip"? Much easier then
| engineering novel psychedelics
| erikerikson wrote:
| I suppose we could simulate tripping in that fashion but
| it would seem easier to affect a distributed activation
| function or other parameter to the simulation.
|
| Not sure why you're asking me.
| ForTheKidz wrote:
| Microdosing (or rather 1/4-1/10th a normal dose) works
| quite well. You get much of the mental flexibility
| without serious disorientation and serious physical
| reaction (jitteriness and nausea, which is also why I
| avoid shrooms--too physical).
|
| It's also worth noting LSD is quite pleasant on the come
| down. You're just very comfortable and calm. Typically
| self-soothing through the angst of the first half of the
| trip is straightforward. Also a great reason to be in
| good mental health before hand.... if you're not prepared
| to face something you've been avoiding or deluding
| yourself through, LSD is a very, very bad choice.
| westmeal wrote:
| Nope, but as others have said - you must commit and realize
| that once you dose you're in for whatever it is. You must
| assure yourself that this is temporary and will pass. As a
| matter in fact our lives are much the same, nothing ever
| lasts forever. Just gotta roll with it.
|
| Anyway, it's not that the brain isn't working properly it's
| just that the brain is working differently. That's how I
| see it.
| Henchman21 wrote:
| Whose to say my brain works properly to begin with? We live
| in a collective delusion and any time I can see outside the
| delusion, sign me up.
| scarecrowbob wrote:
| HAving had a similar experience, I have found it somewhat
| useful.
|
| I've often found that my brain hasn't been working or
| working properly, and it's good to know that a) that
| happens, b) it can be transitory and c) even when it feels
| like it's working, I might still be fooled.
|
| As I grow older, it's been a lot more difficult speak in
| absolutes.
|
| At the same time, the contrast to observing when my brain
| actually -does- do something useful has also been useful
| and I have felt a lot better about leaning into that
| feeling.
|
| This culture is insane and will gaslight the hell out of
| you, as will many of its constitutive members, so having
| some data on what it feels like to vividly hallucinate
| versus to have a different view on something has been very
| validating.
|
| I am sure that sounds dumb, and that there are plenty of
| folks (especially on this social media forum) who would say
| that I am probably worse off for feeling like I have a
| better handle on "correct" and "incorrect", but hey, "enjoy
| the water, boys".
| aqueueaqueue wrote:
| I am not pro LSD (I don't think I'll ever try this or
| similar).
|
| But I would say sleep is similar in this regard especially
| dreams.
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| > It looked like alien unicode characters or some shit.
|
| That's how my iPhone keyboard looked when I took a moderate
| amount of shrooms. It was weird, I could still think and talk
| coherently, but the keyboard was an incrophensible,
| vibrating, round, green-energy-sparks-decorated mess.
| stuaxo wrote:
| Heh, yes I remember something similar with an old Nokia.
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| That happened to me as well. Pretty cool effect. I also
| remember trying to order "human food" off my phone but
| couldn't figure out what anything on the app was
| ctrlp wrote:
| That sounds pretty amazing. What a metaphor that is. Hope you
| fully recovered but kept some valuable mental souvenirs from
| your trip. I do think people underestimate the dangers of LSD.
| It's amazing but I've known people who permanently injured
| their cognitive capacities using it.
| raducu wrote:
| > deep feelings of profound thoughts.
|
| I remember dreaming about profound answers and equations about
| everything and being extatic in my dreams in uni.
|
| Then I woke up and wrote down what I dreamt and realize it was
| just garbage :).
|
| The same this one time I was traveling with friends and bought
| some very dubious hashish and smoked it and I got incredible
| visuals where I could see, open-eye a matrix of videos starting
| from a common theme and all evolving differently. I could see
| visual kernels of ideas and how they all worked together.
|
| But at that time I was very interested in variational
| autoencoders, so after the effects wore off, I realized the
| experience was just like the deep realization of the dreams --
| utterly meningless and just a hallucination that felt profound
| in the moment.
| devmor wrote:
| I had similar experiences the first time I tried a
| recreational drug - it was with my father and we watched Nova
| on PBS. We spent hours convinced we had novel theories on
| spacetime and wrote them down, believing we had stumbled upon
| revolutionary scientific insight.
|
| When we reviewed them in the morning they were absolute
| nonsense!
| anonym29 wrote:
| I believe it is a misapplication of entheogens to try
| solving "IQ problems" with them. I've found them to be
| incredibly valuable for personal development and solving
| "EQ problems" - the kind that my sober mind didn't
| ordinarily process much at all by default, being on the
| autism spectrum. Psychedelics for me allowed me to become
| intensely aware and attuned to the emotional and
| psychological state of others and allows me to imagine
| myself in their shoes and empathize with their struggles in
| life (even if entirely unrelated to anything I've ever
| personally experienced). This altered state of mind
| introduced me to an entirely new way of thinking that had
| led to me being a kinder, more compassionate, more
| considerate, more socially capable person in a persistent,
| lasting way that has long outlived the psychoactive effects
| of the psychedelics.
|
| Psychedelic culture has this notion of "reintegration",
| where in the week(s) after a trip it can take some time to
| fully internalize the epiphanies and lessons from the trip.
| During my first reintegration, I realized that I kinda used
| to interact with everyone in the world in a manner roughly
| analogous to really advanced NPCs in a role playing game I
| was forced into called life, and had no realization that I
| was doing this and lacked full appreciation for the depth
| of other people as human beings for the first quarter
| century and change of my life.
|
| Accordingly, I see psychedelics as a profound tool of
| interpersonal growth and development, but never the kind of
| thing I'd take to try solving a vexing technical problem -
| that's a different job that takes a different tool.
|
| PS to anyone else reading: this should not be taken as an
| endorsement or recommendation for anyone to attempt to
| procure and use psychedelics. There are serious mental
| health risks involved for vulnerable populations, risks of
| contaminated or laced products if procured from
| untrustworthy or disreputable sources, and more. If you are
| unsure of whether you're a part of certain vulnerable
| populations, I'd urge you to consult with a qualified,
| licensed therapist or mental healthcare provider to get a
| less-biased second opinion on whether or not you're at
| elevated risk, just to be sure, but remember this is just
| one of several risks.
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| I had to throw out the notes I had taken while on shrooms
| because they literally looked like I had lost my mind if
| someone had seen them
| animal_spirits wrote:
| The brain can mimic the _feeling_ of having had an incredible
| idea when in reality nothing actually incredible or mind
| opening has been understood. But some people do indeed have
| deep realizations, while others just deeply feel the feeling
| of having had a deep realizations, if that makes sense.
| nthingtohide wrote:
| Artists put themselves through various experiences (sometimes
| extreme) to portray the ineffable through abstract art. Works
| at both personal and societal level
|
| https://youtu.be/A9gYgHkizSI
| pockmarked19 wrote:
| > entire concept of time
|
| "Entire" concept is stretching it, causality and entropy are
| not man made.
|
| If you want to look at ideas people made up that have way too
| much influence on our lives, you need look no further than your
| wallet.
| y33t wrote:
| I'd say causality and entropy are contingent on the (very
| compelling) assumption that time is real. We could be
| Boltzmann Brains, or something even weirder. Do I believe
| that the world is terribly different from what it appears to
| be? No, but ultimately our perceptions of the world are
| merely representation held in our minds.
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| We could be Boltzmann Brains on drugs.
|
| Or worse.
|
| Presumably the probability of a brain appearing as a
| disordered psychiatric monster is far higher than the
| probability of arriving as an Earth-normal tenured
| cosmologist.
| whatnow37373 wrote:
| > causality and entropy are not man made
|
| Given that we fundamentally depend on our own, very human,
| sensory and cognitive apparatus to make any kind of judgement
| I have a hard time imagining a proof or even a convincing
| argument of this without falling back on "it's obvious"
| (etc).
|
| Yes, I am being obtuse. Sorry about that. Just for the
| record.
| fooker wrote:
| If you could prove the bit about causality you'll get a Nobel
| prize or two.
|
| As that would definitively declare that there's no going back
| in time, there's no negative mass, and perhaps
| philosophically--theres no free will.
| _hark wrote:
| Entropy is not absolute!
|
| The entropy of some data is well-defined with respect to a
| model, but the model choice is free. I.e. different models
| will assign different entropy to the same data.
|
| And how do we choose a model...? Well, formally by minimizing
| the information needed to describe both the model and data
| (the sum of model complexity and data entropy under the
| model) [1]
|
| You might argue that's all too information-theoretic and in
| _physics_ there simply is an objective count of the state-
| space, a maximum entropy, and so on. Alas, there is not even
| general consensus on whether there is a locally finite number
| of degrees of freedom.
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length
| viccis wrote:
| The entire concept of causality and entropy as something that
| happens in a linear progression at approximately the same
| rate is 100% a concept that is "made up" insofar as it is, as
| Kant would put it, the process of apprehending a sequence of
| sensibilities into a schematized understanding of the objects
| around us. Cause and effect are real (and don't require
| empirical understanding), but only viewing objects in the
| space around us as partial impressions that are contingent on
| that specific time is the "man made" part of subjectivity.
|
| So a better way to put it is that time is real, but only as
| it relates to our perception. And that is always subjectively
| contingent. The concept of "time" outside of any subjective
| perception doesn't really make sense. Even if you're purely
| limiting it to "causality", then you're going to run into a
| host of issues if you think you can order causal interactions
| into a linear "time"line.
| renewiltord wrote:
| This is baffling to me. I recall this comment from the last
| week but it currently reads "4 hours ago". Algolia also shows
| it posted "4 days ago". Some sort of reposting functionality?
|
| Considering the topic, it made me consider if I was having
| intense deja vu.
| chippy wrote:
| this was posted a few days ago. Submissions get second
| chances and their timestamps are updated.
|
| this says 4 days ago:
|
| https://hn.algolia.com/?query=What%20do%20people%20see%20whe.
| ..
| renewiltord wrote:
| I didn't realize they rewrite comment timestamps.
| ProjectArcturis wrote:
| There aren't really "varieties" of LSD. There's one chemical
| structure that is LSD. There are a couple related chemicals
| that are also hallucinogenic (e.g. LSA), but they have much
| lower potency. Having even 50% of a standard LSD dose
| contaminated with these related chemicals would really just
| feel like weak (low dose) LSD. Mindset, setting, and dose are
| the main variables that determine the trip experience.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| It depends on your source. There are several psychedelics
| that get sold as others because their effects are very
| similar. A little harder to do with LSD as it's dosing is so
| tiny. But there are apparently some:
|
| https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1485592.
| ..
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| > I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch realizing
| that the entire concept of time is a manmade construct that is
| absolutely meaningless and irrelevant in the grand scheme of
| the universe.
|
| People knew this already without taking LSD.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9Tc9eRUzU
|
| But try having LSD in your brain at random moments and you
| never know when it is going to happen. That is my life with a
| mental illness.
| sosodev wrote:
| Does relativity mean that time is not just a human construct?
| It's hard to believe it is irrelevant when we have discovered
| special behaviors that are part the fabric of reality.
| Uptrenda wrote:
| When I see posts like this I wonder if taking these drugs
| permanently alters ones conception of reality whether a person
| wants that or not. For example, if a person who has never taken
| LSD before reads the sentence "the entire concept of time is
| manmade [...]" they take that as kind of an abstract
| philosophy. The kind where someone might chuckle, roll their
| eyes, and say "yeah, sure thing man". But there's a huge
| difference between that and experiencing it, and then
| subsequently knowing it.
|
| The realizations you get on LSD are absurd. Yet, can end up
| being true statements that would almost never be believed
| otherwise. You could probably end up with the same conclusions
| if you thought about these related topics enough. But that
| would end up being similar to some beliefs talked about in
| certain spiritual practices. So its almost like if you take LSD
| you end up downloading that knowledge instantly which is
| bizarre to think about.
| Swizec wrote:
| > "the entire concept of time is manmade [...]" they take
| that as kind of an abstract philosophy. The kind where
| someone might chuckle, roll their eyes, and say "yeah, sure
| thing man".
|
| Probably every teenager with enough free time to think has
| had this realization. The trick is what do you do about it?
|
| Manmade or not, time is a _useful_ construct. You might as
| well use it. Even if deep down you know it's just a
| convention, you still gotta live in society and coordinate
| with others. A shared understanding of time makes this
| easier.
| superb-owl wrote:
| I had great plans to feed Erowid's database through Claude to get
| a better classification of drug phenomenology. Sadly they have
| explicitly disallowed the feeding of Erowid reports into LLMs:
| https://erowid.org/experiences/email_warning.php
|
| I appreciate the stand they're taking, but the potential for
| greater understanding and harm reduction seems to outweigh any
| potential downsides of putting public webpages into an LLM.
| poincaredisk wrote:
| Commendable stance from you. It's sad that big tech won't care
| and will index their content anyway. I wish terms of use like
| this were enforcable.
| astrange wrote:
| They are, via CFAA. It depends what their robots.txt is set
| to or the AI version of that.
|
| Anyway, the influence of random web text on AI is overrated.
| They're going to filter out pages that don't contribute, and
| bad words/topics/personal info will get it removed.
| ziddoap wrote:
| Might be worth reaching out to them, assuming you meet their
| criteria of "researcher".
|
| > _The Erowids state on their website that researchers cannot
| "mine" data from their site but that they're open to discussing
| projects with researchers, provided they're properly credited
| and cited._
| thanatos519 wrote:
| https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-ha...
| is a classic!
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| I once took Ketamine, "fell through the bed" and spent half an
| hour in a different dimension, peacefully floating above and
| close to incredibly detailed, dull and dark colored patterns
| while unable to form language-based thoughts until I suddenly
| snapped out of it. The music I was listening to (HUSBANDS (Run
| Along, Son, etc.)) helped a lot and was just incredible, though I
| am still not sure if I could have had the same great experience
| with different music.
|
| It was THE single most amazing and out-of-this-world thing I ever
| experienced and I highly recommend it to everyone.
|
| I don't know if it helped me in any way with my depression
| though. No hangover. No lasting changes.
| throwaway183785 wrote:
| I had a similar experience with ketamine listening to different
| music. It felt almost like I was engulfed in the music, in a
| very positive and beautiful way. Having experienced opiates,
| MDMA, 2C-E, 2C-B, LSD, shrooms, and DMT, ketamine is still the
| experience I am most fond of. I sometimes wonder what certain
| music would feel like to experience on ketamine.
|
| I experienced severe depression in my teenage years. Towards
| the end of them, I had this ketamine experience (well, a few
| sessions, but this one stands out in particular.) My depression
| has never come back nearly as strong as before (it's been over
| 10 years.)
| FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
| Love the shroom experience, hate all the yawning and sore jaw
| after.
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| One time I snorted ketamine with a bunch of hairy middle
| eastern guys on a club toilet in Tel Aviv and the next day I
| was courageous enough to rent myself a car and drive to the
| dead sea, when I had given up navigating the shitty bus
| booking websites for dead sea transports the day before.
|
| There might be something to it. Unfortunately, the last few
| times I tried to buy Ketamine I got scammed with Cocaine,
| which I abhor.
| tayo42 wrote:
| Idk how people do ketamime recreationally or in public. I did
| one little bump and was couch locked, managed to do two more
| and was laying on the floor with the world spinning, eyes
| closed, trying to manage motion sickness
| kouru225 wrote:
| Calvin Klein is the answer. That's how people do k
| recreationally.
| spidersenses wrote:
| That wasn't very helpful...
| anon84873628 wrote:
| You might want to seek out a formal therapist who uses
| medication assistance. They will have a series of regular
| sessions first to prepare/prime you for treatment. Set and
| setting matter a lot with these drugs!
| gwbas1c wrote:
| Just remember: There are a lot of chemicals that produce LSD-like
| effects. The farther away you are from the chemist, the less
| likely you know the actual drug that you're getting. This is
| especially the case at concerts / festivals, where the "game of
| telephone" might mean that you don't really know what you're
| taking.
|
| After reading many trip reports on Erowid for LSD, I suspect that
| the authors often unknowingly took something else. A classic case
| is STP/DOM, which often comes in paper / tabs and is visually
| indistinguishable from LSD. If you ever hear the familiar, "I
| took some crazy acid. At first it didn't work, so I took another,
| and then I finally came up after an hour and had an intense
| trip," it was probably STP/DOM instead of LSD.
| FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
| At Bonnaroo, one of our party got STP instead of acid and we
| had to babysit all frickin weekend. Of course, I had already
| taken my mescaline so it was not fun at all.
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| Same thing for ecstasy: Can be anything from filler scam, to an
| MDMA dosage that will probably send you to hospital, to drugs
| that work very similar to MDMA and can also be called ecstasy
| to weird ass hard drugs that are something completely
| different.
|
| In Vienna we have an organization that checks pills or powder
| from the batch you bought and tells you what exactly it is.
| LoganDark wrote:
| even LSD doesn't usually work _immediately_. it usually takes
| something like 30 minutes to an hour to start having effects.
|
| i think one of my records is something like 12 hours after
| dosage to start feeling the effects. which i think happened
| because i also ate a bunch of food before taking
|
| i use LSD recreationally every 1-2 weeks or so
| Etheryte wrote:
| Checking out your profile, did you already have dissociative
| identity disorder before finding your way to LSD? How do you
| think the two interact? No judgement or implications,
| curious.
| justlikereddit wrote:
| I frequently eat before taking LSD and it never takes 12
| hours to hit, after 1 hour it's always live and peak will
| occur within 3-4 hours. With a light meal or empty stomach it
| comes on a bit faster to a noticable state (but the hidden
| hunger can interfere with well being during the trip )
| FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
| Once I took way way too much and disappeared into a swirling mass
| of organs and gibbering creatures a la Geiger. It should have
| been terrifying but it just... wasn't. I really enjoyed it.
|
| Meanwhile, back in the fully conscious world, my roommates had
| conversations with me that I do not remember at all. I took a
| very long break from any experimenting after that.
| layer8 wrote:
| Giger. Geiger is the counter.
| qwertox wrote:
| Hah, this now prompted me to ask ChatGPT to tell me about Erowid
| and the most remarkable things it read there, and we're chatting
| along over bad trips and it telling me how apparently heroin
| can't fix a bad trip, and it comes up with quotes from which I
| have to assume that they are just hallucinations, but "funny"
| ones if one thinks about them just having gotten made up by an
| AI:
|
| > Every bad sensation was magnified a thousandfold because there
| was nothing to filter or rationalize it. Pain didn't feel like
| something I was experiencing--it felt like everything I was.
|
| > I was convinced I had broken something inside my mind
| permanently, that I'd never be normal again. The terror of that
| idea became its own reality.
|
| but also the nice things are interesting to chat about
| Users frequently say things like: "There was no past or
| future, only this moment." "Who I was didn't matter
| anymore; I just existed."
|
| or "That's one of the most interesting paradoxes people report:
| thinking continues, but the thinker disappears."
|
| generally a fun thing to chat about with it.
| GuB-42 wrote:
| > which I have to assume that they are just hallucinations
|
| They definitely are, in one way or another ;)
| volteret4 wrote:
| I think people belive that there is no thinker because
| sometimes your ego dissapears, at least fase out. Our thoughts
| and opinions arent relevant anymore. Thats muy experience and
| opinion btw.
| buildsjets wrote:
| Who is the master who makes the grass green?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_the_master_that_sees_an.
| ..
| LoganDark wrote:
| when i take lsd i almost seem to gain the ability to see and hear
| my thoughts. i can imagine stuff with my mind's eye normally, but
| with lsd it's like i can see concepts directly. it feels like
| instead of thinking in words like usual it's like i can think
| with raw energy or something and i have more access to things
|
| also it's a lot easier for me to recall like trauma and other
| buried stuff when i'm on lsd
| ge96 wrote:
| For DMT it's immediate. Even closing your eyes you see colors
| (flashes of light). I was sitting at a wooden table and the grain
| patterns were moving especially the circular placemat in front of
| me with concentric rings. And I remember being scared of my own
| arm like wtf is that. It was brief though minute or two it was
| over.
|
| I have not done LSD or mushrooms as I have a bad
| childhood/repressed memories and I worry of having a bad trip.
| btwitch wrote:
| > I have not done LSD or mushrooms as I have a bad
| childhood/repressed memories and I worry of having a bad trip.
|
| That's a reasonable stance. I've found "bad" trips on both to
| be incredibly healing, nevertheless. I'm sure the outcome
| depends largely on your state of mind at the onset. Combining
| with MDMA could take the edge off bad memories that come up and
| grant space for processing them directly.
| ge96 wrote:
| What do you think about doing it with a sober friend to
| control you? I guess you could be alone in a room and they
| monitor you if you need help.
|
| Also micro-dose. It's funny the movie Jobs 2013 it shows him
| doing acid and he's in the field, I'm like "Oh if I do acid I
| can be like Steve Jobs" not serious but was wondering
| maybe... unlocks your brain somehow.
| jampekka wrote:
| A sober, or an experienced trustworthy, tripsitter is
| almost a must. A _small_ amount of MDMA (especially if you
| 're not familiar with it) before taking a psychedelic can
| be helpful as mentioned. Having some sedatives just handy
| just in case may itself lessen the probability of
| unpleasant effects.
|
| Micro-dosing is mostly placebo. But a good idea is to start
| with small doses (check e.g. the "threshold limits" at
| Psychonaut Wiki), and maybe faster shorter acting
| substances like 2C-B or mushrooms rather than longer acting
| like LSD.
|
| Also good to acknowledge that psychedelics just aren't very
| enjoyable experiences for many, and even for most they are
| rarely unambiguously good.
| ge96 wrote:
| Yeah I'm wondering if you can tell like I can't smoke w
| because I get paranoid/scared of people. I just drink in
| a social setting
|
| edit: tell as in if you can't handle w, shouldn't do
| acid/psychedelics ha
| jampekka wrote:
| Psychedelics aren't necessarily as anxiety/paranoia
| inducing as weed, and even the effects in general aren't
| necessarily as intense. Of course it depends on the
| dosage, the person and the setting, and paranoia from
| weed most likely correlates with difficult psychedelic
| experiences.
| mdhen wrote:
| benzos end LSD trips, so if you are worried about a bad
| trip, just have a xanax with you when you do it and if you
| want out, take one and in 30 minutes you will be okay.
| jampekka wrote:
| DMT hallucinations are very different, and a lot more vivid,
| than those from LSD or mushrooms. With the latter, at least
| with eyes open and in reasonable doses, the effect is not so
| much as seeing "new things", but seeing the same thing somehow
| differently. There may be some slight morphing-type movement,
| but it's still obvious that you see the "same things". I don't
| think the visual effects are really significant part of
| LSD/Mushroom trips. They are just easiest to verbalize (unlike
| e.g. some weird brainfucks like forgetting what a door does),
| so they are talked about more.
|
| With DMT it can be as if someone suddenly put VR glasses on
| you.
| ge96 wrote:
| I'm just afraid of being trapped in a bad trip for hours ha
| may seem like eternity, maybe it's not so bad/try micro dose.
|
| Edit: tangent: it's interesting, I jumped out of a plane
| before (tandem) and when I landed I didn't change as a
| person.
| alt227 wrote:
| IMO its the worry itself which causes the bad trip not actually
| the repressed/bad memories. I know lots of people with bad
| childhoods who have great trips, but anybody who is anxious or
| worried about anything on the trip will have a bad time.
|
| If you are in a good place surrounded by good people and you
| are happy, then it _should_ be a good experience. If you go
| into it worrying about what will happen then the drugs will
| compound that anxiety, not relieve it.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Interestingly, there is a drug call datura, a beautiful white
| flower you can find all over suburbia, whose seeds when drank in
| a tea are an extremely powerful deliriant.
|
| If you read the trip reports of it (which are pretty fascinating
| tbh) you notice a common trend of people hallucinating that they
| are smoking a cigarette, and then they drop it, only to search
| around and be unable to find it. This is usually one of the first
| tip-offs they have that something is happening before they
| totally get lost in the void. Really fascinating how many people
| on there had this same common experience while taking datura
| specifically.
| buildsjets wrote:
| Absolutely no one should even be entertaining the thought of
| experimenting with datura without first performing in-depth
| research, and having come to an understanding and acceptance
| that the result may likely be a multi-week violent
| psychotic/deleric episode culminating in involuntary
| hospitalization or incarceration. I have NEVER heard of anyone
| having an enjoyable experience with this substance, and I've
| been around for a while.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| I meant to add that at the end. Like you said, basically no
| one ever has a good time on this drug. The trip reports seem
| to be almost entirely kids looking for a free high, and
| virtually no one who knows what they are doing purposely
| taking it.
| LoganDark wrote:
| i think it's probably bad that this made me more curious
|
| i think someone in my head wants to try it even if it's
| universally unpleasant
|
| edit: jk i read literally anything about what the experience
| is actually like and i don't know if i feel like boiling the
| body with dehydration that bad, and apparently the other way
| you know it's working is that your mouth and throat get so
| dry that it becomes impossible to swallow food without
| choking
| filoeleven wrote:
| The difference between an effective dose and a damaging or
| deadly dose is also pretty small IIRC. Between that and the
| stories of "I had no idea what was real and what was not for
| three days," it's a hard pass for me. There doesn't seem to
| be any insight to be gained from its use, or even
| recreational entertainment.
| NoThisIsMe wrote:
| It's a deliriant, not a disassociative. Worth mentioning the
| trip is said to be deeply unpleasant, and also the plant is
| poisonous.
|
| But yeah I too find it interesting how a drug can seemingly
| yield the same specific hallucination in different people. See
| also spiders and DPH (another deliriant).
| wave-function wrote:
| Spiders are also a recurring theme among amantadine users:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine
|
| It was very easy to buy in Russia and neighboring countries
| up until 2012 or so. I've never used it (chickened out of
| trying out something like that), but there are tons of
| stories from more adventurous people.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Ah yes, thanks, my mistake
| neom wrote:
| Salvia turns people into zippers and books, sometimes door
| knobs.
| jajko wrote:
| Ha, thats sort of my experience too. Or often like looking
| through paper roll or grooved gun barrel which keeps twisting
| on subspace level. Or Van Gogh' Starry night pattern.
|
| Good thing is salvia is very short acting, maybe 5-10 mins
| for me and intensity is somewhere around mushrooms. But I
| talk about at least 10x extracts, raw one is just tons of
| very biting smoke and comparatively little effect. The kick
| is literally within seconds, I barely managed to put down
| bong after a single hit and was flying away.
| neom wrote:
| It's one of the few I've not tried. Personally I believe
| all the psychoactive plants are tools with distinct
| purposes (to be prescribed if you will) - salvia is the one
| that I'm not sure what it should be used for, I guess it's
| a good tool to show very literally that everything is
| everything, that seems to be what it basically does?
| temp0826 wrote:
| The more traditional way to use it is to chew on leaves,
| which is a far less intense and slower way to use it.
| Probably the approach you'd take if you wanted to get
| something useful out of the experience.
| wave-function wrote:
| When the Soviet Union fell, lots of military first-aid kits
| escaped in the wild. Some of them (small plastic ones colored
| in bright orange IIRC) contained this thing:
|
| https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aprofen
|
| (sorry, you'll have to rely on Google Translate, there's very
| little info on it in English)
|
| It's a powerful anticholinergic agent used to treat poisoning
| by organophosphorus compounds (like Sarin).
|
| Like many other anticholinergics (including Datura), if taken
| without first actually experiencing the poisoning, it results
| in a deep delirium with complete loss of control over one's
| actions. There are lots of interesting/disturbing stories out
| there on the internet, most of them written in late 1990s to
| early 2000s before all the stockpiles had been found and used
| up.
| gosub100 wrote:
| A friend-of-a-friend took it and did the same thing. He was
| pinching his fingers in the blades of grass and putting them to
| his lips in a smoking motion. Then he ran straight into a
| wooden fence and took down the entire panel. Nothing about
| datura is good, nobody has ever had a good trip with it. Stay
| away.
| immodestmouse wrote:
| Take my word for it, Datura and Dramamine aren't worth fucking
| with. If you are determined not to take my word for it,
| Dramamine is pretty similar and a lot safer.
|
| Take too much Datura and you're dead. How much is too much?
| It's very difficult to know, because it varies plant to plant.
| I'm sure you can die from taking too much Dramamine, but at
| least you can accurately gauge the dose.
|
| Nothing I ever experienced on these drugs was interesting or
| enlightening. Some of it was horrifying. Typically I ended up
| curled up in a ball waiting for the madness to end (which took
| hours). 0/10 would not try again. Reliable source of bad trips.
| aeve890 wrote:
| >Take my word for it, Datura and Dramamine aren't worth
| fucking with. If you are determined not to take my word for
| it, Dramamine is pretty similar and a lot safer.
|
| Dramamine the over-the-counter medicine to treat nausea and
| motion sickness?
| morserer wrote:
| That's the one.
|
| You can get all kinds of _(very questionable)_ highs from
| tons of OTC drugs: diphenhydramine (benadryl /zzzquil),
| dextromethorphan (Robitussin), doxylamine (NyQuil)...
| borgdefenser wrote:
| Datura is not a drug, it is the flower.
|
| The drug is scopolamine and atropine that datura contains.
|
| I think I have read every trip report on erowid related to
| tropanes.I find them incredibly fascinating.
|
| What stands out most to me is I can't think of even a single
| one I read that the person sounded like they had a good
| experience. They are all pretty dark because your body knows it
| is being literally poisoned.
| tayo42 wrote:
| My dmt trips never felt like the ones I read about online. They
| were crazy and impactful every time. (I kept a dmt journal
| durring covid lol) But visuals were always 2d, geometric, I never
| saw some of the common things people described. Or seemingly
| common idk. The way trip reports sound were there were alternate
| worlds to wander around, 3d beings interacting. I think I used to
| dab about 20mg, I'd have to look it up.
| 65 wrote:
| You probably did not break through. You'd need a higher dose
| for that.
| machine_ghost wrote:
| "We also looked at different types of psychedelics and didn't see
| any systematic differences there."
|
| This was the most fascinating finding to me. I really wouldn't
| have expected Salvia, Acid, Shrooms, etc. to all produce the same
| hallucinations ... but I guess ultimately they're all operating
| on the same core neurochemicals, so I guess it makes sense.
| LoganDark wrote:
| the recent research on psilocybin therapy is very interesting
| and so long overdue, i am so glad it's finally happening
| aradox66 wrote:
| That seems much more like a limitation of their analysis to me
| clbrmbr wrote:
| This. There's obvious differences in salvinorin and
| psilocybin effects and both are well represented in the data.
| But keep in mind the current paper only looks at existing
| categories of visual effect. The second study might include a
| finer taxonomy.
| A7C3D5 wrote:
| They don't, they are drastically different in character. There
| are close similarities within classes between some of the
| lysergamides, substituted phenethylamines or tryptamines. But
| even closely structurally related analogues can be extremely
| different (ex. 2C-E vs DOET vs 2C-C).
|
| LSD is almost nothing like psilocybin or mescaline or DMT. And
| nothing is like salvinorin...
| bongodongobob wrote:
| At low doses they're pretty similar. Moving patterns in wood
| grain, breathing objects, faintly fractalesque structures. When
| you take more they get fairly different.
| tac19 wrote:
| Used to take quite high doses of LSD, and often had incredible
| visual hallucinations. Things like watching a large plant sprout
| flower buds all over it, which slowly expanded to full bloom and
| then retreated back to small buds; the whole experience went on
| like that for 20 minutes. Another time I hallucinated that a
| neighbor's house was on fire, until my friend said she was
| hallucinating the same thing. Fortunately, the fire brigade
| showed up quickly to quench the very real flames, without us
| having to ring them.
| LoganDark wrote:
| > Fortunately, the fire brigade showed up quickly to quench the
| very real flames, without us having to ring them.
|
| imagine calling them like "my friend and i are both on lsd and
| we are both seeing that house on fire so could you check it out
| please in case it's real"
|
| a trick i use sometimes is to check my phone camera to see if
| it also sees the same thing
| PartiallyTyped wrote:
| There's something about digital pictures that escapes the
| visuals.
| dymk wrote:
| I dunno about that, everything turns into a wildly animated
| gif when I'm tripping
| LoganDark wrote:
| i had a friend who told me that on high enough doses
| every picture becomes like a movie, you can just stare
| into it and imagine that whole world
| 52-6F-62 wrote:
| You don't need acid for that. Just imagination. That was
| my first entertainment as a child.
|
| But LSD and related psychedelics are uniquely able to
| help one reconnect with that part of themselves.
| dylan604 wrote:
| until you hit the generative AI camera mode because, well,
| you're tripping, and it hears your description of the fire
| and adds flames to your image. In the words of Neo, "whoa!"
| eMPee584 wrote:
| plentiful whoas ahead x D
| shrx wrote:
| > a trick i use sometimes is to check my phone camera to see
| if it also sees the same thing
|
| You can't trust the pictures either.
| hhh wrote:
| it's a great trick and even some schizophrenic people can
| use cameras to ground themselves. I trust the computer, and
| it will never lie to me.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_constant
| throwaway49F301 wrote:
| I get how tripping every few years might be a good way to get the
| cobwebs out and shake things up a bit. However, after 2 times, it
| just seemed like too much of a hassle. After a couple of hours of
| kaleidoscope, the novelty and fun starts waning, and it starts to
| feel like a chore. And then the exhaustion the next day.
| Molitor5901 wrote:
| I used shrooms for a while to recover from depression, but I
| never once saw anything. While walking along a trail I felt my
| vision had grown sharper, but never colors, never patterns or
| movement. That baffles me because at the time, I thought maybe I
| had consumed the wrong shrooms. The self-reflection, realization,
| and separation of thought from emotion was the most profound
| moment in my life. Yet no hallucination.
| LoganDark wrote:
| for me psychedelics tend to cause things to "pop out" at me
| more but they don't cause new things to appear on top of
| reality
| Molitor5901 wrote:
| Interesting way to describe it. Some caveats I forgot to
| mention: To actually make something happen I had to take 4.5
| grams of dried soaked in OJ swallowed down. Granted I was on
| these evil little shits called antidepressants; fun fact: Big
| Pharma does not publish instructions for GETTING OFF of
| antidepressants.
|
| Post AT's I could get the red pill effect in as little as 1/4
| of a gram. Still no hallucinations but.. when I took that
| HERO dose to overcome the meds.. that walk in the forest did
| pop out at me. That was what I called sharper but yeah, it
| popped.
| dymk wrote:
| Shrooms and visuals seem to be all over the place. From
| personal experience, they usually induce visuals but not
| always. For some friends, they rarely induce visuals, but
| sometimes they do - especially with specific strains of
| cubensis (despite "a cube is a cube").
| jajko wrote:
| I was lets say economical with shrooms (one growkit from
| Amsterdam and that was it), so dosed it based on dry weight and
| never used more than '1 dose' (3g IIRC).
|
| Since its consumed orally, full stomach greatly diminishes
| effects. Second trick I've used (I think I've found it on
| erowid) is to mix that dry shroom with raw fresh lemon juice.
| The result tastes horribly, even worse than just dry mushrooms,
| but it manages to make the trip much shorter and way more
| intense which is a good change IMHO.
|
| And the last thing I've done to get as much trip from those
| rather small doses - I've laid down in bed, alone, covered
| myself, run some quiet shamanic music in the background and
| went off. And off I went, complete loss of all senses, dancing
| as a mist of atoms to that music that was and wasn't there, and
| then very slowly coming back, rediscovering my limbs and senses
| one at a time, feeling inner peace and connection to universe
| never experienced before. It was always profound experience but
| I always felt that I could jump out quickly by just opening my
| eyes and starting interacting with reality.
|
| One time, first time, I didn't do any of above and just ate
| them, walking around Amsterdam, laying in the park watching
| nature and people during sunny day. It was almost 0 effect, I
| properly felt my video feed from eyes was too strong compared
| to shrooms effect and it was overriding whatever mild trip was
| trying to happen.
| throw80521 wrote:
| I did mushrooms quite recently in a highly therapeutic setting.
| Bar none, it was the only thing that actually addressed my
| depression after decades of basically everything else. I feel
| refreshed each day and everything is interesting again for what
| feels like the first time in my life.
| A7C3D5 wrote:
| The datura report vault is an old favorite when I am feeling bad
| about my life choices late at night.
| 1970-01-01 wrote:
| Here's a novel AI safety thought: Will AI need medicines to
| remain mentally healthy and sane? Will it enjoy tripping? Will it
| eventually fix itself to remain in touch with reality in all
| circumstances?
| eMPee584 wrote:
| also, chemical substances like entheogens seem not relevant to
| AI now but this connection could unlock enormous educational
| potential once bio cell and "omnimodal" hybrid computing goes
| mainstream. Interesting times ahead : )
| int_19h wrote:
| https://github.com/EGjoni/DRUGS
| rqtwteye wrote:
| When I did my only two Ayahuasca sessions and closed my eyes I
| saw some kind jungle scene with the eyes of a big cat looking at
| me. It was really interesting. With mushrooms I usually see
| abstract patterns. I never have mach hallucinations with eyes
| open. I just notice more things that I usually wouldn't notice.
| That's why I believe a lot movie directors took some kind of
| drugs because of all the details they can see.
| konfusinomicon wrote:
| all i know is that once you see the eyes looking back at you, and
| realize that it is the eye of nicholas cage, the universe and
| reality begins to make a lot more sense and it shows that even
| the gods reuse assets
| layer8 wrote:
| I usually see the floor when I trip.
|
| Sorry about the bad joke, but reading the title I first thought
| someone is doing experiments having people wear an action cam or
| something. ;)
| renewiltord wrote:
| This is so strange. The entire HN story page claims to be recent
| but if you look at user profiles this was all posted days ago. I
| didn't realize HN had a repost-with-altered-timestamps feature.
| temp0826 wrote:
| HN is tripping?
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| The first time I took shrooms I had a very "thing in itself"
| moment where I realized that, because every time I thought
| something, all the sudden it became true, my perception must be
| affected by my cognition and that there were things outside the
| boundaries of my cognition that I could not necessarily perceive.
| Worst part was I still had to get up the next morning to teach, I
| started saying the weirdest shit in my practical anthropology
| course...
| adrbin-NLG wrote:
| Many factors. Quality and type of substance. Liquid, blotter,
| pill form, mushrooms,cactus,leaves. And very important one's
| belief system. Then how much you ate, did you trip the previous
| days. How old one is? Do you tell fibs to yourself and others. On
| and on.
| daneel_w wrote:
| When I was in my 20s I tried salvia ( _Salvia divinorum_ )
| several times as tincture and by smoking dried leaves, and I'd
| like to share my experiences:
|
| The first time was with tincture. My entire left body half became
| intoxicated in the exact same way as when drunk on alcohol. The
| left half of my body had difficulties with balance, coordination
| and motor functions. The vision on my left eye was impaired by
| the eye refusing to stay on target. Most interestingly, the left
| half of my brain was also influenced, giving me problems with
| speaking fluently and thinking straight. My right body half was
| completely unaffected, instilling me with a sense that humans
| were composed of two distinct halves rather than one body.
|
| The second time was also with tincture. Nothing happened. No
| sensations of any kind.
|
| The third time was with tincture and by smoking. It was a
| profound experience. I dozed off and dreamt that I was a nut on
| the branch of a tree. The wind swept me away and threw me onto a
| meadow where I sprouted and began to grow. I experienced life as
| a sapling, growing for years and years until I was an old tree,
| and I had vivid and fresh memories of seeing countless springs,
| summers, autumns and winters coming and going. When I came out of
| it I had an exhausted feeling in my chest reminiscent of waking
| up from long and deep sleep, and in my mind I had the memory and
| feeling of having lived for a hundred years, and a strong sense
| of an incredible amount of time having gone by since I smoked the
| salvia.
|
| The last time I used it was by smoking. I experienced merging
| with things I touched. I sat on the floor and leaned back against
| a sofa, and felt my back sinking into the sofa and becoming part
| of it. I laid down on the floor, and felt my back fusing with the
| floor. I drank water from a glass and felt as if the glass didn't
| want to "let go" of my hand.
|
| Smoking salvia hit almost instantly. With tincture, which was to
| be kept in the mouth for 10+ minutes but not swallowed, it took
| close to 20 minutes before the sensations begun. All of the trips
| lasted no more than 15-20 minutes and I never had any kind of
| hangover or lingering effects other than the (positive) emotional
| and psychological phases of reflecting on the experiences.
| ProllyInfamous wrote:
| I am a fellow psychonaut, and have plenty of experience across
| plenty of entheogens... I DO NOT RECOMMEND SALVIA TO ANYBODY
| (not even experienced dissociative users). It has no beneficial
| purpose, and is quite terrifying.
|
| My best summary of using Salvia is it typically leads mental
| isolation on par with what most never-used-drugs persons
| _think_ a "bad LSD trip" might be like.
|
| Should you still want to play with this ornamental plant, I
| would recommend you become comfortable with psilocibin,
| ketamine, LSD, and especially high-dosage mescaline. If any of
| these should become addictions, mushrooms are probably the
| least-harmful entheogen (I'm not counting marijuana, which is
| "nothing" compared to any drugs discussed above).
| codr7 wrote:
| I would add Muscimol to the list of things to try before.
|
| I've only heard stories about Salvia, but from some pretty
| hard core psychonauts whom I wouldn't expect to be afraid of
| anything.
|
| I get bad vibes from what I've read about side effects of
| Ketamine though, nothing I feel like doing to my body.
| ProllyInfamous wrote:
| I've never tried Muscimol (don't even know what is), but
| psilocibin is the only entheogen I'd recommend anybody
| experience _more than just once / casually_.
|
| Cannabis is a daily part of my life, for two decades. In
| the same way I'm "trying to drink less coffee," _I 'm
| trying to vape less, too_... but everybody should try LSD
| and/or DMT _at least once in their lifetime_ (but not
| before becoming comfortable with psilocibin).
| aqueueaqueue wrote:
| I don't know much about Ketamine. I thought it was just
| what they use to knock you out for surgery.
| daneel_w wrote:
| I don't recommend anyone to experiment with drugs, _but_ ,
| nor would I in the case of salvia advice against it or
| caution people, with the exception that they should have a
| "sitter" the first couple of times. I view drugs as
| potentially enabling people to have incredible otherwise
| unobtainable experiences, and I don't want to "gatekeep" and
| stand in people's way from that, unless the case was highly
| addictive and degenerating drugs such as heroin, amphetamine
| etc. I absolutely do not consider salvia as a risky drug in
| that sense.
|
| I have tried both LSD and psilocybin mushrooms, and while LSD
| was very interesting I did not like being tied-up for half a
| day with no immediate way out of it. Psilocybin mushrooms
| were to me similar to LSD but a very bumpy and somewhat
| unpleasant ride, in lack of a better description. Similarly,
| I did not like being stuck with that high for roughly 8
| hours, nor did I enjoy the recovery afterwards. With salvia
| none of these feelings weighed on me since with tincture and
| smoking it was a short and to me fully manageable experience.
| I'm aware that when chewing fresh leaves the entire process
| is much longer.
| shipscode wrote:
| A sitter isn't going to save you from a lifetime of HPPD or
| visual snow.
| daneel_w wrote:
| Spare me and others the FUD. I tried salvia after years
| of reading about people's experiences with it.
| lukebuehler wrote:
| > I dozed off and dreamt that I was a nut on the branch of a
| tree. The wind swept me away and threw me onto a meadow where I
| sprouted and began to grow.
|
| I've now heard of this kind of trip with Salvia a few times--
| the notion of an immense amount of time passing, people being a
| flower on a wall for years, or a chip of paint for decades.
| Mostly the impression that I got was that it wasn't a nice
| experience in anyway.
|
| Could you say more in what way the time passing felt for you?
| Was it only positive and interesting? Or did you feel trapped?
| daneel_w wrote:
| For me that experience was only positive and interesting. No
| feeling of being trapped, nor any lucidity or other kind of
| awareness for that matter. I can best describe the passing of
| time as both similar and dissimilar to the common experience
| with marijuana where time becomes intangible and just runs
| off - e.g. going to the toilet and coming back 20 minutes
| later asking everyone how long you were in there. There was
| no sense of waiting or idling, but instead distinct memories
| that amount to time. The largest feeling was that of
| exhaustion when coming out of it, akin to collapsing in bed
| after an incredibly long day, but that wore off quickly.
| 65 wrote:
| My experiences from psychedelics are as follows:
|
| Mushrooms: We must love each other, everything feels so warm and
| friendly.
|
| LSD: It's like I'm traveling through my entire life at 5,000
| miles per hour. Completely messes with my perception of time.
|
| DMT: Holy shit what the fuck did I just do.
|
| As for visuals, obviously DMT is the craziest. I saw the universe
| as a black hole warping space time. Tons of crazy geometric
| patterns.
|
| LSD visuals include moving shapes, seeing animals in everything,
| and lots and lots of fractals. Just don't look at yourself in the
| mirror on LSD, it'll freak you out.
|
| Mushroom visuals for me were less intense, with lots of nice
| moving patterns.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| I've tried almost every class of hallucinogen there is.
| Psychedelics, dissociatives, cannabinoids. Never did get my hands
| on salvia, but these days I don't think I'm very interested in
| trying it either. I have the most experience with psychedelics
| and cannabinoids in terms of having tried many different members
| of the class. And I've messed around with some strange ones that
| don't quite fit into any of the classes, like zopiclone(the
| sleeping med). I've also experienced stimulant/sleep deprivation
| psychosis
|
| Psychedelics for me usually involve complex geometric patterns,
| colours, and objects "breathing" and morphing. More distortions
| and extreme pareidolia than actual hallucination(defined as
| perception in the absence of stimuli). They also involve what
| feels like "enhanced" hearing, where you're able to focus on
| everything you're hearing with exactly equal attention(I honestly
| don't know if that description makes any sense), which makes
| music sound very different, especially music that's tailored for
| listening while on psychedelics, like Shpongle.
|
| The cognitive effects are also hard to describe, but there's a a
| tendency towards tangential thinking while retaining the ability
| to navigate the complex tree of tangents, a feeling of
| profoundness attached to even the simplest deduction, and a
| perceived ease of handling highly abstract ideas. There's also a
| sort of tearing down of deeply ingrained biases and
| rationalisations which in my view is how psychedelics are
| potentially very powerful accelerants of psychotherapy and
| personal change.
|
| I never liked dissociatives very much. Their effects on memory
| make it hard for me to even remember the experiences, and mostly
| what I remember from doing ketamine and MXE is that everything
| looks strange. Angles are weird. Headspace is more confused than
| profound and certainly less productive. I might just have an
| atypical reaction to dissociatives, idk.
|
| Cannabinoids are very unique drugs in that they provoke some
| combination of stimulant, sedative, psychedelic, dissociative and
| deliriant effects. Many people report that after combining
| cannabis with psychedelics multiple times, their experience with
| cannabis becomes more psychedelic. This certainly happened to me.
| I used to frequently combine 2C-B with hash several years ago.
| Ever since then if I smoke some hash with no tolerance
| essentially have a psychedelic trip for 3 hours. I quite like it.
| I get to take a short trip into a psychedelic mindspace without
| the usual hassle, longer duration, bodily side effects and sleep
| disturbances of taking a conventional psychedelics. Right now I'm
| doing it once every 4 weeks, since I'm trying to cure my
| addiction to hash by teaching myself moderation, and it's been
| working fine. Although part of me misses just the simple feeling
| of being stoned, giggling at children's cartoons and eating
| peanut butter with a spoon. I suppose I might never get that
| back.
|
| Synthetic cannabinoids are horrible drugs I wouldn't recommend to
| anyone. Their sheer potency leads to a domination of dissociative
| and deliriant effects. Psychosis is a likely outcome. Complete
| dissociation like forgetting who you are, anterograde amnesia,
| severe anxiety and paranoia. They're also quite hard on the body.
| Stay away.
|
| Zopiclone is a strange one. It's primary mode of action is the
| same as benzos, but it also has some interesting interactions
| with nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, which I suspect is what
| causes the hallucination. It's the only drug that's given me
| tactile hallucinations, which is a strange sensation. If I had to
| classify it, I'd put it in the deliriant class, but it has some
| dissociative properties too. It's strongly synergises with
| cannabinoids but also with psychedelics. For me, the recommended
| dose of 7.5mg usually caused some very mild hallucination, but 15
| was the dose I usually took. I don't recommend zopiclone though,
| as it can cause strange episodes of anterograde amnesia the day
| after. Even when used as a hypnotic. The Z-drugs were originally
| touted as being like benzos without the addiction potential. It's
| since been learned that they're exactly like benzos, addiction
| and all, just with more side effects. Boggles the mind that
| they're still prescribed at all.
| etc-hosts wrote:
| 10 year old New Yorker article on the couple who runs Erowid
|
| https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/23/the-trip-plann...
| shipscode wrote:
| Reminder that one experience with hallucinogenic substances can
| give you a lifetime of visual or mental abnormalities.
|
| Personally I've had visual snow for over a decade from a 5 minute
| Salvia trip. This means that instead of looking at the color
| white or black and seeing a clean color, I see a static cloud all
| over it. I'm one of the lucky ones - most of the people I've
| known over the years who messed with these substances ended up
| dead, with persistent mental illness, or brain fog that took
| years to clear up.
|
| You roll the dice on your mental and physical well being every
| time you ingest a hallucinogen. The characterization of these
| substances as ones which induce visual hallucinations without
| mentioning the lifetime of mental health issues they leave people
| with is dangerous.
| dmvdoug wrote:
| Reading this thread, Jesus. TIL: HN has a significant following
| of drug users. No judgment, y'all do y'all, but it was
| surprising.
| bongodongobob wrote:
| Welcome to the world. Waaaaay more people do/have done drugs
| than you think. In fact, if this is surprising to you, it might
| mean people don't trust you.
| dmvdoug wrote:
| Thank you, O wise one. Shall you be my guru?
| BizarreByte wrote:
| I've read most of the comments on this post and I can honestly
| say none of them make me want to try hallucinogenics. It just
| seems like playing with fire and asking for trouble, especially
| for those of us with severe anxiety issues.
| moscoe wrote:
| Sure sounds like an anxiety/fear response :)
| fallinditch wrote:
| Auditory hallucinations can be extremely entertaining.
|
| I ate a few magic mushrooms I found while walking in the UK. On
| returning home I went to bed to relax. Someone was playing some
| music downstairs, I could only faintly hear it, the general
| ambient sound was louder. My brain elaborated the faint auditory
| signal to create the most fantastic music I had ever heard, and
| it filled my head like it was super hi fi. Curiously I was able
| control the sound effects and elaborate instrumentation at will
| in real time, like I was some omnipotent engineer/DJ/composer.
| cpeterso wrote:
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