[HN Gopher] Narrative and the Structure of Art (2023)
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       Narrative and the Structure of Art (2023)
        
       Author : bryanrasmussen
       Score  : 30 points
       Date   : 2025-02-25 11:01 UTC (3 days ago)
        
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       | kayanne_numba_1 wrote:
       | Interesting!
        
       | cicdw wrote:
       | It's great that people are interested in art and interpretation,
       | but this piece reads like someone trying to come up with a naive
       | critical theory of art in a vacuum, completely independently from
       | the centuries of theory that have already been developed. And to
       | claim that Dada and James Joyce had no lasting influence is
       | comical.
        
         | grimpy wrote:
         | ...and not just decades of art theory, but any familiarity with
         | the actual art objects themselves.
         | 
         | Looking at the author's other (prolific) posts, I can't help
         | but wonder if this is AI spam.
        
         | mock-possum wrote:
         | Yeah it's like - an interesting start, but some things it
         | spends oddly little time on, as if they're self-evident -
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         | > the only real narrative found in graphics are in design and
         | advertising, which feedbacks to leading fine artists to
         | distrust narrative as it implies commercial considerations
         | (note the use of predominantly, there can still be fine graphic
         | arts that possess narrative)
         | 
         | Why no explanation about or examples of the narrative inherent
         | to design / advertising / commercial work? I can guess, but why
         | make me guess?
         | 
         | > the authoritative or interpretive imposition of Narrative,
         | wherein the artist or a prominent critic imposes a narrative on
         | the work that has had the narrative removed.
         | 
         | In what sense has it been removed? How is that accomplished?
         | What's an example of art that's had the narrative removed?
         | 
         | ... it's all just kind of unsatisfying. I want either
         | historical or modern examples of all these things, otherwise
         | it's all just... sort of abstract pontificating, imo.
         | 
         | Really, for an author so concerned with narrative in art...
         | it's seems like they kind of fumbled adding it to their own
         | work here. I'm left wishing there was more to the story.
        
       | smokel wrote:
       | _> But it is true of all the arts that narrative is a potential
       | factor of the artwork._
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       | You lost me there. Either you're saying nothing (everything has
       | potential for a narrative), or you're not making sense. There is
       | "anti-art" [1], which is art, so you will never be able to say
       | one conclusive thing about all art. Just say something that you
       | want to be true about art, and I'll instantly create some new art
       | that goes against it.
       | 
       | Stop trying to define art using analytical terms, and stop
       | assigning random properties to it. We've had Wittgenstein to show
       | that this is all nonsense [2], and now we have vector embeddings
       | to show that all these concepts are potentially no more than
       | social constructs. Trying to reduce that complexity to a few
       | simple rules is just folly.
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       | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-art
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       | [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familien%C3%A4hnlichkeit
        
         | autobodie wrote:
         | See "potential".
        
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