[HN Gopher] Show HN: Bracket City - A daily, exploded (?) crossw...
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       Show HN: Bracket City - A daily, exploded (?) crossword puzzle
        
       Hi hn - I co-own a diner where I co-host a puzzle night that is
       kind of like a diner-themed escape room. At the last one, I made a
       puzzle that was crossword-like clues nested in brackets. People at
       the diner seemed to like it, so I resolved to make it a real game
       and Bracket City was born: https://bracket.city.  I love
       crosswords, so it's been fun to write crossword-like clues:
       [it contains MSG]       as well as clues that would not make it
       into a crossword:                 [___ <=== you ===> hard place]
       I write all the puzzles and post a new one at midnight ET every day
       of the week.  Still working on a lot of features/fixes. I'm aware
       that scoring based on keystrokes is pretty unfair, especially given
       not-ideal custom keyboard on mobile! Still thinking through the
       best solution there.  Also fun fact: if you sign up for the email
       list, you get a special "Word of the Day" email written by James
       Somers (of https://jsomers.net). The only way to sign up for the
       email list is to finish a puzzle!  **  (answer key: NYC, ROCK)
        
       Author : brgross
       Score  : 62 points
       Date   : 2025-02-24 15:20 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | rbergs wrote:
       | Love this and play daily! Needs to have a submit button for
       | better tracking your guesses and grading you each day.
        
       | dhberger wrote:
       | Love this game, I'm addicted. It's the new Wordle
        
       | tsunego wrote:
       | cool idea, especially the newsletter so i don't need to visit the
       | website every day
        
       | showerst wrote:
       | Fun concept, but there are some really generation specific
       | references here. Smurfs, Brady Bunch, Payphones...
        
         | brgross wrote:
         | fair! I do think today's puzzle betrays my elder millennial
         | status more than most...
        
           | mckn1ght wrote:
           | As someone that does lots of crosswords, this doesn't seem at
           | all out of the ordinary. I guess the difference is that in a
           | regular crossword, these cultural unknowns can be worked
           | around if you can get the crosswords, but that's no guarantee
           | either.
        
       | m_ppp wrote:
       | Was really fun, quite enjoyed it, did think some of the
       | references were a bit too nuanced for me
        
       | dnel wrote:
       | I could really get into a UK version of this. As it is I'm at a
       | handicap with most of these clues. Great puzzle though!
        
       | johnfn wrote:
       | This is very cool. My only complaint is I should be able to go up
       | a level. e.g. I saw "unwelcome in a China shop" and instantly
       | knew it was "bull" but still had to work through a few more clues
       | before I got there.
        
         | brgross wrote:
         | have gone back and forth on this point -- so far I've decided
         | that outer brackets should be a hint that guides on you inner
         | brackets, but that you can't skip any clues
         | 
         | but I hear you!
        
           | e28eta wrote:
           | Same frustration, exacerbated by the mobile keyboard. I
           | played on an iPad with large attached keyboard, but had to
           | hunt & peck at the on screen buttons.
        
           | mckn1ght wrote:
           | I used the context as part of the clue in that way. I like it
           | that way and don't think it should change.
        
           | binary132 wrote:
           | It would mean that if you can sort it out on your own you can
           | reduce the minimum number of keystrokes by a lot
        
         | wllknj wrote:
         | I heartily agree with this. Multiple times I have had to slog
         | through multiple levels to get to where I already knew I was
         | headed.
        
       | 1-more wrote:
       | Delightful! Longtime NYT crossword solver here (when I'm in the
       | mood).
        
       | flick wrote:
       | Hey! I was at the last puzzle night (lot's of fun) and everyone
       | at my table loved the game when you came around and showed us the
       | website. I've been playing it a few times a week since!
       | 
       | Congrats!
        
       | joseda-hg wrote:
       | Cool game, some references made it a bit hard for me like the
       | Brady Bunch one or the cost to call someone who cares, but I
       | don't know to what extent there's a culture barrier vs a
       | generational one
        
         | wbobeirne wrote:
         | I think the format here is pretty brilliant, because you can
         | look at what's outside of the brackets to try to fill in a
         | reasonable answer. The Brady Bunch one was followed by ]orian,
         | which made for a useful hint.
        
           | devilbunny wrote:
           | But there are few of those that are so cleanly nested. I know
           | where it's going, but the requirement to solve every
           | individual step slows you down.
           | 
           | Of course, I've been a steady cruciverbalist for 35+ years,
           | so learning a new puzzle style will always take a while. Do
           | agree that until OP settles into a smoother rhythm, adding
           | the length of the solvable answers would help.
        
         | tgv wrote:
         | For me too. It's both cultural and generational, I guess. It's
         | pretty hard to find references that are widely understood. One
         | usually writes from one's own frame of reference; knowing what
         | others know isn't easy. Just like I don't know the names of
         | Saturday Night Live hosts (something that slowed me down in an
         | NYT puzzle recently), a puzzle maker in New York has a hard
         | time imagining the things I do know about (in this case) US
         | culture.
         | 
         | Across ages might be a bit easier, because there's more
         | material at hand in your own language, but I do notice a
         | considerable distance between me and my daughter in all kinds
         | of knowledge. E.g., I haven't keep up with pop since ages.
         | 
         | But it's a nice, and nerdy, game format.
        
       | _diyar wrote:
       | Tons of fun
        
       | angry_moose wrote:
       | Pretty fun overall.
       | 
       | I really think it at least needs to give you the number of
       | letters though. Some of the clues get really tough since you
       | don't get any information - either number of letters or a few
       | "given" letters from other clues like you get in crosswords.
       | 
       | Especially if you get "penalized" for keystrokes - there are some
       | clues that end up as a lot of random guessing because so many
       | things can solve them.
       | 
       | A good example - on Feb 19; I was guessing "New York" and "New
       | York City" over and over because I was pretty convinced that's
       | what it was. When I finally had to reveal it, finding out it
       | wanted "NYC" was pretty frustrating.
        
       | jasonpeacock wrote:
       | An annoyance is not accepting "close enough" answers, I was
       | working an older puzzle from a few days ago and the answer was
       | `pulls` and I was trying `pull`. I tried a few other things,
       | clicked for the clue (first letter was `P`), tried `pull` again
       | (does that count against my characters when I repeat failed
       | answers?), tried `pulled`, then finally got `pulls`.
       | 
       | Echoing angry_moose's suggestion, a hint about the # of letters
       | (on mouseover?) would help a lot. Or maybe that would make it too
       | easy?
        
         | tarentel wrote:
         | At least in this case, by crossword conventions, the answer has
         | to match the tense of the clue. At least all the ones I did
         | followed this convention including the one you're talking
         | about.
         | 
         | I did not see the one angry_moose is talking about but in a
         | normal crossword, even without seeing the number of letters, if
         | the clue was like, "Most populous city in the US" -> NYC vs
         | "Most populous city in the United States" -> New York City.
         | Again, not sure if that was the case here since I didn't see
         | it. (edit: I went and saw it, the clue had MSG vs Madison
         | Square Garden hence, NYC, not New York City)
         | 
         | Cool puzzle though.
        
       | carlos-menezes wrote:
       | This is a really fun game. Well done.
        
       | tsieling wrote:
       | Really fun and a fresh format. Well done!
        
       | annjose wrote:
       | This was super fun! The bracket format is brilliant. It's like
       | going on a treasure hunt, you solve one clue and the next one
       | reveals itself. Well done!
        
       | binary132 wrote:
       | This is very nice but it would be lovely if I could just skip to
       | the higher level solutions once I figure them out instead of
       | having to go through the whole tree of solutions
        
       | palsecam wrote:
       | That's a fun variation of crosswords! I like it.
       | 
       | Btw, a self-plug, for the polyglots out-there:
       | https://paul.fragara.com/cw.html Poly _-alphabets_ crosswords,
       | mixing Latin and Cyrillic letters!
        
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