[HN Gopher] Pee If You Want to Go Deeper (2021)
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Pee If You Want to Go Deeper (2021)
Author : mooreds
Score : 131 points
Date : 2025-02-23 14:53 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| vaidhy wrote:
| Thank you for talking about it. I am a guy and dive occasionally
| with a dry suit, but this is something that most people are not
| comfortable talking about.
| Marthinwurer wrote:
| Hazard Lee on YouTube has a great video going into the new system
| they have for fighter pilots to pee in their planes.
| nokun7 wrote:
| Reminded me of a few similar articles I have read that reveal how
| divers' real-world needs drive equipment evolution, transforming
| a basic human function into a catalyst for safer, more inclusive
| cold-water diving.
|
| [1] "Why Do I Need to Pee Every Time I Dive?" (DIVER Magazine),
| and
|
| [2] "Drysuit Diving Myths, Busted" (Scuba Diving)
| quitit wrote:
| Regarding diapers: supermarket brands are cheapies and can leak
| (e.g. Tena, Depends, etc.)
|
| Instead you'll want to take yourself to a pharmacy or care store
| to seek out a proper continence pad, yes they cost slightly more,
| but they work. These will not leak as you move about in the dive
| as the moisture is converted into a dry gel via super absorbent
| polymers. They feel dry to the touch and as a bonus will balance
| the pH as to not interfere with the skin's acid mantle. There is
| no threat of breaching the capacity as absorbencies can be in the
| litres.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| This seems like a sad example of "we'll do something to
| children that we'd never accept for ourselves, but it's OK
| because what can they do about it?"
| cogman10 wrote:
| They can potty train.
|
| You might argue against it for babies but at a certain stage
| feeling the moisture is a motivator for kids to learn to use
| the toilet.
|
| That's why one potty training technique is to switch kids to
| regular underwear and mange the fact that they'll be wet
| pretty frequently. It's the uncomfortable wetness that both
| makes them want to potty train and lets them understand what
| it means to hold their bladder.
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| I would definitely shit my pants frequently if it wasn't
| for the discomfort. Practical concerns aside. Smart, yet
| stinky parenting technique.
|
| Wouldn't they just start pissing literally anywhere,
| though?
| tylerrobinson wrote:
| Yes, they will pee anywhere because their whole lives
| they've been covered in a soft diaper. But it doesn't
| take long for them to learn that is an uncomfortable
| feeling in normal underwear and there's an incentive to
| use the toilet.
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| What is the incentive? Urine is only very smelly when a
| lot of people are peeing in the same place, so a kid will
| not learn why there is any problem with just pissing in
| random corners of the house.
| batch12 wrote:
| Parenting provides the rest of the correction needed to
| finish the process.
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| There is always violence, at the end
| badlucklottery wrote:
| > What is the incentive?
|
| You reward them with praise when they pee in the toilet.
| People are pretty receptive to praise and kids even more
| so.
| aqueueaqueue wrote:
| Yes they even have diapers/nappies for toddlers that absorb
| less on purpose.
| themaninthedark wrote:
| I was in disposable diapers as a kid but they used cloth
| reusable for my brother 2 years younger than me. One night
| they ran out of disposable so they outfitted me with a
| cloth one, next morning I was dry and I refused to wear
| diapers after that.
| tinco wrote:
| As father to a toddler, the diapers we have (pampers brand)
| definitely contain these extremely absorbent polymers. They
| never leak and can contain insane amounts of liquid.
| Sometimes you forget about the diapers for half a day and
| there's no leaks and almost no irritation if the skin.
| dmurray wrote:
| The discount supermarket ones we use seem just as good.
| Also based on the absorbent gel, no leaks, no irritation.
| Townley wrote:
| Those diapers say 10-18lbs on the package, but they
| actually hold waaaaay less urine than that
|
| --First dad joke my brother in law bestowed upon me after
| my daughter was born
| pmarreck wrote:
| The latest Pampers diaper tech for kiddos is a veritable
| marvel of human technology. It will expand to like 5+ times
| the size while feeling dry (more or less) to the touch on the
| inside. It's still gross to deal with, but not remotely as
| much as I would have expected.
|
| Source: Am new dad of 3.5 year old boy
| evan_ wrote:
| kids pee a lower volume than adults
| brianpan wrote:
| I've seen similar for when you are wearing a motorcycle suit.
|
| You can search for pee/urination funnel. Apparently, commonly
| used for camping as well.
| smurpy wrote:
| I came to the chat before reading the piece only to find myself
| confronted with my assumption that it was about going deeper into
| flow while coding -- and this is how some innovations happen!
| elif wrote:
| I'm sorry but am I the only one wanting more info than "of course
| me can just use a zipper"
|
| I'm kinda confused how one can maintain a dry suit and zip open
| their fly?
| nradov wrote:
| The relief zipper installed on some men's drysuits isn't for
| use underwater. It's just for use on the surface, to save the
| hassle of partially removing the drysuit (can be difficult on
| small boats). But it's also a source of leaks so no one really
| uses them anymore.
| bean-weevil wrote:
| > PEE SLOWLY
|
| Ok, this has got me curious - is this an anatomical difference?
| I'm male and I find it very, very uncomfortable to pee slowly.
| Almost painful.
| Twisol wrote:
| I had this thought too. My best guess is that it's down to the
| length of the urethra. Have you ever lifted liquid out of a
| glass using a straw, by capping the upper end of the straw with
| a finger? That liquid wants to fall, but that causes the gas
| volume above the liquid to expand, so vacuum pressure pulls the
| water upward, counteracting gravity, and also pulls your finger
| into the straw slightly. I imagine that, for a longer column of
| fluid, that vacuum pressure is at least a contributing factor
| to the unpleasant feeling. (Not to mention that, when
| urinating, that column of liquid is already _moving rapidly_!)
| andrewflnr wrote:
| Male here: it's a lot more manageable if you control it with
| your pubococcygeal(sp?) muscles, the ones you can also use to
| control ejaculation. I've had to do this while peeing into a
| bottle that wasn't necessarily big enough. It still sucks, but
| not so much due to physical discomfort.
| malfist wrote:
| > use to control ejaculation
|
| Wait. What?
| itishappy wrote:
| > The perineal muscles are involved in ejaculation when
| they are involuntarily contracted. The ischiocavernosus
| muscle is responsible for male erection, and the
| bulbocavernosus muscle is responsible for ejaculation. By
| actively contracting the perineal muscles with Kegel
| exercises regularly, strength and control of these muscles
| increase, possibly aiding in the avoidance of premature
| ejaculation.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegel_exercise
| andrewflnr wrote:
| Uh, yeah. It's surprisingly difficult to find really
| reputable sources online that directly address it, but you
| can kinda just try it. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt
| h/treatments/22211-kegel... "Pelvic floor exercises" is
| probably the right search phrase.
| because_789 wrote:
| As a guy I found this article oddly riveting -- the author
| seems super cool for being so candid. But the "pee slowly"
| thing had me coming to the comments to learn more: is this
| something ladies can typically do?
| isoprophlex wrote:
| I'm a guy but for me it just... takes more time to finish
| pissing?
|
| Then again I found out in my teenage years that not everyone is
| able to stop urinating on command, too. Something to do with
| excessive drinking, pissing in public places, and some friends
| not being able to haul their little firehoses in before the
| cops took notice.
|
| Does pinching it off mid-piss hurt for you, as well?
| belorn wrote:
| I would say that a primary reason to do it slowly is to not put
| too much pressure into it, which is true for both women and
| men. The p-valve involving gluing it on your body, and the tube
| is soft which can easily get kinks. It can balloon and there is
| always the risk that the pressure find an alternative way that
| is not the outside of the drysuit.
|
| I do not find it too uncomfortable to restrict myself to not
| add a lot of pressure, which will fairly naturally result in
| quite slow peeing. The fear of rapture is fairly major one,
| especially the first time of a dive when your trust in the glue
| (and tube routing) might not be at its peak.
| itishappy wrote:
| Never had that problem. Also male. I used to play games with it
| in middle school, hopping from urinal to urinal, now I modulate
| my flow to reduce splashing.
|
| If there are anatomical differences, they're not entirely
| gender-based.
| nanoxide wrote:
| I know nothing about diving. Why can't you pee in a dry suit
| (except that one might find it gross)? I assumed that you could
| just rinse the suit afterwards. Or is being underwater a factor,
| because it gets too cold or the pressure does something with it
| or...?
| Twisol wrote:
| Except for the gross factor? The author seems pretty clear
| that, yes, you can:
|
| > For those of you asking, what are my options for diving in a
| dry suit? Well... you can just hold it (again, if you have a
| bladder of steel), nappies/diapers, the p-valve, or just pee in
| the suit (which is gross and defeats the whole purpose of the
| dry suit, right?).
|
| The "purpose of the dry suit" is to keep you dry. If you're
| _literally_ wetting yourself, and with a fluid that is rather
| more chemically offensive than water, then you 're probably
| going to have a bad time. (I don't know how temperature-
| controlled dry suits are, but you lose heat a lot more easily
| through contact with a liquid (that's what sweat is for!), so
| the urine puddle probably makes heat retention harder, too.)
| hinkley wrote:
| I live where the water barely gets warm enough to swim in
| during the summer, so kayaking is often a dry suit activity.
| When I was taking a class I had quite a time staying cool.
| Some people flip on purpose, or you just shove as much of an
| arm into the water as you can and wait. A dry suit makes
| 50degF water feel like a crisp morning with still air,
| instead of torture.
|
| Water inside reduces that insulation. I wore my synthetic
| base layers underneath just in case.
| _caw wrote:
| You're generally not wearing just a drysuit if the water is
| cold. Under the outer shell, you often wear multiple
| undergarments to keep warm. Think a base layer, underwear,
| socks, 1-piece.
| tecleandor wrote:
| When I started diving I still didn't understand the difference
| between dry and wet suits. Although a dry suit could look
| pretty similar to a regular wet suit to a non diver from far
| away, the way of wearing it is way different.
|
| A wet suit is used in warm/hot weather were the insulation
| provided by the neoprene and the wather that gets trapped
| between the suit and your body is enough. If you pee on a wet
| suit, well, your wet anyway, and it's not much of a difference.
|
| A dry suit is what is used for really cold weather, and it's
| really dry inside. It's watertight. For keeping yourself warm
| inside the suit, you just wear some layers of "regular" dry
| clothes. So if you pee in a dry suit, your peeing on your dry
| clothes.
|
| Would be like peeing in your flight or space suit (without a
| catheter like system like the described in the post)
| itishappy wrote:
| You lose heat 25x faster when wet.
| nradov wrote:
| Good article. I think this issue is a major reason why there are
| relatively few women diving in cold water, especially when it
| comes to technical diving that involves long exposures.
| deskr wrote:
| She mentions the male version with a zip on the front. How does
| that work, do you just unzip, haul it out and have a go in the
| freezing cold sea? Don't you fill up the suit with sea?
| matsemann wrote:
| It's more that you can go between dives without having to de-
| suit completely, I think.
| perfmode wrote:
| why not just pee into the suit?
|
| edit: ah it's a dry suit not a wet suit
| itishappy wrote:
| Peeing in a wetsuit is one of life's small pleasures.
| hermitcrab wrote:
| Related thought - How did knights in plate armour manage? Were
| there accomodation for taking a pee without having to take a
| significsant amount of armour off?
| clort wrote:
| The armour needs to be quite flexible in this area anyway as
| your hips and legs need to bend. they just used flaps of
| chainmail rather than seal you in. Look at some images.
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