[HN Gopher] Ugandan runner Jacob Kiplimo completes first ever su...
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Ugandan runner Jacob Kiplimo completes first ever sub-57 minute
half marathon
Author : mooreds
Score : 162 points
Date : 2025-02-17 02:29 UTC (20 hours ago)
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| duxup wrote:
| I never understood running until long ago I was running for some
| school event and just got into that grove where ... it didn't
| hurt to run and I felt like I could go forever.
|
| How these guys do it for that long and that fast still amazes me,
| but I felt like i got a little glimpse into how it works.
| ptmcc wrote:
| Similar boat here. I used to hate running and joked that it was
| playing sports without the fun game part. Why would anyone want
| to do that??
|
| But then somewhere in my mid-30s something clicked, and now I
| love it. Like you said got to get over that initial hump of it
| hurting, doesn't take long, and then it's just soooooo good.
|
| I'm not running any races or training for anything in
| particular. I just run for me and my physical and mental health
| several days a week. It's my "me" time. I definitely get it
| now.
|
| Also a great way to explore all the nooks and crannies of my
| city, and find how to link up all the parks and trails and cut-
| throughs.
| mathieuh wrote:
| I think it's the same for all endurance sports. I think there's
| about a month of pain that you have to get through when you
| first start but then you realise you're actually enjoying it.
|
| For me it's cycling, I do 300-400 km per week now and I
| absolutely love everything about it. The feeling you get when
| you find a smooth bit of road on a still day and you can feel
| is the wind in your face and all you can hear is the swish,
| swish, swish of your tyres is unmatched. It feels like you're
| flying.
| lostlogin wrote:
| Flat tarmac, GP5000s, no wind or a tail breeze and it feels
| like you can go forever. I love grabbing a wheel and
| switching in with someone of a similar pace. The combined
| effort boost you both so much. As you say, the sound a nice
| pair of wheels makes is unbeatable.
|
| You weekly distance is excellent. Work and life get in the
| way of me exceeding 300 regularly, I sit at 250ish.
| arkh wrote:
| > The feeling you get when you find a smooth bit of road on a
| still day
|
| If you have not already you should try rowing. When you get
| some speed on water it feels really good.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| Just my opinion, but I feel like these kind of sports are
| unbalanced, because our muscles are mostly powerful for
| legs, of course rowing is still using legs, but not much
| more than arms
| slaughtr wrote:
| If you have proper rowing form your arms are almost
| entirely used just for holding on. The majority of your
| power comes from legs and core.
|
| Not a professional rower, just looked into form when I
| was using a rowing machine.
| randomcarbloke wrote:
| or it does when you're not rowing for time.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| cycling on mostly flat roads is not as intense as running to
| be fair, what I like in cycling is going uphill out of the
| saddle, I used to do hills repeatedly like that, totalling a
| few vertical kilometers without refueling nor drinking, that
| gave great sensations
|
| It's always a great idea to do regular cycling no matter the
| elevation as it's a great "compacting machine" for digestion
| mathieuh wrote:
| I meant "flat" as in not potholed to fuck, the roads where
| I am are completely destroyed
|
| I actually live in a fairly hilly area, per 100 km I would
| expect to do at least 1,000 m elevation
| ainiriand wrote:
| I run but I always wanted to cycle, it is just sharing the
| road with cars feel super-scary to me. Do you have any
| advice?
| mathieuh wrote:
| I get up really early and stay on back roads. But for cars,
| there's a lot you can do in terms of road position and so
| on. For me, if I feel like I'm approaching a dangerous
| situation I move into the middle of the road. I also
| generally ride quite far away from the kerb. A lot of
| drivers will happily pass you way too close if you give
| them the opportunity, but there aren't a lot of people who
| will just drive straight through the back of you if you're
| in the way.
|
| That leads into riding defensively. I ride with the mindset
| that everyone is trying to kill both me and themselves. I
| expect people to pull out in front of me, I expect doors to
| open etc.
|
| To get a bit more used to being around cars I would
| recommend getting up early.
|
| But really the main thing is confidence. You have just as
| much a right to be there as anyone else, and in reality the
| vast majority of drivers are great. I very rarely have bad
| experiences with cars. Obviously it takes time to build up
| confidence, but at the end of the day a confident,
| assertive rider who signals and manoeuvres well ahead of
| time is going to be safer than a nervous, skittish rider.
| desertrider12 wrote:
| Look at gravel or mountain biking! If you live near some
| farmland, ranches or a national forest, there are likely
| miles of public dirt roads that hardly get any car traffic.
| trailforks.com is a good place to start to see what's near
| you.
| belZaah wrote:
| Technique is a big part of it. There's actually a specific way
| to fast running engaging your core and making sure all parts of
| your legs are used in a way most suitable for them.
| dyauspitr wrote:
| I've been running for years and I've never got into that groove
| though I wanted it for so long. Lucky bastard.
| x86_64Ubuntu wrote:
| I've always wondered what happens psychologically and
| physically when you hit that state where you can pretty much go
| forever. It's like I begin daydreaming and I forget that I feel
| like I'm about to die from the running. One thing I noticed was
| that it never happened before the 1st mile, it was always after
| mile 2 that I would mentally drift off.
| thefz wrote:
| A combination of being under your lactate threshold, and of
| course exercise released endorphins. It's fleeting, but nice
| when it hits.
| potamic wrote:
| I could never achieve this. Even after months of consistent
| training, my heart rate tends to shoot up pretty fast and max
| out even for small effort runs. Cardiologist tests haven't
| turned up anything and they insist I can continue to do what
| I'm doing (some even saying I shouldn't be afraid to go beyond
| max HR, but I don't know about that). If anyone else
| experiences the same or has some insight into this, do share.
|
| EDIT: what my training looks like: zone 2 training with a chest
| strap monitor. 30-45 min sessions, barely breaking out of
| walking speed, 2-3 days a week for months altogether, mixing it
| up with interval runs some times. I've done this many times
| over in my life, never seeing any improvement. Even today, the
| smallest of jogs will take me to max HR within 10-15 min
| orobinson wrote:
| I'm not a doctor but perhaps try running with a smart watch
| that shows you your heart rate and put in an amount of effort
| that keeps your heart rate at about 60-70% of max. For now
| that may be a brisk walking pace not even a jog. As you get
| fitter your heart rate should come down for the equivalent
| speed. I also used to go for runs and hit max within a few
| minutes and stay there for the whole run but ultimately I
| think I was just pushing too hard.
| potamic wrote:
| That's what I do, zone 2 training. I use a chest strap
| monitor too. 30-45 min sessions, 2-3 days a week for months
| altogether, mixing it up with intervals some times. I've
| done this many times over in my life, never seeing any
| improvement. Even today, the smallest of jogs will take me
| to max HR within 10-15 min.
| vasco wrote:
| Is there any reason for such strictness with your heart
| rate? I never measured anything and always progress up to
| a nice speed, and then it's when it flattens. Mix up the
| trainings and leave the HR monitor at home. Do ones where
| you just sprint as often as you can and others where you
| go slow, if you see some stairs during your run just
| sprint over them, etc. Of course, only if you're a
| regular person without existing heart issues.
| xarope wrote:
| Do you have any medical conditions?
|
| Assuming you've had yourself checked up, and do not have
| any medical conditions, then maybe you are just
| aerobically deficient (https://uphillathlete.com/aerobic-
| training/aerobic-deficienc...). Start slower, doesn't
| matter if you are walking. In fact, if you are doing 3x45
| mins of zone 2 each week, start doing 2x45mins of brisk
| walking to keep your heart rate at zone 2. After about
| 4-6 weeks, you should find that you can start jogging
| again and hopefully (!) your heart rate doesn't peak so
| fast.
|
| (I'm assuming a lot of things here, namely that you know
| what your LT1/LT2 are so that you can accurately
| calculate your 5 zones;
| https://www.trainingpeaks.com/learn/articles/joe-friel-s-
| qui...)
| Gigachad wrote:
| It sounds dumb, but have you tried just running slower? And
| using a watch or something to see your pace so you don't
| subconsciously keep pushing faster.
| potamic wrote:
| Yes, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43076161
| mattlondon wrote:
| When I first started running outside, I had no idea on pace.
| I ran at what I felt was "reasonable" and what I felt was
| similar to my experience of treadmill runs. It was really
| rough and hard work!
|
| Tl;Dr - I got a basic thing that told me my pace (this was
| pre-smartphones but basic wearables existed) and turned out
| what I thought was relatively gentle and reasonable speed was
| actually a really fast pace and totally unsustainable.
|
| When I knew what my pace actually was, I could stick to a
| much more sustainable (for me) ~5:30 min/km pace and it felt
| soooo slow and embarrassing and like I was barely even moving
| in comparison! But this was a much more realistic pace for a
| tubby software engineer. And for a long time I had to keep
| checking the pace as the speed would creep up during a run
| and it took discipline to "stay slow".
|
| I use the runkeeper app that has the option to do pace read
| outs through your headphones every few minutes. I'd recommend
| trying something like that, and perhaps try to begin with a
| pace of like 6 or 7 min/km for 10-15 mins runs and stick to
| it and see if that helps, before starting to extend duration
| and speed after you've built some endurance. I've found
| fitness and condition improves fairly rapidly - O(weeks).
| Good luck.
| potamic wrote:
| I've done a lot of zone 2 training with no improvement -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43076161
| mattlondon wrote:
| I would probably ignore anything about "zones" or
| "intervals"-this or "intensity"-that. Bollocks to it all
| - we are evolved and built to run. Just get out and move
| in a way that feels comfortable to you.
|
| Perhaps right now your fitness levels mean all you can do
| is a brisk walk for 10 mins? That's totally fine. Don't
| try and think you have to be following some workout plan
| by doing some sort of "zone" thing or some "interval"
| thing for X minutes. Listen to your body and take it
| slow.
| potamic wrote:
| I did that for many years before attempting this. The
| results are not very different end of the day, zone
| training just seems to be a dumbed down framework to
| ensure consistency.
| phreeza wrote:
| How did you determine your max? It's quite variable across
| people, the age-based formulas are useless for most people.
| potamic wrote:
| Age based formula only. They stop the stress tests at this
| point. I could probably go over this, but I'll be worried
| about exerting the heart too much.
| igouy wrote:
| There are corrected formula.
|
| "HRmax was univariately explained by the formula 211 -
| 0.64*age, and we found no evidence of interaction with
| gender, physical activity, VO2max level, or BMI groups. ...
| Previously suggested prediction equations underestimated
| measured HRmax in subjects older than 30 years."
|
| https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1600-0838
| ....
| phreeza wrote:
| That formula also doesn't have much better performance,
| check out figure 2 in this study to get a feel for how
| much variance is left over, no matter how good your model
| is, age is just not enough:
|
| https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/
| 10....
| igouy wrote:
| As-it says in the Abstract I linked:
|
| "HRmax predicted by age alone may be practically
| convenient for various groups, although a standard error
| of 10.8 beats/min must be taken into account."
|
| Shall we say 150--190 95% CI for me? (Rarely do I make
| enough effort to reach 155bpm.)
| phreeza wrote:
| Not sure I understand what you are trying to say, do you
| find the prediction to be helpful? 150-190 BPM is such a
| huge range, what useful information can be derived from
| it?
| igouy wrote:
| It provides perspective and a target training effort.
|
| I've done a good session if I push to 155 bpm. I don't
| need to worry about finger-sticks for lactate accuracy,
| because there's no-risk I'll do twice-a-day twice-a-week
| threshold sessions.
|
| If I'm not even in the low-end of that huge bpm range, I
| quit and take a recovery day.
| dh5 wrote:
| If you are running less than 30 miles per week or so and
| don't have multiple injury risk factors (e.g. prior history
| of injury, being older, female) you can fairly safely run at
| whatever pace you'd like and know that running more and
| running faster will help you become faster.
|
| The idea of "zone 2 training" that is peddled sometimes on
| social media makes no sense if you're not running consistent
| mileage and actively looking to run faster. At that point,
| the idea is that you're minimizing injury risk in between 2+
| hard efforts per week, while still getting in the miles.
| fastasucan wrote:
| Try to use the same effort you have for your 30/45 min
| efforts just break them down into f.ex 3 min jog then 1 min
| walking. Start with just the same speed.
| thefz wrote:
| > what my training looks like: zone 2 training with a chest
| strap monitor
|
| Not really going anywhere unless you step into
| tempo/threshold/VO2 max training.
| xarope wrote:
| to echo what the others say, at such low mileage you probably
| should mix in some threshold running (run at a fast pace you
| can maintain for ~30mins) and not just depend on zone 2;
| also, you should try to meet/exceed 45 minutes for zone 2.
| scott_w wrote:
| Just reading your other replies, I'm curious: did you test
| your heart rate or did you use a calculator? The 220-your age
| is completely incorrect for most people.
|
| I prefer a lactate test, rather than max HR, because it's
| "easier" for me to induce. Basically, run a 30 minute, even
| paced, maximal effort. You then calculate your LT by removing
| 5% off the pace and HR averages you got.
|
| The important part is the pace must be reasonably even and
| also maximum effort. So, it'll feel easy to start and by the
| end you'll want to vomit. If you're lucky enough to live near
| a Park Run, you can do this a few times instead to learn your
| max effort pacing and work out Z2 from that.
| kefirlife wrote:
| My heart rate would also go up quickly for the first few
| months. I would slow down and still find myself at a
| threshold level effort. After 3-4 months of consistent
| efforts my heart rate started to come down and I would only
| reach threshold if really pushing it. It may be that you need
| to slow down and give your body time to adjust. I also bike
| and for a long time there was a huge disparity in my on bike
| performance compared to my running performance. However, over
| time my running performance has improved a lot and I finally
| developed an easy gear.
|
| I'm still slow when running, but then my goal is just to be
| able to run and not get injured. I built from 5k, to 10k and
| now can complete half marathon races on trails, which is a
| lot of fun. I'm a big advocate for minimal footwear and
| building strong feet. We are born to run, but modern footwear
| is silly.
| thoughtpalette wrote:
| Have the same issue. You've probably already found out it's
| called Cardiac Drift. I can run at the same pace for a 5k,
| and my heart rate is linear up to max/max+ every time. I ran
| ~500mi last year and it was the same almost every run. I
| tried to slow down from ~8:50mi to ~10:00mi with no real
| discernible difference. Kind of a bummer. Going to get my
| arteries mapped out soon (former smoker).
| paulpauper wrote:
| same here. I crap out really fast despite a healthy 22 BMI.
| Feet get sore, everything hurts, out of breath, pain
| everywhere. So much for running ability being universally
| evolutionary innate as some claimed by scientists. It's
| highly variable, not something everyone can do well.
| igouy wrote:
| But what's your body age?
|
| https://hvemereldst.no/en/
| nasmorn wrote:
| This year I will have run half the earths circumference at
| some point. My feet still get sore, everything hurts, out
| of breath, pain everywhere. Just takes longer now for that
| to set in.
| ajkjk wrote:
| Anyone who doesn't run much feels that for a long time when
| they statt. How long have you been at it?
|
| Personally I feel like it started to feel better only when
| I built some strength in the whole legs and core muscle
| areas, such that they would all work together to make me
| move. It's hard to describe. But if I run after sitting a
| lot when everything is tight and seized up, I'll go back to
| feeling like a beginner.
| igouy wrote:
| 1) The Cardiac Exercise Research Group at the NTNU has a
| corrected HRmax calculator --
|
| https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/hrmax
|
| -- and a Fitness Calculator --
|
| https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/vo2max
|
| -- based on treadmill VO2max tests of thousands of
| Norwegians.
|
| Check your scores.
|
| 2) You say your heart-rate shoots-up fast. Does your heart-
| rate drop-down fast when you stop exercise?
|
| At-rest maybe 50, warmup-jog maybe 100, then it depends on
| the ambient temperature. If it's 85F then HR drifts up to 140
| and flattens. If it's 50F then HR drifts to 110 and flattens.
| Then it depends on effort. If it's 85F and hard then 155; if
| it's 50F and hard then 135.
|
| Last-time I looked my calculated HRmax was 170.
|
| 3) I'm not offering medical advice. In my understanding HRmax
| does not mean something bad will happen if heart rate goes
| higher. HRmax means heart rate is unlikely to go higher.
|
| Maybe trust your cardiologists?
| 90ne1 wrote:
| As a new runner, your heart rate will be really high. Unless
| you have some notable cardiac risk it's not a big deal.
|
| Ignore the zone 2 messaging for now. Zone 2 training is
| basically useless for getting better at running when you're
| just starting because a new runner staying in zone 2 is just
| walking. You need to run to get better at running. For now,
| just ignore heart rate and focus on how you feel. Do run/walk
| and gradually work on increasing the time you run before you
| stop to walk.
|
| PS.
|
| "Zone 2", "80/20" and the like is advice that's really meant
| for intermediate runners starting to train more seriously and
| it basically just means "it's better to run easy most of the
| time so you can run more, and so when you do run hard you can
| get full benefit because you're not already exhausted. "
|
| It is good advice in context but has been spouted without
| context by so many running youtubers and influencers that it
| has probably done more harm than good.
| justinator wrote:
| I remember the first time I rode a bike for 30 miles, I
| couldn't even sit down without intense cramping. I ate an
| entire large pizza loaded with toppings.
|
| Within a year, I rode a bike across the US.
|
| The body adapts to the load it's given, provided enough time.
| leokennis wrote:
| I've been running for years but never got into that groove. I
| know and can "sense" my body well enough now that I know I can
| run for a long time with a 165 bpm heart rate, and I can adjust
| my speed/effort to not exceed that bpm. But it's never
| effortless or carefree running, it is really "stoking the
| engine" with focus and precision...
|
| I still enjoy hitting targets, improving my speed and technique
| etc. but it is never a relaxing process.
| vasco wrote:
| Maybe never going slow enough? There should be a pace where
| you can comfortably hold a conversation as if nothing is
| happening, specially after years of running. It might just be
| slower than you think, but "conversation pace" is how I think
| about it.
| lm28469 wrote:
| Yep, slow down enough so that you don't sweat and can
| breathe 100% through your nose. At first you'll be very
| slow but if you keep on going weeks after week you'll
| slowly get faster. A big part of it is mental too, if
| you're in relatively good shape even as a complete beginner
| your body shouldn't complain too much for at least an hour,
| if you're experienced you should be able to sustain that
| for hours
|
| That's what I do as an amateur but then again I have no
| running watch, I run in $15 shoes, I don't care about PR,
| distance, &c. all I care about is slowly and safely
| building cardiovascular endurance
| LeonM wrote:
| My story was exactly like yours. I have been running for many
| years, did a few half marathons, but it never got easier. I
| could never do the 'effortless' carefree running that I heard
| so many talking about.
|
| In 2021 I got COVID and couldn't run since. I'd be exhausted
| and out of breath after just a kilometer or so, it was
| frustrating to say the least. To overcome that I proposed a
| 100-day running challenge with a buddy. We live in different
| cities, so we just ran our own distance and speed we were
| comfortable with. No tracking app, no stats, no target time
| or distance, just go out every day and go for a run. First 50
| days were frustrating, it took me weeks to just get up to
| just 2km and then immediately plateaued. The around day 50 I
| noticed I could slowly start to pick up distance. I
| intentionally capped the distance to 6km or so, knowing that
| a 100-day streak is not great for your body. The last 10 days
| I decided to run 10km every day, which to my surprise I could
| do effortlessly. And I noticed something else changed. I did
| the 10km and then I... just wanted to keep going. I didn't
| though, knowing that 10km a day was already a terrible idea
| for someone of my age.
|
| After the challenge I took 2 weeks to recover, and then I
| just went for a long run, see what would happen. I did 16km
| that day and other than noticing being low on energy at the
| end, I never felt out of breath. I didn't set that as a
| target, I just kept going until I no longer felt like going
| further. I now regularly do a 25km run, but there are also
| days where I do 10 and feel content. I don't bring my phone
| or smartwatch, I don't track my time or progress, I don't set
| targets, I don't care anymore. When it feels good I'll keep
| going, and if not I'll just do a shorter route, I'm no longer
| pushing myself. Running has now become my way of relaxing,
| gathering my thoughts, enjoying being outside. It has become
| effortless and carefree.
|
| Maybe for everyone it's different, but in my N=1 experience I
| just needed to stop chasing progress, don't set expectations,
| no targets. Just get out there and enjoy yourself. Sometimes
| I do still push myself just for fun to see what I'm now
| capable of, but other than that I deliberately stay below my
| limit.
|
| Not sure what the takeaway from this story is supposed to be,
| I just felt like sharing. Hopefully it helps someone finding
| more enjoyment in running :-)
| zimpenfish wrote:
| The greatest improvement I got in running and general
| fitness was early 2015 when I did the "do >=1km a day" for
| 5 months. Often times it was a quick sprint around the
| block just before midnight (and sometimes then resting
| until after midnight to knock off the next day if I was
| busy) but sometimes it was a decent distance. The
| consistency was what really got everything flowing though.
| leokennis wrote:
| > I don't bring my phone or smartwatch, I don't track my
| time or progress, I don't set targets, I don't care
| anymore.
|
| I'm jealous of this "Forrest Gump" mindset...I also run to
| maintain/lose weight, so I use my watch (plus intuition, as
| mentioned) to manage my pace/heart rate/effort so I can run
| a long enough distance to burn enough calories.
|
| Although I also realize and acknowledge all these stats are
| probably at least 50% there to satisfy my caveman need for
| external validation.
| chneu wrote:
| Trails. I've been running for over a decade and have never
| once "enjoyed" a city or pavement run. A half marathon in the
| city feels like torture but I can easily do 50k runs on
| trails.
|
| Humans aren't meant to run on pavement in the city or on
| treadmills. It makes running much less enjoyable.
| nasmorn wrote:
| Unless your true max is at 195 or something 165 HR will not
| feel effortless. I ran 25k at 132HR on Sunday and even there
| the last 8k where no longer carefree. My HRmax is 186
| currently and my threshold HR is about 170bpm.
| leokennis wrote:
| With the "220 minus your age" rule my max would be 182 bpm.
| If I run at 175 bpm I can manage 30 minutes and run ~6K in
| that time (and be very tired the rest of the day). 165 bpm
| I can manage for an hour.
|
| Beyond that, boredom and sore feet set in before cardio
| becomes the limit. I can't imagine ever running 25K...even
| at a low(er) HR. Maybe if I lose another 5 to 10 kg of
| weight...
| montebicyclelo wrote:
| Top runners can run fast and far without it hurting. But when
| going for personal bests / very fast times, my understanding is
| that it is painful, for most of the run. E.g. watch some
| parkrun vlogs, and you'll hear people say things like "after
| the first 1km it's really painful, so just take things one step
| at a time, and hold on to the pace", etc.
| rojeee wrote:
| "it never gets easier, you just get faster", or so the saying
| goes
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| I guess you used highly cushioned shoes?
| adharmad wrote:
| Something about the East African runners is just built
| differently to excel in endurance running. Probably a combination
| of genetics and training.
| defrost wrote:
| if you can't beat the Kenyans then join them Zane
| Robertson famously moving from Hamilton in 2007 at age 17,
| along with his twin brother Jake, in part to escape bullying
| and a broken family, to live and train in Kenya with the hope
| of mixing it among the best distance runners in the world.
|
| . . . _and dabble in a bit of doping_ -
| https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/athletics/2023/03/26/zane-r...
| riffraff wrote:
| I'd wager there's probably a social factor too: if for any
| reason a given population is slightly better at X then X
| becomes more popular which leads to more support, more
| practitioners and in turn this becomes self-reinforcing.
| k1kingy wrote:
| Rugby in New Zealand is a good example of this. Our small
| country with a small population is (and basically always has
| been) one of the top teams in the world.
|
| Not only at the elite level, but our junior teams and even
| school teams perform well on the world stage.
|
| Like you say, that social factor plays a huge part in it.
| Support, funding, etc etc
| ruthie_cohen wrote:
| Similarly with Australians and swimming, or Dagestan and
| combat sports.
| aadhavans wrote:
| Cricket in India comes to mind.
| nasmorn wrote:
| India has 1.4bn people. It is honestly weird they are not
| dominating in more sports. Once they really move out of
| being a developing nation and spend more on frivolous
| pursuits like Olympic medals I bet they will do just
| that.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| 99.9% lifestyle & environment & education, 0.1% genetics, like
| for intelligence
| Graziano_M wrote:
| intelligence is something like 60-80% heritable
| thrance wrote:
| It's mostly cultural. Your parent's background deeply
| impacts your own and your relationship to education,
| science culture. Read Bourdieu if you haven't already.
| l0t0b0r0s wrote:
| Its actually 60-80% heritable. The twin adoption study
| showed that twins raised in different environment have
| the same IQ. It also makes sense logically; why would
| only physical characteristics be heritable and not mental
| ones.
|
| >Read Bourdieu "Bourdieu contended there is
| transcendental objectivity, [definition needed] only when
| certain necessary historical conditions are met."
|
| This guy sounds like a midwit.
| thrance wrote:
| Correlation is not causation. Generally, adoptive
| families in these studies come from similar socio-
| economic backgrounds [1].
|
| With your theory, how would you explain adopted refugees
| children doing much better at IQ tests than they would
| have if the stayed in their home countries?
|
| Also dismissing Bourdieu as a midwit? Yeah, ok. Come back
| when you actually want to expand your world view.
|
| [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#He
| ritabil...
| rbtkngofauc wrote:
| >It's mostly cultural. Your parent's background deeply
| impacts [...]
|
| Bruh
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| it's only heritable in the sense that intelligent parents
| will spend time with their child
| aithrowawaycomm wrote:
| A lot of these runners come from ethnic groups which live in
| highlands and mountains: extensive aerobic training in lower-O2
| environments, then competing at standard elevations, seems to
| be the most important advantage:
| https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225064362_Kenyan_an...
|
| There is probably a minor genetic component, microevolution
| promoting higher hemoglobin/etc than average, similarly to many
| Tibetans. But childhood conditioning seems to be a more
| powerful effect.
| vivzkestrel wrote:
| 20 kms in 57 mins??? goddamn that is like a km every 3 mins and
| that too on a sustained run.
| kazinator wrote:
| 21.1 in under 57.
| smm11 wrote:
| No, that's something like 4:19 miles, or 64.9 400 meter runs,
| for nearly an hour.
| canucker2016 wrote:
| for a breakdown of his run, see Total Running Productions'
| analysis agt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8jJu04QcK4
|
| His middle 10K (5K-15K) took 26:13, which is 2 seconds off
| the 10K track world record.
| wging wrote:
| That reported 26:13 split is incorrect. It was actually
| 26:33, which is still crazy fast but more in line with the
| rest of the race.
|
| > his 15km split was initially recorded as 39:47 before it
| was confirmed after the race as 40:07, improving his own
| world best.
|
| (5km was 13:34)
|
| https://worldathletics.org/competitions/world-athletics-
| labe...
| elevaet wrote:
| Half marathon in 57min is 2:42/km :0
|
| I'm an ok hobby runner and I'm not even sure I can hit that
| speed momentarily on a downhill.
| riffraff wrote:
| For an additional reference: the 100m Olympic times are ~10s,
| so if you'd run at a sprinter pace it'd be 1:40/km. Marathon
| times are insane.
| userbinator wrote:
| 6.2m/s or 22km/h (20ft/s or 13.8mph). The average human can
| definitely sprint faster than that, but obviously can't keep
| up that speed for long.
| mplewis9z wrote:
| I'm in fairly good shape from biking pretty much every day
| and my average _cycling_ speed on my hybrid bike is below
| that, my goodness. If I'm on a completely flat trail,
| carrying nothing else with me, and I'm really pushing it I
| can average about 16 mph for an hour but to know that
| there's someone out there running as fast as I bike is
| absurd.
| scns wrote:
| 16 > 13.8 no?
| buybackoff wrote:
| When I was running marathons and in good shape, I tried to
| reach Kipchoge's marathon pace on 100m. I did not reach it
| by a tiny margin. I disliked and never trained for short
| distanced and that was a single attempt for fun after 5K
| jogging, which was more a warm-up than a load. My shape was
| definitely above "the average human" at that time. Their
| speed is incomprehensible.
| patrick0d wrote:
| the average human certainly can not run that fast.
| treadmills in gyms usually cap at 20km/h and how many
| people on the street do you think could handle it? (very
| few of course)
| bigbacaloa wrote:
| Folks who don't run may not appreciate how ridiculous this is.
| For most normal people this speed is near an all out sprint ...
| for 21 km. Most folks you know who run 10ks can't keep up with
| this guy for more than about half a km, if that much (a typical
| 50min 10k runner can't run a 1k in 3 minutes).
| vivzkestrel wrote:
| i sprint regularly like 4 times a week but holy hell i can do
| a max 1 km not 21 loool and even with that, it wont be
| halfway close to world record time
| dinp wrote:
| The article mentions, he is going to run the marathon, looking
| forward to what he can do in that distance. I feel it's only a
| matter of time until someone breaks the 2 hour barrier in an
| official race. Lot of people thought it would be Kelvin Kiptum,
| unfortunately he passed away in an accident.
| elevaet wrote:
| His death was so tragic. I believe his coach also died in the
| car accident.
| kaffekaka wrote:
| Without a doubt Kiptum would have done it. It will be an
| absolutely insane achievement, but as you say, it is only a
| matter of time. No pun intended.
| DrBazza wrote:
| I thought you were talking about Wanjiru at first. Who knows
| how fast he might have gone.
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Wanjiru
| rurban wrote:
| Sports press is a joke. Didn't they talk a single time to a
| runner yet? They didn't find find out about the carbon shoe
| revolution yet, but triathlon had already banned them!
| k1kingy wrote:
| Triathlon hasn't banned carbon shoes. They follow the same
| rules that World Athletics follows.
| rurban wrote:
| They banned it 4 days ago https://tri-
| today.com/2025/02/these-running-shoes-have-been-...
| ATMLOTTOBEER wrote:
| These are banned for the stack height not the plate.
| 90ne1 wrote:
| To your point, none of the ASICS shoes listed even have a
| plate. Two of them are basic daily trainers, so it's more
| to do with the letter of the law, re: stack height, than
| specific performance benefits.
| bramhaag wrote:
| Kiplimo is managed by Rosa, who was involved in some of the most
| famous doping cases in the sport [1] [2]. This new record is a
| bit suspicious (a relatively new record broken by 49s) and WADA
| has stopped caring about doping...
|
| This is the 5th running record broken in a week (2x 1 mile, 3k,
| 5k, and now HM), the other ones being indoor times that match the
| current outdoor records. I wonder if they will start banning
| certain shoe technologies during races now, but of course they
| cannot ban athletes from using illegal shoes during training.
|
| [1] https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2015/04/13/ak-suspends-
| ro...
|
| [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/sports/italian-agent-
| charged...
| hiq wrote:
| > they will start banning certain shoe technologies during
| races now
|
| I think that's already the case, isn't it? For instance:
| https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/vienna-marathon-win...
|
| > they cannot ban athletes from using illegal shoes during
| training.
|
| I don't understand why you would in the first place, what would
| be the reasoning here?
|
| I think one reason for anti-doping regulation is health, you
| don't want athletes breaking a world record one day and die the
| next. And doping during training definitely gets you some
| advantage, sometimes even years after, so the competition is no
| longer fair. But I don't see the harm with equipment such as
| shoes, if used only during training.
| jebarker wrote:
| > I don't understand why you would in the first place, what
| would be the reasoning here?
|
| I don't know for sure but if the shoes relieve stress on some
| parts of the body, e.g. leg joints or muscles, you can get
| more time training other parts at higher intensity with less
| injury risk?
| mjrpes wrote:
| You would ban a shoe simply because it reduces the chance
| of injury? That's like, the sole reason shoes exist.
| jebarker wrote:
| Sorry, I misunderstood the parent. I thought they were
| questioning why someone would wear these shoes for
| training.
| blah2244 wrote:
| The rule since 2020 (when supershoes really started taking
| over) has been 40mm stack height/1 carbon plate:
| https://worldathletics.org/news/press-release/modified-
| rules...
|
| As for training, that's a pretty contentious topic in the
| running community right now -- some recent research concluded
| that training in supershoes might actually impair race
| performance: https://www.outsideonline.com/health/training-
| performance/su...
| bramhaag wrote:
| > I think that's already the case, isn't it?
|
| afaik, only the stack height is regulated. Specific
| technologies like foam, carbon plates etc. are not.
|
| > I don't understand why you would in the first place, what
| would be the reasoning here?
|
| Personally I'd love to see more shoe development, but I image
| that if you feel that using supershoes during races is
| cheating, you'd feel the same about using them while
| training.
| hyperpape wrote:
| It's not obvious to me why you'd ban those shoes during
| training.
|
| You ban doping during training because it gives an
| advantage at race time. I don't see the analogous reasoning
| for shoes.
| bisRepetita wrote:
| _Kiplomo now has his sights set on the marathon, and said he will
| be resting until the London Marathon in April_
|
| I'd love to know what "resting" means for this guy practically.
| rappatic wrote:
| Professional distance runners like Kiplimo typically run in
| excess of 130 miles per week, with at least two hard workouts
| and a long run of 20-25 miles. He will probably return to that
| level for most of March and a week in early April. The London
| Marathon isn't until April 28, and 10 weeks is plenty of time
| for him to get a mini training block in.
| blah2244 wrote:
| Yeah, as the other commentator mentioned, it practically just
| means he won't be entering any other competitions until April.
| He'll probably cover >1000 miles in training over that period
| :)
| rappatic wrote:
| Posters on LetsRun.com noted that Kiplimo was close enough to the
| lead car to potentially draft off it and avoid wind resistance.
| It is hard to otherwise account for the giant leap in performance
| we saw here today. In fact, his 10km split between the 5km and
| 15km marks was faster than he has ever run for 10km on the track.
| Perhaps the course was slightly short? As someone who follows
| elite running extremely closely, I highly doubt this record was
| legitimate. These massive time drops typically indicate something
| is off.
| passive wrote:
| "Kiplimo ran at an average speed of 22.3 kilometers-per-hour"
|
| I'm not sure I could sustain this pace for 1 minute, let alone
| 57. Incredible.
| oldpersonintx wrote:
| whenever someone uses the phrase: _" it's not a sprint, it's a
| marathon"_, I suggest they go to a world-class marathon and
| watch the first few runners
|
| these folks are basically at a light sprint
| Rendello wrote:
| Elite marathoners have the composition of my jog in the park
| at the speed of my full sprint!
| swalling wrote:
| Elite marathon runners are in no way, shape, or form
| sprinting. It's just that both are inconceivably fast to the
| average untrained person. Usain Bolt's top foot speed was
| 44.72 km/h in the 100 meters. The fastest marathon was 20
| km/h.
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