[HN Gopher] Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube
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Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube
Author : jsheard
Score : 87 points
Date : 2025-02-16 12:09 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| wenbin wrote:
| If you manage to curate a large enough collection of AI-generated
| playlists, would you consider putting it on Kaggle? This way,
| others could use it to train AI models to automatically detect
| AI-generated music.
|
| We did something similar by sharing a dataset of around 7,000 AI-
| generated fake podcasts on Kaggle:
|
| https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/listennotes/ai-generated-fak...
| aizk wrote:
| This is amazing and I think deserves a thread of its own.
| voidfunc wrote:
| I've been a big fan of AI music for background noise while coding
| JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote:
| Try this for coding: https://musicforprogramming.net/ Some
| artists have their SoundCloud or Bandcamp account in the links.
| Okx wrote:
| soma fm has some good online radio stations:
| https://somafm.com/ (and shows you the track and artist)
| petercooper wrote:
| Same, though by surprise. I've been generating a very specific
| uncommon genre of music on Suno (a sort of Slavic accordion
| drum'n'bass - a totally random idea I had one day) and found
| myself listening to it more than I anticipated. I dislike most
| of Suno's vocal output but the instrumentals can be quite good
| especially in unusual fusions of genres.
| zeven7 wrote:
| > sort of Slavic accordion drum'n'bass
|
| Interesting. Do you have an example?
| petercooper wrote:
| Largely no, but I did upload one of the very first ones I
| generated at the time:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5eOdyRhYw - For some
| reason I find this sort of thing good background music,
| though suspect most would not!
|
| I quite like music with uncommon modes and weird scales and
| Suno isn't too bad at emulating this - especially with
| Arabic music (e.g. "swirling dramatic orchestral arabic
| music with oud guitar" will yield many good, if
| stereotypical, results). I'm not familiar enough with
| traditional regional music to pick out all the flaws so it
| works for me, but a "local" would probably say it sounds
| unrealistic in the same way that Suno-generated typical
| Western pop and rock sounds off to my ears.
| hexage1814 wrote:
| AI music rocks. Especially the ones made on Udio, which I think
| it's the best model as of right now.
|
| I hope we soon have a "Flux" like equivalent model, but for
| music, that you can run locally/fine-tune,etc...
| gs17 wrote:
| There's YuE: https://github.com/multimodal-art-projection/YuE
| But running it locally will need a bit more GPU power than an
| image model.
| andersa wrote:
| It's also far inferior to Udio or Suno.
| senordevnyc wrote:
| It's ridiculous that YouTube doesn't allow blocking of channels.
| I find the prevalence of fake movie trailers to be absolutely
| infuriating, and I do not understand why YouTube and the IP
| holders don't nuke those channels, or at least let people block
| them!
| NitpickLawyer wrote:
| Why nuke them when you can "divert" the revenue and enjoy free
| work, free eyeballs on your IP and so on? This is a "problem"
| that has been solved by the music industry. They leave every
| song with shitty lyrics on top but get the ad revenues via the
| tagging systems that Google implemengted. (agree with you that
| you should absolutely be able to ban channels)
| cobbal wrote:
| Don't they have this? I hit the "don't recommend this channel"
| button and never see them again
| arccy wrote:
| it hides from recommendations, but not search results
| gs17 wrote:
| It's always interesting to see how people use a site
| entirely differently from myself. I've only used YouTube to
| find a specific song/artist, so the only search result I'd
| click on is what I was looking for. From there, the
| recommendations are surprisingly decent. Do you usually
| search for a genre or something?
| senordevnyc wrote:
| I'm usually searching for movie trailers in specific
| genres
| tyrust wrote:
| Is there a reason that you don't use YouTube Music for
| this?
| gs17 wrote:
| Yeah, nothing makes me go to YouTube Music. Usually, if
| I'm listening to music on YouTube, it's because a YouTube
| video of a song came up in a search. If I was on YouTube
| already, then I had just used the search bar there. If I
| wasn't, the search engine wouldn't send me to YouTube
| Music. For music in general, I just use Spotify.
|
| I can't be that weird about using music on YouTube rather
| than YouTube Music, the post shows someone doing the same
| thing.
| tyrust wrote:
| Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you're weird, I was just
| wondering.
| behnamoh wrote:
| YouTube as an app/website is broken beyond repair, I'm
| surprised they lasted long enough to be the de facto video
| hosting website...
| doctor_blood wrote:
| YouTube fundamentally does not respect the time or attention of
| users - even if you pay for YouTube Premium.
|
| The only way I can stomach YT at this point is with blocktube
| and unhook; I can disable parts of the interface, block
| channels and content individually or with regular expressions,
| and filter comments with regex - a necessity given how many
| scams are being run right now.
|
| I dread the day they drop RSS feeds for channel updates.
|
| https://github.com/amitbl/blocktube
|
| https://unhook.app/
|
| Edit: also see how YT search gives you unrelated nonsense.
| User-hostile may as well be their mission statement at this
| point.
| MyOutfitIsVague wrote:
| uBlock Origin and SponsorBlock are also fundamental for being
| able to tolerate YouTube.
| jsheard wrote:
| Along similar lines, a blocklist for filtering AI crap out of
| image searches:
|
| https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist
| echelon wrote:
| These strike me as momentary throes from a
| technological/cultural realignment.
|
| Back in the day there were tons of people who were totally
| opposed to the rising genre of "electronic" music. Today you
| couldn't call electronic music "not music" without drawing the
| ire of lots of people.
|
| In the same vein, people opposed the internet, digital drawing
| tablets, digital cameras.
|
| AI is interesting because it can be use to "just prompt", and
| those outputs can't be called art. But actual artists are using
| the technology as just another tool to accomplish even bigger
| things:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l...
|
| Of course AI will still be used for slop and fan fiction, and
| people will endlessly try to fix Star Wars and Game of Thrones
| [1]. But that shouldn't be used to detract from the medium,
| because there will be an abundance of people doing amazing work
| that stands on its own legs.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPeixY_I3w
| jsheard wrote:
| When doing an image search there are times you specifically
| don't want AI images, ever, period. If I search the name of a
| real artist I want to see their their works, not a diffusion
| models half-remembered knock-off of their style. If I'm
| looking for reference photos then I want reference _photos,_
| not synthesized images which resemble photos but may or may
| not reflect reality. If I 'm looking for historical photos
| then no, a generated image vaguely drawing on the
| stereotypical vibes of that era isn't going to cut it.
| echelon wrote:
| This is a temporary problem that the market will solve for.
| Either the search companies will fix their algorithms, or
| curated websites and platforms will arise.
|
| One way or another, this bug will be fixed in time.
| markrages wrote:
| > The statistical likelihood is that other civilisations
| will arise. There will one day be lemon-soaked paper
| napkins.
|
| > 'Till then, there will be a short delay. Please return
| to your seats.
| visarga wrote:
| Hell, even reading was decried as a way to wreck your memory
| - why remember when you could always open a book?
| tim333 wrote:
| >Today you couldn't call electronic music "not music"
|
| I'm not sure anyone is calling AI music "not music." It's
| just so far a bit rubbish. It mostly gets called AI slop
| which is kind of fair.
|
| Maybe we'll get a Donna Summer - I Feel Love moment but I
| don't think it's arrived yet. I Feel Love was probably the
| first big electronic music hit and did stuff you couldn't do
| with regular instruments.
| kelnos wrote:
| I don't think the parallel quite fits.
|
| There's always resistance to new genres of music. Rock'n'roll
| was considered evil, a bad influence on children, by the
| establishment of its day. People didn't like electronic music
| because they thought it wasn't creative enough, and that it
| was just "noise".
|
| AI generated music -- at least the current iteration of it --
| is different. For the most part it's created in order to
| flood platforms with low-effort content in order to win
| advertising dollars. It's spam, plain and simple.
|
| I'm not saying that all AI generated music is spam, or that
| it won't turn into an art form that people appreciate. But
| right now, the majority of it is not the result of creative
| endeavor. EDM and other new genres didn't really go through
| this initial spam period.
| echelon wrote:
| It's maybe not a great fit, but early home console video
| games were garbage until Nintendo led by example.
|
| Even if this doesn't look the same as other new tech, it
| still rhymes with a lot that's happened to us before.
| hexage1814 wrote:
| It would be cool if the author shared the AI music channels list.
|
| I love AI music and would greatly appreciate some recommendations
| of channels to listen to.
| pclmulqdq wrote:
| I'm curious, what aspects of AI music do you find specifically
| appealing?
| input_sh wrote:
| It's right there, you just have to expand it.
| brookst wrote:
| In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that
| uses samplers would have been in 1980.
|
| Not to say there's no value today; most pure AI music is terrible
| and I don't want to listen to it. But that's a very temporary
| state of affairs.
| jsheard wrote:
| This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole,
| it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music
| equivalent of blogspam. They're not even _trying_ to do
| anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to
| extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content
| slurry.
|
| I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some
| of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations _every day._ The
| person running the channel is probably barely even listening to
| the tracks before before uploading them, assuming they 're
| listened to at all, the whole process could well be completely
| automated.
| visarga wrote:
| > They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the
| medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass
| producing SEO optimized content slurry.
|
| This sad situation was caused by internet. It made it
| possible for us to have unlimited art, writing and video to
| "consume" so any new work has to compete with a backcatalog
| spanning decades. This makes royalty revenues tank, so
| creatives moved to ad based revenue. This caused the
| attention scarcity situation where we are right now, and
| enshittification is the outcome. It all started long ago when
| AI wasn't even a blip.
|
| But fortunately AI can clean up web content, so I hope we can
| distill the good parts and get high quality back. But I don't
| expect Google or Meta or X to do it for us. We need to power
| this revolution with local models.
| hexage1814 wrote:
| >it's about the vast majority of these channels being the
| music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do
| anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to
| extract ad revenue
|
| Honestly, you could say the same about Marvel movies made by
| humans.
| MyOutfitIsVague wrote:
| It's more like a blocklist for the demo programs from samplers.
| brookst wrote:
| Excellent refinement. Gods, remember how amazing those
| programs were technically, and at the same time how
| incredibly _boring_ they were as music?
| _DeadFred_ wrote:
| It's more like not listening to 'elevator music' covers back
| then.
| gmuslera wrote:
| Why "awful"? In what is different AI generated music and organic,
| free range, supposedly human made one? I mean, how do you tell
| what percent of today's commercial music has been generated more
| with a calculator than through inspiration or whatever?
|
| In the end, made by inspiration or by some algorithm, following
| patterns, marketing studies or whatever, by AI or not (if there
| are cases you can tell), what matters is your experience.
| MyOutfitIsVague wrote:
| For many people, the human factor is the most important point.
| I'm not against AI music if it was as good as human music (it
| still very much is not for anything that's not extraordinarily
| generic and mainstream, or free form jazz), but many people see
| most arts as a conversation, not just consumption.
| gmuslera wrote:
| But the conversation part is something happening only in your
| side. Music, books, a good part of modern media seem to be
| done because the algorithms said that it will be sold more
| than someone having the intention of having a conversation
| with you.
|
| And then the AIs are making something that, from your point
| of view, are indistinguishable from whatever happened before.
| What makes it more or less real than what was already
| happening, from your side?
| MyOutfitIsVague wrote:
| I'm not against AI music. From my point of view, perception
| is everything, and it's all relative to one's point of
| view. I do understand, though, that for some people, the
| whole point is to gain a real understanding and connection
| to another real human's feelings and insight. I can't
| really fault somebody for considering art to be about more
| than the end result, and feeling that it's empty without
| the process.
|
| Also, I do feel at my core that creation is superior to
| consumption, so even though I'm not bothered by AI output
| (even as a musician and an artist), I have a feeling of
| respect and admiration for those who create that I simply
| do not feel for people who type a request into a prompt.
| Effort and work for a goal are respectable.
|
| The ends do not always justify the means, and even if the
| end result is identical, there is a greater implication on
| what it means to be an artist, and possibly many negative
| (and positive) externalities as a result of being able to
| get the same results with little effort. The art is
| identical, but the effect on humans is not necessarily. We
| are changed by the journey, both the artist and consumer.
| The actual effects of short circuiting the journey isn't
| something we can fully appreciate until we've had
| generations of humans who have lived with this. It might be
| a good thing, but it's not guaranteed that it won't be
| potentially more negative than positive in the long run.
| I'm optimistic, but I think it's foolish to not be cautious
| and skeptical about potential side effects.
| z7 wrote:
| The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it
| 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed
| outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or
| enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past
| prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit,
| we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'
| hnlmorg wrote:
| Art is an emotional experience. Sometimes people enjoy art
| because it elicits an emotion in them. And sometimes they enjoy
| art because of the emotional effort that went into it from the
| creator.
|
| It's the same reason some people don't like generic pop music
| due to its formulaic commercialism.
|
| So if people are discriminating AI art because they want to
| experience the emotions that the authors put into the pieces,
| then I'm ok with that right up until it can be argued that AI
| experiences emotions.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| Show me an AI with a point of view.
|
| Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference.
|
| Show me an AI that has emotions.
|
| Show me an AI that's chosen to make sacrifices to produce its
| art.
|
| AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound
| is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI
| is not capable of either.
| PUSH_AX wrote:
| Gee let's hope free will is real, otherwise this take gets
| really awkward.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| I'm not worried about questions we can't answer. I'm
| worried about businesses destroying artists.
| PUSH_AX wrote:
| Ok, your original comment seemed more concerned with the
| genesis of opinion and creativity, but that's good to
| know too.
| wruza wrote:
| You may get most of that by prompting. You can create really
| based or emotional characters even with "aligned" models
| (with a little realignment). Have you ever talked to an LLM
| that allows system prompting? Heard of [E]RP? You can even
| teach them to not produce idiotic bullet points.
|
| I won't argument on the art part, but these common AI
| stereotypes are not true.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| The AI does not possess those attributes. It's behaving as
| told. It has no experience. It has no senses. It has no
| thoughts or ability to reason. It has no motivation.
| nathanlied wrote:
| Could we not - for the sake of argument here - surmise
| that, since these AIs need prompts, and usually a few
| rounds of refinement, and then a selection for uploading
| to (in this case) YouTube, that the -human- in charge of
| prompting/refinement/uploading has a point of view, an
| opinion, an aesthetic preference, emotions?
|
| After all, there are artists that collate "samples" from
| other artists and produce music from all those different
| samples. They did not play any instrument, they merely
| arranged and modified these samples into a product that
| they presumably find pleasing.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| The only way we can make that assumption is if the
| -human- makes it obvious. Tell me the people mass
| producing AI slop for YouTube/Spotify are approaching
| this with sincere intent.
| wruza wrote:
| It's not even told, it continues a text (or denoises an
| image) in a way that closely resembles what was in the
| training data. Experience, senses, thoughts, reasoning
| and motivation were all there in original human- and
| nature-produced data.
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003186
|
| Doesn't mean the result is ideal, far from that. But your
| "bullet points" imply some specialness which has to be
| explained. Personally I don't love the style of refusal
| you're demonstrating, because it's similar to if you know
| you know and other self-referential nonsense. At least
| add some becauses into your arguments, because "it has no
| X" is a simplification far below the level of usefulness
| here.
|
| Anyway, how does that prevent creating AI personas again?
| mlboss wrote:
| Humans are not the center of the universe. There is nothing
| intrinsically magical in being a human. Humans don't have
| soul. We were not created in "God"'s image. We are not
| special. We are just like other animals and continuously
| evolving. AI is just the next step in the evolution.
|
| All the emotion serve as a shortcut for behaviors that make
| evolutionary sense.
|
| Things suck before they get better and then keep on getting
| better.
| MyOutfitIsVague wrote:
| 100% atheist here. Humans are the center of my universe,
| and humans are special to me. I'm team human. I don't care
| if AI is the next step in the evolution, I would absolutely
| kill it if necessary to save humanity.
| concerndc1tizen wrote:
| There is no intent, so it is no more discriminatory than
| removing autumn leaves is discrimination against trees.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| I've favorited this comment because it could easily pass for
| satire of certain types of comments on HN.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| Too Poe For Poe ("synthetic racism" is unreal!)
| ziofill wrote:
| Someone once said it better than I ever could: it doesn't matter
| how good it is, I don't want art without anybody's consciousness
| behind it.
| visarga wrote:
| Here is where you are wrong. The AI art is built on even more
| "art consciousness" than any one of us has ever seen. It's a
| mirror reflection of our own culture, and we should respect it
| as such.
|
| But you say there is no one there, just a model? No, there is
| someone. There is a real flesh and blood human prompting the
| model. It's the result of many iteration cycles. At the very
| least it has some meaning for the prompter.
| hexage1814 wrote:
| Would you stop liking your favorite movie if you discovered it
| was actually made by an AI?
| ziofill wrote:
| Yep
| lazycouchpotato wrote:
| > since then, i really started to notice that my youtube
| recommendations have been colonized to a very large degree by
| mixes made entirely out of AI generated music
|
| Turn off your YT watch history and search history. I've advocated
| for this on HN for years. Watching one or two AI slop videos
| won't ruin your recommendations, leaving the algorithm to rely on
| your likes to find you stuff you'd want to watch.
|
| Now if only YT could fix search and allow me to block Shorts.
| navanchauhan wrote:
| While not the best solution, I use this userscript to disable
| shorts-- https://github.com/Mr-Comand/youtube-shorts-remover-
| tampermo...
| bondarchuk wrote:
| There's also the unhook youtube browser extension.
| visarga wrote:
| Those are a cancer on YouTube, they don't offer any way to
| disable the shit. And on mobile it's even worse, there is a
| dedicated tab button you can't hide, even if you are a paying
| customer no way to avoid it.
| mlboss wrote:
| Instead of "AI Music", writer should have just created a
| blocklist for music that sucks.
| echelon wrote:
| In the future "AI Music" will just be called "Music". Just like
| electronic music.
|
| Or digital photos. Or digital illustration.
|
| AI film isn't great right now, but people are still finding
| their legs:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l...
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc
|
| I find this medium is one of the best to showcase what people
| _can_ do with AI, because it requires manual integration of so
| many different techniques and inputs.
|
| When more real artists start doing this (and fewer early
| adopters / hypesters), the future is going to be explosively
| indie. A Cambrian explosion that will cater to the long tail of
| super niche interests. I'm all for it. Less boxed
| Disney/Marvel/Star Wars spam, and more super edgy and
| innovative drama and fantasy.
|
| Hollywood hasn't really given us much good sci-fi or fantasy.
| Now all of the world's creatives can start visually
| articulating their ideas.
|
| A good set of analogs to predicatively compare this to might be
| the overwhelming number of amazing YouTube creators, or indie
| game designers. That's what will happen with "AI" art.
| visarga wrote:
| "AI" art is 99.9% of the time ephemeral art, see it once and
| throw it away. Who's got the time to see my AI art shit when
| they could be generating their own? It's more of a personal
| exploration tool, closer to imagination than to publishing.
| echelon wrote:
| Most digital photos are garbage, too. It doesn't discount
| the medium or the technology.
|
| Perhaps you're not a part of the growing community that
| spends entire weekends making a singular "AI" art pieces.
| It's a growing creative medium, and the things being
| created can't simply be "prompted".
|
| You might generate a photo of a consistent character, pose
| them using DwPose / 3D IK, extract them, comp them into
| another scene. Do the same for two other characters and a
| prop. Then use that composition as a single shot from a
| shot list for your AI film. Animate it, then rinse and
| repeat for a few hundred shots. After the shot list is
| complete, record the lines, capture facial performances,
| fix the errors, fix lighting, upscale, and publish. Easily
| a week of work for one person.
|
| AI can be used in workflows by actual artists. It's a tool.
| where-group-by wrote:
| Unfortunately it is a tool that is also used to generate
| a lot of content for the sake of views capture. For this
| to work it needs to be created with lowest effort
| possible. As a result the bulk of AI stuff I have seen so
| far was not worth my time to consume it or the hardware
| cycles to generate it.
| antifa wrote:
| I wish literally any mainstream music discovery service (my
| sample size: youtube and Spotify) would let you block specific
| artists and genres from discover queue and searches.
| kiwiguy1 wrote:
| I run a christmas channel with legit music (almost 3 mil subs)
| and the entire music scene on YouTube is run by bot networks out
| of vietnam with YouTube's knowledge
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