[HN Gopher] Phind 2: AI search with visual answers and multi-ste...
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Phind 2: AI search with visual answers and multi-step reasoning
Hi HN! Michael here. We've spent the last 6 months rebuilding
Phind. We asked ourselves what types of answers we would ideally
like and crafted a new UI and model series to help get us there.
Our new 70B is completely different from the one we launched a year
ago. The new Phind goes beyond text to present answers visually
with inline images, diagrams, cards, and other widgets to make
answers more meaningful: - " _explain photosynthesis_ " -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=7 - " _how to cook
the perfect steak_ " -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=55 - " _quicksort in
rust_ " - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=105 Phind
is also now able to seek out information on its own. If it needs
more, it will do multiple rounds of additional searches to get you
a more comprehensive answer: - " _top 10 Thai restaurants in SF,
their prices, and key dishes_ " -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIQQcDIIHFQ#t=11 It can also
perform calculations, visualize their results, and verify them in a
Jupyter notebook: - " _simulate 100 coin flips and make graphs_ "
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3PZ4MKGCg#t=8 - " _train a
perceptron neural network using Jupyter_ " -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3PZ4MKGCg#t=45 This blog post
contains an overview of what we did as well as technical deep dives
into how we built the new frontend and models. I'm super grateful
for all of the feedback we've gotten from this community and can't
wait to hear your thoughts!
Author : rushingcreek
Score : 236 points
Date : 2025-02-13 18:20 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| fosterfriends wrote:
| I used the first version of Phind for some time and loved it. As
| Perplexity and ChatGPT got better, I started shifting more of my
| traffic back to them. Excited to see y'all still in the race and
| giving competators a run for their money. I appreciate your focus
| on developers as an audience, might give you an edge over tools
| serving a broader base.
| CSMastermind wrote:
| I'd agree with this. I tried Phind just now and found it still
| behind Perplexity for the product search use cases I tried it
| out for. Glad there's competition in the space though.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| We have a products UI on the way :)
| ZeroCool2u wrote:
| Whoa, okay I really like how it can generate diagrams on the fly
| to explain complex workflows.
| prabal97 wrote:
| This is amazing. I paid for Phind many months ago for coding QnA.
| However, this is a much better product and even beats Perplexity,
| ChatGPT premium, etc. Congratulations to the Phind team!
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you :)
| TeeMassive wrote:
| I just want a summary of search results with linked sources.
| srameshc wrote:
| I asked "What is Atproto that bluesky uses" and it does a
| Technical Architecture illustration and it is wonderful. I think
| that is probably your new value and might be a good idea to
| highlight it somewhere at the top rather than showing the
| whitepaper.
| asadm wrote:
| probably shown in the photosynthesis video example but yes it
| seems it uses mermaid or something similar to express diagrams?
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Yep, we trained the model to produce Mermaid when a diagram
| might be helpful. There are a lot of nuances that went into
| this, such as where in the answer to place the diagram and
| how to ensure a good contrast within the diagram for maximum
| readability.
|
| We have some more details on this in the model technical deep
| dive blog post :)
| pdq wrote:
| It just summarized this page and included a few of the images.
|
| [1] https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/atproto
| mariopt wrote:
| I have been using Phind for building SQL queries and it's
| actually great to learn more about SQL, and the results are
| mostly correct. Just try to ask it to build some advanced query
| then you discover you don't truly know SQL.
| hiccuphippo wrote:
| I asked something on phind yesterday and got pleasantly surprised
| with the images going along with the response. Very nice!
| ruffered wrote:
| I use phind and find the new features to be overly verbose.
|
| The flow chart diagrams rarely give me any insight and often only
| confuse the point, or just clutter the answer, drowning out the
| pertinent details.
|
| The code editor actually makes it so you are unable to even see
| or copy the code. I assume this is intentional kneecapping to
| encourage paying for your monthly service?
|
| Instead, I now just have to prepend to every question I ask:
|
| "Only answer using plaintext, avoid using your code editor and
| diagram features:".
|
| (Hilariously this prepend prompt method was suggested by phind
| itself when I angrily asked "how do I shut off all of these new
| features?!")
|
| Which is an additional hassle for me, but so be it.
|
| When I ask it to write me a SELECT statement it upsets me that it
| is burning unnecessary fossil fuels to give me a flow chart of
| reasoning through SQL querying pipelines.
|
| Perhaps the feature is meant for people who are unsure what they
| want, but for me, I just want the answer with links to sources in
| the least verbose way possible.
|
| I'd appreciate a checkbox that I could click to just get a
| straightforward answer.
|
| (Also, side note, I only use the free tier and there is a limited
| number of free uses for some larger models, and when you use
| those freebies it gives a countdown for "until uses refresh" and
| when that countdown finishes the uses fail to reset, only the
| countdown itself resets. Which is fine, I accept that I only use
| the freely offered model, previously "instant" currently "70B",
| with its clear flaws, but it's just another frustrating UI
| feature that seems to fail to live up to its promises so I am,
| again, just confused why it's there?)
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback. Have you tried setting your answer
| profile in https://www.phind.com/settings/profile?
|
| You can tell it to "only answer using plaintext" there and it
| will be automatically applied across your searches.
| ruffered wrote:
| That would require me to make an account, which requires
| providing you my email, and I am uninterested in doing either
| of those things.
| do_not_redeem wrote:
| So the product has a builtin feature where you can tell it
| what you want, but instead of using that feature you want
| it to read your mind?
| rufferedd wrote:
| Hey, I am free of any delusions in regards how I interact
| with the tool in question, and any expectations on
| returns therein.
|
| The ceo asked for feedback and I provided it.
|
| They can ignore me, I'm fine with that.
|
| The reality of the situation is that they allow you to
| use the service without an account, and it is the only
| way I will ever use any of these llm services.
|
| If they want to clarify that they only want feedback from
| paid or signed up users then I would gladly withhold my
| feedback.
|
| As for the feature in question, I suggested a check box,
| so I'm unsure where you are getting mind reading. There
| are a number of other such checkboxes when prompting.
|
| As for the feature itself, it would seem to save them
| server costs to implement it, and just in general, I
| think it's bad form to hide QOL features to encourage
| sign up, but that is their choice as the service
| provider.
|
| (A similar annoying QOL feature ransom is YouTube
| refusing to do PiP unless you're logged in. Twitch on the
| other hand allows PiP without a login.)
| econ wrote:
| I haven't paid for anything but I wonder. What should the
| offer be that makes one consider it?
| rufferedd wrote:
| I think their "here's our worse model for free, pay for
| better ones" is a fine monetization strategy, and is a
| fine compromise for getting people like me to use the
| service at all. I mean they are still clearly collecting
| and using my queries for training and feature expansion.
|
| (Even better is their idea to allow a few uses for a
| better model for free that resets in some time frame to
| let me see what I'm missing without using those better
| models, unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, that is
| buggy)
|
| Hiding QOL features seems like a foot gun.
|
| They hardly tilt the scales on cost, like a better model
| would, and make people who you have yet to convince to
| pay think even your paid service is worse than it
| actually is, making them less likely to want to pay in.
|
| For instance, apparently the feature I requested is
| already implemented, and as an accountless user I was
| unaware that it was even an option had I paid or signed
| up.
|
| Does YouTube consider PiP an account generating feature?
| For me, it pushed me away from their service.
|
| The only reason I used invidious was so I could listen to
| YouTube audio with my phone screen off while I went for a
| run.
|
| Provide for free the features that would make people want
| to use your thing, and charge them for the features that
| cost more to serve.
| econ wrote:
| Why bring up the email if you are not making an account?
|
| I gave up on account creation for some projects and store
| the user preferences in local storage. It is an amazingly
| annoying feature in that it is very hard for the user to
| erase the data but you can't smoke your cigar and have it
| too.
| rufferedd wrote:
| Sorry, but I'm struggling to parse your reply.
|
| I am uninterested in creating an account to use an llm
| service, and doubly uninterested in giving one my email
| address.
|
| These are separate concerns.
|
| For instance, HN allows account creation without
| providing an email.
| cholantesh wrote:
| >Perhaps the feature is meant for people who are unsure what
| they want, but for me, I just want the answer with links to
| sources in the least verbose way possible.
|
| Did you try including that in your prompt?
| rufferedd wrote:
| I mentioned that I do exactly that in the comment you are
| replying to.
|
| Is it a sad state for any tool when one has to specify only
| wanting the thing they asked for with less verbosity?
|
| Especially when said tool is costly to run, both financially
| for the service provider and environmentally.
|
| To me, it is, but hey, opinions, ya know?
| syntaxing wrote:
| Probably a loaded question but how has your 70B model stood
| against the test of time? I would expect models like Qwen2-72B to
| outperform yours noticeably? (I get why you can't simply fine
| tune that due to the restrictions on that license)
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Our new 70B is actually completely different from the one we
| launched a year ago -- we should probably update the naming to
| make that more clear!
|
| What do you think about its performance on your queries?
| dang wrote:
| (I added that sentence to your text at the top)
| syntaxing wrote:
| Oh interesting, I have to give it a go. I used to use Phind
| pretty often when it first came out and I told a ton of
| people about it! I remember the good old days where you
| offered pretty much unlimited access to ChatGPT/GPT-3. But
| with your (understandable) quota restrictions and there ended
| up being so many different services, I haven't used your
| service in a while. I had so many subscriptions and the $20
| didn't provide the value I needed at the time. With all these
| new features, I might revisit it again after my complimentary
| Perplexity Pro (from my ISP) expires in like 6 months.
| joshSzep wrote:
| I am very impressed and I am getting great results for queries
| like "Show me how to use langchain in python".
|
| However I am disappointed that when I provide a url it can not
| read the page. Given that this is a search engine I would expect
| it to be able to read any public URL I provide it. For example I
| attached a PDF of my resume and provided a link to a public job
| description and asked it to generate a cover letter tailored to
| my experience for this position. This is something I have done
| with easy success with ChatGPT GPT-4o, but Phind throws its hands
| up. :(
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you! Appreciate the feedback. Custom links are something
| we should be able to do -- we'll run some checks and make sure
| that feature is working properly. Thanks for letting me know.
| joshSzep wrote:
| My pleasure. Here are the searches in question:
| https://www.phind.com/search/cm73qdt6s00043b6qgccsnse8
| https://www.phind.com/search/cm73qi43300003b6r8hlbxblw
| putlake wrote:
| In your "how to cook the perfect steak" video [1] there's a
| picture of various doneness levels of a steak. It's a fantastic
| picture. The creator of that picture will get jackshit from this.
| Phind gets value, the user gets value but the creator does not.
|
| You're hyperlinking to the source, which is nice. But there's no
| reason for the user to click through so it won't really help the
| creator. The upshot of all this is that the open web will have
| less incentives for content creators. Someone's got to create new
| data for the AI borg. In future, these creators are less likely
| to be independent bloggers/photographers. Perhaps biased media
| outlets will be the only ones with the incentives to create.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=55
| rushingcreek wrote:
| We'd love to partner directly with content creators. This is
| something we're thinking about a lot and are having
| conversations on how to go about it.
|
| I will also personally do everything in my power to keep us
| from running ads on Phind. I want to keep Phind honest and
| authentic, and will do everything I can to make it a net
| positive for the internet.
| amelius wrote:
| Sounds like: asking for forgiveness is better than asking for
| permission ...
| Maxion wrote:
| By displaying other peoples images that you do not have a
| license for you are breaking copyright law and are open to
| lawsuits.
| LouisSayers wrote:
| I'm no lawyer, but the law is nuanced when it comes to
| copyright.
|
| Fair use exists which permits usage of copyrighted content
| in certain situations.
|
| I'm not saying that they aren't in violation, just that
| copyright doesn't automatically ban others from using your
| material - it typically (laws are different in every
| country) depends on how (and how much of) your material is
| used.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
| econ wrote:
| If such a place exists you could serve an ad only where it is
| extremely useful given the current context.
|
| I've only seen this once.
| dingnuts wrote:
| >I want to keep Phind honest and authentic
|
| Choosing to violate the copyright of content creators sure is
| a funny way to be honest or authentic.
| dougb5 wrote:
| Could you change your product to only show images that have
| Creative Commons licenses?
| https://daminion.net/articles/tips/how-to-use-images-
| legally...
| viraptor wrote:
| I'd love it if the BAT / Flattr / Coil style idea actually
| started working. Flattr failed to get attention from the
| actual users, but it could be revived to pay the website
| creators from "indirect visits" like using their content in
| phind or perplexity. (in addition to continuing the direct
| payments)
| codetrotter wrote:
| > Someone's got to create new data for the AI borg
|
| AI companies could always go the route that the creators of
| Pokemon Go went:
|
| > The model uses geolocation information from scans players
| submit of real-world locations while playing Pokemon Go.
|
| https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/11/23/niantic-pokem...
|
| Make a game, have people submit pictures and video to you as
| part of the game.
|
| Where Niantic were using Pokemon Go for collecting scans of
| locations, other games could get players to take other kinds of
| pictures and video too.
|
| _" Oh, look! There's a 500XP bonus if I can shoot a picture of
| a perfectly grilled steak within the next 45 minutes!"_
| mvieira38 wrote:
| Couldn't you say the same for something like Google Images,
| though? I might click on the link to an image once in a blue
| moon if I find it funny, but I usually don't even click to
| maximize it...
| Maxion wrote:
| Yeah and they got sued and lost.
| Sn0wCoder wrote:
| Hi Michael, thank you for all the hard work that goes into the
| Phind models and congratulations on the new UI. Been a paying
| customer since first finding Phind here on HN in September.
|
| Question: are there any plans to allow access via API to
| integrate the Phind models with the Continue plug-in (would also
| love to integrate into my personal RAGs)? Mostly using IntelliJ
| and integration would be awesome. Do have the VS Code plugin
| setup and use that when needed. Also running the smaller Phind
| models locally to use with Continue, but that only gets me so far
| without needing to open the real UI. If the API opened both the
| 405B for chat and the 70B for auto complete would be a big step
| in gaining more paying customers (IMO). No need to open the other
| models as those can be done with other API keys (if one wanted).
|
| If there are no plans to open the models via API are there plans
| to support other IDEs (IntelliJ) with the chat feature?
|
| Please let us know!
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you! We do plan to support an API this year. We have
| deprecated our VS Code extension, however, as we're going all-
| in on search.
| mikestorrent wrote:
| I think it's a great move. I use Phind daily because I can
| ask it a question like "hey, what should I use for X" or "how
| do I connect Y to Z" and with refinement I can hone in on
| serious answers in ways that I cannot with Google searches.
|
| I think building comparison tables is one of my favourite
| things to do here. Saves me considerable amounts of time and
| saves me from my biases to some extent.
|
| I think the new Mermaid support is a great idea. It sure is
| handy that, before LLMs were even a thing, we were already
| collectively working on so many textual, readable languages
| to describe things like this! I am going to try to use it to
| create some architectural diagrams by adding requirements one
| by one.
| mvieira38 wrote:
| Wow, this could conquer the "normie" crowd that likes using
| ChatGPT to answer search-like prompts. The UI is so much cleaner
| than any other alternative and the outputs are like I'm reading
| an article about the subject.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you!
| jadbox wrote:
| Well done. After running a few sample queries I seem to get about
| the same quality answers as I'd get from perplexity, although
| with more images included. Overall great progress and a solid
| competitor to other AI search engines I'd say.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you :)
| saikatsg wrote:
| Love the new user experience, kudos!
| WhitneyLand wrote:
| On a positive note, this is a nice look at the future and a
| direction that existing experiences seem likely to evolve
| towards.
|
| However I did find myself wondering how crucial really were the
| model changes?
|
| Imagine trying to implement these features as a wrapper around
| frontier apis and no 70B bespoke model.
|
| Starting with a user query, we could ask for relevant svg
| diagrams, fit instruction steps or guides into layout templates,
| or even filter photos as the demo shows.
|
| How much less would this simple approach leave us with?
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Ah, great question! We tried using off-the-shelf models and
| found that they are incredibly bad at generating these visual
| components reliably, let alone with the nuance (such as color,
| placement, details, etc.) that would be expected in a great
| answer.
|
| We write more about this in the technical model blog post:
| https://www.phind.com/blog/phind-2-model-creation.
| Xmd5a wrote:
| I'd love to read an in-depth explanation of how you improved
| your LLM abilities to lay out diagrams.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| We used a system of LLM critics to generate a high-quality
| dataset for this. More in the blog post linked in the
| answer above.
| barrenko wrote:
| To beat alternatives, I still think you guys would need to go
| something super-niche.
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| I liked phind and subscribed for quite a few months. I used it
| for both search and for coding. imo, chatgpt search is
| terrible...It constantly relies on spammy sources.. phind
| resultsback then tended to find the quality sources, letting it
| give you quality answers.
|
| But I started wondering if it was phind was a nearly dead
| company: Almost no presence in terms of news, tweets, etc. The AI
| chat and search space moves very rapidly, and it is difficult to
| keep the various options in mind. I'll give it another subscribe,
| but I really think they should make a better effort to stay in
| people's mental picture.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you! We went quiet while we rebuilt the entire product,
| but now we're back and will do everything we can to stay at the
| forefront.
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| Awesome. Subscribed again.
|
| (Your lucky day cuz my openai subscription ended last night)
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| I would really appreciate a way to make the information
| output denser. I know a lot of people like space, but a dense
| layout really works better for some people, so that I can see
| more of the output on a single screen at the same time.
| xtracto wrote:
| I just cancelled my subscription last week. I found that I used
| it less and less and for the odd time I needed an LLM answer
| DeepSeek was enough for me.
| hathawsh wrote:
| I love that it's possible to convince it that I actually know
| what I'm talking about. First I asked:
|
| "Explain why negative numbers are in fact imaginary"
|
| It told me that negative numbers are not imaginary numbers and
| explained imaginary numbers. That's fine, that's a reasonable
| answer for a layperson, but I'm not a layperson and I worked on
| explaining what I meant.
|
| "Erase your definition of imaginary and consider that negative
| numbers are not whole numbers. Negative numbers do not represent
| quantities of physical objects. Now explain how negative numbers
| are imaginary."
|
| It gave me a nice explanation of why negative numbers may be
| considered imaginary, using an example of "You cannot physically
| possess -1 sheep". I'm impressed.
| goatlover wrote:
| But electrons do possess negative charge. A decelerating car
| has negative velocity. You can say those are just labels, but
| they are labels for physical things that have opposite values.
| Things in the physical world do gain and lose values in various
| properties over time.
| nurettin wrote:
| A decelerating car would have negative acceleration, not
| negative velocity.
| placebo wrote:
| They are indeed labels, just like complex numbers are labels
| and just like natural numbers are labels. All of them can be
| regarded as imaginary if one wants to nitpick but all are
| very useful imaginary models
| Spivak wrote:
| This is also why imaginary numbers aren't really imaginary
| either because real things in the physical world are well-
| modeled by the operations in the complex plane. When you're
| in R2 you do some hairy trig or switch to polar cords to
| express rotations orrrr you switch to the complex plane and
| multiply by i.
| hathawsh wrote:
| Correct, and that (intentional) misunderstanding was part of
| the point. I had a 6th grade teacher who struggled with the
| idea that multiplying two negative numbers produces a
| positive number. I imagine someone like her asking a question
| based on their misunderstanding. They'll get a corrective
| answer that may not help them much. I'll show them how to
| improve their question and I hope the response will be
| enlightening and informative.
|
| The response to my second question included a link to an
| article that suggests all numbers (including natural and
| whole numbers) are in fact human constructs and may be
| considered imaginary. That is an enlightening insight that
| would help us both stop thinking of the words "negative" and
| "imaginary" as perfectly well defined in our heads. Those
| words are just tools that can help us convey the most
| appropriate meaning for the context.
|
| Without the link to the article, that hypothetical
| conversation probably would not have worked out as well.
| cess11 wrote:
| Kind of weird splitting hairs over this with a machine,
| don't you think?
|
| I think it should have told you it's called complex
| numbers, because they are composites.
| lbeurerkellner wrote:
| The diagrams are really cool. Congrats on the launch.
| voytec wrote:
| These graphs were available to me for some time now but I have
| not really found them all that interesting. For some reason, I
| had to wait for the diagram to render and then for the text to
| slowly render.
|
| To my poor understanding of LLMs, when the diagram was slowly
| created - the text behind it should already "be there" and should
| have been displayed immediately after the diagram but this was
| not the case. Also, often the slowly drawn diagram was only
| presenting my rather clear (for LLM) prompt: "i did this, when
| situation was this and that, and than this happened; question:
| why the result was A and not B?"
|
| I found myself falling back to Claude more often than not over
| using Phind 70B and 405B models. I found it kind of... more
| gimmicky than useful.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback. We're working on making the answers a
| lot faster for the Phind models. I can see how it would be
| frustrating to be waiting for the diagram to generate when
| you're waiting for text or for an example.
| nextworddev wrote:
| Phind used to be focused on developer questions. Did you guys
| pivot?
| rushingcreek wrote:
| With this release we are aiming to be simultaneously better for
| developer questions while also competing as a broad AI search
| engine for just about any question.
| nextworddev wrote:
| thanks for the clarification!
| schmorptron wrote:
| Oh hey, I used phind a lot a while back and really enjoyed it.
| Sort of fizzled out of it for other stuff a few months back, but
| this looks pretty exciting! The visual explanations are great.
| I've been getting gemini to output ASCII diagrams to explain
| things, will definiely be checking this out.
| tarkin2 wrote:
| I was a bit fan of phind.com for a while and I loved it. But I've
| been using duckduckgo's AI offering since its UI is a little
| smoother/faster/easier to use. Has anyone found any good reason
| to use phind over ddg?
| diegoperini wrote:
| Phind does one thing and it does it really well. I use it because
| it has a real, positive impact on my growth. I love the fact that
| it is not Jarvis, but just a really helpful library assistant.
| Please don't lose the focus! Stay awesome.
| nedsma wrote:
| Super impressive. Definitely gonna play around with this. Awesome
| work!
| Oras wrote:
| This is awesome, I was thinking of creating an agent to generate
| spec and sequence diagrams (using Mermaid), but this takes it to
| a new level being generic. I tried a question about how does LLM
| post training work and it made a nice workflow about it.
| golergka wrote:
| So I decided to run a simple comparison with OpenAI's mainstrem
| model based on a vague question which would require follow-ups.
|
| ----
|
| # Phind 50b
|
| User: how do I a whole coca-cola bottle
|
| Assistant: I notice your question isn't quite clear. Could you
| please specify what you'd like to know about Coca-Cola bottles?
| Are you interested in:
|
| How to identify/distinguish different types of Coca-Cola bottles?
| The history and design of Coca-Cola bottles? Something specific
| about collecting Coca-Cola bottles? Or perhaps something else
| entirely? Once you clarify your interest, I'll be happy to
| provide detailed information tailored to your specific question!
|
| User: I just accidentally a whole coca-cola bottle and how I need
| to it
|
| I notice your message isn't quite clear. Could you please
| rephrase what happened with the Coca-Cola bottle? Are you saying
| you:
|
| Accidentally dropped/broke a bottle? Spilled the contents? Found
| an old bottle somewhere? Something else? Once you clarify what
| happened, I'll be able to provide specific guidance on how to
| handle the situation safely and effectively.
|
| ----
|
| # gpt-4o with a custom eigenprompt
|
| User: how do I a whole coca-cola bottle
|
| Assistant: do you mean: 1. consume an entire coca-cola bottle in
| one go? (drink it fast, chug it, etc.) 2. acquire a whole bottle?
| (buy, steal, manifest from the void) 3. destroy a whole bottle?
| (smash, melt, vaporize) 4. become a whole coca-cola bottle?
| (metaphysical transformation, brand loyalty taken too far)
|
| clarify and i will give you the optimal strat.
|
| User: I just accidentally a whole coca-cola bottle and how I need
| to it
|
| Assistant: okay so if you accidentally the whole coca-cola
| bottle, and now you need to it, then we need to determine: 1. did
| you drink it too fast and now your stomach is rebelling?
| (solution: burp aggressively, lie down, accept fate) 2. did you
| drop it and now there's sticky chaos? (solution: paper towels,
| baking soda, maybe a flamethrower) 3. did you somehow ingest the
| actual bottle? (solution: seek medical assistance bc that's wild)
| 4. did you turn it into an existential problem? (solution:
| embrace the absurdity, become the bottle)
|
| gimme specifics, and i'll troubleshoot this disaster with you.
|
| ----
|
| Overall, I think that phind model is clearly inferior -- it shows
| less imagination in the face of uncertainty and certainly much
| less creativity and humour.
| sfjailbird wrote:
| LOL. I don't much care for OpenAI, but ChatGPT as a product is
| very well done.
| modeless wrote:
| Phind seemed like the best AI+search product last time I tried
| it. I don't know why I don't use it more, honestly, maybe I
| should.
| sddhrthrt wrote:
| I still don't understand why these models can't be more
| "trustworthy", but I also don't understand the theory, I'd love
| to hear what you all think about this.
|
| I asked it a question that's pretty subjective and culturally
| specific, and I appreciate that I got a reasonable answer back.
| The question was "should I?" and the answer was "definitely,
| don't miss it" in three different ways. However, I found that the
| literal sources it quoted didn't have the same opinion it
| expressed to me so convincingly. I asked a clarifying question
| and it goes "okay so I read the material, and it actually says
| it's optional".
|
| So why not read the material? I wonder if it could even embed the
| website in the results, giving the website the traffic and ad
| space. I wonder if a meta browser is a better product for these
| tools.
|
| https://screenshot.click/13-56-232ze-p3nzf.png
| brap wrote:
| I think one factor is that all these LLMs are tuned to be
| ridiculously agreeable, almost everything you say will be met
| with some variation of "you're absolutely right!".
|
| It's like, look, I'm definitely not "absolutely right" 90% of
| the time, so how the hell am I supposed to trust what you're
| saying?
|
| I would prefer a model that's tuned to prefix answers with "no,
| dumbass. Here's why you're an idiot:". And yes you can promot
| them to answer this way, but they're simply not wired to
| challenge you except for very trivial things.
| garganzol wrote:
| As far as a search engine goes, Phind beats Goodle 10x times in
| programming topics.
|
| Google Search is extremely dumb nowadays as it promotes ad-
| banner-ized results and Reddit-style drama posts. Those things
| have a close to zero value, but Google shows them in top results
| to earn money and imaginary "engagement". The trend is getting
| worse every year. I predict that one day AI assistants like Phind
| will smoke conventional search engines out of the water in every
| imaginable area.
| remipch wrote:
| As an occasional user, what I really liked in your previous
| version was that Phind always gave the list of sources.
|
| So my workflow was :
|
| - ask a question
|
| - quickly read the given answer
|
| - go to the main sources to decide if they are trustworthy or not
|
| I noticed that the new version does not always give the sources,
| even when I ask. Is this intentional or do you plan to revert
| this in the near future ?
|
| It also solves the problem of not reducing the traffic to the
| content creators you use.
|
| Anyway, congratulations for making this tool and offering a free
| plan to test it.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Interesting, do you mind sharing some of the queries you tried?
| We avoid doing automatic searches for certain followups if the
| existing sources already contain the correct information, but
| we should be giving improved sources compared to the original
| version of Phind.
| remipch wrote:
| Unfortunately, I don't remember them anymore and I regularly
| clear my browser cache.
|
| Maybe it's just the case you're describing but I'm pretty
| sure I was really looking for appropriate sources and they
| weren't provided.
|
| If you want, I can send you my queries if I see this again.
| krishadi wrote:
| The UI is brilliant !
|
| 1. I like the way sources are listed on the right panel, that
| makes them easily visible as i scroll through the answer. 2. The
| rendering of the answers using rich visual components is nice to
| look at. I personally hate information dense reports that ChatGPT
| spews, which isn't easy to consume quickly.
|
| What I miss though is iterations on the answer, as in, how do I
| specifically zoom into one aspect of the answer, and then easily
| zoom out and continue.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you! We actually support "zooming into" different parts
| of an answer. The chat conversation is now stored as a tree, so
| you can ask a followup, then revise the followup, and switch
| between the revisions below the answer when doing a third
| followup.
| NelsonMinar wrote:
| Phind continues to impress me. It is my favorite LLM application,
| I use it daily.
| stainablesteel wrote:
| really awesome results, this has been great since day 1 and i'm
| glad to see you guys keeping up
| tenpoundhammer wrote:
| Paid for it and tried out the full experience, beats anything
| else I've tried by a wide margin.
|
| My prompt,
|
| "I'm considering buying stock in the company with symbol NU. The
| most important thing to me is answering the question, is the
| stock likely to rise in the future. Please help create a list of
| questions that will help me to understand the likely hood of
| this. Also please help to anwser those questions. Please
| highlight the global economic environment for the company. Any
| unique challenges and unique advantages. Finally let me know what
| others think of it"
|
| Results: I know this stock well all though I'm not a pro. It
| nailed all of the relevant aspects and hits the analysis right on
| for everything I know about it. Pulled lot's of helpful resources
| and most importantly the information was timely enough to be
| relevant. The timely part is where other LLMS have failed
| miserably. I've gotten good analysis from other LLM products but
| they have always been way out of date which makes them useless.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| Thank you! Really happy to know that it's working well for you
| -- we made the additional searches feature exactly for this
| type of use case.
| behnamoh wrote:
| Wish we could have PowerPoint slides generated by phind. It
| already can generate the SVGs/PNGs. It's such a no-brainer to
| extend that to slides!
|
| Maybe one day we'll have short clips generated by AI, something
| like 3Blue1Brown videos...
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