[HN Gopher] NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecast...
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NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecasts on your phone
and TV
Author : rntn
Score : 33 points
Date : 2025-02-11 21:31 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| blueanon wrote:
| Generally pro-dodge but NOAA is worth saving. They do some great
| data collection. They have a cool infrastructure globally:
| https://gml.noaa.gov/
| hirsin wrote:
| Is this something like inverse gell-man amnesia? You're aware
| of the value noaa provides so you're skeptical about removing
| it, but when we turn the page to talk about another agency
| removal makes sense again?
|
| Not attempting to dunk, I should say, but wondering how this
| gets modeled and if there's actually a discrepancy there
| mmooss wrote:
| (EDIT: My mistake; I missed what hirsin was referring to.)
| hirsin wrote:
| "generally pro doge" would imply they support what doge is
| doing, namely shutting things down
| mmooss wrote:
| I somehow overlooked that. I'll fix my comment, sorry.
| jmclnx wrote:
| Which is why NOAA needs to be left alone. But Trump and maybe the
| GOP wants to privatize NOAA, which would be a disaster for the
| US.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Already tried once 7 years ago:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers
| WarOnPrivacy wrote:
| We don't seem to have any lesson-learning folks in play.
| lazycog512 wrote:
| Appeal to emotion.
|
| NOAA does do some good stuff but a lot of it is infrastructure
| that has existed since before I was born with some wires stuck
| into it to send it over a network.
|
| It's Google and other private companies that took their weather
| data and properly made an AI around it.
|
| As with all of these agencies, I think it's important to caution
| against complete slash and burn, but I am also curious to see the
| receipts. Post the data and let me decide for myself.
|
| Falling back to appeals of emotion in essays just makes the non-
| true believers stay suspicious.
| mmooss wrote:
| They present a lot of factual information. Why do you call it
| appeal to emotion?
|
| Also, on what do you base your claims NOAA's activities? The
| article is by "Atmospheric scientists Christine Wiedinmyer and
| Kari Bowen, who is a former National Weather Service
| forecaster".
|
| > Post the data and let me decide for myself.
|
| For everything NOAA does and every agency? Who would have the
| expertise to even begin to evaluate it, much less the time.
| hirsin wrote:
| It's funny. We get up in arms because our boss's boss's boss
| wants to decide if the work we're doing this sprint is
| valuable - there's no way they can begin to understand what
| it is they pay me to do here! They've got dozens or hundreds
| of reports, no way they can decide if fixing this CSS bug is
| the best use of my time.
|
| And then people think they can decide if the radar station
| detecting low altitude systems near Palau is a good
| investment or not.
| mmooss wrote:
| 'Do your own research!'
|
| A bad boss limits everyone's abilities to what the boss
| understands and can do. This governing approach limits
| world-class scientists to what the public understands -
| which is essentially the tactical argument made by the GOP:
| _It looks useless to you and me and that is our source of
| truth! Are you condescending elites calling us dumb?_
|
| The Dems are complicit because in about 25 years, they
| haven't bothered to come up with a simple, effective
| counterargument.
|
| I don't know anything about weather data. I couldn't
| imagine overseeing these scientists or their technology.
| mmooss wrote:
| _Cui bono?_
|
| One benefit to some is the continued assault on sources of truth:
| Academics, everyone even arguably left-wing, news media, science,
| now we lack a source of truth on weather. More generally, the
| idea of an apoltical, non-profit source of truth is actively
| denied and any example is destroyed. The CIA and FBI are other
| examples.
|
| Without a source of truth, how can any public agreement or action
| form? All information becomes social media. Notice who controls
| that too: Meta, X, and also Bytedance will be beholden to the
| same people destroying all else.
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