[HN Gopher] A Mount Lyell shrew has just been photographed alive
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       A Mount Lyell shrew has just been photographed alive
        
       Author : nithinj
       Score  : 121 points
       Date   : 2025-02-02 01:32 UTC (4 days ago)
        
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       | thih9 wrote:
       | Mount Lyell shrew
       | 
       | Image: https://metro.co.uk/wp-
       | content/uploads/2025/01/SEI_236362254...
       | 
       | Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Lyell_shrew
        
         | spondylosaurus wrote:
         | Cute little critter!
         | 
         | Looking at that Wikipedia page, I didn't realize there were
         | multiple "grading" systems for conservation risk. Interesting
         | that two different systems have two different risk assessments
         | for the same animal.
        
           | Loughla wrote:
           | Shrews are cute but MEAN.
           | 
           | A few years ago we had a couple of feet of snow in a day. As
           | I was snow blowing the driveway, I noticed all these little
           | tunnels on the edge that was cut off by the side of the
           | blower.
           | 
           | Then I saw a tiny little animal. I thought he was a mole. So
           | I took my glove off and picked him up, as a good hillbilly
           | would do.
           | 
           | That thing bit me like fifteen times up my thumb before I
           | could react to yeet him across the yard.
           | 
           | Lesson learned.
        
             | tyre wrote:
             | That doesn't sound mean. It sounds like you shouldn't pick
             | up a wild animal.
        
               | not2b wrote:
               | The shrew had to assume you were going to eat it, and it
               | did what it needed to do to escape.
        
               | sixothree wrote:
               | I think you cane safely assume he meant "fierce". Or you
               | know, insist on strict semantic meaning.
        
             | relwin wrote:
             | Didn't you ever watch "The Killer Shrews"?
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killer_Shrews
        
             | lief79 wrote:
             | I had a northern short tailed shrew running around my
             | basement. After luckily live catching it (and getting the
             | correct id), I also discovered that they are mildly
             | venomous. Go figure.
             | 
             | Wish it hadn't found a way into the house, as I would have
             | liked to have it keep clearing pests out of my yard. It got
             | dropped off else where quickly, after a snack.
        
             | Dalewyn wrote:
             | >Shrews are cute but MEAN.
             | 
             | There is a reason that unpleasant women are called
             | shrews[1], for example as in _The Taming of the Shrew_ [2].
             | 
             | [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shrew
             | 
             | [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Taming_of_the_Shrew
        
             | metalman wrote:
             | Are these the same critters that squirls have been hunting
             | and eating? Big thing about that with the squirls catching
             | them, and killing them "with a bite to the neck" just like
             | bigger preditors, and then chowing down.It was somewhere
             | over California way, and there were researchers studying
             | the systematic hunting by squirls, so these shrews days
             | might be numbered, even after surviving extinction. I used
             | to get $1 for a squirl tail when I was a kid, sold them at
             | the store, and used the money for gas for boat and boxes of
             | shells.....wonder what a shrew is worth:).kidding,
             | kidding..ok half kidding....anybody actualy know?
        
               | ethbr1 wrote:
               | Fyi, squirrels
        
               | brudgers wrote:
               | The recent report was of some California squirrels eating
               | voles.
        
             | ornornor wrote:
             | Well yeah imagine some giant noisy machine digging you out
             | and then trying to pick you up most likely to eat you.
        
             | pengaru wrote:
             | You picked up a wild animal and it fought for its survival.
             | 
             | That's not evidence of being mean but alive and interested
             | in staying that way.
             | 
             | I had a similar experience with a common squirrel that
             | found its way into a friend's kitchen. It's a story about a
             | stupid human treating a wild animal as his pet cat and
             | getting holes in his hand in the process, not how squirrels
             | are mean.
        
         | corytheboyd wrote:
         | Thank you! I have no patience for articles headlined with
         | "Picture of rare <blank> taken!" that do not lead with the
         | picture. If I want to read more about it, I will, but lead with
         | the damn image. I know I know, the whole point is to show me
         | ads, etc. Still gonna fart my fart into the wind I guess.
        
           | danmur wrote:
           | That picture at the beginning is a high quality troll, I
           | spent ages looking at it before I read the caption: "The team
           | set up traps in vegetation areas like this one to capture
           | Mount Lyell shrews."
        
       | skrebbel wrote:
       | Seriously a title like that and it's not Bigfoot?
        
         | giancarlostoro wrote:
         | With the timeline we're in, it's only a matter of time?
        
         | loganmarchione wrote:
         | I want to believe
        
       | maxweylandt wrote:
       | Very well done, always nice to see non (not yet?) professional
       | scientists contribute :)
       | 
       | This reminds me I've been meaning to set up a moth trap.
        
       | palmotea wrote:
       | > The Mount Lyell shrew (Sorex lyelli) is 9 to 10 centimeters
       | long and weighs between 2 and 3 grams, according to the
       | researchers' measurements.
       | 
       | That's got to be a typo...
        
         | shpongled wrote:
         | Probably 20-30 grams. Average lab mouse is around that weight
         | and length [1]
         | 
         | [1] https://www.jax.org/jax-mice-and-services/strain-data-
         | sheet-...
        
         | Finnucane wrote:
         | The reason they're never seen alive is because they're actually
         | balloon animals.
        
         | s0rce wrote:
         | Must be, a typical hummingbird weighs more than that (4g).
        
         | hnburnsy wrote:
         | No typo apparently...
         | 
         | >Editor's note: This story was corrected at 12:15 p.m., Jan.
         | 17, to clarify that the shrews weigh 2 to 3 grams, according to
         | the researchers' measurements.
        
         | natosaichek wrote:
         | Wikipedia says:
         | 
         | The shrew is between 8.9 and 10 centimetres (3.5 and 3.9 in)
         | long[4] and weighs 4-5 grams (0.14-0.18 oz).[5] It has 32
         | teeth.[4]
         | 
         | Must be a mistake on both?!? No way its got less that 5 ccs of
         | blood in a 9-10 cm long body.
        
           | Someone wrote:
           | > No way its got less that 5 ccs of blood in a 9-10 cm long
           | body.
           | 
           | Scaling that body up by a factor of 10 would get you 5 x 103
           | = 5,000 ccs of blood in a 90-100 cm long body.
           | 
           | That's 5 liter. We also have
           | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_volume) _"A typical
           | adult has a blood volume of approximately 5 liters"_ , and
           | the typical adult is quite a bit taller than 90-100 cm.
        
         | mmsc wrote:
         | Look up Etruscan shrew. They weigh less than 2g on avg.
        
         | zombot wrote:
         | Yup, they used civilized units instead of the usual feudal
         | ones.
        
         | rob74 wrote:
         | According to other Wikipedia articles
         | (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorex_lyelli), almost half of
         | that length is the tail, so that might explain it. Also, I
         | assume most of the "bulk" you see in the photos is fur (which a
         | small mammal in a harsh climate needs a lot of for insulation).
        
       | pipeline_peak wrote:
       | A shrew that has been seen by few has now been seen by more...
       | 
       | That should be the title, not god damn Big Foot level
       | anticipation.
        
         | thangalin wrote:
         | "Shrewd mammal evaded photography for decades."
        
       | crazydoggers wrote:
       | Here's a video of the expedition:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/Jd2CdraSqt0?si=7xcYlM_GH4-1uw_k
       | 
       | His channel has lots of other amazing videos documenting
       | creatures, mostly cold blooded. The level of knowledge imparted
       | is very high, not just another wildlife show. Definitely worth
       | watching.
        
         | rex_lupi wrote:
         | came here to post this exact video!
        
       | bawolff wrote:
       | Based on the headline i assumed it was endangered but appearently
       | not, its just difficult to photograph.
        
         | brudgers wrote:
         | Moose Peterson talks about "scientific level" wildlife
         | photography in most of this presentation,
         | https://youtu.be/QwfB2xQ0uVc?si=slhpQqeFGB1sBeEB
        
       | lenerdenator wrote:
       | I'm not an expert biologist by any means, but I do believe that
       | this shrew - this critter, if you will - fulfills all the
       | criteria of being just a little guy or girl.
        
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