[HN Gopher] FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang
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FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang
Author : todsacerdoti
Score : 127 points
Date : 2025-01-31 18:36 UTC (13 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (krebsonsecurity.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (krebsonsecurity.com)
| Fnoord wrote:
| Probably the last time the Dutch police cooperates with the US
| government. What a time to be alive...
| hhh wrote:
| Why would it be the last? They have a long and vibrant history
| of collaboration.
| compootr wrote:
| re: the new administration
| riedel wrote:
| There is claims that the current dutch administration kind
| of invented their new US counterpart:
| https://www.politico.eu/article/the-man-who-invented-
| trumpis...
| Fnoord wrote:
| That guy ain't doing EO's. He ain't even leading the
| country; Dick Schoof does. Well, on paper, at least.
| vanderZwan wrote:
| That's... a very naive take imo. Wilders is a far-right
| populist like Trump, and they have many other
| similarities, but they also have some very crucial
| differences. A very important one being that Trump is a
| figure-head leader but actually a puppet of other forces,
| while Wilders avoids being prime minister at all costs so
| he can keep playing the role of a reactionary politician
| complaining about bad leadership while making everyone
| dependent on him.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Who, specifically, do you claim that Trump is a puppet
| of, and why?
| bobxmax wrote:
| Wilders is also a fair bit more extreme than Trump.
| bluGill wrote:
| Trump has a high statistical odds of dieing before the end
| of his term because of old age. (I doubt anyone will
| assassinate him, but that is also possible for any leader
| of a country). There will be more changes in administration
| - there always are.
| Larrikin wrote:
| There is no statistical evidence of this when compared to
| presidents and not the general public. Seems like most
| presidents after World War 2 live a very long time if
| they are not assassinated.
|
| https://potus.com/presidential-facts/presidents-age-at-
| death...
| bluGill wrote:
| I'm not quite sure how to calculate these statistics, but
| as I read the charts, it looks like someone his age has
| about a 25% chance of dieing in the next 4 years. Even in
| the worst (best?) case, he has near zero change of 25
| more years, which means most reading this will outlive
| him.
| prmoustache wrote:
| but most aren't morbidly obese no?
| InitialLastName wrote:
| The 4 post-WWII ex-presidents who outlived Trump circa
| 2028 (Bush Sr, Reagan, Ford, Carter) were all notable for
| their health and athleticism, which Trump isn't.
| rafram wrote:
| I would not say that Reagan, who famously developed
| Alzheimer's while in office, was notable for his health.
| But he was already fairly old when he took office.
| asveikau wrote:
| > I doubt anyone will assassinate him, but that is also
| possible for any leader of a country
|
| After the incidents during the campaign I imagine Trump
| is very paranoid, mostly stays safely indoors and
| minimizes time in public. I haven't heard anyone say so
| but I suspected that was one reason he had an indoor
| inauguration (along with the other reasons people
| speculated about).
| prmoustache wrote:
| he might have more probbility to crash on the new Boeing
| air force one replacements he asked Musk to help speedup
| the delivery.
| TeaBrain wrote:
| The temperature itself was probably reason enough. It was
| the coldest inauguration since 1985 and the inauguration
| was held inside that year also.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Maybe from straight actuarial tables, but those don't
| take into account Trump's incredible wealth, immediate
| access to the greatest doctors in the world, nor the fact
| that his parents lived until 88 & 93 years old.
|
| Edit: actually, even actuarial tables give a 78 year old
| a 50% chance of living another 9 years.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| Sure. Do you think Mr. Vance has significantly different
| politics?
| dylan604 wrote:
| I don't think Vance has a real sense of anything other
| than being a lap dog. Not all seconds make great firsts.
| bobxmax wrote:
| Not all seconds make great seconds either.
| AngryData wrote:
| On the other hand the president has basically medical
| staff on standby all the time just for them with the
| quickest humanly possible access to any and every medical
| advancement in existence.
|
| And keeping old people limping along for as long as
| possible is one thing US medical care is great at, so
| long as they can pay for it. If it takes $1,000,000 per
| week to keep them alive, as long as the check clears they
| will move heaven and earth to keep them going, and the
| president effectively has infinite medical care credit
| through the state.
| solumunus wrote:
| The reasons are obvious, you're clearly playing dumb.
| Fnoord wrote:
| > Why would it be the last? They have a long and vibrant
| history of collaboration.
|
| I suppose the FBI ends up being a partisan agency, like all
| other US government agencies.
|
| Regardless, if trust is eroded between countries [1] [2] [3],
| why would the police of these countries cooperate, and share
| intel?
|
| [1] Threaten those in NATO paying < 5% of annual budget to
| defense won't be protected by US (the US pays less).
|
| [2] Threatening a colony of a NATO partner (Greenland, of
| Denmark).
|
| [3] Threaten all your [now former] friends with tariffs.
|
| FVEY is dead. NATO is dead. And any cooperation between US
| and NL is also dead. However, CA and AU might increase their
| cooperation with EU.
| tokioyoyo wrote:
| Well, I genuinely hope our governments start getting in
| talks with China.
| rafram wrote:
| To be precise, the NATO target is 5% of _GDP_. The US
| spends 13.3% of its budget on defense, but only 3.4% of
| GDP.
| terrabiped wrote:
| 1. I think it's also fair to say that since the interview,
| Mark Rutte has come out and said that NATO countries need
| to increase their spending to be able to protect
| themselves. Countries like Poland, Sweden, and Lithuania
| (possibly more, though I haven't followed this closely)
| have shared the same opinion. Paraphrasing Tusk's comments,
| wanting your allies to be stronger can hardly be considered
| a hostile move.
|
| 2. The only thing to add here is that, over time, this has
| morphed from "not ruling out the use of force" to
| "threatening the use of force." Either way, I agree, it's
| not a good look.
|
| 3. To counterbalance, the EU has been using US tech
| companies as a piggy bank for many years now, yet that
| hasn't hindered collaboration between the US and Europe.
|
| NATO isn't dead but is likely only going to grow stronger.
| FVEY will probably continue, especially on initiatives
| where everyone stands to benefit.
| Larrikin wrote:
| Wonder how many of them will be fired by Monday.
| jamisonbryant wrote:
| A Fire Department that I volunteered with in Rockville, MD was
| scammed out of a three-quarter-mil. vendor payment for a state-
| of-the-art Rescue Squad/Ambulance because of a hijacked email
| chain. I wonder if it was this crew.
| ActionHank wrote:
| How does this even happen?
|
| So there's someone back and forth in an email chain with
| someone from Big Ambulance Inc negotiating price and agree to
| proceed with sale and then what?
| colechristensen wrote:
| And then somebody sends you an invoice, they aren't who you
| think they are, and you wire their bank account to pay the
| invoice. They remove the money from their account, hide its
| origins through various laundering methods, and move on.
| unyttigfjelltol wrote:
| A hacker interjects malicious payment instructions by
| hijacking a trusted communication channel.
| _DeadFred_ wrote:
| When I was in IT our company would get emails from slight
| mis-spellings of our domain name claiming to be our CEO, CFO.
| Our vendors would also routinely get hacked and the hackers
| would send emails from the vendor's legit email
| clients/network requesting we change how we paid them.
| amatecha wrote:
| This sounds like what happens with Hotels.com where the
| hotel you just booked with said there was an issue with the
| payment that was submitted, and you must pay with this
| alternate payment method instead -- it turns out the
| hotel's account had been compromised and the
| thief/scumbag/scammer does this to all the hotel's
| bookings. The one we got a message from, apparently the
| respective hotel keeps having this happen over and over. My
| guess is the outdated computer they use has a keylogger or
| trojan on it and their accounts will just be forever
| compromised. Fun times.
|
| Some posts about this:
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67583486
|
| https://perception-point.io/blog/booking-com-customers-
| hit-b... (same thing happening to booking.com)
|
| https://old.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/19dk51w/bookingcom
| _...
| bongodongobob wrote:
| I did some contract work for a major hotel chain a few
| years ago (Windows 2012 server upgrades) and was
| horrified by their utter lack of security everywhere.
| Everything was out of date, no patching, super simple
| admin passwords everywhere. It was crazy. They did have
| corporate level IT, but from what I remember, it wasn't
| for any infra, just their hotel related software.
|
| Don't connect to hotel wifi, or if you do, don't do
| anything important on it.
| itsgrimetime wrote:
| or someone from the hotel was in on it
| mtillman wrote:
| This is a very common event. Anglo American sent $17M to an
| email scammer years ago but it happens constantly in America
| too. We had to build a ton of detectors to eliminate this type
| of fraud for our customers at OpenEnvoy. Bank details, email
| metadata, character/symbol swap verification. All sorts of
| things to just keep this one very common thing from happening.
| spiderfarmer wrote:
| I'm pretty sure we will cooperate with FBI a lot less the coming
| 4 years.
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