[HN Gopher] Review: Superbloom: How Technologies of Connection T...
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       Review: Superbloom: How Technologies of Connection Tear Us Apart
        
       Author : pseudolus
       Score  : 68 points
       Date   : 2025-01-30 15:24 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | bell-cot wrote:
       | A point not made about that #superbloom: When many people feel
       | anxiety and insecurity about the future, then web-scale social
       | media catalyzes a nasty, desperate scramble - to be at least a
       | relevant-sized fish, in a planet-sized pond.
        
         | _DeadFred_ wrote:
         | There isn't much beauty left in lots of people's day to day
         | lives that isn't gate kept behind a dollar requirement. I can't
         | blame people for wanting beauty in their lives.
        
           | bell-cot wrote:
           | I'm a regular volunteer in natural areas, in SE Michigan.
           | 
           | Unless it's _right_ next to a big university campus, and
           | their friends are there, it 's amazing and sad how few people
           | show any interest in adding some free, open-to-the-public
           | natural beauty to their lives.
           | 
           | From the article's description (of #superbloom), I'd say that
           | nobody actually wanted beauty in their lives. But everybody
           | wanted to visit a trending-now location ASAP.
        
             | steve_adams_86 wrote:
             | I do this as well where I live. We have some beautiful
             | spots right in the city.
             | 
             | When I go and help do ecological restoration, very few
             | people are around. Some paths go by these areas, but no one
             | stops. They're going somewhere. I don't blame them; my days
             | are packed too.
             | 
             | My local subreddit is FULL of people wondering where these
             | places are. They hate living in the city because it's ugly
             | or they miss rural life. Some even ask how to help. No new
             | volunteers show up, though. No uptick in people visiting
             | these areas.
             | 
             | We've got this one beautiful ravine that needs so much work
             | done, and we can't really get funding or a go-ahead at all
             | until it's clear we'll have the resources. This means
             | volunteers who have stuck around for a few jobs and
             | expressed an intent to return. We've got around 10 people,
             | but would need more like 20. I'm not sure it's possible. We
             | put up signs, put out social media, get people in the group
             | to reach into their network. No luck.
             | 
             | If people won't visit the beautiful places, what are the
             | chances they'll help restore the parts that need our help?
             | It's rough. Oh well, just have to keep at it. It makes a
             | real difference.
        
               | bell-cot wrote:
               | > My local subreddit is FULL of people wondering [...]
               | Some even ask how to help. No new volunteers show up,
               | though.
               | 
               |  _Oh, yes._ I 'm in a local volunteer group here. We have
               | just under 1,800 "members" on Meetup - supposedly
               | interested in regularly doing Good Deeds with us.
               | 
               | But there are less than 18 members who ever show up and
               | do things. Evidently the other ~1,782 had Good
               | Intentions...that mysteriously vanished when they clicked
               | "Join". Or only care about polishing their online images.
               | Or something.
               | 
               | A great many things were different back in the early
               | '90's. One of which was that branding yourself as a
               | volunteer do-gooder required you to actually show up and
               | do some work. Somehow, our group had far more actual
               | workers back then.
        
               | steve_adams_86 wrote:
               | Oh, nice. You've been at it for a while now. I'd love to
               | have some of the insights you have. Though, I guess they
               | don't help you grow the group much if you're only 18.
               | Yet, I have no idea how we'd get to 18.
               | 
               | The most successful group around here has about that many
               | volunteers (I'm one of them), but they're focused on a
               | huge range of land trusts outside of the city. Given the
               | city is small, it still seems insane that so few people
               | want to contribute. My kids have no interest. Friends
               | have no interest. But it's literally the only way things
               | get better...
               | 
               | For example. A creek nearby smells awful and is full of
               | drug paraphernalia and garbage. The city has expressed
               | with clarity that they aren't touching it.
               | 
               | The only solution is people like you and I taking a
               | Saturday to clean it. Yet we're not actually allowed to
               | unless the city approves it (more specifically the Parks
               | branch), which requires meeting their criteria such as
               | number of people involved, short enough time frames,
               | available expertise, etc.
               | 
               | Sometimes I think I might just go guerilla and pull a
               | bunch of crap out on my own, take it to the dump on my
               | own, whatever.
               | 
               | Okay, I got that out of my system. If you have any advice
               | on making groups like this more effective, I'm all ears.
               | 
               | Bringing coffee and muffins to the work events certainly
               | helps.
        
             | _DeadFred_ wrote:
             | You sure it's not the equivalent of the local 'what to do
             | this weekend' section of the newspaper?
             | 
             | I know people from the bay area would see my posts get all
             | excited then sad when they learned where I live now and too
             | far away, and none of them were trending or made to look
             | cool by boring old me.
        
             | asdff wrote:
             | It really depends on the natural area in question. Not
             | everyone is really motivated to build up the skills
             | required to do things like navigate via map and compass to
             | actually tackle natural terrain safely. People die every
             | year in the Angeles National Forest and its almost always
             | because they didn't prepare for the conditions and didn't
             | let anyone know that they were hiking that weekend and
             | therefore where to aid search and rescue when the missing
             | persons report is filed.
             | 
             | However I think smaller urban/suburban trails have probably
             | never been more popular. You know the sort of 1-3 mile loop
             | in the hills or woods trails with a convenient parking lot.
             | Those are filled with trail runners, dog walkers, people
             | pushing strollers, etc.
        
       | ryukafalz wrote:
       | Good article. I think I need to add this book to my reading list
       | now.
       | 
       | I'm not sure I fully agree with the conclusion, though, that we
       | can't change the tech and can only change ourselves. I think
       | there's a lot of room to explore variations on tech that are
       | healthier for us and for society. Adding friction as mentioned in
       | the article is one example, but I think there's more we can come
       | up with if we treat our attentional and societal health as a
       | primary goal.
       | 
       | This probably does, to some extent, involve changing ourselves
       | too. Frictionlessness and seamlessness are comfortable, and
       | rejecting those will probably always involve some conscious
       | effort. But we don't have to do it all alone, as individuals!
       | Those of us with the skills to do so can try to build healthier
       | tools so that people have alternatives when they go looking.
        
       | argomo wrote:
       | Reminds me of an old Bruce Sterling quote: "politics pulls us
       | together, technology tears us apart". That always struck me as
       | being directly opposite of our intuitions as technologists.
       | 
       | As a species, we need a wider exploration of how to structure
       | online spaces in a way that builds and sustains social capital
       | instead of usurping it. That's difficult to do with out resorting
       | to censorship and ideological totalitarianism. And it's probably
       | not compatible with the ad-funded addiction-driven business model
       | of most modern platforms.
       | 
       | One historical example of note here is Wikipedia. It was a
       | complete failure as a for-profit product, but it skyrocketed in
       | significance when it opened up and adopted the relatively new
       | social interaction model of the wiki.
        
         | asdff wrote:
         | By far the biggest issue with the internet is the power it
         | represents. And there is no avoiding that when it is by
         | definition a way into the hearts and minds for every person
         | connected to it on earth. It will always be ripe for
         | advertising, for propaganda, for misinformation, because the
         | incentives are just too damned great to not let it be. It was
         | one thing when it was 25 years ago and internet users
         | represented a small fraction of the worlds population compared
         | to today. A fraction that might have gone unnoticed from a
         | certain degree of mass advertising and propagandizing that
         | always seeks to put itself where it can get in front of the
         | most eyeballs, but that is no longer the case so long as so
         | many people use the internet.
         | 
         | I'm not sure what the solution is beyond niche little forums
         | (tribes) that somehow tip toe the line of having the website be
         | supported at all and also not growing too big to be of much
         | interest for advertising and other forms of propaganda. And
         | even then, how do you discover these little tribes? All the
         | discovery mechanisms for internet content today are centralized
         | or gated away from the upstart individual. Search engines,
         | social media, even advertising in the meatspace takes serious
         | capital. People don't have their own sites with webrings
         | linking to other sites anymore. They have social media profiles
         | and even then most people just lurk after highschool and
         | college vs use it to share actual content or ideas. Search
         | engines favor directing you to mass media and social media
         | results for queries rather than small sites and forums.
         | 
         | I feel like what is left of these niche interest and niche
         | forums are doomed to die out in a few generations, since its so
         | hard to actually come up into this world and find these refuges
         | on the web unless you knew about them from years ago when the
         | internet was smaller and signal to noise ratios were much
         | higher. Kids today aren't even interested in using the web, let
         | alone a desktop OS. At least there are still computer science
         | college programs but who knows how long that will be the case
         | everywhere in the chatGPT/cut everything era we find ourselves
         | in.
        
       | burningion wrote:
       | I think of "social" media as a fundamentally isolating
       | experience.
       | 
       | On modern social media platforms, each person gets their own,
       | personalized feed.
       | 
       | As their feed becomes more personalized, it gets more and more
       | isolated from a common, shared cultural context.
       | 
       | According to Wilbur Schramm's theories of communication, human to
       | human messages must occur over a shared cultural context, and
       | social media shrinks that shared cultural context.
       | 
       | LLMs as a platform could shrink this shared cultural context even
       | more, unless we become more deliberate about fighting back
       | against this "shared experience" shrinking:
       | 
       | https://www.makeartwithpython.com/blog/social-media-is-the-f...
        
         | add-sub-mul-div wrote:
         | It's a bummer that there's a whole generation that doesn't know
         | how much fun it was for everyone to watch and discuss the same
         | episode of the same show at the same time week to week.
         | 
         | And yeah, now imagine everyone watching their own personalized
         | media. Under the surface it's so empty.
        
           | pesus wrote:
           | Are there even any more shared cultural moments/experiences
           | like that anymore? The closest thing I can think of is maybe
           | large sporting events, but even then, they seem much less
           | impactful than before.
        
             | skydhash wrote:
             | I'd say movies.
        
             | airstrike wrote:
             | Sports are also totally about betting in the 21st century,
             | at least in the US
        
               | HeatrayEnjoyer wrote:
               | Who is into that?
        
               | Syonyk wrote:
               | Based on the amount of sports betting apps I see if
               | there's a game on at a restaurant or something, a lot of
               | people.
               | 
               | And in actual numbers, about 20% of Americans at least
               | have an account with a sports betting platform.
               | 
               | https://www.sbu.edu/news/news-
               | items/2024/02/05/st.-bonaventu...
        
           | skydhash wrote:
           | I currently think status feed (WhatsApp, RSS) and discussions
           | group (Messaging Apps, IRC, forums, Email threads) is the
           | best way to connect socially on the web. Any algorithms that
           | includes personalization is inherently selfish.
           | 
           | One great thing that I like to find is interest or curation
           | lists. Like themed books, favorite music albums, software one
           | uses,... Better than any recommendation engine.
        
           | baxtr wrote:
           | Yeah, but actually people do talk about the same topics like
           | Elon, Trump, etc. It's just not the same view anymore, but
           | the same issues.
        
           | saurik wrote:
           | I mean, this does still happen: there are many extremely
           | major TV shows from the likes of Disney and Apple that are
           | being released to streaming on a weekly schedule, and the
           | world does in fact talk about them -- even on social media --
           | in lock step.
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | Not refuting your point, just want to point out that I can
         | think of many other isolating experiences like:
         | 
         | - reading a newspaper/books
         | 
         | - binge watching Netflix
         | 
         | - refreshing HN every 2 minutes
         | 
         | I'm not sure that's a specific aspect of social media.
        
           | burningion wrote:
           | Yeah, agreed. The essay I linked to adds the cost of choice
           | for a medium against a potential reward too.
        
           | jchw wrote:
           | The interesting thing about reading a newspaper or book,
           | though, is that it is the same for everyone. So you can feel
           | a sort of connection to others who are or have also done
           | this. I think this is also a good explanation for why it's so
           | easy for people to bond over things like sports.
           | 
           | Same for Hacker News and older bulletin board style forums:
           | it's largely the same experience for everyone (at least at
           | any given moment). When you load the frontpage, it's roughly
           | the same stories at the top for everyone (sans whatever
           | you've manually hidden, of course.)
           | 
           | Social media isn't _completely_ different, but it sure is
           | weirder, especially with algorithmic feeds. I don 't use
           | social media anymore, but sometimes when I would talk with
           | friends it would become apparent that the posts that were
           | surfacing for them were _completely_ different than the ones
           | surfacing for me, which gave us _very_ different ideas of
           | what the general feeling on some issues was. I think this
           | probably amplifies the living shit out of false pluralities.
        
           | Syonyk wrote:
           | I'm not sure I'd agree reading a book is isolating. At a
           | minimum, you can (assuming a human author...) "get inside the
           | author's brain." Some books are better at this than others,
           | certainly.
           | 
           | But even without that, look at the popularity of book
           | discussions, book clubs, and things like that. Multiple
           | people, reading the same book, at the same pace, and
           | discussing it. That's the opposite of isolating, and is
           | impossible to achieve with "personalized feeds." There's no
           | common point to discuss.
           | 
           | And, as yet another example, have you ever read a book that
           | someone else has marked up and taken notes in? Passing a book
           | around a few friends, each with a different color pen to make
           | notes, is certainly not isolating.
        
             | Nevermark wrote:
             | > I'm not sure I'd agree reading a book is isolating. At a
             | minimum, you can (assuming a human author...) "get inside
             | the author's brain."
             | 
             | I think that's it.
             | 
             | You are not connecting with "people", but you are
             | connecting deeply with the highly concentrated (and
             | presumably original and high quality) thoughts of one
             | person.
             | 
             | Quality beats quantity for most types of relationships. We
             | don't need lots of close friends, although that's great.
             | But we really benefit from even one, two or three very
             | close friends.
             | 
             | Social media increasingly isolating, full of dreck, and
             | often shallow. But the last one, shallow, is not the
             | problem the other two are. It is also healthy to maintain
             | wider looser social circles.
        
             | ljm wrote:
             | I think there's something quite cosy or comforting about
             | simply enjoying the company of a friend with a book as
             | well. Don't even have to read the same thing, it's just
             | another way of spending time together and is anything but
             | lonely or isolating.
             | 
             | Maybe it's just one of those things that becomes more
             | pleasant as you grow older and enjoy a more laid back pace,
             | but I appreciate having those friends you can just chill
             | with without really having to 'do' something or needing to
             | fill the space with conversation. You've become close
             | enough (not necessarily romantically) that you can just
             | enjoy the presence.
        
           | nine_k wrote:
           | The idea is that your newsfeed eventually becomes uniquely
           | tailored to you.
           | 
           | Of course it contains posts that may be shared widely and
           | thus unifying, or posts from your close friends and relatives
           | and thus also unifying in a way. This is not a given though,
           | and the context of your newsfeed is effectively unique.
           | 
           | This is one of the reasons community feeds exist, which are
           | the same for the members of a community and thus somehow
           | unifying, around a topic of interest.
        
         | bmitc wrote:
         | It's the Internet itself.
        
           | whilenot-dev wrote:
           | I'd rather say it's the targeted ads part of the internet.
        
         | melvinmelih wrote:
         | > On modern social media platforms, each person gets their own,
         | personalized feed.
         | 
         | I notice this with streaming platforms like Netflix as well,
         | there is no longer a channel that we all watch (not even in the
         | same household), so a lot of water boiler talk about TV shows
         | have disappeared. The only conversations I have about TV shows
         | are now on reddit.
        
           | boxedemp wrote:
           | Adding to this thought, I've found the move from scheduled
           | content to on demand does this too. Often viewers are at
           | different spots in the series which diminishes conversation.
        
             | gessha wrote:
             | For a long time I've read/watched media that none of my
             | peers do - manga/anime/light novels and what I've works for
             | me is to invite people to talk about what currently excites
             | them no matter what media type it is and go into detail.
        
           | lordnacho wrote:
           | It's actually fascinating to think how many things I watched
           | just because other people watched them. Now I hardly watch
           | anything, even though I never thought my motivation for
           | watching things was to talk about them.
        
         | TuringNYC wrote:
         | > On modern social media platforms, each person gets their own,
         | personalized feed. > As their feed becomes more personalized,
         | it gets more and more isolated from a common, shared cultural
         | context.
         | 
         | I see this as a feature. I was so bored in high school, kids
         | talking about football games ad nauseam. There was no easy
         | cohort to chat about things I cared more about. Why should we
         | force one shared experience on everyone? After all, that is why
         | i'm on HN and not CNN.
        
           | UniverseHacker wrote:
           | There's an optimal middle ground and physical real world
           | communities built around a shared interest generally fit this
           | well- you still get a diversity of people, but they all want
           | to be together for a reason.
        
           | saurik wrote:
           | But like, the front page you and I each see on Hacker News is
           | the same, the comments we see are the same, and everything is
           | in the same order; if we talk to each other about trends in
           | posts on Hacker News, we have some basis of shared reality.
           | 
           | Is this everyone? No. But "forcing one shared experience on
           | everyone" is a straw man that wasn't being argued: the
           | argument is about the other extreme, where every user has
           | their own feed, and worlds splinter so hard that they are
           | inherently irreconcilable with anyone else's.
        
       | svilen_dobrev wrote:
       | was that "medium is the message" (or massage) ?
       | 
       | by Marshall McLuhan, as noted here:
       | 
       | https://zandercutt.com/2018/07/16/the-cosmetic-class/
        
       | devindotcom wrote:
       | I look forward to reading this.
       | 
       | But anyone who thinks it's new should go back and read the first
       | part of _The Anatomy of Melancholy_ ; there, a fictionalized
       | Democritus, accused of insanity, turns the accusation back on the
       | world at large, citing a surprisingly large and still relevant
       | list of issues: information overload, self-serving politicians,
       | charlatans, rubes, general bullshit. The phenomenon of _meteoria_
       | goes back that far and further. I 'm actually curious whether
       | Carr cites Burton!
        
       | _DeadFred_ wrote:
       | It's not connection but the software and motivations of the
       | companies behind it along with the structure of our society that
       | is the problem. I make music for fun. Half of my online
       | interaction is people looking to make a buck. Connecting in a
       | music space wasn't like that 20 years ago. The conversations I
       | had online 20 years ago are now still happening just in private
       | discords. Connecting in public spaces driven by algo's based
       | purely to serve profit motives and people whose motives aren't
       | connection but clout/politics/selling something doesn't define
       | some universal tech/connection rule.
       | 
       | I'm on a locals hiking mail list. We share things like when the
       | kokanee are running. That doesn't get blasted to 20,000 people
       | with zero interest but who will go because they saw it in the
       | equivalent of the local 'what to do this weekend' section of the
       | newspaper. Society has arranged itself so that there is very
       | little to do without spending money. And so those few things of
       | beauty, free, and semi easy to get to get 'devoured' by a very
       | hungry populace.
       | 
       | But on the hiking/biking app I have no fear sharing trails
       | because the 'social media' people on the app are only going to
       | trails they can get to within 2 minutes of the highway. People
       | that are going on a 2 hour mountain hike that requires an hour of
       | fire road driving self select out. Plus if we don't get enough
       | people going the trails get overgrown so I need exposure. I am
       | only sharing because I want something out of it (enough traffic
       | to keep the trail accessible) and I don't share my favorite
       | trails outside of the mail list. Social media companies have made
       | sure their experience is purely transactional at this point, not
       | 'connective', but things like selective highly connecting
       | discords/email lists exist and very much connect people in
       | healthy ways.
        
         | the_snooze wrote:
         | It's like we're re-learning something humans have intuitively
         | understood since humans have existed: a cohesive community
         | needs to be human-scaled and has standards it enforces.
         | 
         | Online "communities" often fail at both. They allow any rando
         | to show up (or even encourage them to do so via algorithms),
         | and there are no barriers to entry or consequences for leaving.
        
       | hedayet wrote:
       | Like home-cooked meals, real-life connections are hard to build
       | and nurture. On the other hand, web connections are cheap and
       | fast.
       | 
       | It takes less than a minute to go from opening an Instagram
       | account to "connecting" (following) with someone and see their
       | semi-nude photos
        
       | quercusa wrote:
       | Once again, Douglas Adams was ahead of his time:
       | 
       |  _Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all
       | barriers to communication between different races and cultures,
       | has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the
       | history of creation._
        
       | GMoromisato wrote:
       | Do we need to have a single, common cultural experience? Mass
       | media, and the resulting mass culture, are a recent phenomenon,
       | and certainly one that has been heavily criticized.
       | 
       | My sense is that we're in the middle of a phase-transition, and
       | the unhappiness and dislocation that people feel is because the
       | old world (shared cultural context) is dying, but the new world
       | hasn't yet been born.
       | 
       | Our generation will have the hardest time because we have a foot
       | in both worlds.
        
         | lantry wrote:
         | What existed before mass-media was a shared experience with
         | unmediated interactions. With mass media, the interactions are
         | mediated but there is still a shared experience. With social
         | media, there is neither unmediated interaction nor shared
         | experience.
         | 
         | So I think you are correct that we are transitioning to a new
         | "phase", but I disagree with the implication that things will
         | be better once the transition is over. They could be worse!
        
           | GMoromisato wrote:
           | I'm not sure what you mean by "a shared experience with
           | unmediated interactions."
           | 
           | Without mass media, how did people share an experience? Do
           | you mean sharing with your friends/family/church? If so,
           | isn't that option still available post-transition?
           | 
           | Or is your point that social media destroys personal
           | interactions, so the next generation is left with nothing
           | (kind of like porn destroying healthy sex lives)? If so, then
           | I agree the future might be worse.
           | 
           | But it's also possible that social interactions are changing,
           | and it is only because they are different for us that we
           | think of it as "worse". Moreover, society hasn't yet had a
           | chance to adapt to the new technology, so we don't know
           | exactly what social interactions will be like in the future.
           | It could be that kids tomorrow will learn to adapt to social
           | media just as our generation learned to adapt to TV.
        
         | glial wrote:
         | Here's an essay reflecting on the value of having a shared
         | experience of the world, cultural or otherwise:
         | 
         | https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/p/common-worlds-com...
        
           | GMoromisato wrote:
           | I certainly think there is value in shared cultural values.
           | But my point is:
           | 
           | 1. We value a shared culture because that's what we're used
           | to. There's no guarantee that future generations will agree.
           | 
           | 2. Shared cultural values also have downsides, and depending
           | on your perspective, the downsides might outweigh the
           | benefits.
        
       | brokebit wrote:
       | The author, Nicholas Carr, is doing a free Zoom event with
       | Christine Rosen from the American Enterprise Institute on Feb
       | 10th. They are giving out free copies of the book to those that
       | attend. - https://www.familyactionnetwork.net/events/superbloom-
       | how-te...
        
       | southernplaces7 wrote:
       | I call partial nonsense. Faddish tech bashing and harping on de
       | jure boogeymen like "misinformation", which overeaches beyond
       | valid criticisms to apply social connection technologies as a
       | cause for the harm between people that has perhaps always been
       | the case in many contexts. Cherry picking can make any argument
       | seem valid and especially if you rule out other considerations in
       | favor of a specific narrative agenda.
       | 
       | We still always have the option today of connecting with real
       | people in the real world, as much as or more so than we have at
       | any time in our history, while also being able to use social
       | media and other related technologies to connect with distant
       | family or friends in ways that are completely unique to a modern
       | context.
       | 
       | This duality is a fundamental good, because it allows for new
       | options from more contexts than ever before.
       | 
       | Yes, there are difficulties with social media and some people
       | misuse these technologies in ways that emotionally harm them, but
       | people who misdirect their efforts to socialize with others and
       | balance their emotional lives have always existed, albeit with
       | fewer options than today for staying in touch.
       | 
       | One can choose who to reach out to, and the presence of social
       | media doesn't make it any less important or more difficult to
       | simply choose people who are capable of caring. Those who don't
       | care for contact are no more the case no than they were before
       | digital connectivity was a thing in human society.
       | 
       | As for social media and misinformation? Give me a break. Legacy
       | media has a vast, long, torrid and dirty history of spreading
       | propaganda on an industrial scale, with few avenues for finding
       | out differently, and they hate losing control of that, so now we
       | get contrived fears about misinformation from the same industry
       | that promoted yellow journalism and absurdly grotesque beliefs
       | upon the public for many, many decades.
       | 
       | Politicians and other social actors have taken up this same
       | banner of fear mongering for their own pet reasons and interests,
       | and at least some segments of the wider public have swallowed
       | these fears without giving them proper analytical context.
       | Shameful.
       | 
       | At least now, the very fact that nearly anyone can post nearly
       | anything allows for those who have better information, closer
       | sources and more reasoned insights to spread their points with no
       | controlling middlemen, even if they need to swim among tides of
       | charlatans and conspiracy nuts. That however is a price to be
       | paid for the democratization of access to instantly posting
       | anything for worldwide access.
        
         | southernplaces7 wrote:
         | Would someone like to post a rebuttal comment with a modicum of
         | substance, instead of a childish downvote? (what a particularly
         | idiotic functionality of this site)
        
       | groby_b wrote:
       | I'm just going to say that it's Nicholas "Filter Bubbles Make Us
       | Stupid, We Should Talk To Opposing Viewpoints All Day" Carr.
       | 
       | If you believe social media is tearing us apart, a significant
       | chunk of responsibility lies on his shoulders. (We _knew_ shared
       | cultural context matters, but by Jove,  "Filter Bubbles" was a
       | term that could be milked for book deals, so milk he did)
        
         | jjulius wrote:
         | Hello, untruths!
         | 
         | >The term filter bubble was coined by internet activist Eli
         | Pariser circa 2010. In Pariser's influential book under the
         | same name, The Filter Bubble (2011), it was predicted that
         | individualized personalization by algorithmic filtering would
         | lead to intellectual isolation and social fragmentation.[1]
         | 
         | Ctrl+F for "carr" on the "filter bubble" wiki reveals two
         | instances of "carrots". Similarly, Ctrl+F for "bubble" on
         | Carr's Wiki returns 0 results. The book Carr is most famous for
         | was based on an article that he wrote two years prior to
         | Pariser coining the term, and was published the same year the
         | term was coined. His following two books also don't seem to be
         | riding on some kind of "filter bubble" coattail (I mean, unless
         | you've found a way to connect his next book, a 2014 release
         | about _automation_ , to filter bubbles!). It was Pariser who
         | published "The Filter Bubble" a year later.
         | 
         | Essentially, what you've done is written this piece off
         | entirely based on a false assumption, and suggested that others
         | do the same.
         | 
         | [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble
        
       | throw7 wrote:
       | Kind of surprised McLuhan (medium is the message) wasn't
       | referenced in the story. It's helpful to think of these
       | technological innovations as being the message and what that
       | means when you interact with them.
       | 
       | The piece says Carr believes reality can't compete with "the
       | internet's steady diet of novelty and shallow, ephemeral
       | rewards".
       | 
       | I disagree. I do think one remedy is reality. I remember turning
       | the corner into St Peter's Basilica and facing the Pieta. Now,
       | I'm not one for being moved by statues, but tears immediately
       | started streaming down my face. I'll never forget this moment.
       | It's seared into my brain.
       | 
       | I'm not saying you have to go to Rome. I'm not saying go travel
       | the world. I'm saying it might be as simple as not pulling out
       | your cell phone (i.e. "the medium") during the concert you're
       | going to tonight.
        
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