[HN Gopher] Quiet Quitting: Why Employees Are Demanding Fairness...
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       Quiet Quitting: Why Employees Are Demanding Fairness and Boundaries
        
       Author : rustoo
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2025-01-26 21:35 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | cocacola1 wrote:
       | > Not all solutions require monetary compensation. Employers
       | often overlook what employees find rewarding. This is where a
       | culture of curiosity becomes invaluable--simply asking employees
       | what motivates and empowers them can reveal unexpected insights.
       | Acts like acknowledging sacrifices, allowing flexibility for
       | parenting emergencies, or offering an afternoon off after a rough
       | day can build goodwill and strengthen the employer-employee
       | relationship.
       | 
       | This reminds me of that recent SNL skit where Nate Bargatze plays
       | George Washington and when Keenan Thompson asks him about the
       | slaves, he changes the topic hastily:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk
       | 
       | What employees want is _money_. All that extra stuff is nice, _in
       | addition to more money_ for their work.
        
         | 9283409232 wrote:
         | My job doesn't have set hours. No amount of money can
         | compensate for that flexibility.
        
           | t-writescode wrote:
           | Yeah,                 * remote work       * no specific
           | expectations of hours (beyond, normally, "a full day's work")
           | * capable leadership that doesn't throw people under a bus
           | * work that is non-exploitative and provides real value in
           | the world
           | 
           | Are worth more than top pay, to me.
           | 
           | Edit: *THAT SAID* in most industries that aren't tech, higher
           | pay probably means a lot more than that because they're
           | ridiculously underpaid, in general.
        
           | lazyasciiart wrote:
           | It can, actually - because with enough money, you get to
           | decide your own hours anyway.
        
           | bryanrasmussen wrote:
           | this implies that for a job without set hours you would take
           | a pay cut to minimum wage to keep that flexibility.
           | 
           | In short, I believe you will find that past a certain,
           | probably very high amount, no amount of money can compensate
        
         | irishloop wrote:
         | Being compensated fairly is important. But so is empathy from
         | management. So is being flexible when I have stuff going in my
         | life or need a mental health day.
         | 
         | It all adds up.
        
       | crooked-v wrote:
       | "Quiet quitting" as a phrase is just the latest bigcorp
       | propaganda attempt to trick workers into doing more for free, now
       | that previous attempts like "company loyalty" are dead and
       | buried.
        
         | christofosho wrote:
         | Companies need to set the bar and uphold it. Saying people are
         | "quiet quitting" is synonymous with saying, "we don't know how
         | to set and uphold standards". Putting the blame on the employee
         | instead of having clear guidelines (i.e. making it a
         | performance problem) is an unfortunate scapegoat used to shift
         | the blame and accountability. A job is a contract. Ain't just
         | one sided.
        
         | malfist wrote:
         | Just like "we're all family here" (until they hear wall street
         | rewarding layoffs). Or "nobody wants to work anymore" which you
         | can find in newspapers all the way back to the 1700s
        
       | cowanon34 wrote:
       | IMO, people generally only want a few things out of work:
       | 
       | - Sufficient money so you don't feel ripped off or left behind
       | compared to others in your social class
       | 
       | - Agency over your day - you can take an afternoon off if you're
       | feeling down, your kids are sick, etc
       | 
       | - Enough free time to relax and have an out of work life
       | 
       | - Lack of obstacle/roadblocks to actually doing good work
       | 
       | Most modern companies get all of this wrong. They pay the bare
       | minimum and raises are small and slow, encouraging job hopping.
       | You have to beg for time off like a child. No clearly defined off
       | hours for most employees. The daily job is filled with
       | bureaucracy and excessive micromanagement that slow you down at
       | every turn.
       | 
       | Being disengaged is the logical response to these conditions.
        
         | gnulinux wrote:
         | This is a lovely comment and I agree with your list. At least,
         | it's been my experience.
        
       | Hizonner wrote:
       | Now I'm supposed to know the difference between "quiet quitting"
       | and "soft quitting"?
        
       | anarticle wrote:
       | People are tired of killing themselves for low to no increases,
       | and no loyalty from your company when things aren't going well
       | for you.
       | 
       | If you want people in office, put your money where your mouth is.
       | Prices are up and salaries are not.
        
       | palata wrote:
       | > Gallup estimates that disengaged employees cost the global
       | economy $7.8 trillion annually, or 11% of GDP, due to lost
       | productivity, absenteeism, and turnover.
       | 
       | Estimates from consulting companies are worth as much as
       | estimates from LLMs or from rolling a dice: nothing.
        
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