[HN Gopher] Larry Ellison: vast AI surveillance can ensure citiz...
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Larry Ellison: vast AI surveillance can ensure citizens are on best
behavior
Author : archagon
Score : 50 points
Date : 2025-01-25 21:37 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.businessinsider.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.businessinsider.com)
| archagon wrote:
| https://archive.is/qqhCj
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| > _" We're going to have supervision," Ellison said. "Every
| police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if
| there's a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to
| the appropriate person."_
|
| I gotta say, I know that billionaires live in their own private
| world - in many sense of the word - but this is just wildly
| naive.
| rad_gruchalski wrote:
| I don't think so. The billionaires found a way to control the
| population. All they had to do was to become the government and
| have sufficient tech.
|
| If Stazi and KGB had the tech we have today, we'd be still
| having DDR,Warsaw Pact, and Iron Curtain.
|
| Ellison speaks the future. Quoting Mike Tyson ,,and whatcha
| gonna do 'bout it". Ellison even has a database and a
| programming language he'd like to sell you to make that happen.
| DomesticMouse wrote:
| The funny part about this is that even with all this
| technology the USSR would still have fallen, because Russia
| is a poor country geographically.
|
| Conformance enforcement only gets you more of the same
| behaviour. It denies access to variation that engenders
| innovation.
|
| Exploration vs exploitation.
| FrankWilhoit wrote:
| You first, Larry. Else you have no credibility and no standing.
| moralestapia wrote:
| You're probably being downvoted by a pack of Larry's servants.
|
| 100% behind what you say. All the people making this kind of
| arguments and policies are usually the ones who maintain
| extremely private lives. Didn't he buy like a whole island in
| Hawaii?
| WheelsAtLarge wrote:
| If I didn't know better I would think this is an Onion article.
| Unfortunately, he's not the only powerful man who feels this way.
| EA-3167 wrote:
| The obsession with control has been a preoccupation of the
| elite for a VERY long time. The idea that we're just a few
| cameras away from the perfect panopticon i a surprisingly
| dangerous and common delusion, especially given the ample
| evidence that it doesn't work. Look at the UK, where handguns
| are rare, knives are illegal to supply to under-18's, there are
| cameras EVERYWHERE... and they still have frequent stabbings.
|
| With kitchen knives. And yeah they catch it on camera, but they
| didn't prevent it.
| walterbell wrote:
| Optional membership in _Club-Invisible-to-Surveillance_ , based
| on social credit, faction, status or other "predictive" criteria.
| daft_pink wrote:
| When is the next season of Black Mirror? We desperately need it.
| panzi wrote:
| We are already in it.
| yakaccount4 wrote:
| Does Larry really lack enough self awareness to not realize these
| kind of statements make him sound like an orwellian super
| villain, or perhaps he does and simply does not care?
|
| The latter is surely more frightening.
| archagon wrote:
| The oligarchs have now realized that nothing is going to stop
| them, so the masks are coming off.
|
| How long until corporations start organizing their own private
| militias, I wonder?
| jaggederest wrote:
| Negative sixty eight years[1]. Oh, you didn't mean the
| private military contractors, of which there were about 250k
| involved in the iraq and afghanistan war, slightly more in
| total than deployed troops at any given time.
|
| Many ultra-high-net-worth individuals hire them. It's no
| secret, they've been doing it since the 60s when kidnap and
| ransom insurance started being a serious thing, and it's only
| intensified over time. There was an interesting "bolt hole"
| real estate listing that claimed years supply of food, water,
| housing etc. for a "company sized group of security
| contractors" as an amenity.
|
| [1] G4S, the largest PMC company, founded in 1957
| scyzoryk_xyz wrote:
| Perhaps they already do, we just don't know about it yet =)
| Frost1x wrote:
| The trend has been more openness in this sort of behavior.
| After all, the public hasn't seemed to respond to it with much
| negativity other than people occasionally complaining about
| these sorts of behaviors online. The highest level complaint
| seems to be public protest, which don't seem to garner enough
| momentum to push change.
|
| If there's no repercussions, why not be transparent? Scary
| indeed, as it's quite telling of the direction we're headed in,
| IMHO.
| ozim wrote:
| Don't make a mistake of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison.
| scyzoryk_xyz wrote:
| For one, he's one of the OG's who's had vast wealth and power
| for longer than many others have been alive.
|
| And two, he's at an age where people lose any sense of self-
| awareness, shame, filters - all that shit.
|
| Anyways I don't think he cares that it makes him sound
| Orwellian. I suspect he's fine with being Orwellian outright.
| Not having what he has is as unimaginable as for all of us
| having a fraction of what he has. It's too much of a stretch
| for someone like that to extent so much to imagine.
|
| And yeah it's frightening, it's why we did away with autocratic
| Sun King calibre aristocracy/royalty and all that. We can
| expect all the other zillionaires to follow this path reliably
| over the next few decades.
| Delk wrote:
| Ars Technica article with a link to video records of the Oracle
| financial meeting: https://arstechnica.com/information-
| technology/2024/09/omnip...
| baal80spam wrote:
| How could he even say this with a straight face?
| rainworld wrote:
| CIA-Larry has been representing and pushing these ideas for a
| long time:
|
| https://chroniclesmagazine.org/view/larry-ellisons-golden-ag...
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Information_Awareness
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core
| slackfan wrote:
| At least he's open about his intentions.
| timoth3y wrote:
| > "We're going to have supervision," Ellison said.
|
| I literally read that as "supervillain" when I first read it.
| beng-nl wrote:
| The lawnmower wants to use vast AI surveillance on the blades of
| grass.
|
| Do not anthropomorphize the lawnmower.
| qzw wrote:
| The modern super billionaire is so rich that only complete
| societal collapse or being personally targeted by a state-level
| entity can threaten their basically never-ending wealth and
| power. That's why they all have built bunkers on various islands
| in the world and have kissed the rings of whichever political
| leaders that look the most likely to threaten their position
| and/or life. If some of these leaders are also going to give them
| more money for their services, then that's just another good
| transaction for them. Anyone can sell their soul for a price. It
| takes a billionaire to sell it over and over for an ever
| increasing return.
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