[HN Gopher] Making glow-in-the-dark Strontium Aluminate
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       Making glow-in-the-dark Strontium Aluminate
        
       Author : LorenDB
       Score  : 75 points
       Date   : 2025-01-19 13:30 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | jawns wrote:
       | When my kids were little, we had glow in the dark pacifiers that
       | lasted ALL NIGHT. I still don't know what sorcery was used to
       | accomplish that, but if any of you have little ones, the MAM
       | brand is what we used. Being able to spot the pacifier in the
       | crib at 5am was a huge help some nights.
       | 
       | And now my kids each have an extra eyeball, which has proven very
       | useful indeed.
        
         | ceejayoz wrote:
         | I have a tritium keychain that makes it delightfully easy to
         | find my dropped keys in the dark garage.
         | 
         | And some GMO petunias that glow 24/7.
         | https://www.instagram.com/p/C8_Dgqvuq2C/
        
           | xattt wrote:
           | Tritium-lit pacifiers sure sound like a legitimate 1950s
           | atomic age product.
        
             | pfdietz wrote:
             | There's a youtube channel from someone who finds and
             | reports frivolous radioactive products to the NRC, getting
             | them banned. It happens even today.
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BA5bw1EV5I
        
             | mrgaro wrote:
             | Not sure what the modern one are, but they will still glow
             | in the morning hours. They are very very handy!
        
           | swayvil wrote:
           | Looking for seed. Only seeing little plants (which ship
           | terribly and cost way too much). Petunias are dead easy to
           | grow from seed.
        
             | pentamassiv wrote:
             | Not the Firefly petunia. They were engineered to not grow
             | from a seed so they don't accidentally spread
        
               | swayvil wrote:
               | So they make infertile seeds. Well fudge.
               | 
               | So cuttings or roots or whatever
               | 
               | EDIT
               | 
               | according to google they can be grown from seed. So
               | experimentation is called for
        
               | ceejayoz wrote:
               | Petunias don't breed true, but people have gotten viable
               | glowing seedlings from them.
               | 
               | Might be a mess in 10-20 years when some inevitably
               | escape.
        
               | AuryGlenz wrote:
               | We had one in a pot with another plant and it got out-
               | competed hard. I doubt it'll be an issue. It's not like
               | glowing is an evolutionary advantage.
        
               | Modified3019 wrote:
               | Exactly. When's the last time you've seen normal petunias
               | being invasive.
               | 
               | Firefly petunias need a _lot_ of light. The entire plant
               | (roots too) are literally burning precious energy 24 /7
               | for the glowing. There seems to be a direct correlation
               | between the light they receive and how long the
               | internodes are from what I've seen putting them under
               | grow lights. More light, shorter internodes.
               | 
               | Here in the Pacific Northwest various worm (caterpillar)
               | larvae also love shredding them and eating through seed
               | pods, and they are susceptible to downy mildew complexes
               | which seem to become persistent within the plant.
               | 
               | They also are finicky about warmth, water and fertilizer.
               | 
               | They are a princess of a plant, not the next kochia or
               | pigweed.
               | 
               | Honestly it would be more viable to take invasive weeds
               | and hamper them by introducing glow genes.
        
               | ceejayoz wrote:
               | I'm not surprised they don't do that well in the PNW.
               | It's nothing like their home range.
               | 
               | Florida might be another story. I can't imagine we have
               | much research on the benefits of glowing plants in the
               | wild, either.
        
               | Modified3019 wrote:
               | This is outright not true, and I'm not sure where this
               | rumor came from.
               | 
               | Source: I have firefly petunias, I have seeds from hand
               | pollenating them, and I have volunteer plants growing in
               | the pot from seed I didn't collect.
               | 
               | They are simply not guaranteed to glow because they don't
               | breed true. 3 out of my 5 volunteer plants glow.
               | 
               | Light Bio is actually pleasantly realistic in how
               | amenable they are to _non-commercial_ breeding. I may
               | have even seen pollination instructions on their
               | instagram (normally certain moths pollenate petunias, and
               | without those you need to do so by hand yo be sure seeds
               | take)
               | 
               | You can see some crossbreeding results in
               | https://old.reddit.com/r/FireflyPetunia/
        
         | gus_massa wrote:
         | We had a pacifier chain shapped like an elphant head that
         | included a hidden rattle. It's very useful to find it when it's
         | indide the sheets or cloths.
        
       | the8472 wrote:
       | Would Strontium-90 make it glow ~permanently?
        
         | ur-whale wrote:
         | > permanently
         | 
         | Depends on your definition of "permanent"
         | 
         | With enough Strontium-90 involved, that might not be very long
         | indeed.
        
           | evilduck wrote:
           | "glows for your entire lifetime"
        
             | pfdietz wrote:
             | Teach a man to glow...
        
         | GravitasFailure wrote:
         | Huh, it very well might. 90Sr is a beta emitter, which should
         | excite phosphorescent materials nicely. Even better, it decays
         | into Yttrium 90, and Yttrium Aluminate is also phosphorescent
         | (it's also the YA in YAG lasers). Anyone have some spare 90Sr
         | we can test this with?
        
         | ianmcgowan wrote:
         | Also allow the baby to read minds and see through walls - that
         | triggered a burst of nostalgia for the comic Strontium Dog:
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium_Dog
        
       | swayvil wrote:
       | Hey I bought this stuff on amaz. It's good. Made glow plastic
       | (mix with epoxy), glow goo (mix with water gel)
        
         | dekhn wrote:
         | Yeah, I've used this- I CNC shapes into plastic, then backfill
         | with glow-epoxy. It works incredibly well with a UV lamp.
        
       | lightedman wrote:
       | Hey, I mine the stuff needed to make this stuff, but it sits as
       | display pieces in my fluorescent cases.
       | 
       | 34.7576, -116.2790
       | 
       | Lots of agate in the area, too.
        
         | latchkey wrote:
         | Woah, two weeks ago, I just randomly boondocked a few miles
         | directly south from there.
        
           | lightedman wrote:
           | So Pisgah or Lavic or Amboy. All great places to escape.
        
             | latchkey wrote:
             | Little bit further... 34deg09'54.6"N 116deg12'57.0"W
             | 
             | Was heading through JTree...
        
       | code_duck wrote:
       | Pretty interesting. I knew someone years ago who made batches of
       | borosilicate glass with this stuff. It's difficult to work,
       | unfortunately. The glow effect fades if you work it too much. I
       | still have a bunch of his glow glass.
        
       | Aardwolf wrote:
       | The combination of green glow and strontium somehow sounds very
       | radioactive, even though I assume it's not a radioactive isotope
       | they're using here
        
       | f1shy wrote:
       | A video about it:
       | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SIWcvudEPVA&pp=ygUTc3Ryb250aXV...
        
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