[HN Gopher] Study links sugar-filled drinks to millions of heart...
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Study links sugar-filled drinks to millions of heart disease and
diabetes cases
Author : hochmartinez
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Date : 2025-01-12 19:27 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| epicureanideal wrote:
| IMO a substantial (not 100%) root cause of all this is that many
| Americans are highly stressed, in precarious financial positions,
| with toxic work environments, pushed to work at above 100% effort
| (meaning, unsustainable) permanently, so they turn to excessive
| amounts of calories, caffeine, prescription or illegal drugs, to
| try to continue to function as long as possible. This leads to
| all kinds of medical issues down the road, which then is handled
| by emergency medical services, or very severe health problems
| that are very difficult to treat.
| lithocarpus wrote:
| I imagine this is a substantial cause. And, sugar is also a
| physical addiction, and many children are given it in varying
| degrees of excessive amounts from childhood even if they're not
| particularly subjected to stress. There is a spectrum of kinds
| of sugars but I imagine they could be weighted by something
| like glycemic index for measuring the degree of impact.
| swatcoder wrote:
| Perhaps, and we should continue to work on that, but
| exploitative and exhausting labor has been an issue for ten
| millenia or so at least. We may well not see it fixed in our
| lives.
|
| But the particular failings of the modern western diet are
| relatively new and might still be remedied or reversed without
| waiting for the whole labor and exploitation issue to be
| sorted.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| The difference is that the previous methods of exhausting
| labor provided physical exercise as a side effect.
|
| As brutal as that was on the body, it did have some health
| benefits.
|
| In contrast to modern American/Asian work culture, which is
| high stress _and_ sedentary.
| swatcoder wrote:
| While there exists a lot of sedentary work in the US and
| that has consequences, there's still a great deal of
| physical work done in the US as well, and a very high
| number of non-working people with plenty of time for
| personal exercise if they wanted to pursue it. Yet the
| profound wellness problems we're talking about apply to all
| of those groups.
| lithocarpus wrote:
| There's some truth there, but no matter how active one is,
| one can still out-eat the exercise with sugar.
| djaouen wrote:
| > which is high stress and sedentary
|
| Soon, we might even reach _low stress and not back-
| breaking_! *Gasp*!
| sydbarrett74 wrote:
| And since the Industrial Revolution, any labour is highly
| repetitive and therefore leads to RSI.
| AngryData wrote:
| Before the industrial age sustained exhausting labor was
| still a temporary thing reserved for planting and harvest
| times, and even then you were still deciding your own hours,
| it was just obviously the most profitable time to put in the
| most work so people did it.
| WalterBright wrote:
| > exploitative and exhausting labor
|
| That was necessary because of the low productivity of people.
| sapphicsnail wrote:
| Workers in industrial societies work way more hours than
| their ancestors did. There's enough resources for people to
| work less hours.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| Which goods would you cut out?
| sapphicsnail wrote:
| Most people I know spend a lot of time doing unnecessary
| things for their job. I don't have a magic solution to
| fix all the bureaucratic bullshit people are subject to
| but acknowledging it's a problem is a start.
| _DeadFred_ wrote:
| Stock buybacks. They serve nothing but short term driving
| up of profits purely to increase the value of
| management's stock options. They have no place in the
| functions/purpose of a healthy stock market.
| swatcoder wrote:
| I'm with you that things suck now and don't need to be this
| way, having carefully not said otherwise.
|
| But I also think you might be underestimating how many
| people's ancestors were slaves, serfs, miners, and laborers
| during hose prior several millenia of settled, urbanizing
| civilization. We don't all come from aristocratic or even
| subsistence farming stock.
|
| It can be less bad than it is, we might want to strive to
| make it less bad than it is, but it's been pretty darn bad
| for a long while. For pressing modern problems we _also_
| need to commit to more immediate tactics.
| sapphicsnail wrote:
| I'm not saying everyone had it better. Chattle slavery is
| definitely worse. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think we
| needed to have slaves to make progress. I want to push
| back against this idea that it's inevitable to have to
| work as much as we do. A worker today is significantly
| more productive. We could probably make life a lot easier
| for everyone by finding a more equitable way to
| distribute resources and by breaking up and regulating
| all the rent-seeking monopolists who makes things more
| expensive than they need to be.
| swatcoder wrote:
| > I want to push back against this idea that it's
| inevitable to have to work as much as we do
|
| I'm with you. Has anyone here said that?
| sapphicsnail wrote:
| Yes, someone responded to me saying just that and it's
| also a position I've seen frequently on HN. I think
| plenty of people have that as a gut reaction to any
| proposed change in the status quo.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Your first sentence is a false factoid repeated online
| [0][1]. And anyway, there is always more work to be done,
| so I don't understand why people think working hours would
| ever decrease; as soon as we build one thing, another
| problem crops up. We would only stop working until all
| problems in the world would have been solved, which is
| never.
|
| [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropology/comments/z38k5
| p/i_h...
|
| [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropology/comments/im1lq
| u/is_...
| sydbarrett74 wrote:
| Maybe we could get off the hedonic treadmill and be
| content with a certain level of material affluence.
| Avshalom wrote:
| Surviving to adulthood is also relatively new.
| cj wrote:
| I think this was also true 50 years ago. I'm unconvinced that
| we're working harder today compared to the past.
|
| I do agree society overall is higher stress mainly due to the
| internet and constant attention grabbing in all directions.
| abnercoimbre wrote:
| Couple that with lack of in-person communities. They are
| ephemeral at best now.
| epicureanideal wrote:
| It may not be physically as hard but I think the work is more
| precarious, and the cost of living is much higher for basics
| like housing, so the stress may be higher.
| WalterBright wrote:
| > but I think the work is more precarious
|
| It was a lot easier to fire people in those days.
|
| > the cost of living is much higher for basics like housing
|
| Around Seattle there are still a number of older homes.
| They are tiny and cheaply built compared to modern homes.
| llm_trw wrote:
| 50 years ago mean 1975, not 1935. It was a lot harder to
| fire people then.
| _DeadFred_ wrote:
| The repetitiveness of modern labor has moved full body
| physical labour to single point of failure on your body tasks
| with the likelier end result being you will end up crippled
| in some way (and having to just work with it) or have other
| overuse injuries which then leads to constant chronic pain.
| hnpolicestate wrote:
| "toxic work environments, pushed to work at above 100% effort
| (meaning, unsustainable) permanently, so they turn to excessive
| amounts of calories, caffeine, prescription or illegal drugs,
| to try to continue to function as long as possible."
|
| I've basically succumb to everything you list to survive
| working in a maddeningly dysfunctional school. And it's
| precisely "function as long as possible ". I have to
| disassociate somehow from the incompetence and corruption
| around me. Ativan and diet Coke help.
|
| I assume billions globally are doing the same thing to cope.
| The best metaphor I've come up with is that it feels like I
| play for a sub 60 win baseball team.
| jayd16 wrote:
| You don't need to be busy to guzzle down soda, Gatorade, sweet
| tea, etc. Its just pervasive.
| ajross wrote:
| > many Americans are highly stressed, in precarious financial
| positions, with toxic work environments, pushed to work at
| above 100% effort
|
| That seems spun. I don't think any of that is substantiated in
| any kind of rigorous way. Median americans today are wealthier
| than any population in human history, are working more than
| their compatriots elsewhere in the world but less than their
| parents, have more leisure time, travel more, etc...
|
| There's lots of things to complaint about, and there always
| will be. But really this kind of "Everything is Awful" rhetoric
| is just vibes. Yes, life sucks. It sucked _worse_ for your
| ancestors.
| bluefirebrand wrote:
| > Yes, life sucks. It sucked worse for your ancestors.
|
| Most of the time you are right, but the Baby Boomers are a
| pretty big outlier in this regard
|
| There is no question that the average Baby Boomer has had it
| much better than their children and grandchildren have
| ajross wrote:
| Not numerically. Median real income today is more than
| twice what it was in the 60's.
|
| FWIW: there's a... sociological problem with arguments
| framed around that. When you _measure_ US citizen wealth in
| the 1960 's it looks unimpressive[1]. When you _picture_ a
| "baby boomer", you see a working class family with no debt
| behind a white picket fence in a beautiful new subdivision
| living a great life on just the one income. And those
| families existed! So what gives?
|
| You're looking at a family headed by a working class white
| man. Not everyone could get those "working class" jobs that
| supported a family in the suburbs. There was _plenty_ of
| poverty in the 60 's, it was just hidden along with the
| single moms and minority communities we didn't record.
|
| Things today are a lot more even, which means that the
| "white picket fence" demographic perceives things going in
| the opposite direction from what's actually happening.
|
| [1] Relative to today, anyway. The US in the 60's was
| obviously an extremely wealthy country!
| swatcoder wrote:
| For the average white Baby Boomer with Anglo or
| Central/Northern European protestent ancestry and two
| resident parents, one of whom being unionized or a white
| collar professional, no question at all.
|
| And while there were enough of those to write and televise
| a mythos about that America in counterpoint to the
| communist threat overseas, it actually represents a narrow
| slow that the "average" Baby Boomer did not get to enjoy
| and doesn't live in much benefit of today.
| monadINtop wrote:
| It's always so strange to see this kind of "rigorous"
| posturing as a reply to people pointing out the obvious
| declination in their own living standards in the current
| moment. The vague notion of "national wealth" obscures the
| staggering wealth inequality that also is unique with respect
| to the current moment in human history, as does many of the
| theoretical parameters or models invoked by many economists
| or journalists in arguments like these.
|
| I'm not going to comment on that sweeping over-generalization
| of the totality of human history because it is vague to the
| point of meaninglessness.
| ajross wrote:
| If it's obvious, maybe you could show numbers?
| monadINtop wrote:
| Thomas Piketty's book on the matter should have enough
| for you.
|
| http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/Piketty2015AER.pdf
|
| https://wid.world/news-article/whats-new-about-wealth-
| inequa...
|
| https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10888-010-9155
| -y
| dangus wrote:
| > people pointing out the obvious declination in living
| standards and increase in societal problems
|
| But it's not like you're not doing the same thing in the
| opposite direction.
|
| The only thing really factual here on your list is wealth
| inequality, although as recently in history as the gilded
| age it was the same or worse. You barely have to go back
| more than 100 years to witness children working in
| factories with no safety standards in the USA.
|
| And really we don't have to involve the totality of human
| history to talk about major problems in the 1960s/1970s or
| even 1990s that we don't have anymore.
|
| - Lack of regulations that led to the EPA. Your parents
| probably grew up in a more polluted environment today
| breathing leaded gasoline.
|
| - Extremely recent prevalence of easily immunized diseases.
| Smallpox was eradicated in 1980 which wasn't all that long
| ago. Polio also comes to mind.
|
| - Developing countries like China where living standards
| have very obviously shot up by magnitudes in living memory
|
| - Crime in the US at generally declining levels since the
| 1990s, which has resumed its decline since the pandemic
| spike.
|
| - Arguably a decent amount less societal friction than the
| mid-century in America and more recently like with the LA
| riots. You don't have to go far back in time to have civil
| rights problems like gay people being excluded from
| marriage, women being disallowed from opening a bank
| account on their own, Black people being prohibited from
| getting mortgages.
|
| - Just the last decade of cancer treatment technology
| improvements has been incredible for late life longevity,
| and America's best universal healthcare program (Medicare)
| has better outcomes than other wealthy countries' universal
| healthcare systems.
|
| - The continuation of life expectancy gains has only
| recently stalled and IMO this will likely tick up again as
| obesity becomes a treatable disease with simple
| pharmaceuticals.
|
| - Safety standards and behavioral changes related to common
| causes of premature death. Factors like a more regulated
| tobacco industry and lower rates of smoking and motor
| vehicle safety improvements come to mind. A society that
| allowed cigarette companies to advertise with doctors as
| spokespeople is a society where you're more likely to die
| early. A society where the youngest generation has lower
| usage of alcohol and drugs like Gen Z/Gen Alpha does is one
| that is going to have better life outcomes compared to one
| that has higher use rates, and that behavior is a result of
| improvements to the environment around them.
|
| I could go on and on...yes things like housing and
| university have become very expensive, yes there are
| problems, but holistically you'd probably right rather be
| alive now than in 1970.
| monadINtop wrote:
| Cherry picking problems that have been solved in the last
| few decades are not relevant to a discussion focused on
| declining standards of living in relation to the economy
| and it's structure and how the average person experiences
| it - it's a specific problem related to wages, inflation,
| productivity, inequality, and how revenue has been chosen
| to be distributed etc.
|
| For someone interested in "rigor" I'm not sure how useful
| it is to weigh an arbitrary collection of goods like the
| EPA, eradicating smallpox and polio, etc. to a time
| before them in order to encourage me to answer that "I
| would rather be alive now". Angels on a pinhead etc.
| Seems a lot more useful to actually acknowledge the
| problems people complain about and think carefully about
| the specific dynamics that generate them rather than try
| convince them that everything's fine actually and they
| should just think about how good the polio vaccine is
| compared to Victorian work-houses.
|
| >But it's not like you're not doing the same thing in the
| opposite direction.
|
| Huh?
| dangus wrote:
| Let me shorten my point and maybe it'll help you
| understand what I mean:
|
| Increasing income inequality does not automatically mean
| that living standards are declining.
|
| It can mean that the living standards of the wealthy is
| growing faster than the living standards of the less
| wealthy.
|
| As an example, jump over to your LLM of choice and ask it
| to compare the rate of air conditioning in homes of
| people at the poverty line, comparing now to 1995. The
| numbers have jumped substantially since the cost
| including running cost (energy efficiency) of that
| technology has improved greatly.
|
| You were confused at that statement of mine that you
| quoted. What I was trying to say is that you complained
| about posturing but then engaged in very similar
| posturing. You've made the baseline assumption that
| living standards are decreasing _obviously_ without any
| substantiation.
|
| And maybe you're right, but you haven't substantiated it,
| you've just engaged in the same style of posturing that
| you criticized.
|
| Here's a couple pieces that substantiates my point, which
| is that global poverty is decreasing (certainly with
| continuing challenges but overall decreasing):
| https://www.macrotrends.net/global-
| metrics/countries/WLD/wor...
|
| https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty-in-brief
| sydbarrett74 wrote:
| We _may_ be wealthier materially _overall_ , but we're poorer
| mentally and socially. TANSTAAFL. And as others have pointed
| out, a higher aggregate level of wealth hides immense
| disparities.
| pengaru wrote:
| What matters is that the most conveniently accessible food
| isn't the damn dear worst thing you should be regularly eating
| large quantities of.
|
| Our food environment is the opposite of that.
|
| The stress only exacerbates the impulsive/comfort eating side
| of things, but it wouldn't be such a big deal if everyone were
| om nomming tasty organic carrots all day every day. Orange
| skin, sure, but not obesity and heart disease.
| JackYoustra wrote:
| ...or it's just the default choice and people choose the
| default choice when they're thinking of other things?
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| These are the same kind of vague, hand wavy distractions that
| would have been used to excuse or muddy the waters around
| tobacco 30 years ago. "Probably just stress" is not an excuse
| that explains the systemic health problems that come from
| excess sugar.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Has bigSugar been tweaking the formula of the additives used
| to make the product more addicting? Let's not forget how
| heinous bigTobacco behaved.
|
| Refining corn into high fructose corn syrup still isn't the
| same to me, but their lobbying campaigning is the same. If it
| comes out that they have knowledge of adverse effects of
| their product and still pushed that hard, then they should be
| dealt with in the harshest of punishment.
|
| Otherwise, comparison to bigTobacco isn't quite right
| portaouflop wrote:
| Of course they have knowledge of the adverse effects of
| sugar and are lobbying to prevent any legislation trying to
| curtail putting it into literally everything
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| Additives have nothing to do with it and are a complete
| distraction. Sugar has detrimental health effects and
| excessive sugar has more extreme health effects. The
| important thing now is that this is accepted and understood
| instead of people casting doubt like "maybe it's just
| stress".
| WalterBright wrote:
| Bone studies of American colonists showed they regularly
| overloaded their bones, and died young.
| taeric wrote:
| I confess I'm not clear what you are looking for the root cause
| of?
|
| I would be interested in seeing the costs of, for example,
| emergency medical services laid out by demographics. My
| understanding was that emergency services are very localized to
| where they are used. With perverse incentives hitting their
| uses.
|
| That said, in specific context of this article, this comment
| reads as a deflection away from the high levels of sugar being
| consumed in the US. Curious to hear why you'd think we are not
| high on those numbers.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| Psychologization of disease is often an indicator of the fact
| that we don't fully understand the cause-and-effect yet.
|
| Note how "stress" has taken approximately the same explanatory
| role that "sin" used to have two or three centuries ago.
| dangus wrote:
| What does this have to do with sugary drinks though?
|
| It's very easy to isolate out people who drink sugary drinks to
| people who don't who are in the same general environment with
| similar life pressures.
|
| Also, you are getting kind of loose with your definition of
| negative substances. Coffee is on your list despite being
| generally known to be neutral to good for you:
| https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-evidence-based-heal...
| the_cat_kittles wrote:
| japanese diet is low on sugar, so your point is wrong
| portaouflop wrote:
| They have the same problems of overwork and stress as the US
| though- plus adding in western diet getting more and more
| popular. Looking at numbers from 2021 Japan had about half
| the rate of diabetes compared to the US:
| https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/diabetes-rates-by-
| countr...
| from-nibly wrote:
| Keep it up, how else are nurses going to have a job?
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| There's always decent paying jobs for more beauracratized
| elements that require relatively little effort and pay at least
| enough to live off of! People enjoy working hard, and with a
| college degree there is often no need to work hard if you don't
| want to.
| snarf21 wrote:
| It has more to do with the food industrial complex in the US. A
| lot of the "sugar" in US foods is corn syrup, which has been
| subsidized ~$48B in the last 25 years. Most low fat foods are
| just replaced with double the sugar to make them more
| palatable.
|
| Although it as gotten slightly better, the food pyramid is
| somehow still the responsibility of the USDA; whose job it is
| to great food surplus. It should always been part of HHS
| because of the massive cost consequences, especially by the
| time people are on Medicare.
| TuringNYC wrote:
| >> IMO a substantial (not 100%) root cause of all this is that
| many Americans are highly stressed, in precarious financial
| positions, with toxic work environments, pushed to work at
| above 100% effort (meaning, unsustainable) permanently, so they
| turn to excessive amounts of calories, caffeine, prescription
| or illegal drugs, to try to continue to function as long as
| possible.
|
| I'm sure there are many truths and probably different realities
| for different cohorts of individuals. I will share a personal
| story which might seem almost shocking for GenZ+ as they enter
| the workforce:
|
| - My dad had a normal degree from a normal university in
| Accounting
|
| - My had had a normal 9-5 job. No family connection/etc, he was
| an immigrant
|
| - My dad was able to afford a home for us -- in the city -- on
| his salary alone (not a dual income). The
| homeprice:annualsalary ratio was 2:1. If he God-forbid lost his
| salary both my mom and dad would have tried to look for a job
| to help finances, most normal jobs would cover the
| mortgage/taxes
|
| Not to say there werent laborers in the 1970s, etc, but this
| was a very common scenario. It allowed you to work to meet
| needs and spend the rest of your time with family. You didnt
| have 5 espressos to try and crank more pull-requests at night
| after the kids fall asleep.
| _DeadFred_ wrote:
| Don't forget they are working multiple zero hour jobs. I.E. the
| job is at most part time so you need at least two, but the job
| also doesn't only not guaranty what days/shift hours you will
| work next week, it doesn't guarantee you will work any hours at
| all. Hence it is a zero hour job.
|
| Personally I think having more than 10% zero hour jobs should
| be illegal, as well as having multiple 'part time' positions to
| take the place of having full time positions.
| Luc wrote:
| Better link: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4
| rustdeveloper wrote:
| Interesting data for sugar in products scraped from Walmart:
| https://scrapingfish.com/blog/scraping-walmart
| swatcoder wrote:
| I was really excited to read this, but it's very shallow and
| barely presents any data at all.
|
| It's main and mostly meaningless conclusion is that there are
| more skus in the Walmart catalog for sugar-dominated products
| than for any protein- or fat-dominated ones, and that online
| reviewers generally tend to leave better reviews for those.
|
| Nothing about actual sales volume, promotional actions by
| Walmart, or monetary or nuyitional share of food consumed (or
| even purchased), etc -- any of which might say something more
| impactful.
| Someone1234 wrote:
| Previous discussion on this:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42625193
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| I stopped eating sugar and carbs completely and it changed my
| life. No brain fog, more energy, no anxiety, no depression. I
| cant communicate to people enough how much it improved my life.
| Nothing else worked, no therapy, no talking through things. It
| was a biological problem with my diet. I used to think I had
| ADHD, turns out I just needed to eat healthy. Prime steak and
| chicken, veggies, some dairy, lots of nuts. That's about it
| oxag3n wrote:
| Do you mean refined sugars and processed carbs, or carbs in
| general (i.e. going Keto)?
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Full keto
| NovemberWhiskey wrote:
| But you eat vegetables?
| SoftTalker wrote:
| Some vegetables are OK on keto IIRC. Leafy greens,
| asparagus, squash. Avoid the starchy ones.
| swatcoder wrote:
| Once started, your body will usually stay in ketosis even
| with a modest and non-trivial budget of carbs, on the
| order of maybe 10-20g, excluding fiber.
|
| That allows for a wide variety of veggie choices, as well
| as a some wiggle room for modest servings of nuts,
| legumes, beans, etc
|
| But basically there's no room at all for stuff like
| breads or rice or potatoes or sweetened drinks except as
| the finest accents. Never as the centerpiece of a meal.
|
| It's a very different way of living and eating, but can
| feel extremely invigorating and seems to be broadly
| healthy for most people.
| DiscourseFan wrote:
| https://www.renalandurologynews.com/features/ketogenic-
| diet-...
|
| You're going to destroy your kidneys. Our bodies are
| evolved to eat mostly carbs, not protein. It may make your
| head "clear," but just because you feel good doesn't mean
| its a genuine improvement to your physical health.
| tdpvb wrote:
| Ha, man, this link is basically a dialysis industry
| propaganda page.
|
| Our bodies evolved to survive -- whether with or without
| glucose. And you liver makes whatever those your body
| needs, from far, if necessary. Also keep in mind,
| industrialized wheat products would've been hard to come
| by back in the stone age -- if you ate at all, depending
| on whether your hunt was successful.
| ClassyJacket wrote:
| What are your actual parameters? Are you doing keto? Do you
| count your carbs - if so what's your limit?
|
| I used keto the first time I lost weight, and it also somehow
| cured my binge eating forever. But it's hard to keep up long
| term.
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| I don't count anything. I just cook all of my own food and
| never eat carbs or sugar. When I get hungry I eat
| neontomo wrote:
| you may still have adhd. eating well, having good habits and
| receiving accountability from your environment are all factors
| that manage the negative effects of the disorder.
|
| also would be interesting to know your time frame for how long
| you've done this - to rule out the honey-moon phase
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Nah I do't have ADHD, I was sick from the american diet
| Oarch wrote:
| I've done similar in the last year and can anecdotally say I've
| seen a huge reduction in brain fog, I feel full for longer and
| enjoy a far more consistent energy release throughout the day.
| I'll never go back.
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Its obvious there is something really wrong with the food
| satvikpendem wrote:
| I don't eat a lot of refined sugars but not eating any carbs
| feels extremely boring to me, and basically anathema to my
| Asian heritage where we eat rice daily. But yes, if it worked
| for you then that's great.
| ClassyJacket wrote:
| How is this news? At this point isn't this like saying "smoking
| linked to lung cancer cases"?
|
| I'm sure the study itself has merit but I don't get why it's on
| the front page.
| WalterBright wrote:
| When I eat a hamburger bun, it tastes like cake. The amount of
| sugar added to everything is horrific.
|
| Even "healthy" supplements like protein powder are filled with
| sugar. Sheesh. If I wanted it to be sweet, I could just dump a
| cup of sugar in it.
|
| And no, I don't want artificial sweeteners instead, either.
| taeric wrote:
| I'm more than a little curious what buns you are eating. :D
| That or what cake?
|
| It has surprised me how hard it has been to find a protein
| powder that isn't sweetened. Usually by stevia, nowadays.
|
| By far the thing with the most sugar added that I was late to
| give up, is a standard yogurt. Tried making our own vanilla
| yogurt, once. I don't think we succeeded at making it as sweet
| as what we went in expecting. Despite an absurd amount of sugar
| added in.
| Ancalagon wrote:
| FYI you can buy raw organic pea protein powder at your local
| sprouts grocery market. I used to use it religiously because
| whey would give me stomach problems and all the other pea
| proteins had stevia in them
| BeetleB wrote:
| > By far the thing with the most sugar added that I was late
| to give up, is a standard yogurt.
|
| The yogurt Nazi in me feels compelled to point out that
| standard yogurt has no added sugars, and is offended that
| someone conflates that with vanilla yogurt. :-)
|
| Reminds me of twenty years ago where stores routinely sold
| yogurt makers. Except they didn't make yogurt. They made
| frozen yogurt. You needed yogurt as an ingredient. Face palm.
|
| Plain yogurt - without gelarin, pectin and sugars - is really
| awesome food. People should try it! Really easy to make at
| home as well with an instant pot.
|
| And yes. Plain yogurt is sour. It hasn't gone bad.
| portaouflop wrote:
| I'm currently visiting the Americas and it's insane how
| hard it is to find yogurt without sugar. Just yesterday I
| bought some by mistake that looked like plain yogurt- upon
| closer inspection it turned out it had sugar added to it
| (masquerading as honey but we all know that that's just
| sugar in almost all cases)
| pton_xd wrote:
| Plain greek yogurt usually has no added sugar -- Fage,
| Siggi's, Oikos, Chobani, etc. It's also significantly
| higher in protein than regular yogurt.
| portaouflop wrote:
| That's what I thought too - but I'll just read the labels
| extra carefully next time and don't rely on the "natural
| Greek yogurt" title
| ndsipa_pomu wrote:
| Kefir is a lot easier to make than yoghurt as it's not very
| temperature sensitive - cold temps just make it slow down a
| bit and room temp is fine for it to ferment. It's also
| cheaper as once you have some Kefir grains you just keep
| feeding them with milk and they'll continue growing so you
| end up throwing away unwanted grains.
| nerdix wrote:
| I use protein from Naked Nutrition. Its fairly expensive but
| the version I buy is plain protein. No added favors or
| sweeteners.
|
| https://nakednutrition.com/products/grass-fed-whey-
| protein-p...
| dylan604 wrote:
| We've already seen EU courts saying Subway bread couldn't be
| called bread and listed it as cake because of the sugar. At
| some point one has to hope moments of clarity will break out on
| this side of the pond too
| klohto wrote:
| Actually, that's not correct. The controversy you might be
| thinking of was about Subway's bread in Ireland, where in
| 2020 the Supreme Court ruled that Subway's bread couldn't be
| legally classified as "bread" for tax purposes because it
| contained about 5 times more sugar than allowed under Irish
| law - around 10% of the flour's weight, not 10% of the total
| bread composition.
|
| The Irish law stated that for bread to be considered a
| "staple food" (and thus qualify for tax exemption), the sugar
| content couldn't exceed 2% of the flour's weight. This is
| different from saying the bread is 10% sugar overall.
|
| The actual sugar content in Subway bread varies, but it's
| typically around 5-6 grams of sugar per half a bread. That's
| higher than traditional bread but lower than many other
| commercial ones.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Yeah, well in typical 'murican style, anything from that
| side of the pond is EU. The differences are too small for
| me to care to learn the details. All I know is that what
| 'muricans call food is not what Europeans call food, and
| 'muricans are wrong
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _differences are too small for me to care to learn the
| details_
|
| Better response than doubling down on being corrected,
| which makes the original comment look like a lie, might
| be in editing.
| sydbarrett74 wrote:
| Ireland _is_ within the EU and uses the Euro as its
| currency (unlike when the UK was in the EU and stuck to
| the Pound Sterling), so you were never wrong.
| hedora wrote:
| It's worth mentioning that artificial sweeteners and ultra-
| processed foods that are advertised as low-carb/low-sugar are
| probably worse for you than sugar water.
|
| Minimally processed foods that don't have all the fiber ripped
| out of them (like sugar and white flour do) seem to be the best
| bet these days.
| xyst wrote:
| The number of companies peddling "0 sugar" drinks but the list of
| ingredients shows a shit ton of sugar substitutes is wild to me.
|
| Have met people that think their "diet" drink is healthy because
| the stupid label says "zero sugar!!" Thus this gives them a
| reason to consume it many times in the day.
|
| Yet a glance at the ingredients list shows synthetic sugar or
| "sugar substitute".
| bilsbie wrote:
| I always thought it curious that we crave sugar so much yet have
| zero interest in eating straight sugar.
| Ylpertnodi wrote:
| Try cycling (the world of).
|
| _Explain.... On long rides, I drink 500ml of water to 200g of
| sugar. Actual sugar. My max-best is greater than 400km in
| 24hrs. No sugar, no go. Monday (tomorrow for me) I have an up-
| to-125k group ride planned. I added 25g of sugar, to get my
| body fueled, and ready, to my potatoe-based meal. I try not to
| bonk (sugar crash), but gummi bears and Coke (ahem! [_ tm]) are
| your friends.
| m3kw9 wrote:
| I can see people that drink a lot of coke type sodas are trying
| to find a different study to dispute it.
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