[HN Gopher] HMD Key - A lightweight, affordable smartphone
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HMD Key - A lightweight, affordable smartphone
Author : namanyayg
Score : 107 points
Date : 2025-01-12 12:27 UTC (10 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.hmd.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.hmd.com)
| mjd wrote:
| This sounds great, except I don't live in those places.
|
| Is there a similar product that works in the USA?
| TazeTSchnitzel wrote:
| There are an endless number of budget phones with essentially
| identical specs to this, yes.
| TazeTSchnitzel wrote:
| Yet another phone with Android Go edition, four very slow
| Cortex-A53 cores
| (https://www.unisoc.com/en_us/home/TZNSJ-9832E-7), 2GB of RAM
| (https://www.hmd.com/en_int/hmd-key/specs?sku=1GS009MPG3001), 2GB
| of "virtual RAM" (swap space)...
|
| Destined to become immediate e-waste like all the other phones in
| its class. Wanna bet that it can only run 32-bit apps despite
| having a 64-bit CPU, because it's so memory-starved? That's
| extremely common in this segment.
|
| The "Upgrade without overspending" pitch is rather bizarre
| considering that the specs on low-end phones seemingly do not
| change. Five years ago they were selling four very slow
| Cortex-A53 cores with 2GB of RAM, today they are selling four
| very slow Cortex-A53 cores with 2GB of RAM, in five years the
| phone manufacturers will have somehow continued twisting Google's
| hand to be able to continue selling four very slow Cortex-A53
| cores with 2GB of RAM.
| amarcheschi wrote:
| I truly feel sorry for those that will use this phone for
| anything that is not just calling and writing sms. I've had
| relatives with slow phones, and especially if old and not tech
| savvy, they click, wait, click again because nothing happened.
| Then, the feedback of the first click arrives, but the 2nd
| click will now click something different because what is being
| displayed has now changed. So they go back, but it's so slow
| they have to wait and press back again (...). And so, the
| eternal cycle of slow mobile phones restarts
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| > _I truly feel sorry for those that will use this phone for
| anything that is not just calling and writing sms._
|
| Phones in this class will freeze every other time they're
| receiving a call, so they're hardly suitable for even that.
|
| In my eyes, these phones should be labeled as not suitable
| for advertised use and shouldn't be allowed to be sold in
| civilized world, as to protect the poorest from psychological
| damage they can cause. I'm serious. My first Android phone
| was like that, and it's depression through thousand
| papercuts.
| ZiiS wrote:
| Four cores, each with more computing power then existed in the
| known universe when I was born.
| hooli_gan wrote:
| Executing more bloat, than all of the code that existed when
| you were born
| jeroenhd wrote:
| My experience with HMD ("Nokia") phones has been that
| they've come quite bloat-free from the factory. There are
| the Google apps (because no normal Android user outside of
| maybe China would buy a phone without those) but other than
| that the ROM has always been very clean.
|
| If you load it up with Tiktok and Instagram and whatever
| else likes to run in the background all the time, it'll
| certainly be bogged down, but HMD phones themselves are
| normally clean when you buy them*
|
| *=unless you buy them through a carrier which customises
| the OS, like people in the US often seem to choose for some
| reason. But that's because the carrier loads those phones
| with bloat, not because HMD does.
| hooli_gan wrote:
| Interesting, which HMD models have you used and have you
| used Spotify or Youtube with bluetooth headphones on
| them? I wonder how they perform.
| TazeTSchnitzel wrote:
| The Cortex-A53 is certainly a respectable processor within
| its design constraints. It is from 2012, and I think it is
| either the smallest or the second-smallest implementation of
| AArch64 that Arm have designed. It is very power-efficient,
| and that was the design goal. You definitely _can_ make an
| SoC that _only_ has "efficiency" cores, and it can even run
| Android, but putting it in a smartphone indicates that pure
| manufacturing cost is your only design consideration.
| mherkender wrote:
| The cores aren't slow so much as software was designed for more
| powerful devices. It's a shame, really.
| bobmcnamara wrote:
| Like a raspberry pi 3?
| usrusr wrote:
| What happened to RAM use? Ignoring gaming (which a large
| sunbset of the market never ever does), phones these days are
| doing exactly the same things they were doing back when 512MB
| was considered a generous amount of RAM. It feels as if Google
| deliberately ended all RAM frugality in platform updates to get
| ever bigger ad delivery machines into pockets.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Most of my phone's RAM is going towards Firefox and maybe a
| few messengers that stay resident. The rest is all cache just
| in case I want to switch back to an app I opened yesterday.
|
| Running Android on 512MB is a thing of the past but if
| websites could stop bloating themselves up with Javascript
| modules and megabytes of images, this phone would probably be
| fine as a daily driver for someone who doesn't use their
| phone all that often.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| HMD is a mobile phone brand; "Key" is a line of phones.
|
| I thought it was something like a YubiKey, but it appears instead
| to be a really cheap phone running Android Go.
| datenhorst wrote:
| HMD is Nokia's successor-in-spirit
| CalRobert wrote:
| Seemed like a successor in all but spirit when I owned one of
| their godawful pieces of crap. I weep for the old Nokia.
| robocat wrote:
| The HMD phones I bought before 2020 were really great (e.g.
| 7+) - I kept needing to replace because got stolen or I
| broke screen. After Covid I bought an underpowered HMD
| which was really terrible - maybe they had trouble sourcing
| good CPUs?
|
| With Android I find my choices are either buy a cheap
| shitty phone, or pay too much. It's hard to find a good
| value Android. At least the battery can last 2 days on some
| Androids (my favourite feature).
| bossyTeacher wrote:
| HMD is jut a random company that bought the Nokia brand. They
| are entirely different companies AFAIK.
| skrebbel wrote:
| HMD was founded by a bunch of ex-Nokia people. They're
| based in Finland, like Nokia. I _assume_ plenty ex-Nokia
| people work there now, would love to know how true this is
| if anyone knows.
| hiAndrewQuinn wrote:
| There's a smattering of old Nokia hands at HMD, but in my
| experience you're likely to find at least a few ex-Nokia
| people in almost any tech company of note out here. For
| all its faults as a company it birthed a generation of
| truly exceptional electrical and embedded engineers, and
| they in turn have birthed a metric ton of startups in the
| last decade all over the place.
|
| It looks like HMD Global's headquarters are in Espoo,
| which is kind of like the Long Island of Helsinki if that
| makes sense. So they definitely have access to a lot of
| that human capital if and when they need it.
| Jarmsy wrote:
| I was expecting a head mounted display that somehow unlocks
| things
| noncoml wrote:
| Android? Meh...
| zweifuss wrote:
| Android Go, actually.
|
| Teams, Slack, etc. won't work well (or at all). WhatsApp, Skype
| only in a limited mode.
| hddherman wrote:
| > Another key area this device hasn't cut back on is its
| security. Quarterly security updates for 2 years2 will help keep
| everything safe and sound.
|
| That's a criminally short support period, and a great way to
| produce even more e-waste.
| asadhaider wrote:
| Agreed, this would be a hard no and makes me think if feature
| updates will be on an even shorter lifecycle.
|
| The about us page even states "We make phones that last for
| years" as their company quest[0].
|
| [0] https://www.hmd.com/en_int/about
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Well, if they last exactly two years, they're not even lying.
| hulitu wrote:
| > That's a criminally short support period,
|
| No. Sincerely, GCHQ.
| politelemon wrote:
| Expensive devices turns to ewaste in shorter time frames for
| reasons other than support. This is a poor metric to pick on.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Devices? Yes. Expensive? Only if you fail in picking them.
| Buy an iPhone or something. I'm in Android camp, but I only
| buy flagships (after some bad experiences with cheap end of
| the phone spectrum) specifically _because_ I can rely on them
| to work for 3+ years, getting updates over that period, and
| importantly, still being performant enough relative to
| contemporary software as to not be annoying to use.
|
| I agree with GP here. In the current security-obsessed
| zeitgeist, 2 years of security updates is criminally low,
| pretty much designed to generate e-waste.
| f1shy wrote:
| In my experience, I had to give about 100/yr to havea
| relatively good device foor my needs. I could choose to buy
| a cheap thing every year, or 600 every 6; for similar
| Performance. I prefer to change device no so often. 2 years
| is just too short.
| danieldk wrote:
| Something like a Samsung A55 will also get 5 years of
| security updates. This line usually converges to around 300
| Euros halfway the yearly product release cycle. There are
| cheaper Samsung models with long support periods, but last
| time I looked, they would only get quarterly security
| updates. The Pixel _a_ line usually also has pretty good
| pricing, but they tend to have weird issues/bugs.
|
| (I'm an iPhone user, but just to point out that there are
| also more affordable options with longer support periods.)
| szundi wrote:
| iPhones have very good resale value even after 3 years,
| financially not that expensive! Easily good for 5 years and
| even then you can have decent money for it. Of course they
| can become pretty expensive suddenly - just when you drop
| them.
| craftkiller wrote:
| There is a middle ground. I spent $94 total after taxes/fees
| getting a Pixel 6A in August 2023. Its security updates end-
| of-life is July 2027. That's 4 years of security updates for
| only $23 more (assuming the PS59 is taxes and fees included)
| and my pixel 6a specs blow this thing out of the water.
| nonplus wrote:
| It seems like a valid metric to pick on. Premium devices are
| refreshed early/short cycle their lifespans because they are
| purchased by customers with disposable income. Budget devices
| should be sold to last as that's what's important to the
| customers buying them.
|
| As a counter though, I would say with 2gb of ram this device
| just won't be fast enough for most of its users in 3 years
| anyway; so although I find this a valid argument to make, a
| new issue pops up immediately (for me at least).
| madeofpalk wrote:
| And it's even worse
|
| > 2From the global launch date of HMD Key.
|
| So if you buy it in 12 months time it'll only recieve 1 year of
| security updates.
|
| How long do you reckon this will be on the market for?
| exe34 wrote:
| would be nice if the EU would mandate something like lineage os
| being available from day 1 for a device. manufacturer would
| have to provide resources to make sure it works before release.
| pzo wrote:
| I wish EU at least make mandate that from the moment someone
| stop providing security updates they have to provide some key
| to unlock bootloader etc and even for those iPhone that are
| not supported anymore. Those devices like e.g. iPhone X are
| still super powerful and they could be used for other
| purposes if we could install linux on them. They could be a
| much powerful version or raspberry pi with nicer form but
| with touchscreen, gps, 4g, wifi, bluetooth, cameras,
| microphones, imu, speakers, battery, audiojack/connector.
| flas9sd wrote:
| after june 2025 producers cannot sell a phone in the EU market
| with such a short software support timespan
|
| https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/...
|
| > availability of operating system upgrades [..] at least 5
| years from the date of the end of placement on the market of
| the last unit of a product model
| ptx wrote:
| Maybe they expect the flash wear out after 2 years, since
| they're using it for swap.
| KeplerBoy wrote:
| weird targeted regions. I thought those phones would be mostly
| sold in the poorest of the poor regions, not the richest nations
| of the Commonwealth.
| hulitu wrote:
| > not the richest nations of the Commonwealth.
|
| Aren't there any poor in Britain ?
| KeplerBoy wrote:
| Sure, but I'd guess even poor people allocate slightly more
| money than that for smartphones.
| fuzzfactor wrote:
| >just PS59 from the 2nd of January in the UK, Australia, and
| the New Zealand
|
| That's a pretty low price but outside of UK and AU, only
| available in the "newest" of Zealands ;)
| manojlds wrote:
| Maybe a first phone for kids?
| CalRobert wrote:
| A dumbphone might be a better choice if you don't want them to
| turn in to screenkids.
| whitehexagon wrote:
| My recent hmd/nokia disappointment was a flip dumb-phone.
| Annoyingly it has a facebook app that cant be deleted, and
| some games that auto-charge your phone bill after a few
| plays. If they really try to ban smart-phones for kids, then
| we are going to need a better definition of a dumb-phone.
| Bring back the old Nokia!
| Retr0id wrote:
| It's a shame we haven't figured out how to do "modular"
| smartphones where the motherboard can be swapped out, like with
| framework laptops. I'd be happy with a phone from 10 years ago on
| all axes except CPU/GPU/RAM and corresponding security updates.
| suprjami wrote:
| Google's Project Ara was this. A modular smartphone where you
| could swap any component out with plug-in modules.
|
| I met a Google employee at a conference in 2016 and he let me
| play with his Ara for a bit. It felt fantastic. I'd have bought
| one in an instant.
|
| Google cancelled the project.
|
| I do wonder about the longevity of such a device. I still have
| all my Android phones from the very first HTC G1 and anything
| with a removable component feels pretty rattly now.
|
| When Nokia 5110 were on the market and you'd owned one for a
| while, you needed to pack the battery with double sided tape so
| the contacts didn't disconnect, causing the phone to power off.
|
| I guess that sort of thing is why Google binned the idea.
| Retr0id wrote:
| I'm envisaging something slightly less plug-and-play, more
| like "take your phone into the shop to get it upgraded" -
| which would allow for things like maintaining the waterproof
| sealing we've come to expect from modern phones.
| quitit wrote:
| I recall Nokias which eventually let even a modest drop send
| the battery off in one direction and the phone in another.
| With the 7110-style nokias turn into e-sprinklers flinging
| the sliding cover off too.
| pzo wrote:
| I liked the concept for also the reason that such 2nd hand
| market for modules would be great for DIY and arduino and
| raspberry pi like projects. Such phones could have a second
| life for other purposes or at least some parts could have
| second life.
|
| They mentioned some difficulty and bulkiness but then I wish
| such concept has been applied for tablets that we change less
| often and have more space.
| saidinesh5 wrote:
| Let alone user swappable soc and ram.. we even lost the
| modularity that came with micro sdcards and user replaceable
| batteries in so most phones these days...
| mjburgess wrote:
| I think modularity made more sense in an area where significant
| performance gains happened in hardware every 6 months. It makes
| very little sense with a 6+ year horizon -- at that point
| you're upgrading everything anyway.
|
| Now, modularity is really a right-to-repair issue, not anything
| that provides a meaningful benefit to upgrading. And for that
| things just need to be "modular" enough to repair by a
| specialist.
| mtmail wrote:
| https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5 has 5 year warranty.
| Parts are replaceable but there's no choice of parts, with a
| bit more tools one would be able to do the same replacements on
| an iphone. https://www.fairphone.com/en/2023/08/30/is-the-
| fairphone-5-t...
| danieldk wrote:
| During my last Android excursion, I investigated Fairphone,
| but people seem to have a lot of issues with them? Like
| shutting frequently down during the summer due to heat, phone
| calls often not coming through, etc.
| commandersaki wrote:
| Strange to see they're marketing virtual memory swap space like
| it's a good thing.
| unsupp0rted wrote:
| Just press the "boost" button any time you want your phone to
| not be terrible. I'm not kidding- that's on their landing page.
| gdjskslsuhkso wrote:
| I do miss having a turbo button on my computer.
|
| I wonder if they plan to monetize the boost button.
| mkl wrote:
| And like it's an innovation.
|
| They also have this footnote:
|
| > Using memory extension (virtual RAM) requires enough storage
| space. To protect the storage, memory extension is
| automatically and permanently disabled once 90% of the usage
| limit is reached.
|
| So you get to 90% (of 32GB) one time, and swap no longer works
| even if you clear space?
| Tepix wrote:
| It sounds like it. What a piece of shit.
| x-yl wrote:
| I imagine the usage limit is on flash write cycles to prevent
| premature failure of the storage, not on how much storage
| space is used
| YoooThere wrote:
| I wouldn't want to use this as my main device, but I might get
| one just to use as the display for a DJI controller. At the
| moment I'm using an old Samsung S8 with a burnt-in screen and no
| updates.
| seanalltogether wrote:
| I tried a relatively cheap nokia android phone a couple years ago
| and I'll never do it again. The camera would do this thing where
| you would take a photo, the screen would show that the shutter
| had snapped, but your actual photo would be whatever was
| happening a second later. I ended up with 10% of my photos being
| a blurry picture of the floor.
| saidinesh5 wrote:
| Yup.. and in some of the cheaper phones I have tried out, there
| was a mismatch with camera flash timing and when the phone
| actually captured the image.. it didn't happen in the main
| camera app but happened in every other app.. so most of my
| night pictures were just black... It would have been nicer if
| there were fewer android phones around so the manufacturers
| actually spend time testing them out..
| brightball wrote:
| I think they licensed the brand out to another manufacturer.
| bean-weevil wrote:
| Yes, they licensed it to HMD. Lol
| jpc0 wrote:
| I think the issue with these low end devices are that the duopoly
| on operating systems makes it impossible to develop a competing
| operating system that get's any traction.
|
| I am 100% sure you, as a manufacturer, could develop a very
| lightweight shim over a linux or BSD kernel that has
| significantly better performance than Android does. It would
| however be a universal flop regardless of how useable it is since
| critical apps like WhatsApp/Telegram/banking would not get ported
| to that platform ever.
|
| That effectively leaves you with needing a capable web browser
| and well... Even Firefox with every form of adblocker enable
| regularly chews up 2-3 GB of ram for me, at least on desktop. And
| building a competitive web browser to Chromium is an absurd
| endeavour for a cheap cell manufacturer.
| vhguru wrote:
| They tried with Sailfish, which is the spiritual successor of
| the excellent N95 OS, but alas not sufficient traction.
| bsimpson wrote:
| "They" is an interesting choice here. Two companies spun out
| of the wreckage of Microsoft's Nokia takeover: HMD and Jolla.
| HMD was Nokia's old hardware division, and they're making
| this device. Jolla was the software division, and they're
| making Sailfish.
| BirAdam wrote:
| I don't think this would actually be too hard. Ladybird browser
| is making progress everyday. A browser is harder than an OS. As
| for market adoption, it would take someone with a ton of money
| to bribe device manufacturers and press the way that Microsoft
| used to do. So, I wouldn't say it's hard. Getting the right
| people involved would be the hard bit. How many S tier devs in
| the browser space are ready to gamble their futures? How many S
| tier OSdevs? How many completely batty billionaires are there?
| 43920 wrote:
| > I am 100% sure you, as a manufacturer, could develop a very
| lightweight shim over a linux or BSD kernel that has
| significantly better performance than Android does
|
| I'm not sure why this would be true, unless you're willing to
| cut back significantly on features. Google already spends quite
| a bit of effort on performance improvements, and most
| manufacturers aren't exactly known for being able to produce
| high-quality software.
|
| There have been a couple projects that have tried to make
| phones based on pure Linux (Librem, Pinephone). Their
| performance is limited a lot by not having good CPU options,
| but it doesn't seem like they've been able to achieve much
| performance improvement on the software side either.
| jpc0 wrote:
| > I'm not sure why this would be true, unless you're willing
| to cut back significantly on features.
|
| Sorry for not making it clear but I was implying exactly
| that. There are a ton of features that are really nice but a
| person spending that little on a phone probably doesn't need.
| I would likely even put "big touchscreen" on that list...
| Really a phone that: - makes phonecalls - has
| support for WhatsApp/Telegram etc even without video calls
| - has a real keyboard - has my banking app -
| commits to long term support and repair(5+ years preferably
| 10)
|
| Would be number one on my list of things to buy because thats
| exactly what I want. I would absolutely still own an iPhone
| that I use day to day. But that cheap phone is exactly what I
| want when the iPhone needs to sit in a drawer for two weeks
| and I'm using a burner number out of town.
| fractallyte wrote:
| There's a simple solution for that: Jolla's AppSupport
| (https://jolla.com/appsupport/). It enables a Linux device to
| run Android apps, and it's part of Jolla's Sailfish package.
|
| Someone else already pointed out
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42674279) that HMD and
| Jolla are both spin-outs from Nokia, so it would seem to be a
| natural fusion...
|
| Also, it bears repeating: Sailfish is a _far_ better mobile OS
| than either Android or iOS. It 's simple, consistent, and looks
| great.
| jbosh wrote:
| Would a project similar to wine/proton help to cover that gap?
| com2kid wrote:
| > I think the issue with these low end devices are that the
| duopoly on operating systems
|
| Evidence going back over 30 years now points to the consumer
| computing market as only being able to support 2 platforms.
|
| The dev costs otherwise are just too high. Heck as it is cross
| platform toolkits are a huge deal, because hiring 2 dev teams
| for 2 very different platforms is too much of a cost for most
| companies to bear.
| scrlk wrote:
| Probably better value to buy a used or refurbished phone, rather
| than a new phone at the extreme end of the budget category.
| quitit wrote:
| At this level of saturation it's not unusual to receive a
| pretty good one when a friend, family member or coworker
| upgrades. Giving the device further life and keeping it out of
| eWaste.
|
| In my opinion these bottom-tier phones are just eWaste.
| Havoc wrote:
| Why is a budget android phone the #2 post on hn?
|
| This doesn't feel organic at all.
| voytec wrote:
| Low-end phone with "AI Camera" on the cover? Yeah, no.
| throwaway519 wrote:
| A Redmi 13C with 6G RAM (+2G), Octacore 2.2 GHz, 5G, costs PS65
| new. Charger included.
|
| That's a budget phone. Seems a better bang all around for the
| extra PS6.
| danieldk wrote:
| But probably even worse update-wise and most likely backdoored?
| Security should not be exclusive to the rich.
| ReptileMan wrote:
| Is that a satire or parody site? Definitely feels like it.
| Tepix wrote:
| This is a phone with a limited version of Android (Android Go)
| and only 2GB of RAM which isn't enough. It has a slow CPU, it
| lacks 5G connectivity which is more and more important just to
| have good reception. It comes with at most 2 years of security
| updates. It has 32GB of storage which quickly fill up if you take
| pictures every now and then.
|
| If you can afford it, get something like the Samsung A52 5G with
| 7 years of updates and 6GB or 8GB of RAM. If that's too
| expensive, get one from the list when it's on sale:
| https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=umtsover&v=e&hloc=uk&sort=p&bl1...
|
| These are recently released phones with 6GB RAM or more and
| Android 14+ starting at PS99. 6GB of RAM means you can use your
| phone for a couple of years without it getting super slow.
| saagarjha wrote:
| 2 GB of swap. I don't think RAM was mentioned.
| yoavm wrote:
| The specs mention 2GB of RAM: https://www.hmd.com/en_int/hmd-
| key/specs?sku=1GS009MPG3001
| saagarjha wrote:
| Ah, neat. Well not neat this sucks but thanks for sharing.
| _heimdall wrote:
| Its limited for sure, but that may not be a problem for
| everyone. I've been using a Cat S22 flip phone without any real
| issue. It has a Snapdragon 215 and 2GB of RAM.
|
| Don't get me wrong, the S22 is limited for sure and that's part
| of what I use it for (I need a rugged device to carry around
| our land, I don't need a glass slab). Android is noticeably
| slower than a more recent Pixel device but its totally usable.
| thisislife2 wrote:
| You are ofcourse right that there are better specced devices in
| this price band. And HMD is one of the better respected mobile
| brands. Two GB is also good enough for basic telephony (calls,
| messaging, video chats etc.) and for various kinds of
| "consumption" (music, youtube, browsing etc.). Many popular
| older apps can run fine on it too. Honestly, when Android 5 - 8
| could run on 1 GB or less, on single or dual core cpus, quite
| well, I don't frankly understand how we've come to this point
| that we now need a new OS (Android Go) to run on "limited
| resources" devices that have _more_ ram and cpu (cores) ...
| Kwpolska wrote:
| > And HMD is one of the better respected mobile brands.
|
| [citation needed]
| FireInsight wrote:
| All thanks to the Barbie phone.
|
| https://www.hmd.com/en_int/hmd-barbie-phone
| BirAdam wrote:
| Probably because Google, Facebook, Insta, and TikTok need to
| constantly observe where the phone is, what and who it's
| near, what's being said, what's being done on device, and so
| on. That's a lot sensor access, a lot of compute, and a lot
| of bandwidth relatively speaking. The average phone with
| Facebook and without has noticeable battery differences even
| if both phones are left untouched (personal testing, I don't
| have formal numbers for that last bit).
| amelius wrote:
| Maybe it is perfect for people who want to limit their
| smartphone use?
| cyp0633 wrote:
| A Redmi 14C offers 4GB RAM, MTK G81 SoC, for 499 CNY (about 66
| EUR, slightly more expensive than the HMD one) in China. It would
| be a strong competitor if it's that cheap in Europe as well, but
| sadly no. The price is almost doubled. That said, it's still a
| phone you shouldn't buy if you can afford a better one.
| lifestyleguru wrote:
| My current smartphone has "cloud camera". I'll wait for
| smartphone with "blockchain camera", thanks.
| throwaway55479 wrote:
| Affordable yes, but not sustainable.
|
| FYI, You can now have 6 years of major android upgrades for 200$
| with the A16 [1]
|
| [1]
| https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=13346&idPhone...
| wormik wrote:
| I don't understand why people who are clearly not the ICP have
| the urge to comment. I think that market will prove whether it's
| a good thing.
| szundi wrote:
| Actually this is a place that is open to anyone's opinion - and
| that makes sense. People from border areas with the one of the
| discussion can give alternative insights. Of course digging
| relevant ones out of 1k comments are a challenge.
| beefnugs wrote:
| I don't often trust tech opinions, but when I do, it is those
| from the insane clown posse
| Retr0id wrote:
| I suspect most people here aren't going to daily-drive one of
| these, but there's another use - testing how your app runs on
| low-end devices.
| butz wrote:
| Where did all small budget phones had gone? I don't need a tablet
| that does not fit anywhere and has huge camera bump that does not
| lie flat on the table.
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