[HN Gopher] 28h Days: year 1 update
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28h Days: year 1 update
Author : HAMSHAMA
Score : 182 points
Date : 2025-01-08 23:37 UTC (23 hours ago)
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| xedrac wrote:
| This flies in the face of circadean rhythm research. I know the
| human body is extremely adaptable, but imagine making every
| single day a jet-lagged day. My younger self may have been able
| to tolerate it well enough, but there's no way I'd come out
| unscathed now.
| ty6853 wrote:
| I have tried on occasion to work night shift. It is OK for a
| few weeks but within months I reach extreme exhaustion falling
| asleep while operating dangerous machinery, despite sleeping
| during the day. I experienced a similar phenomenon working on a
| fishing boat where I simply never adapted to sea sickness and
| after weeks of throwing up almost all food and fluids it took
| months to crawl back to activity and recover including the
| pneumonia induced from my immune system and homeostasis being
| beat down.
|
| Human body can be really bad at adapting to unworldly
| environments to the point you totally break down.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| You must not be aware of the research on Non-24[1] (or
| "Non-24-hour sleep-wake disorder") which OP seems to have
| (though perhaps they also aren't aware this is a thing).
|
| Not saying non-24 is good for you, but for people unable to
| follow a 24-hour schedule, free-running sleep (which is what OP
| is doing) is vastly better than constantly pushing through
| sleep deprivation, when one's schedule allows for it.
|
| Speaking as someone with non-24 myself (which is much more
| severe in the winter)
|
| edit: after reading more closely, it appears OP has entrained
| to a 28-hour day rather than doing free-running sleep; 28-hour
| days are convenient in that the week gets sliced into 6 days
| and allows for a consistent weekly schedule. However, I suspect
| OP actually naturally gravitates towards a shorter day like 26
| or 27 hours based on their napping patterns. I also wonder if
| they might even have more success with 24-hour days and regular
| exercise, as from their description it almost seems like the
| daily exercise practice which they started _after_ the 28-hour
| day might be regulating their circadian rhythm to be closer to
| a natural day.
|
| [1]:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...
| niz4ts wrote:
| I did free-running sleep for a while (I mention this in the
| original 28h day post), but decided on 28h days to weekly
| match other people's schedules.
|
| I exercised regularly before 28h days, and my sleep was still
| chaotic with that. I didn't exercise daily though, it was
| hard to fit everything I wanted to do on a 24h day. Having
| longer days means I can fit more things, which I think is one
| of the reasons why I increased the amount of exercise after
| moving to 28h.
|
| I also haven't read any research on this, I just did what
| felt more natural and logical to me.
| scrollaway wrote:
| I miss being able to do free-running sleep.
|
| I remember so many people in my life being skeptical about my
| claim that I naturally have longer days than 24h. Then ~6
| years ago I actually tested it; my watch recorded my sleep,
| and it became obvious:
|
| https://photos.app.goo.gl/rTh2vkEMPEiJXx5Y7 [time-asleep
| graphed on a daily 24h chart]
|
| And only then did I learn what a non-24 was.
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| I doubt your assertion about circadian rhythm research, largely
| because of the cave experiments that show that people naturally
| assume non-24 hour days when removed from sunlight and social
| cues.
| wbl wrote:
| The melatonin response to sunlight shortens the cycle so the
| oscillator runs long without it. It wouldn't work well the
| other way.
| silversmith wrote:
| So, in other words, get more sunlight?
| energy123 wrote:
| > I doubt your assertion about circadian rhythm research
|
| You seem oblivious to the decades of research into
| chronobiology and studies into shift work, jet lag, etc.
|
| Your loss.
| xyzzy_plugh wrote:
| I did 36-hour days (awake for 24, asleep for 12) for a long
| time and it was fine. I'm unable to do so now, due to other
| obligations, but I still think it worked better for me than a
| 24-hour day. Even today I inevitably stay up all night, getting
| at most 1-4 hours of sleep, 2-3 times per week.
|
| I don't see anything problematic with TFA's 28-hour days.
| sethammons wrote:
| I have slept 12+ hours less than a dozen times in my 40
| years, and nearly every time was due to being sick. How did
| you manage to sleep so long?
| BenjiWiebe wrote:
| Not who you are asking, but for me if there's no noise or
| activity in the house, I usually just keep on sleeping. 10
| hours would be more common for me but I've done 12 hours
| pretty easily too.
| bcrl wrote:
| I lived on 36 hour days for a good year or so as well. It
| made being social very difficult, and was not the greatest
| thing for me overall, although I did get a lot of code
| written.
|
| A few months ago I finally got a CPAP machine after getting a
| sleep study due to abnormal blood pressure patterns (my blood
| pressure wasn't dropping overnight on a 24 hour monitor). I
| can now wake up feeling alert and ready to go after 6 hours
| of sleep (even though I could use a little bit more); I
| haven't felt rested this way in the morning since more than
| 15 years ago in my 20s. I'm not particularly overweight, nor
| do I snore, so it's worth checking into if your sleep
| patterns tend towards abnormal.
| tgsovlerkhgsel wrote:
| > imagine making every single day a jet-lagged day.
|
| That's exactly what this pattern is trying to avoid. For people
| whose sleep cycle is longer than 24h, a "normal" rhythm makes
| every single day a jet-lagged day, and in the "wrong" direction
| (it's easier to travel west/stay awake longer rather than
| travel east/go to bed earlier for most people).
| levocardia wrote:
| Actually it's pretty in-line with it. Natural circadian rhythm
| is ~25hrs, with some individual variance, and it's easier to
| extend a circadian rhythm than shorten it. Jet lag research
| finds that flying west (lengthening), you can adapt at a rate
| of ~1hr per day. It's not crazy to think that someone might
| naturally be at 26-27hrs, then stretch it an hour each day no
| problem.
| johnclema wrote:
| See a sleep psychologist. This is likely a non-24-hour sleep-wake
| rhythm disorder.
| tyzoid wrote:
| Why should they? If they've got a workable solution and are
| living a happy life, there's no reason to treat it as a
| problem.
| johnclema wrote:
| That is a fair point, though understanding one's sleep
| patterns through professional evaluation can be valuable even
| if one plans to continue one's current schedule. A sleep
| psychologist could provide insights about optimising the
| chosen schedule, identify potential health considerations,
| and offer additional tools and strategies. The goal is to
| have more information to make informed choices about one's
| health.
| whatever1 wrote:
| We don't approve. You are only productive if your butt is on your
| office seat 9-5.
| tiiiij wrote:
| Most of the benefits are things that you could just be more
| intentional about in a 24h cycle. Glad it works for him on 28h
| and I don't think he's endorsing this for others necessarily, but
| my goodness quite a lot of disruption to accomplish what others
| should be able to accomplish in a standard 24h day.
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| I once had the opportunity to do a transatlantic Cruise from west
| to east in which we changed ship time every two days, resulting
| in 24.5 hour days.
|
| They were much more natural to me than a 24 hours day length.
|
| If I ever win the lottery, I just may sail endlessly west to
| east...
| eru wrote:
| You might like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Forties
| S_A_P wrote:
| After reading the article I didn't pick up what any of the
| advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate
| with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that
| could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a
| geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned
| with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for
| what isn't a solid reason. I could see this becoming a source of
| resentment at some point. 2) you have to cut people out of your
| life vs explaining the schedule when they don't understand why. I
| understand that the lectures would likely get tiresome at some
| point, but it seems a bit selfish to switch to this schedule when
| it could become problematic for friends and family members. 3) I
| think cardio and total health should be measured and monitored as
| part of the experiment. It is entirely possible that this
| schedule can have real benefits for health or at the least not
| negatively affect your health. You mention that you are able to
| workout more often and effectively, so it may also be interesting
| to track your fitness level on the schedule vs 24 hr days. It
| would just be anecdotal but it would at least be some data.
|
| I guess the only other things I would want to know is what
| factors pushed most to switching schedules? How long do you plan
| to stay on the schedule? How does your employer handle this
| schedule change? Or are you self employed/running a business?
| What do you think the biggest challenges are during the switch
| aside from being tired at hour 10-11? What does your SO really
| think about this schedule? The more I think about this, the more
| questions I have :)
| fastball wrote:
| I'm not the OP, but I've considered doing this (have personally
| tried tri-phasic sleep in the past as an alternative) so I'm
| assuming the motivation might be the same: I just don't have a
| 24hr circadian rhythm. I'd guess mine is more like 26hr, not
| 28hr, but same idea applies. If I wake up after getting 8 hours
| of sleep, after 16 hours I am just... not sleepy. I can go to
| bed and not use screens and take melatonin and whatever else
| but I'm just not tired. So I end up staying later and getting
| less than 8 hours of sleep. Since many studies seem to show
| that getting a solid amount of sleep is good, my actual
| patterns seem bad. Much better then (maybe) to switch your
| cycle to be however many hours you need to get a solid night
| (~8hr) of sleep and feel tired at the end of the day, like the
| author is doing.
|
| EDIT: just read the original post[1] from the author and indeed
| this is the reason. He maybe explains it better than me so give
| a read.
|
| [1] https://sidhion.com/blog/28h_days/
| Centigonal wrote:
| From the linked post:
|
| > _Some time ago, I found myself with zero obligations to
| follow the usual daily routine: wake up in the morning and go
| to sleep at night (the "normal people schedule"). During my
| time awake, I was either working on side-projects or playing
| with my hobbies, and I'd go to sleep whenever I felt sleepy,
| wake up naturally (no alarms), and repeat. This led me to
| observe that without sticking to a daily routine, my sleep
| schedule would drift every day compared to the previous one.
| I also noticed that on most days I'd sleep a bit longer than
| 8h, sometimes 9h or even 10h._
|
| > _An example of the sleep schedule drift: if on day X I went
| to sleep at 10:00 and woke up at 18:00, on day X+1 I'd go to
| bed at a time later than 10:00, and wake up later than 18:00.
| I almost never went to sleep at the same time on two
| consecutive days._
|
| > _I realised that this was happening because it took me
| longer to feel tired than the "normal people schedule"
| assumed. If I followed it, sleeping would tend towards
| napping until the tiredness built up, at which point I'd need
| to sleep more. In fact, for most of my adult life (especially
| when I had a full-time job), I'd always have to force myself
| to go to bed during weekdays, and naturally this drift would
| occur, and then I'd "reset" during the weekend (often 10h+ of
| sleep), thus going back to forcing myself to sleep on
| weekdays to stick to the routine._
| spoaceman7777 wrote:
| The greatest benefit is that you can stay up until you're
| absolutely dog-tired every day, and not have to worry about all
| the rituals of "sleep hygiene", like limiting screen time,
| dimming lights, no coffee, etc.
|
| On a >24 hour sleep schedule, you _will_ be tired when it's
| time to sleep. Guaranteed. Not only that, you can sleep longer
| and will always feel well-rested.
|
| Meeting people all around the world, when they're collectively
| hanging out online, is also fantastic. Social platforms that
| involve more one-on-one contact, like X, Group chats, and
| similar, have completely different things going on at different
| hours. You start to make even more friends spread out across
| the world, and prevent getting stuck into ruts.
|
| There's also the benefit that conversations and the environment
| online is always fresh. You're always cycling into new time
| blocks that you haven't been active in for a few days.
|
| And, not just online. There's something to be said about
| experiencing (while fully awake) all of the different times of
| day where you live. You get to see sunrises and sunsets. Busy
| morning chatter of cars, and the world buzzing to life. The
| beyond-wee hours of the morning, when the city is so quiet you
| can hear a pin drop.
|
| Really though, the main benefit is the first one in this
| comment. You can live your life to the maximum extent, without
| scheduling in the extra time to manage getting to sleep, and
| feeling tired when you don't.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| You're making some assumptions here that I don't think hold.
|
| OP is likely able to do this because they have a longer
| circadian cycle (though I think it's still less than 28
| hours)
|
| A person who might naturally have a 24.4 hour cycle without
| external stimuli (which is the average sleep researchers
| found) will likely have problems trying to adjust to a 26
| hour cycle or longer, because even if they push themselves to
| stay up beyond the beginning of the sleep phase of their
| cycle on a regular basis, there is a good chance they'll wake
| up closer to the end of their sleep phase, and therefore
| might not get enough sleep.
|
| It's better to follow a sleep cycle tailored to your own
| circadian rhythm, which for most people conveniently aligns
| pretty well with the natural day.
|
| I say this as someone with non-24 who often does free-running
| sleep (where I've found my own cycle to be a little over 26
| hours in winters, and closer to 24 hours in the summer)
| bix6 wrote:
| How do you figure out your cycle time?
| iambateman wrote:
| This isnt scientific but I've found that I "feel like"
| going to bed about 24.5 hours after I went to bed the day
| before.
|
| Without external stimuli, it's very hard to avoid
| drifting into staying up very late at night for me.
| binary132 wrote:
| This sounds suspiciously like "I tend to stay up later
| and later every night unless I force myself to go to bed
| on time" -- which I suspect is pretty common, it
| certainly is for me. I'll start staying up till 3, 4, 5,
| or later if I'm not on a schedule. Having kids helps.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| It is suspiciously similar because they are the same
| exact thing. The whole premise is how many hours is a
| comfortable wake-sleep cycle.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| I don't think so actually. If you can "make yourself" go
| to bed at a "normal time" then you don't have non-24.
|
| People with non-24 usually have a longer than 24-hour
| cycle and _can 't_ "make themselves" go to sleep
| consistently at the same time (people with 24.5 or
| 25-hour days probably have some success with this though
| because if they stay up a bit later one day and still
| wake up at the same time, then by the time a proper
| bedtime rolls around they'll be _close enough_ to their
| the sleep phase of their cycle, and tired enough to fall
| asleep at that time)
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| I'm skeptical. Chronic sleep deprivation does a pretty
| good job of helping people go to sleep at the same time
| each day.
|
| Either way, it seems like a arbitrary distinction to
| make. If Bob is happier and more productive on a 26 hour
| schedule, but can unhappily live on a 24 hour schedule,
| why doest that count?
|
| It seems the relevant Factor is what their natural
| schedule actually is, given the circumstances etc
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| Why would anyone be happier on a 26-hour schedule if they
| can get an adequate amount of sleep and go to sleep close
| to the same time on 24-hour schedule?
|
| I can see it going the other way, where if your natural
| rhythm is 22 hours you can likely force yourself to stay
| awake to align with 24 (and likely would be much happier
| than free-running on a 22-hour clock).
|
| Speaking from personal experience, if I could
| consistently stick to a 24-hour schedule, I would. And I
| think most people with non-24 have the same position (and
| have likely tried many things before giving up, as
| tossing and turning for hours every night and then still
| not sleeping enough is pretty unpleasant).
|
| Additionally, if Bob's rhythm is 26 hours then his sleep
| cycle is shifting ahead by 2 hours every night regardless
| of when he falls asleep. If he is able to fall asleep at
| the same time every night, his sleep cycle presumably
| isn't shifting, and even if 26 hours might be more
| natural for him, he's able to sync his cycle to 24 hours
| regardless.
|
| So I don't think this would qualify them for non-24, as
| the circadian rhythm isn't shifting every day.
|
| On the other hand, if Bob chooses to sleep 26 hours for
| whatever reason, perhaps he could be said to have it
| then? It's just inconceivable to me that someone would
| actually choose that given the option.
|
| It's worth noting that the average human circadian rhythm
| is closer to 24.5 hours when external stimuli are
| removed. So it doesn't strike me as too different from
| Bob; people are nevertheless regulated to 24 hours by
| daylight and not said to be non-24, even if, like Bob,
| their natural state might be to sleep more.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| My point is that a lot of these people are just sleep
| deprived.
|
| Bob might go to sleep the same time, but maybe he gets 4
| hours of sleep a night and operates on a deficit all day.
|
| It's repeatable on a 24-hour cycle but miserable
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| Gotcha, that wasn't clear in your earlier comment.
|
| If someone is unable to get adequate sleep on a 24-hour
| day due to their circadian rhythm misalignment then I
| believe this is non-24 even if it's because they wake up
| too early rather then go to sleep too late when trying to
| keep 24-hour days.
| euroderf wrote:
| Yup, a kid is a driver for regularity in sleep cycles.
| Freak_NL wrote:
| This makes me wonder about the point he briefly touches
| at, but otherwise leaves out: his partner. Are there no
| children planned at all? Have they already raised kids
| and are done with this? Is he planning to break up with
| her?
|
| You can't do this and raise a child1 without being, well,
| an asshole. He would force the mother to do all the fixed
| daily things, and the child to navigate your availability
| using your private clock.
|
| 1: After they've settled into a stable daily sleeping
| rhythm of course. For a baby this system might even be
| useful some nights (but not others).
| binary132 wrote:
| perhaps Junior will follow in Father's footsteps. :)
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| If you are able to make relatively few commitments for a
| month, go to sleep when you feel tired. Sleep as much as
| feels good. Track it in a spreadsheet.
|
| Some people with non-24 have _very_ regular sleep /wake
| cycles. I'm not as fortunate, but in the winter will tend
| towards 24-29 hour days, with an average just over 27
| (perhaps this winter has even been a little under 27 as
| I've been more physically active)
|
| In the summer it's close enough to 24 hours that I can
| stick to a 24-hour schedule most of the time.
| bix6 wrote:
| Interesting I'll have to track it a bit. I've always
| adjusted a bit in winter but never thought to measure /
| optimize it.
| lloeki wrote:
| > How
|
| You need a significant period of time without any time-
| bound obligation (or even any obligation at all). Any
| need for an alarm or anything that you'd possibly
| materialise in a calendar needs to be removed.
|
| You need a room which is pitch black at night (e.g blocks
| street lights, no leds), yet still allows a tiny bit of
| sunlight (rationale: without cues the circadian cycle
| extends up to 48h, there was an experiment about that)
|
| Then, once you have that, start freewheeling, just when
| you feel tired go rest and when you wake up get up. It'll
| be a mess at first, for two reasons.
|
| First you may be unable to properly recognise the "I need
| to take some rest" signal: we're trained by life to
| largely ignore it.
|
| Second, you need to pay off any debt, sleep, physical,
| mind, that would play a role in altering your base cycle.
| Have fun, work out, meditate, go see a therapist even. In
| a nutshell, find your balance.
|
| Once you have recovered from everything, once all biasing
| sources have been removed, then sleep will converge to
| some rhythm, which carries some error margin, so you can
| only observe it statistically over time. There's your
| baseline.
|
| It could take months, which more often than not isn't
| practical to have, so from the above ideal scenario one
| could devise a protocol that would try to stick as close
| as possible to it.
|
| Source: first principles+anecdata, sample size of 1,
| double-non-blind protocol; a.k.a myself digging out of a
| hole.
|
| Protocol: 3 week sick leave for burnout x anxiety
| depression, coincidental breakup (so no SO), went from
| office to remote working, workout plan, 6 month therapy,
| statistically reliable sleep/health/performance tracking
| via watch allowing for outlier
| identification/retrospective deviation root cause
| analysis.
|
| Result: 0130-0930~30min sleep, 7h45min~5min sleep
| duration made of two ~4h-ish blocks, 25h~30min cycle.
| When bound to 24h rhythm, occasional sleepless night
| leading to 48h day and three aforementioned blocks of
| sleep (~11h-ish total).
|
| From the data it became painfully obvious that I
| experience delayed sleep phase disorder, took me 6 months
| to figure the baseline out, and 6 more to confirm, which
| is quite hard when you don't even know that it is a
| thing.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| > rationale: without cues the circadian cycle extends up
| to 48h, there was an experiment about that
|
| Do you have a link to this experiment? I haven't seen
| this mentioned anywhere. Studies referenced in the non-24
| wikipedia page suggest natural circadian rhythms
| typically range from 24-25.5 hours for people not getting
| external cues.
| pskfyi wrote:
| Do you have any recommended books or links on this topic?
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| I haven't read any books on the topic and don't recall
| any specific articles though I'm sure I've read many.
|
| There are some good references in the wikipedia page (htt
| ps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake
| ...), and I've been following https://reddit.com/r/N24
| for a while also.
| photonthug wrote:
| I'd never suggest that people shouldn't read books or
| consult experts but.. sleep is probably like diets in
| that you can read whatever advice you're looking to find
| _somewhere_.
|
| Even after we accept that a dichotomy like typical vs
| atypical (or night owl vs morning lark; omnivore vs
| vegetarian) is way too simple.. the more we look the more
| we keep finding new "types" (like all the flavors of
| non-24; vegans, paleo, etc). So even reading stuff that's
| trying to be rigorous may ultimately just tell you about
| fads and fashions that might be working for others.
| Natural variation in people seems to outpace or defy our
| ability to categorize stuff. To me this hints that
| there's really no substitute for experimenting and
| listening to your body.
|
| The hard part is just that this does require some time
| and space in your life to accomplish, because if you're
| going back to basics about stuff like food or sleep then
| inevitably it's going to be disruptive until you figure
| out what works best.
| euroderf wrote:
| Data point: I found mine to be between 25 and 26 hours.
|
| Probably a contributing factor to difficulty in getting to
| sleep "at a good hour".
|
| OTOH mild sleep deprivation has been shown to counter
| depression, so there's that.
| zemvpferreira wrote:
| Likewise but I've found small melatonin doses (plus
| reducing caffeine to once per day) to really help me
| conform to a 24 hour day. Worth trying if you haven't.
| euroderf wrote:
| I tried melatonin. It gave me nightmares. Weird, but it
| was repeatable. So, my 0,02EUR.
| bemmu wrote:
| This happens if I take too much melatonin. The dosage in
| US-sold melatonin is unnecessarily high. Finnish tablets
| are typically 1.9mg, while US ones can have 10mg in just
| one.
| opan wrote:
| Luckily some people warned about this a lot online (not
| to take too much, most pills are too much) and I was able
| to find 1mg tablets on Amazon when I wanted some.
| sensanaty wrote:
| Anecdotally, me too. If not nightmares, very bizzare
| dreams that leave me feeling a bit weird for the day and
| I don't really feel nearly as rested as regular sleep,
| even if I sleep for longer.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > On a >24 hour sleep schedule, you _will_ be tired when it's
| time to sleep. Guaranteed. Not only that, you can sleep
| longer and will always feel well-rested.
|
| Definitely not guaranteed at all. Many people's circadian
| rhythms are intensely driven by daylight cycles. Trying to
| sleep and wake out of sync with those cycles will be very
| difficult.
|
| In the past I had to do some work overnight which resulted in
| some very long days. I would have to be very careful to avoid
| seeing the sunrise because doing so would make it very hard
| to sleep even if I'd been up for a long time.
|
| > Really though, the main benefit is the first one in this
| comment. You can live your life to the maximum extent
|
| If your life involves a lot of solitary, indoor activities
| then maybe.
|
| For the rest of us who like to socialize and do outdoor
| daytime activities, having your sleep schedule cut through
| daylight hours would be a big step backward.
|
| I think people greatly overestimate the benefits of
| alternative sleep cycles (unless you have a naturally
| extended circadian cycle that can't be otherwise managed)
| WD-42 wrote:
| After reading the article it kinda sounds like he just takes
| a lot more naps. Feels like cheating.
| hinkley wrote:
| I've never seen one of these alternative sleep cycle people
| put forward a sensible cognitive study to go along with it.
| Like the people who sleep 5 hours a day but all spread out.
|
| The thing with taking a similar test every day is that you
| should get better at it. So if the test you are abusing
| shows that your cognitive function is holding steady day by
| day, week by week, that is likely not a very good sign. It
| just means you aren't unraveling at an alarming rate.
| Better to be evaluated by professionals at the beginning
| and end, and maybe for some people who already know you to
| chime in on how unhinged you have or have not become.
| nefrix wrote:
| He said he would take an hour nap when tired , which means
| he will have another 6 hours sleep per week, which adds him
| another full night of sleep every week.
| gopalv wrote:
| > You can live your life to the maximum extent, without
| scheduling in the extra time to manage getting to sleep, and
| feeling tired when you don't.
|
| I did this for a year when I was caring for my dad and
| working at the same time, but remember that this process
| makes you almost completely alone because your breaks do not
| line up with the world around you.
|
| I would wake up at 7 AM on a monday, to attend the weekly
| planning meetings & keep slipping by about 1 hour every day
| of the week, so by Thu I am waking up after noon & I tended
| to just work through the night on Fri to sleep near dawn on
| Saturday.
|
| The problem was that Fri nights and weekends are when people
| are mostly ready to socialize or relax, I would literally
| sleep through the day on Saturday and wake up close to 4 AM
| on Sunday.
|
| Then go to sleep around 7 PM on Sunday, because I woke up so
| early and then monday I wake up with 12hours of sleep.
|
| Lost weight from skipping meals by sleeping.
|
| This felt completely awesome from a personal standpoint &
| also from the friends I had on IRC, but from an IRL
| standpoint it was very odd.
|
| I definitely looked like a shut-in, even I grew my hair out
| simply because I did not have the time to go get it cut
| during business hours.
|
| Then my dad died, which ended that chapter in an unexpected
| way.
|
| I remembered those days when I had my first kid, the
| experience was shockingly similar when it comes to perturbed
| sleep schedules.
| r0ze-at-hn wrote:
| Biologically I have low melatonin and low cortisol. This means
| I have trouble falling asleep and then I have trouble waking
| up.
|
| Countless times in my life I have lived 26-28 hour cycles and
| otherwise I am in a never ending struggle to live a 24 hour
| cycle. Once I hit retirement I will definitely try this 28 hour
| cycle and might even switch to it permanently.
|
| Yeah there are obvious downsides having to do with SO, friends,
| etc. Having a husband with this same biological quirk would be
| ideal, but again once I no longer have to go into the office it
| will be really hard not to fall into a > 24 hour pattern.
| bigiain wrote:
| > After reading the article I didn't pick up what any of the
| advantages are of 28hr days
|
| Showing my age here but...
|
| I and some of my friends/classmates used to do the 6day 28hr
| cycle, to ensure we had access to the computer lab where
| "normal people" were asleep during the week, but were still
| mostly "in phase" with everybody else on weekends for
| socialising.
|
| For those of you who don't understand the term "computer lab",
| those were the days where my Comp Sci class involved
| writing/running Pascal code on a shared VAX-11/780 which (from
| memory here) shared 64MB of memory across all users of the 100
| or so terminals attached to it. During the day, especially
| close to assignment deadlines, there were often long wait times
| to get one of the terminals. If you were there (and awake) at
| 10pm or 4am, there was usually only a handful of other people
| using it, with no waiting queues and with noticeably faster
| performance.
|
| (When I started 2nd year, the first year class behind me still
| learned Pascal, but got to use the new Macintosh lab. That
| kinda made the 28hr phase shifting unnecessary, but a bunch of
| us persisted anyway. By 3rd year, the VAX was under-utilised
| enough that they added a bunch of modems, and I could connect
| from home via a 1200/75 baud modem from the Osbourne1 Z80/CPM
| machine I had at home.)
| aaarrm wrote:
| He literally points out multiple upsides throughout the entire
| very short blog post.
| mmahemoff wrote:
| It doesn't have to mean cutting people out of your life, but
| you'd have to be more organised in scheduling events. You'd
| also be unable to regularly attend recurring meetups.
|
| I knew of a sysadmin who followed this schedule so he could
| monitor the system at different times of day. There's probably
| the same upside for people who manage certain 24-7 operations
| (though the downsides outweigh them in most cases).
| jandrewrogers wrote:
| Decades ago I did a free-running sleep schedule for a few
| months while working a fairly intensive software project that
| required almost no interaction with others. I didn't have a
| schedule, I just slept when I felt like it, and did resistance
| training throughout the day when I felt like it (I had a bunch
| of gym equipment in the same room as computers). Empirically,
| this turned into 26 hour days, so my hours came into phase with
| "normal" hours roughly every two weeks. It was a pretty
| comfortable lifestyle, felt pretty healthy, and I put on some
| muscle.
|
| The main challenges were two-fold. First, there is a
| significant part of the time where it doesn't line up with
| store and restaurant hours that well, which is inconvenient.
| Second, there are few days every couple weeks where your
| schedule is completely out-of-phase with normal people which
| makes socializing nigh impossible on those days e.g. waking up
| at 8pm and going to bed at 2pm. However, since those days were
| predictable, I'd simply not schedule anything on those days.
|
| I don't think this really works for a global business though.
| Many people around the world are really fussy about rigid
| schedules, and you will only overlap those a third of the time.
|
| All that said, I think for >24 hour days to be practical, it
| would be best in a synthetic environment where everyone is on
| the same clock with limited access to natural sunlight. I could
| totally imagine it being viable for something like a submarine.
| m463 wrote:
| I'll bet a lot of people did that experiment at the beginning
| of covid.
| econ wrote:
| I did a similar experiment for 14 days when I was 13-14ish,
| it balanced out to 20-30 minutes wake and a 5 to 10 min nap.
|
| It was pretty wild. I coded (machine code) in bed until my
| head got heavy then I would nap and wake up shortly after
| with the task noticably organized in my head. It felt
| perfectly natural to sleep on it as well as to wake up when
| the data was parsed. I kinda lived in the twilight zone.
|
| Fun details: the room was perfectly dark. The tv was set to
| be so dark that I had to wait for my eyes to adjust to see
| the code. Nothing else was visible. The bed was tilted about
| a foot. The computer had no mouse pointer.
| throwawayk7h wrote:
| Overall more hours awake. 7x8 < 6x9
| Freak_NL wrote:
| > 7x8 < 6x9
|
| Not usually, no. Typo?
| cko wrote:
| His statement is still correct, even though he inverted the
| sign.
|
| Fewer hours asleep means 2 more hours awake.
| throwawayk7h wrote:
| whoops!
| somethingsome wrote:
| I don't follow such a program, but I sleep when needed, so if
| I'm sleepy, I go to sleep, and I wake up at wathever hour, no
| alarms. This means that sometimes I have long sleep nights,
| other times I only have naps, most of the time it is a mix
| between both. Lately I go to sleep around 3-6 in the morning,
| wake up around 8-11 and sometimes have naps during the day.
| (same principle for eating)
|
| I do this at least from 10 years without bad effects, the
| positive effects are that I'm more awake and feel fresh longer,
| in control of my mental power.
|
| It is quite easy to do it while having normal life obligations,
| I can wake up sooner if something needs to be done, and then,
| after the task, I can continue to do my day until sleepy, at
| which point I can sleep again. So, if I have many meeting on a
| day, I can stay up all day without issues, maybe I'll sleep
| more in the evening or following day.
|
| I think the quantity of sleep I require depends on the tasks
| I'm doing. If some task is particularly mentally exhausting
| I'll automatically do more naps during the day, this in turn
| makes me more efficient at solving difficult problems.
|
| It is extremely comfortable to solve hard problems in this way,
| when you work too long on it, you get sleepy, and as you wake
| up, you are again fully focused and with fresh perspectives.
| MrsPeaches wrote:
| All in the original post: https://sidhion.com/blog/28h_days/
|
| This was just the 1 year update.
|
| Idea is that you go to be when you feel tired.
| daft_pink wrote:
| Is there a link to the initial post where you explain the whole
| thing? I'm curious now.
| fastball wrote:
| Yes, it is linked[1] in the first sentence of the article.
|
| [1] https://sidhion.com/blog/28h_days/
| daft_pink wrote:
| Thanks somehow I missed that!
| dinkumthinkum wrote:
| Honestly, this reads like some kind of mercurial character in a
| sci-fi novel.
| timerol wrote:
| It makes me happy that OP posted
| https://sidhion.com/blog/28h_days/ in October of 2023, and
| somehow lasted 4 months before learning about
| https://xkcd.com/320/. It's interesting that OP decided to try to
| align to a daytime schedule on the weekend, instead of during the
| workweek as in the comic.
| 4fterd4rk wrote:
| "Leave it to a white man to cut a foot off the end of a blanket
| and sew it on the top of the blanket and think it makes the
| blanket longer."
| WillAdams wrote:
| I maintained such a schedule for over a year when I was in the
| Air Force --- the schedule was 9 days on, 3 swings, followed by 3
| mids, followed by 3 day shifts, then 3 days off --- extending
| one's sleep cycle to a longer "day" allowed one to make things
| fit together w/o too much disruption.
|
| That said, avoiding having to do that again was a big motivation
| in getting out.
| santoshalper wrote:
| This may be the most Hacker News thing I've heard since Soylent.
| henry2023 wrote:
| This is objectively worse than Soylent.
| 404mm wrote:
| I find it amusing how the OP has the need to label meals within
| the day and gripes about how they don't match when talking to
| others on a regular 24-hour schedule. They are just meals. You're
| hungry, so you eat. It's a meal.
|
| Only one note: OP sounds like a younger person, probably in their
| 20s. My body was able to take some serious abuse when it came to
| sleep schedule back then. I had a job that kept alternating
| between 2-3 day shifts, then 2-3 night shifts, then 2-3 days off.
| Sometimes I'd not go to sleep for 24+ hours.
|
| I'm twice the age now, and I'm still paying for it. My sleep is
| not great. I have to be very responsible with sticking to my
| schedule, and waking up anytime after 3 a.m. results in an
| inability to fall asleep and a day-long headache.
| gorbachev wrote:
| My experience is very similar.
|
| When I was young, I could stay up for 26 - 30 hours regularly
| without any issues, even on multiple consecutive days. I would
| be fine no matter how I slept.
|
| No more. If my sleep schedule gets disrupted in any way, too
| short or too long, my body will immediately go into "things are
| not right" mode.
| yard2010 wrote:
| Reminds me of my trip to south america, in which I had no meal
| plans, just munchies plans
| Aurornis wrote:
| I've been fascinated with alternative sleep schedules since I was
| very young. My initial interest turned to a fascination when I
| realized the only positive long-term reports were usually from
| people trying to sell something: Their book, a sleep plan, or
| just using their sleep cycle as a social hook to impress others
| (influencers, basically). All of the forum reports started out
| optimistic and then ended in disappointment with basically nobody
| enjoying them after a long time.
|
| One of the common themes was that people would think their lives
| were better at first. A sort of placebo effect. They'd push
| through the adaptation phase, which was miserable, and when they
| adapted they felt slightly better. Often this improvement
| (relative to the miserable adaptation period) was mistake for an
| absolute improvement because it had been so long since they had a
| normal sleep schedule.
|
| What was really interesting was that most people reported some
| variation of the same thing: They didn't realize how much they
| disliked the alternative sleep schedule until after they stopped
| it. Some people stuck with it for a long time until life forced
| them to change (job, marriage, etc). It wasn't until they went
| back to normal that they realized how much better it was to just
| not fight the sunlight and night time that drives us.
|
| It would be interesting to see how this person feels at some
| point in the future if they go back to a normal sleep schedule.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| Please familiarize yourself with the community of
| https://www.reddit.com/r/N24
|
| No one is selling anything. There are many of us who benefit
| remarkably from what you're calling an "alternative sleep
| schedule" (I'm not specifically talking about 28-hour day
| entrainment like the blog author, but whatever works for each
| individual based on their own idiosyncratic circadian rhythm)
|
| Many of us have periods where we have to go back to 24-hour
| schedules due to external factors, and sleep quality and
| duration suffer as a result. For myself, in the winter when my
| schedule is a little >27 hours, when I enforced waking up at 8
| AM Monday-Friday for a 9-5, my schedule might go something like
| this:
|
| > Sunday night: Sleep 7-8 hours starting at midnight.
|
| > Monday night: Sleep 5 hours starting ~3 AM Tuesday.
|
| > Tuesday night: Sleep 2-3 hours starting at ~5 AM Wednesday.
| Sometimes with exhaustion I may then be able to fall asleep at
| 5-6 PM (Wednesday) but often would stay up til closer to
| midnight-2AM. Regardless, when I fall asleep I likely will wake
| up in 1 or 2 hours and be unable to go back to sleep, as my
| body doesn't believe it's in the sleep phase.
|
| > "Wednesday night?": There isn't really a Wednesday night
| except on the occasion where I managed to sleep more than 2
| hours. Sometimes I'm up all night with no nap; more than half
| the time I can't sleep more than 3 hours. Occasionally I'm
| actually able to stay asleep during what my body thinks is a
| nap to pay off sleep debt.
|
| > "Thursday night?": Exhausted from having slept no more than 9
| hours in the last 48 hours, and usually closer to 3-4 hours,
| I'll collapse around 5-7 PM from exhaustion and sleep until
| midnight-5AM.
|
| > "Friday night?": Often I'm ready for sleep by 5-8 PM and will
| sleep 8-9 hours. But I'll also occasionally try to sleep less
| and push myself to go out at 9-10 PM if there's an event
| happening. After being more active and if I slept less than 4
| hours I can usually pick up another 1-3.5 hours of sleep after
| 4 or 5 AM.
|
| > Saturday night: If I got a full night's sleep, or went out
| Friday but slept a little bit after, I may be more energized,
| so this is the more consistent day for weekend plans. If sleep
| was poor I'll try to sleep an hour or two early in the evening
| before going out and then sleep 3 AM to 9 AM or so. If I didn't
| have Saturday plans I may go to sleep at 8 PM and sleep til 5
| AM.
|
| > Sunday night: Usually fall asleep somewhere around midnight
| but who knows? I could be up til 3 AM depending on how the
| weekend went.
|
| All told I would probably get an average of ~5.5 to 6 hour of
| sleep per 24-hour day, but with significant periods running on
| very little sleep.
|
| Now that I work from home and have few meetings, my schedule
| may look more like the following:
|
| > Sunday night: Sleep from midnight to 7 or 8 AM
|
| > Monday night: Sleep from 3 AM (Tuesday) to 10 AM (in time for
| my 10 AM Tuesday meeting).
|
| > "...": Sleep Wednesday from 6 AM to 1 or 2 PM (Wednesday)
|
| > "...": Sleep Thursday from 9 AM to 4 or 5 PM. Stay awake for
| my 10 AM meeting Friday.
|
| > "...": Friday I have a meeting from 10-11, then often
| coordinate with coworkers til noon, but as late as 2 PM (rarely
| later). So I sleep after and wake up any time friday from 7 PM
| to 9 PM, go out feeling relatively well-rested.
|
| > "...": Saturday if I have plans I take a nap then go out and
| fall asleep around 3 AM until 10 AM.
|
| Sunday I probably won't be able to sleep at midnight. Tuesday
| my 10 AM meeting this week will probably interrupt my sleep
| phase, but I can usually go right back to sleep after.
|
| All in all on this schedule I get longer periods of
| uninterrupted sleep, get an average closer to 6.5 hours of
| sleep per 24-hour period, and never have periods of 48 hours
| where I only sleep 2 hours, so my overall energy and focus over
| the week is much better.
| niz4ts wrote:
| (I'm the post author)
|
| For the few weeks that I'm required to go back to a "normal"
| sleep schedule, I long every day to go back to my 28h schedule.
|
| I might at some point in the future try moving back to 24h for
| a longer period of time, but I'm planning to stick to the 28h
| schedule for at least a couple more years before I do this, and
| I'll keep doing the yearly updates to document things.
| grishka wrote:
| Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even _mean_?! I don 't
| have a 24-hour sleeping schedule naturally. I can force myself
| into it, but I'll feel miserable because I have to fight my own
| body to not "fight the sunlight". Some people start naturally
| getting drowsy in the evening every day, yes, sure. Good for
| them. I'm not one of those people.
|
| So I'm very much with the author here and I might actually try
| 28-hour days because what I have for the last 10 years is a
| mess.
| ericyd wrote:
| I think they mean that light exposure has been causally
| linked to wakefulness, which I'm sure is a statistical thing
| and not an absolute thing, meaning your experience is still
| valid even though it's different. Your indignation made me
| chuckle though, I appreciate the tone.
| dahart wrote:
| > Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean?!
|
| Are you not getting much sunlight? I can understand the
| reaction to being told something that doesn't match your
| experience. But. The link between sunlight and sleep for most
| life on earth is pretty well established science, and has a
| name: Circadian Rhythm.
|
| Have you ever tried camping for a week? My sleep tends to
| drift when I'm working indoors a lot, up late at night a lot,
| during winter, etc. But if I spend multiple days outside, it
| starts to align with sunrise almost immediately.
|
| Both of these links say that Circadian Rhythms tend to drift
| and be longer than a day on average in the absence of
| sunlight.
|
| https://www.sleepfoundation.org/circadian-rhythm
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm
| grishka wrote:
| I'm not getting much sunlight. Especially now. But I was
| getting plenty when I lived in Dubai for several months.
| Didn't change anything much, my sleeping schedule was still
| slipping. So no, your theory is wrong.
|
| Non-24-hour sleep/wake disorder is not something one can
| fix like this. I would if I could. I've had this problem
| since my late teens.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wak
| e...
| dahart wrote:
| Fair enough, but it's called a disorder for a reason.
| It's still reasonable for people to talk about the known
| link between sun and sleep by default, and not assume
| something's wrong with you, right? It sounds like you
| were already aware what it meant before asking?
| memhole wrote:
| Really interesting! I was interested in polyphasic sleep for a
| moment.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep
|
| I never actually tried it from what I remember. Cool to read
| someone's experience with it.
| efitz wrote:
| I once changed my schedule for a month to sleeping 4 hours,
| waking for 4, sleeping 4, and then waking for 12. I would work in
| the day, come home, sleep 4, wake 4, and then sleep 4 more, then
| off to work again. On weekends I switched to a normal 16/8
| schedule.
|
| I got plenty of rest and got all my domestic stuff done overnight
| - 24h grocery store, laundromat, etc. I was never unusually
| tired.
|
| The down side is that it mostly killed my social life. So I quit;
| the advantages didn't outweigh the disadvantage of being on a
| different schedule than everyone else.
|
| Also this was in the late 80s/early 90s before cell phones and
| the internet.
| beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
| My brother had a friend try this in university while studying
| for exams and, according to my brother, it basically made the
| guy lose his mind. Seems like a roll of the dice on whether it
| works for people or not.
| batiudrami wrote:
| This seems like the biggest disadvantage to me too. I see
| friends four or five nights a week so I would have to give a
| lot of that up.
|
| Which is a shame because longer days would probably
| significantly improve my sleep.
| bigiain wrote:
| > I once changed my schedule for a month to sleeping 4 hours,
| waking for 4, sleeping 4, and then waking for 12.
|
| That's pretty common for crew on yachts. I'd do that when
| racing or cruising ocean going sailboats. The crew gets split
| into 3rds, and everybody gets to do a 4 hour night watch. (For
| racing for me, that'd usually be only for a few days or a week
| tops. I twice spent ~6weeks on that schedule cruising the Great
| Barrier Reef.)
| aomurphy wrote:
| There's a very active historical debate about whether a
| schedule like this, often called "biphasic sleep", was more
| common in pre-industrial societies. There's a historian called
| Roger Ekirch who thinks it was, starting in his 2004 book "At
| Day's Close - Night in Times Past". There's a bunch of
| criticism of it, since the sources are a bit ambiguous, or if
| he's generalizing from Medieval England (his main focus).
| uint8_t wrote:
| See also these internet-historical gems from everything2:
|
| Uberman's sleep schedule - every 4 hours, sleep 20 minutes.
|
| https://everything2.com/title/Uberman%2527s+Sleep+Schedule
|
| Everyman sleep schedule - per above, with an additional 3-hour
| nap each 24 hours.
|
| https://everything2.com/title/Everyman+Sleep+Schedule
|
| Of course, the surest way to experiment with an alternative sleep
| schedule is to simply take care of a newborn, something humans
| have gotten pretty good at over the millennia.
| collinmcnulty wrote:
| Yep, I remember reading about these as a youth and thinking,
| wow what a random bit of biology. Then I had a kid and was
| like, oh, I see why this is in there.
| zblevins wrote:
| My wife would file for a divorce. This reminds me a bit of when I
| tried polyphasic sleeping about 20 years ago which was an
| absolute disaster.
| jeremyjh wrote:
| I assumed this is satire and ... its not?
|
| Yet lines like this just seem really tongue-in-cheek:
|
| > In fact, I avoid talking about the schedule at all with others.
|
| > The internal benefits more than make up for the slightly
| trickier external interactions.
|
| > I don't keep track of this in any scientific way, only mental
| notes that I make along the way
|
| > There might be some longer-term changes, mostly associated with
| my health, but if these exist, they'll likely start showing up in
| the next few years. We'll see what the future holds.
| OsrsNeedsf2P wrote:
| For about 3 years, I did 12 hour days (4 hour sleep sessions) and
| inverted days (go to sleep at 7am, wake up at 3pm). The benefits
| outlined in the article were definitely there - Life felt less
| busy, and I had a new perspective on everything - But I got sick
| often, and doing a hard reversal to accommodate visiting family
| or friends on weekends was brutal (I fell asleep multiple times
| at houses when I was supposed to be "hanging out").
|
| Overall - I don't regret it, and if you're someone who likes to
| try different life experiences, give it a shot! But I'm not going
| back anytime soon :)
| ArlenBales wrote:
| I hiked the PCT last year over 85 days and slept on average 5-6
| hours a night (except days off) and hiked 30+ miles a day over
| 16+ hours a day. It's weird the things your body can do if you
| push yourself beyond the expected norms.
| edoardo-schnell wrote:
| Isn't this basically a curious way to stay away from people a bit
| more?
| fuzzfactor wrote:
| One person's anti-social responsibilities are another person's
| way of getting a lot done without as many people bugging them
| ;)
| Glyptodon wrote:
| I seem to be stuck in a loop of sleeping 9h and sleeping 6h
| (which I hate) because I reliably wake up at about the same time,
| but can't reliably fall asleep exactly 7.5h before it (I guess).
| Does that suggest my circadian rhythm is just out of whack w/
| 24h?
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| That depends on whether you're falling asleep around the same
| time (+-1.5 hrs) every night or not.
|
| If you are, then you're likely adjusted to the 24 natural cycle
| and something else is going on. The closest thing I'm aware of
| is
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregular_sleep%E2%80%93wake_r...
| JeremyBarbosa wrote:
| Interesting that there is some research (though only n=11!) on
| 28h days:
|
| Neurobehavioral Performance in Young Adults Living on a 28-h Day
| for 6 Weeks
|
| https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2706904/
| janderson215 wrote:
| An n of almost 40,000,000 seems pretty substantial to me.
| grishka wrote:
| Interesting. I have a similar problem that I haven't had any
| obligations to follow the "normal people schedule" ever since I
| graduated the university (and even then, I got like 4 hours of
| sleep and slept on the subway on my way there and felt like a
| zombie for a few hours in the morning anyway). I'm constantly out
| of sync with the rest of the society and this sometimes gets
| rather frustrating, but I can't seem to do much about it. I can
| _try_ to strong-arm myself into it but that only works for so
| long, my schedule still slips eventually. The longest I was able
| to maintain a "normal person schedule" was around 2 months. Not
| sure at this point whether this is a blessing or a curse.
|
| So, I might actually try this.
| neilv wrote:
| > _Those 2 months were hard, [...] but also with the SO
| complaining that I wasn't available to reply to messages
| sometimes (because I was sleeping when she was awake), which was
| no encouragement to keep going._
|
| I hope it's not too personal to ask, but I'm wondering how that
| is working out with the SO.
|
| My own experience thus far, as someone whose body by default
| seems to want to do 25-26 hour days (and can do much longer when
| I choose), is that an SO is one reason to force myself to stay on
| a 24-hour cycle.
|
| If you're both doing grad school, hospital shifts, startups,
| trying to make partner, traveling a lot for work, etc., then
| having your schedules not always overlap might come with the
| territory, and you both can adapt. But if they find they're often
| wanting to spend meaningful time with you after their work, and
| you're sleeping during normal-person waking hours, they might be
| wondering whether this is the right long-term relationship.
| hattmall wrote:
| I've found that biphasic sleep seems to fill a similar role for
| me. When I'm able I don't set alarms or make any preparations
| toward going to bed. I just sleep when I'm tired and wake up
| naturally. That leads to me often falling asleep around dark and
| waking up about 2.5-3.5 hours later. Then I'm up for a few hours,
| and asleep again a little bit before the sun comes up for a few
| more hours.
|
| Now when I'm not able to just sleep and wake up completely
| naturally it always sucks following a more normal schedule of
| going to bed around midnight waking up around 7.
|
| So I try to prioritize the biphasic sleep with the idea that the
| stages are variable. As in sometimes I sleep through all 3
| stages, sometimes I stay up after the first time I wake up, or
| sometimes I don't initially fall asleep until the last stage.
|
| I find that my days don't fit a 24 hours schedule either, but I
| don't feel like they fit the same set amount of hours each day at
| all.My motivational and energy levels are just different
| depending on the day and have a wake / rest cycle that can fit
| with that is beneficial.
| Starlevel004 wrote:
| As someone with non-24 it's crazy to see somebody _wanting_ to do
| this. It 's like seeing somebody actively seek out a lobotomy.
| gadders wrote:
| Anyone else remember when Steve Pavlina trialled polyphasic (30
| minute nap every 4 hours) sleep for a year or two?
| https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/
|
| I just checked the dates and it was 20 years ago. Soooooo old....
| eqvinox wrote:
| This article would really benefit from stating how old (roughly)
| the author is... a good portion of people in my bubble report
| changes to sleep habits (and needs) in their early to mid 30ies.
| JohnMakin wrote:
| What wasn't entirely clear to me was the why - I'm by no means
| against alternative sleep schedules, but this seems far more
| bother than it is worth. I've struggled with termination insomnia
| most of my life, waking up extremely early and not being able to
| go back to sleep - and in recent years have managed to make that
| work for my full schedule by basically sleeping ~4 hours, awake
| for 8, sleeping 4, awake 8, etc.
|
| So a typical schedule could look like:
|
| 10pm-2am - sleep
|
| 2am-10am - awake
|
| 10am-2pm - sleep
|
| 2pm-10pm - awake
|
| I've experimented with this a lot - for whatever reason, I don't
| know why, this split schedule allows me to feel much more alert
| and attentive during my waking hours, and isn't as stressful as
| trying to sleep a full 7-8 per night which a lot of times feels
| impossible for me.
|
| Sometimes I'll do 5-6 hours sleep on 1 cycle instead of 4, so it
| can shift around, but otherwise stays pretty consistent.
| Technically I am getting just as many sleep cycles as a "normal"
| schedule (One part of this was a sleep study to figure out what
| my natural full rem cycle is, for me, it's about 2 hours long).
|
| I've been doing this for about 2 years and wouldn't do anything
| else, and it's really not difficult to fit it into a "normal"
| routine. My close friends have remarked that it makes it seem
| like I never sleep (due to being available at hours all around
| the clock), that's about all that anyone has remarked about it.
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