[HN Gopher] With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 stil...
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With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
Author : LorenDB
Score : 24 points
Date : 2025-01-02 19:57 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| orionblastar wrote:
| Of course, most Windows 10 PCs don't have the newer hardware to
| upgrade to Windows 11. They are stuck at 10 and when support runs
| out it will run out.
| precommunicator wrote:
| Doesn't seem to be the case anymore:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42369757
| seplox wrote:
| That article was incorrect when written and has since been
| retracted. The link now takes you to a rewrite that reaffirms
| Microsoft's commitment to TPM v2 and that reports Microsoft's
| current position that they reserve the right to break your
| computer if you install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.
| Our_Benefactors wrote:
| They walked back the official TPM requirement
| DanAtC wrote:
| IoT LTSC is supported until 2032
| booi wrote:
| I don't think you can run the IoT version for general purpose
| use.
|
| Also if you're using windows on an IoT device...
| bcraven wrote:
| https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-
| enterprise...
|
| Enterprise IoT is "binary equivalent" to Enterprise.
| eutropia wrote:
| > Note: Microsoft does not publish feature updates through
| Windows Update for devices running Windows IoT Enterprise
| LTSC.
|
| This sounds like a strict upgrade to consumer-grade
| windows...
|
| How does an enterprising user get a legal hold on one of
| those licenses?
| bcraven wrote:
| It is possible to change your Windows edition using open-
| source tools:
|
| https://massgrave.dev/change_windows_edition
| xeonmc wrote:
| Should link this article instead
| https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol
| thisrod wrote:
| _Also if you're using windows on an IoT device..._
|
| Microsoft is using IoT in a loose sense. The "thing" could be
| an industrial PC at the train station that plays a recorded
| message saying the 8:15 will run late today.
| SirMaster wrote:
| You mean 10 months of free support remaining.
|
| Pretty sure there is going to be an option to pay for additional
| support duration even for home users.
|
| And there is an edition of Windows 10 that is supported until
| 2032, so it's not like they aren't still doing security patches
| anyway.
|
| I would be willing to bet MS may even decide to extend the free
| support duration. But if they hold out on making that decision
| until the last minute, they can still persuade more users to
| switch to W11. So if they are going to extend the free support, I
| wouldn't expect to hear about that until much closer to October.
| Dig1t wrote:
| The fact that all my existing computers are incompatible with the
| new version of Windows and that I need to buy all new machines is
| the dumbest decision ever. I resent Microsoft's decision and do
| not plan on ever upgrading to 11 because of it.
| gjvc wrote:
| 64-bit Windows XP with the 2000 look and feel was the peak
| gorjusborg wrote:
| Anyone else here holding out?
|
| I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather
| Microsoft's vision of the future of computing.
|
| They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user
| doesn't know what they want, the company does.
|
| Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-
| local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out
| - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the machine
| - Requirement to upgrade hardware to install the OS - Ads
| in our face - A worse start menu - A worse taskbar
| - Dark patterns to get us to accept it all
|
| I just want to buy an operating system for my hardware, not have
| Microsoft claim said hardware as their property. I'm the
| landlord, not the OS developer.
|
| I'll be using Windows 10 until I can't any longer for things that
| require Windows. For everything else, Linux.
| skirmish wrote:
| I worked around several of those pain points: -
| A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or
| use it, with no opt-out
|
| With some effort, you can use local account:
| https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-11-without-mi...
| - Ads in our face - A worse start menu - A worse
| taskbar
|
| Fix Explorer with Explorer Patcher:
| https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher . It was unusable
| otherwise for me.
| y-c-o-m-b wrote:
| I've got one machine and a VM on Windows 11, but I use Windows 10
| on my primary gaming laptop and work laptop. People always ask me
| why I'm still on Windows 10. Obviously there's nothing I can do
| about the enterprise version installed on my work laptop, so
| let's just focus on the gaming one. It's got an i7-11800H, RTX
| 3080, 64GB of RAM, and a Samsung 990 PRO nvme drive. When I
| bought it, it came installed with Windows 11. Even with the
| proclaimed performance enhancements of Windows 11, this laptop
| seemed quite slow for the specs it was sporting. I decided to
| revert back to Windows 10 and all of a sudden we're _flying_. I
| 've tried on one other occasion to upgrade with Windows 11, but
| the performance just does not match up. I don't understand the
| problem, but it's the primary reason for keeping me on the
| platform. The other reasons for staying on Windows 10 are: no
| ads, less telemetry (although I disable this with Windows de-
| bloater and O&O shut-up anyway), and more intuitive interface. I
| hate having to customize the shit out of Windows 11 to get the
| experience that was out of the box on Windows 10; things like
| start menu placement, context menu behavior, taskbar settings,
| notifications, etc.
|
| I wish I could switch over to Linux, I truly do, but it's still
| not ready. I recently tried out Linux Mint and immediately ran
| into an issue with my mouse wheel + back/forward buttons not
| working. Off to search for the solution and the level of effort
| to get it working right seemed in line with operations tasks I
| have to deal with at my FAANG job. I don't have the time, energy,
| nor patience for this bullshit just to get my mouse working
| properly. Imagine the hoops I'll have to jump through for all my
| games to work right. Also when I raise grievances like this with
| the Linux crowd, I either get the "try _this_ distro " (which has
| its own problems) or some snarky answer. So yeah, we're not there
| yet.
| chis wrote:
| What is going to happen with this? It's pretty unimaginable that
| Windows would drop support for 30% of PCs or whatever, exposing
| them all to viruses.
|
| It seems like everyone will be forced to switch to Linux or
| something. Obviously I'm not going to upgrade my perfectly good
| CPU to make windows happy.
| joshmarinacci wrote:
| How would everyone be forced to switch to another OS? These
| machines won't suddenly refuse to boot.
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